cant blame him. i mean, this looks like a proper wolfenstein rifle. makes me wish the german army did adopt it, just so it had a cool weapon to add to the bunch.
@raharuko low IQ comment from someone who doesn't understand that military relics from once powerful militaries are very sought after collectibles. Cry all you want but germany in ww2 was an extremely powerful foe and because of it that makes anything from them extremely sought after on the collectors market
this is a perfect demo of why certain weapons don't get adopted by their militaries, just going off the basic disassembly it would be near impossible to fix and or service this in the field.
Yeah, I do try to understand how much infighting that if it did not happen would have made the horrible war last even longer. How many lives would have been different.
I'm seven years late lol xD But you do realize this is just a prototype? had this been adopted, it would have been simplified to ease disassembly. That's something totally normal for a prototype
My grandparents were directly affected by the Nazis and I think that even though the Nazis did horrific things, the flag and swastika should not be censored because it is part of history. We should not censor history thus I don't think people should be censoring the swastika. Just my opinion. If people want to be offended by parts of history, let them be offended because we should not hide or deny history just because someone feels offended. The only reason we should ever censor something is if it is advocating violence or hate towards others and this video does not advocate either of those so I think the flag should be able to be displayed on the thumbnail of this video. “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” -Winston Churchill Great video none the less. I really enjoy these videos
The "quote", from a 1948 speech, attributed to Churchill, was a paraphrase of “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” (George Santayana-1905).
here in Denmark the Jewish community got one of the biggest retail platform to ban Nazi things by telling how arfull they had and everyone who collect German ww2 is nazis..
Completely fascinating; and the piece itself; completely crazy. The egg-shell "stock" is jaw dropping mad. What an amazing channel; there's always another design effort you never would have thought of.
I wonder if the reason for the hollow sheet metal stock wonkiness has something to do with trying to meet some requirement for the Fallschirmjäger - maybe weight and the ability to take it apart "easily" for stowage.
@Kerosin Fuchs This is a dangerous move,aimed at suppressing certain facts which are considered inappropriate by a group of people who cannot tolerate reality. This is how historical records and documentation is altered,to suit present thinking,a very insidious form of censorship and control.
@@commodorjack8633 There seems to be a universal attempt to suppress information and details about Nazi atrocities during the thirties and the war,almost as if it is certain people's interest to hide everything. This is a defamation of history,leading to a future generation knowing nothing about it. Eventually,even the war itself will be altered,probably insinuating that it was all our fault from the start.
This gun looks like a gun that should've seen actual use. It looks better than the G43 and likely also functions better. I wish I could get my hands on one as easily, that's for sure.
Ian, I am always impressed at how you casually use the proper technical term for nearly every last component of the firearms you showcase. I can never use technical terminology fluently, even when I know the technology and the terms very well. If I was as awkward and clumsy with my tools as I am with their names, I would have broken my neck years ago. You on the other hand, are like the poet laureate of the history of weapons manufacturing. It's a great talent and makes your videos highly watchable.
That was one from the Cody museum I believe. Either a US carbine or SMG prototype. Can't remember exactly. A recent video anyway. It's at the very end of that video.
NS Germany was Valhalla on Earth, a grand transformation form the ashes of WW1 into a prosperous nation full of dignity, spirit and traditionalism. Aye, it would be weird when the only thing a person know's is a degenerate hedonist lifestyle.
Guns like this one (which I have virtually zero documentation on) I poke and prod until I figure it out. There are only so many ways to put a gun together, and I've done enough strange ones that I can usually figure things out.
very cool rifle, but I can see why it was dropped, it's an absolute nightmare for field stripping, it would just take far too long to reassemble in an emergency.
The bolt hold open reminds me of the SKS. It's just a little tab that's pushed up by the mag body. You can also push it up yourself with the mag out because it's not spring loaded, just gravity or the mag body holding it one way or the other.
While unusual, depending on the gauge of the steel, the wood over stamped stock could potentially be fairly light, strong, and comfortable, at least compared with the early '40s alternatives.
Probably. But with the wood clamping onto the tang like that, making it the only means of attachment, I have serious doubts such thin wood would be up to the rigors of the battlefield.
Ian, you have my respect, in that your extensive study and research gives you the intuitive sense of how complicated these firearms function. I know how meticulous German manufacturing was, and it makes me thankful in part to the same approval process that what could be considered "crude" in terms of presentation, still gave the allies a superior advantage in the ability to field effective weapons in greater numbers.
I know it's late on my post dont know if you're going to see this but anyway I'm not a expert just someone who really enjoys your videos. It looks like the hole in the back of the receiver is a cleaning rod access point instead of being a take-down detent. If It was ment to hinge open you would have to remove the front take-down pin to remove the op-rod/metal handguard which would defeat the point of it to hinge open. Awsome content i watch all your videos best channel in my opinion.
another great video! It seems like this mechanism is the product of a reactive design process. Just keep adding things to fix each issue as they come up. awful lot if parts.
The Sig 320 pistol uses a similar disconnect system. In that the trigger bar slips from the sear during the trigger pull. it does not have the extra disconnecter piece, as the amount of movement between the release of the striker and the disconnect of the trigger bar from the sear, is very small.
Ian, I remember in one of your videos, you were talking to Karl about your SKS that he had described as being very crudely made. If possible, I would like to see a video on it.
My first thought was it was a resource saving thing as a prototype, since you dont want to be using a lot of wood for what is basically a test for the action, but it being a weight saving measure does make more sense
Ian, do you see any issues with the rifle as it is and why it was not adopted ? I mean from construction point of view. Any weak parts ? The trigger group is a bit complicated as you mentioned, but the locking block looks like a decent idea to me ...
I would bet that the rear crosspin is temporary, because that rear, unfinished disassembly button is completely superfluous with it in place. If you imagine that the button is functional and the rear pin is not there it becomes a swing-open design (like an AR) with the front crosspin as the swivel.
You shouldn't have blurred out the swastika in the thumbnail. As a fellow history buff, I believe that history should be represented as accurately as possible so that future society can remember the mistakes that we and our ancestors made. Just my unrequested opinion. Update: Shit, I just saw your video addressing this. It restored and extended my faith in you as an honest consumer of history. Keep up the great work!
Howdy Zach! So to answer your question 2 years later... The reason. Is, a battle rifle is not as versatile as an assault rifle. With an assault rifle you can adapt it for CQB or medium long range, really a lot of goals can be accomplished. The battle rifle meant to be a precise rifle able to hold it's own in a fire fight and get long range picks but not necessarily a sniper, it isn't meant to assault or rush B as it were. It's mission might require laying down quickly and a big mag would mean you'd need a nip of when realistically you also don't want to add extra weight. 10 to 15 round mag capacity is generally great and the battle rifles with this amount tend to be the most effective for those reasons. There may be a few scenarios someone wishes they had a larger mag but in order to end up in that scenario they would have had to have made a big mistake
hi, nice vid. i wonder if you are aware of the roller-ball in the front of that type of pen you are using to point with, are mostly made from tungsten carbide. this stuff has a mohs-hardness of 9.5 and should be easily be able to scratch any kind of steel :D
Seems like they originally built this particular rifle without the wood guard and stock, but then covered those components with the wood, maybe for the sake of presentation.
No, it's a dufflecut in the metal stock. Naturally the full length metal stock is meant to handle a hard paratrooper landing (or just being dropped..). The wooden outer shells is needed if you use the weapon in extreme cold or warm conditions.
Ian, as the lockup between the bolt and the barrel doesn't occur until the op-rod is fully forward, what prevents the rifle from firing out of battery? Does the op-rod prevent the hammer from striking the firing pin unless it is full forward and therefore in battery? Thanks.
Was the inner metal part of the stock originally welded to the receiver? it seems like it wouldn't be structurally sufficient to handle the recoil of 8x57 if the only thing holding the stock on was the two wood sides of the stock.
Great video Ian! I definitely agree that this rifle was submitted for Luftwaffe trials, especially after seeing the extent of stamped construction. Must have been an attempt at weight saving measures to hollow out the buttstock like that. One would think with all the stamped metal in the buttstock it can't weigh much less than a solid wood stock? Seemed like they got hung up on weight reduction for paratroopers and ignored the rest of the criteria haha. Did you get a chance to weigh the rifle?
Man imagine how well Germany would have done if hitler didn't intervene as much as he did. Small arms development, Dunkirk, the invasion of the Soviet Union.
Hogging out all the wood to fit over the metal appears like it would make the stock a lot less durable than it seems before disassembly. I suppose that on a post-war weapon, that it would be done with injection-moulded plastic and be fairly strong.
It's a dufflecut. Originally there would be a full length metal stock underneath. It's supposed to be stronger than a solid wooden stock, with hard paratrooper landings in mind.
I wonder how much of the estimated price is due to that little eagle.. I want to think not any but one can't help but ponder. Cool to see something that isn't from one of the big firearms developers of Germany at the time!
This is a pretty creepy rifle. The hole in the back of the receiver surrounded by mangled hammer marks, and the tab inside that's supposed to slot into it, but it doesn't... it's just, bleh... Also, it's serial number 13. I wouldn't pay a dime for this cursed object.
I'm guessing that the wood furniture was made this way as a prototype and that plastic would replace it in production. Very interesting rifle but it looks more semi-auto shotgun with the twin transfer bars and dropping locking block than rifle.
Nazi Germany did not had 8mm caliber. 7,92x57mm and 7,92x33 Kurtz are not called so. But of course, as a gun specialist, you can call even 7,62x51 or 7,62x39 caliber as 8mm - mathematic rounding works perfectly here.
I will need to watch this again to get my head around it. It's certainly a bit odd to be honest. No chance you got an idea of total number made? If this is number thirteen, surely we;re well beyond basic prototype and into production testing and military trials?
Could this rifle have originally been made without wood on the stock? The shape of the metal piece inside makes that seem possible. Maybe someone was worried about a soldier's cheek getting frozen to a metal stock in cold weather.
If there is no disconnector and you hold the sear down in a hammer fired gun like that, instead of fire full auto i think the bolt and the hammer will just drop together and fail to fire the next round because the hammer drops too slowly.
there may not be much new to say on it as i've read about it on your site but i would like to see and hear about the MG-30/Solothurn S2-200, seem to me like it would have been a geart mg but got taken over by the MG-34 and belt fed mgs
Never seen that locking system before and I'm wondering how repeatable that lock up is. From what I know about what makes a rifle accurate it seems like that would be an effective system for repeat-ability, but I'm really having trouble telling.
Hey Ian is there anyway I can email you? I've got some questions on some firearms my grandfather will be passing down to me. I've only seen them once I believe they're a series of buffalo bill rifles. Absolutely beautiful never been shot outside the factory!
If this used a cut-down MG13 magazine, could it use the regular 25-round magazine like the Mauser Selbstlader and the G.41? If it could, was there any real advantage in having those magazines interchangeable? I mean, sure, it would be nice to fire twenty-five rounds before having to reload, but would that be any real advantage if these weapons went into production? I suppose the one advantage would be not having to change the tooling - you would just be able to use slightly modified MG13 magazine stamps.
I cannot help but feel that the metal inner in the rear of the stock was supposed to be one with the rest of the gun, even the zigzag pressed grooves line up. Why it was detached, or never joined I cannot tell.
Jäger means "hunter". The "ä" is pronounced like the "a" in "hand". The German Jäger, or jägare in Swedish simply means special troops. Paratroopers, scouts, mountain troops or the swedish marine commandos, Kustjägarna, our "navy seals".
I must ask Ian, have you ever come across any examples of the Brocock air cartridge range? I saw one recently at the Pitt Rivers museum in Oxford that I must've missed on my dozens of previous visits. The UK Anti-Social Behavior Act 2003 prevented them from being transferred or sold in any manner which promptly killed the market though there are a few thousand in the hands of those who owned them on their centerfire certificates.