Prototype vz.80: Improved Czech vz.50/70

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The vz.50 pistol was a compact .32 ACP (7.65mm Browning) double action pocket pistol used by police forces. It was given a face lift and redesigned the vz.70, and there were plans at one point to further modernize it. The new design would have been the vz.80, but only a few prototypes were made - one of which we are looking at today from the CZ reference library. The would-be vz.80 has a barrel about 1cm shorter than the vz.50/70, and a revised mechanism for removing the slide. And other than a few cosmetic changes to parts like the safety, that's it...
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@ZP1993 6 месяцев назад

My dad had a VZ70 in the past,he even carried it as a sidearm when he fought in the Croatian war for independence. He had that gun until around 20 years ago (as far as I know),and unfortunately he sold it later. It's a pretty cool gun.

@vaclavkrpec2879 5 месяцев назад

CZ 50 and 70 are still very commonly sold 2nd hand (or 10th+ hand? ;-)) in Czechia and super-cheap. You can get one in a very nice state for ~$200 but if you don't mind a bit of wear, they are available for ~$80.

@_ArsNova 3 месяца назад

I own a Vz 70, and it's hard to overstate how much I'd love one of these.

@AllAboutSurvival 6 месяцев назад

The improvements in barrel length and slide mechanism demonstrate a commitment to enhancing functionality and ergonomics. It's a shame this model didn't see mass production, but it's a testament to CZ's dedication to innovation.

@oldesertguy9616 6 месяцев назад

Obscure little one-offs are always interesting and seem to fit this channel so well.

@weswolever7477 6 месяцев назад

That’s always been a big part of my appreciation of firearms

@romgl4513 6 месяцев назад

"And the fact that you've got "Replica" written down the side of your guns, and the fact that I've got "VZOR 50 CAL, MADE IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA" written on the side of mine..."

@ShootAUT 6 месяцев назад

THIS! 🤣 The "50 Cal." on my Vz. 50 is one of my favorite details of my collection. 😁

@RiderOftheNorth1968 6 месяцев назад

The slidestop on the prototype is a Walther copy. I find it strange that both of them have a more complex, and expensive, takedown catch.

@michaelrains64295 6 месяцев назад

The 82/83 changed that.

@BenDover-qj5mt 6 месяцев назад

I have owned a CZ 70 and it was a great shooter, but the ergos kinda sucked. The .32 acp feels very smooth and pleasant in this size of all-metal pistol.

@CondavourTalksGuns 6 месяцев назад

That slide stop going from a stamped piece to milled is a great improvement. Of the vz50 and 70s I've had, I've replaced at least a couple of those levers or had to rebend them to actually engage.

@sakamoto2467 6 месяцев назад

Well its a prototype, theyre making one off pieces for development. Stamping would require an investment in setting up the jig, easier to just cut a single piece of metal to test. I dont know how the final production piece was made though.

@butchs.4239 6 месяцев назад

I figure it was a milled part on the prototype and likely would've been stamped had the weapon gone into production. Milling however many were needed during prototyping would be way cheaper than making the dies needed to stamp the same parts and without a production contract they'd never recoup the investment in the tooling.

@CondavourTalksGuns 6 месяцев назад

@@butchs.4239 that's a fair point.

@crushingexistentialism 6 месяцев назад

Fireplace guy is drooling over this one

@MrJaismith 6 месяцев назад

The updated takedown lever arrangement on the vz80 looks to have been lifted from the Sauer 38/38H. Cool.

@Apfsds120 6 месяцев назад

3250 seems like caliber .32 vz. 50

@markfergerson2145 6 месяцев назад

Agreed, or 32 cal, unit 50 assuming at least 50 were assembled in anticipation of government testing. That would explain the 50 on the other side.

@JohnDoe-fu6zt 6 месяцев назад

Czechs would not call it a .32 caliber. It's a 7.65 mm.

@a3vus 6 месяцев назад

Anything but metric @@JohnDoe-fu6zt

@JohnDoe-fu6zt 6 месяцев назад

@@a3vus That's right. We must maintain civilized standards.

@ktinga1 6 месяцев назад

Or unit 32 vz 50

@herknorth8691 6 месяцев назад

I always think it's funny when, for example, Ian is at CZ's archive and CZ doesn't know something about one of their own guns. Ian: "Hey, guys, what's with this serial number? There's no way you made three thousand of these things, right?" CZ: "Umm, you're the Forgotten Weapons guy; we were hoping you could tell us that!"

@mrkeogh 6 месяцев назад

Hope you got to visit the collection at the Army Museum Zizkov in Prague, Ian. They have some fantastic displays of various prototype rifles dating from before WW2. The examples I saw were in absolutely stunning condition 😗👌🏻

@1971irvin 6 месяцев назад

I was there last autumn, very nice army museum... 😁👍

@Jont12gte 6 месяцев назад

I was wondering if you have thought about doing a video on the CZ 2075 RAMI? I believe its the product of the failed partnership between Colt and CZ in making a collaboration design.

@joebrown8873 6 месяцев назад

That was the ColtZ40 and he has already done a video on it.

@Locutus494 6 месяцев назад

Huh?! That's not the 2075... the 2075 is a sub compact CZ 75. And the 2075 came well after the CZ/Colt partnership.

@vhjmvn 6 месяцев назад

I noted a difference in the "32" and "50" stamp and thus, I suspect each denotes just one thing. I'd propose that "32" is the caliber in inches and that "50" marks the model for which this was intended as an improvement, or just the magazine to be used during testing.

@Gieszkanne 10 дней назад

They dont use inches! Also it was done after the VZ 70 came out. So its an improvement of the 70 not 50.

@tomkavulic7178 6 месяцев назад

I bet the magazine hold open part is only milled on the prototype, I think they would have developed a stamping die for the new design had it gone into serial production.

@deforesttappan6478 5 месяцев назад

This is one of the reasons why I subscribed!!! I learned what could have been!!!

@chriswilliams1944 6 месяцев назад

I’d have thought prototypes would normally have milled parts: cheaper than making the dies for stamping until you finalize the design?

@user-kr7yh8vw9m 6 месяцев назад

That was a very interesting video as always Ian. This compact firearm aside from being another example of Czechnology it also lives up to the name of the channel.

@lairdcummings9092 6 месяцев назад

Not normally a fan of smaller calibers, but this looks like it would have been a sweet little pocket pistol.

@KlaustheViking 6 месяцев назад

Slav Bond gun, is what I see.

@woutergijs5246 6 месяцев назад

Bond, James Bond? No, Bunt, Janec Bunt

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

🤨🤨🤨

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

@@woutergijs5246 😄😄😄

@js312raf 6 месяцев назад

@@woutergijs5246Sounds Polish..

@woutergijs5246 6 месяцев назад

@@js312rafyeah yeah ok.

@Lukelikesmissiles 6 месяцев назад

Nice little gun, sadly forgotten, put away and never thought of again. Until Ian shines the RU-vid light on the little pistol, and it has its place amongst the other forgotten weapons.

@temper.temper 6 месяцев назад

Even after Then the gun will still be forgotten as it wasn't anything special

@Lukelikesmissiles 6 месяцев назад

@@temper.temper nothing is special. People, places, moments in time - none of them are special. They are unique. Poignant. Remarkable. But nothing is special.

@donnyfrantic9180 6 месяцев назад

Suggest that serial no is number 32 of a vz50 ? But that's a wild shot in the dark.

@SwampyMusic 6 месяцев назад

32 cal vz50? maybe...

@ralphjacobson8815 6 месяцев назад

The engineer probably got his hands on a P-83 Wanad and said "That's a great takedown block!"

@vaclavkrpec2879 5 месяцев назад

Astra Constable (Spanish Walther-inspired piece) has a very similar takedown block and predates them both...

@malkomalkavian 6 месяцев назад

Living the dream there, Ian

@thegiantisopod6299 6 месяцев назад

Looks like a fun little pistol to shoot. Also you would easily conceal it or as a back up gun.

@JunkyardBashSteve 6 месяцев назад

I feel like that disassembly catch locking into place carried over to or inspired the Cz82 because, although it's like a Makarov where the trigger guard pulls down, the 82 locks into place instead of springing back like the Mak does

@1boortzfan 6 месяцев назад

While you're there you should look at some of their rimfire rifles, they are awesome. I have a .22 mag that i could live the rest of my days with.

@wilhelm4861 6 месяцев назад

cool video as always. czech guns are always interesting

@TMFShooting 6 месяцев назад

Great Video Ian 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

@g54b95 6 месяцев назад

The takedown mechanism smacks of P-83 Wanad. I'm bummed they didn't produce this.

@PosranaRegistrace 6 месяцев назад

We have Vz.82 and 83, which are probably much more evolved designs based on this. Real joy to shoot, despite they look a bit odd.

@michaelmichael8406 6 месяцев назад

It looks a lot like the Polish P64, too. Cousins, at least, in a big family.

@methodeetrigueur1164 6 месяцев назад

This prototype combines Sauer 38H takedown block and Walther PP/PPK slide stop.

@user-re1ro5ty4s 6 месяцев назад

Please find that Prototype Uzi Pro P-200001 quicker. The game devs need more pics of that weapon to make it for their games.

@gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew1730 6 месяцев назад

ok that disassembly is slick but that grip looks a bit small in the hand to be comfortable

@estright9293 6 месяцев назад

50/70 is my favorite of the cz lineup

@woutergijs5246 6 месяцев назад

Do we see behind Ian the most prolific .22lr in the world ?

@danb4829 2 месяца назад

I imagine the locking block could also be influenced by aesthetics, way prettier.

@DerekIcelord 6 месяцев назад

The slide stop on the prototype might have been milled because it was a one-off/limited production affair, and the idea may have been to move to stamping if it entered full production.

@carloparisi9945 6 месяцев назад

Hi Jan, a pity it didn't go in production. I hope you will show us some variations of the CZ .38 revolver as well!

@ShootAUT 6 месяцев назад

Changing significant parts of the production setup for some insignificant changes on the pistol would've been very expensive and absolutely pointless. But YES to the revolvers. Especially the ZKR 551!

@andrewholdaway813 6 месяцев назад

3250 stamped on the gun. Big label with with 32 - 050 on it. Fitted with VZ50 slide and it's 32cal. Hmm

@MissingName21 6 месяцев назад

Slide comes off just like my Sauer 38h. My retention screw is a bit worn so it walks out during shooting. Then the slide jams when the locking block loosens and falls down a bit

@sappypngn 6 месяцев назад

I love Czech guns 🤙

@ruud1955rdg 6 месяцев назад

3250 stands for Cal 32 model 50 or Cal 32 number 50 if they made about 50-100 guns in this model

@robertkeller7699 6 месяцев назад

Exellent imediate response doesnt weigh you down

@JohnSmith-yv6eq 6 месяцев назад

#32 of 50 made?

@Coltbreath 6 месяцев назад

Awesome

@larrybruton6375 6 месяцев назад

Screams p64 to me

@russetwolf13 6 месяцев назад

Looks like a lot of thus gun went into the Vz.82.

@aidanfarnan4683 6 месяцев назад

could the serial no 32 50 be ".32 Vz 50" as some sort of shop/in house reminder of what the frame was intended for before they added the Vzor 50 7.65mm roll to the slide?

@supaorigamisensei 6 месяцев назад

Ooooo could you do the “jet li manoeuvre” with these guns? Seems easy enough lol

@PosranaRegistrace 6 месяцев назад

Good luck getting grip of that miniscule part :D

@pidgeotguy3400 6 месяцев назад

Can you do a video on the Hungarian PA-63 please?

@novacat3032 6 месяцев назад

wondering might it be that the slide lock of the prototype is milled because it's easier to do in a prototype machine shop but would have made to a stamped part in case of full production... the machine shop i used to learn it during high school would have had machines to produce that part milled but not stamped

@woutergijs5246 6 месяцев назад

In 32aco I guess ?

@nukewarrior7991 6 месяцев назад

Take down block "borrowed" from Sauer und Sohn 38H?

@erich623 6 месяцев назад

Could the 3250 be the fiftieth prototype, with the 32 specifying the calibre?

@Gieszkanne 10 дней назад

I see some slight changes but no improvement.

@mcqueenfanman 6 месяцев назад

Does it have a delivery like a brick through a plate-glass window?

@user-re1ro5ty4s 6 месяцев назад

Years have passed and you have yet to find the Prototype Uzi Pro P-200001? Please hurry up as the game devs need more pictures of it to reconstruct it for their games.

@roughseas3455 6 месяцев назад

Please do the Polish P-64 pistol

@aaronkroll9191 6 месяцев назад

Bren BR stateside, right meow!

@MichaelKingsfordGray 6 месяцев назад

3550 could be 35th of a run of 50?

@ShootAUT 6 месяцев назад

To be honest, I actually don't mind those pr0n bots with their overly zealous comments. Yes, they're spam. But at least they comment (all hail the algorythm) without advertising directly. So it's kind of a win-win? 🤷‍♂️