Proud Family: Can A Preference Be COLORIST? 🤔🤔🤔

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My deep dive to the Proud Family colorism episode on the angle of Noah having a preference for white girls like Zoey Howzer. Was this simply a preference or was colorism involved? How do yall see this in real life? Let me know your thoughts down below. Please don't forget to comment, like and subscribe. Thank You!!!
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@TonyTurner Месяц назад

You can like whoever you want, just don't degrade others in the process ‼

@yageshabazz3456 Месяц назад

🎯🎯🎯

@yusukeGum Месяц назад

It's a different thing having a preference then being colorist colorism it's a form of racism that people do not realize that that is the concept of racism colorism 16:36

@yusukeGum Месяц назад

If someone wants to date outside their race it's fine but don't act like when you date someone in another race that this person is better than the other person that is the same race as you 16:36

@yusukeGum Месяц назад

People refer to date inside their race is because it's more understandable people that are the same race as them it's more understandable for them and easier to date someone isn't the same race as you but it depends on the feeling if that person the outside their race 16:36

@jani4245 Месяц назад

Hey what's up tony been a huge supporter and watcher of your channel for years I love how you support and ride for your girl aaliyah and don't stray away from heavy topics that we over looked in our favorite black media such as the proud family which was one of my favorite Disney shows growing up. Could you possibly do a video on the similarities between the proud family and moesha there's a ton of similarities starting with Ralph Farquhar being a part of both Penny being the center character most similar to moesha in my opinion coming of age center character similar relationship to her dad like moesha and frank Even the dynamics of her and deijonnays friendship is similar to that of Moe's and Kim Deijonnays very much like the kim character down to the cheerleading being blonde much like like Kim was in the parkers, and chasing sticky the way Kim did to hakeem in earlier seasons of moesha also dijonney having tons of brothers and sisters is a reference to bebes kids but similar trait to neicy. In the episode Hip Hop Helicopter Both shar jackson (Neicy) & Lemont Bently (Hakeem) make guest appearances And I think penny dressing in the revealing outfit and getting scolded by her dad the first time after winning the trophy was similar to the scene where frank yelled at moesha for wearing a mid drift. I think penny's friends are very similar to moeshas friends people would say moe was a bad friend to them but I'm more mutual and and fell like they all had habits of not being the best to each other. Moesha would tell Kim and neicy something they would offenly tell the world moesha always gets the blame for making fun of Kim's weight but it was both moe and neicy who had participated and it was revealed later Kim talked about them as well. But I feel like penny's friends' disloyalty is a similar trait they shared with moeshas friends. I remember when moesha ran everyone out of the den and her friends began hanging out at the Bombay instead very similar to penny's friends not showing up to penny's house party in favor of lasianagas house party instead. Not to mention, trudy has a sister voiced by Sherly Lee Ralph, and Penny refers to her as aunt dee in the romeo and juliet episode The most obvious reference to Moesha is the episode horray for iesha which directly parodies moesha and speaks on the cancelation. I noticed in the reboot louder and prouder they had another moesha reference using moeshas diary music. I just thought this would be an interesting video topic.

@baresunflower2915 Месяц назад

There is a difference between colorism and preference. A preference is a matter of what you are attracted to, but colorism is when you only date someone because of their color and negate the beauty of other people who aren't that color. If a person can not give a definitive reason besides color as to why they don't or won't date someone, then that would be deemed problematic.

@Yadeeyadeeyadah Месяц назад

If I like a person because they have narrow facial features and curly hair and I have narrow facial features and curly hair how is that bad

@fortniteguy5993 15 дней назад

I like people who dont treat me like absolute garbage

@Yadeeyadeeyadah 15 дней назад

@@fortniteguy5993 I like ppl who do because I have a humiliation kink

@bitterflywing Месяц назад

I feel like with Noah, he's never the one to say "I don't like blah blah, I only like blah blah" Maya is the one who says it. Zoey confirms this to be true but she could only be saying it to make the girls feel better. Not to mention he brushes past the blond girl to get to Zoey. This made me think there would be a twist like surprise, he likes tall red heads (who can still be black)

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

The writers didn't even think that far 😶

@Joshth1983 Месяц назад

I have been thinking about this since this episode was drawn to my attention. If he just wanted a white girl, why'd he ignore more traditionally attractive white girls and zero in on Zoey?

@KnucklesxReala911 Месяц назад

@@Joshth1983tahts my issue with the episode, like lets be honest, zoey is made to be tahtvone awkward kid in the room, but she is by far from. The only white one, so either he has a very specific thing for white freckles glasses and redheads, even as such, he would pick her last of all Tbh this would have worked better if they all think is colorims but was just a big misunderstanding

@r.r.4563 Месяц назад

That’s why they missed with writing this episode as colorist, they could’ve easily had him outwardly say or imply derogatory things like “I’d rather be with a nerdy loser than with one of YOU people” or something crazy along those lines and that is when preference becomes outright racism. It’s not about attraction anymore, it’s purely avoidance of people out of hatred. And it insults Zoey too, implying she’s his last resort. But he never shows signs of that, he just happens to like the nerdy white girl and genuinely wants to be with her. He didn’t just ignore black girls, he ignored OTHER white girls too. This is how having a preference happens in real life, it’s not so much skin color but rather features and specific character types people are into and those tend to be more common among certain races, race affects proportions of the face, and culturally you’ll so more of a certain personality. The dude could’ve just been into tall nerdy girls with Zoey’s face. Or he likes red heads bruh lol. That’s completely fine since he’s just following his attraction which he can’t control and not actively avoiding. A better way to write this episode would be if they had representation of a nerdy black girl character similar to Zoey and have him specifically treat her differently even tho she’s the exact same as Zoey besides skin. But if the writers feel it’s easier to write angry black girls than ones with Zoey’s personality, which again, I’m disappointed in the writers for having this mindset.

@dionneo6305 16 дней назад

@@TonyTurner you know something else I noticed is that Michael could not date him cuz he is straight.also penny and disanay(don’t know how to spell)have boyfriends so then they can be only 2 of them too date him.lasenika and zoey.also they didn’t even check if he was really racist

@NealaBeala Месяц назад

I think my main problem with this episode is (besides the rumor literally being complete hearsay) that the other girls weren't even exited for Zoe for even a second, they just immediately jumped to find a reason why someone liking her was a bad thing. Idk it makes me think she needs better friends. I know each girl in the group has toxic moments but Zoe seems like she's always putting up with way too much.

@alphacharm Месяц назад

I’m at the point where idc who anyone dates. I just hope you’re dating for “love” and not self hate.

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

Another great point ‼👀

@lynettebrown91 Месяц назад

Agreed

@abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192 Месяц назад

I feel the same way myself.

@Lili-ib2rh Месяц назад

That's an interesting point you make, especially since in your video before you said that Noah had the look that people generally look for (pale skin, curly hair and light eyes). Maybe Noah wants to date a girl who won't hold a paint sample against his face to see if he's pale enough, and since Zoe also didn't seem to care that he was famous, that might have attracted him. It's sad but logical in the context.

@battybuddy Месяц назад

This is, Noah doesn’t get one more speaking moment after asking Zoey out. Thats a HUGE part of the problem. We see the FRIENDS get on Zoey’s case making accusations and stuff, so we DONT have any actual arguments against him, which you already pointed out, for all WE KNOW Noah reason for the preference is BECAUSE they act them, jumping in his face and all.

@exikat Месяц назад

Of course imo a preference can be rooted in coulorism, racism, classism etc. But that doesn't go for everyone ever, a lot of the time a preference is informed by what you're used to, who you've been around, exposure to different cultures, etc. There is a difference between finding a lighter skin tone more attractive than a darker skin tone, and thinking a darker skin tone is ugly because it's not lighter. There is a difference between finding asian people more attractive than other races, and thinking Asian people are the only beautiful race There is a difference between finding blonde hair with green eyes more attractive than a brunette, and thinking people with brunette hair are just the most unattractive thing in the world You can say the same for weight, height, body type, etc. Any factor that determines appearance is subject to this. But the main thing that seperates discrimination from just a preference; If your preference is not available, would you willingly and happily go for any of the options that are? Will you love them as if they were your exact type? And if your preference does become available after the fact, would you remain loyal to your current SO even if they aren't your preference? Overall the episode really sent a bad message to everyone by not really defining colorism or making it clear whether Noah was Colorist or not aside from he ended up with a different white girl at the end while also villanizing Zoe who did literally nothing wrong.

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

Great points ‼

@venuslove-i1v Месяц назад

"There is a difference between finding a lighter skin tone more attractive than a darker skin tone, and thinking a darker skin tone is ugly because it's not lighter." There isn't much of a difference between the latter and the former. If a person thinks lighter skin tone is more attractive than darker, that means they think the darker skin tone is less attractive or "uglier" than lighter skin. Yeah, sure if a person is DESPERATE, I guess they'd feel like they have no choice but to date the non preference, but the results would still be the same as any other form of discrimination: most times the less preferred does not get treated as well and the moment the more preferred comes along you get tossed over like you are nothing. Let's face it. Some preferences are by definition racism/colorism/featurism. I just wish we would be honest about it.

@exikat Месяц назад

@@venuslove-i1v I'm so sorry that someone hurt you bad enough to have you thinking this way, but not everyone is as shallow or black and white on matters as whomever your ex is. Thinking something is more attractive doesn't mean it HAS to be ugly to you. I think butterflies are more beautiful but that doesn't mean I hate moths, I like them too. I prefer cats to dogs, but that doesn't mean I hate dogs. I prefer Mcdonalds fries over Wendy's fries, but that doesn't mean I won't inhale the Wendy's fries. Just because I think a tanned skin tone is really hot doesn't mean I think a either a lighter or darker skin tone is necessarily ugly, but the tanned one just attracts me the most. Think of it more like a favorite number. You don't hate other numbers, but you have a favorite, the others are neutral. That's how most preferences are for most (reasonable) people. You just have a favorite, but none of the others are bad. Then you have the weirdos who treat it like a little kid treats favorite colors. "My favorite color is green because pink is a bad color!!! I hate pink!!!" Those are the people who think the way you think all preferences work. "This is beautiful because this is ugly." I'm in a relationship with someone who is the exact opposite of my preferences, but I love him and I know he's the one for me. Personality matters far more than anything visual. I hope whoever you end up/ended up in a relationship with makes you happy and isn't as shallow as you think everyone seems to be and treats you with the respect you deserve, regardless of if you're their preference or not. I mean it.

@jairusjackson7799 Месяц назад

It depends, it's sort of a case by case basis. Sometimes people make assumptions about others based on their shade or complexion that immediately disqualifies them as a potential partner. However for some there is no deeper reason, and it's solely based on physical attraction. And bullying someone won't change what they're physically attracted to

@MsKatze Месяц назад

There's also another possible reason. So, not that this is the same, but I'm half German and was partially raised in Germany. Something happened to me when I was little, and that made me not want to ever be with a German man. There's also this black RU-vidr I follow, and her boyfriend is white, and she seems like she's mostly attracted to white guys. On rare occasions, she's talked about how her dad treated her mom and just the men in her family in general. So I think sometimes it can just be negative associations.

@Lili-ib2rh Месяц назад

Or even a positive association. It's not exactly the same situation, but my father is shorter than the average man, and for a long time that made him self-conscious. One day, he found himself sitting next to a girl at an event, and the two of them started talking and really connected. They get up to leave togerder and realize: she's much taller than average. The two stared at each other and she said it was okay if he changed his mind because she was a giraffe. My father said it was the first time he'd realized that tall women could be as self-conscious as short men. He told her no, he still wanted to go somewhere else with her. And he started dating a lot of tall girls simply because they didn't care if he was short, they just wanted to be able to wear high heels without their boyfriends making a big deal out of it. So yeah, he accidentally developed a taste for tall women. Yes, my mother is very tall and they're still happily married.

@MsKatze Месяц назад

@Lili-ib2rh Yeah, that's a good point! I think that both positive and negative associations probably play a part for a lot of people, even on a subconscious level.

@r.r.4563 Месяц назад

The sad reality is it happens to one’s own race as well. Self hatred of one’s own race is rlly common if you have negative associations to aspects of your culture that you feel screwed over your family members. Example both my sister who witnessed the olden Guyanese practices lead to many failed and unhappy marriages in Guyana, it’s a very conservative gender role built country and while you can still have a lot of good marriages in this setting, when adults marry based on what they were raised to believe they “should do”, they often end up feeling unfulfilled if it’s not acc what they wanted deep down. Harsh strict societies like this lead to many wives who didn’t acc WANT to be housewives and statistics of bad husbands make it even worse. So the result is my sister not wanting to marry a guy of her own race. That association is stuck in her mind.

@MsKatze Месяц назад

@r.r.4563 Yeah totally! Even if you know on an intellectual level that not everyone of that specific group is the same, you can't help but have the negative association. Although in this situation, there's probably a higher likelihood of having the same issues because of the societal gender expectations.

@pusheenqueen519 Месяц назад

My mom has always said "I'm not into black guys". When I asked her to elaborate she followed it up with that while she has thought plenty of black men are handsome, she's most attracted to white dudes who have that rough and tumble look, beards and lean, she has a type. I'm trying to get her to be more thoughtful and say things more along the lines of, "I'm attracted to this type of man", not speaking in a way that, granted unintentionally, sounds like she's saying a group of people are ugly. In her case it really is a preference but her phrasing sounds like it's coming from a place of prejudice. On the other end when I express interest in black men(and women) I've found attractive, people immediately make it like I have a fetish. In general I can't say I have a strict physical type and it's frustrating when my openess to dating people of other races/nationalities is immediately sexualized (usually by white people). God knows me being mixed has been exoticized to hell and back. Having a type is one thing but it's too often people try to hide their bigotry with the excuse of having a "preference".

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing that ‼ Yes I also believe it's about the way a statement is phrased and the context of why it was said

@pusheenqueen519 Месяц назад

@@TonyTurner It definitely taught me indirectly to be more mindful in my own phrasing. I do try not to jump to conclusions when people say things like "I don't date big girls" "I don't date Asian guys" etc etc but it is a red flag for me when people single out a specific group instead of being like "hey, I like this type of person". Ngl, usually my prompt to elaborate is followed by them saying the most f*cked up thing 😂

@someonerandome2000 Месяц назад

And then people laugh when a biracial person is uncomfortable or offended by people asking “which of your parents has the fetish, huh?” Just reducing their family and existence to a fetish as though two people from different backgrounds can’t have a genuine connection and relationship? Like wtf?

@KolkoCat Месяц назад

If you prefer a certain skin tone, but it’s not a dealbreaker for you, it’s a preference. If you met the perfect person but still wouldn’t date them solely because of their skin tone, that’s colorism.

@swanamaidenpsyche Месяц назад

So would you say that the episode would have been better if it focused on Penny and Dijonay being colourist to their boyfriends. Throwing them away for the lighter skinned Noah?

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

That sounds like a way better storyline to me ‼👌🏾

@CalliopePony Месяц назад

A preference absolutely CAN be based in racism or colorism. A big problem with this episode is it's never made clear whether that's actually what's happening. Penny and her friends assume the worst based on gossip, and that assumption is never challenged. Noah is never given a chance to express how he feels. He's never asked why he chose Zoey.

@Rendozu Месяц назад

I’m still trying to figure out why these girls were jumping in his face when they already had boyfriends 🤣 it’s screaming disloyal to me. If my memory serves me correctly, Zoey did not have a boyfriend. I’m not defending his preference for white girls, it just seems wrong for them to even look at him like that when they were already in relationships. Love your videos, btw.

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

Thank You ‼ They were so thirsty 💦

@swanamaidenpsyche Месяц назад

I feel like they could be sill "attracted" to him physically, but them trying to get him to ask them out...like why? You have boyfriend you supposedly like...like what? Then the girls with boyfriends get the maddest at Zoey? My long winded way of saying I agree with your opinion.

@ericasutton3147 Месяц назад

I’ve always thought white boys, Asian boys and Latin American boys attractive. Not because I’m against my own race, I still think that African American Boys are handsome. I’m just open minded about dating outside of my own race. Also, I grew up with having interracial couples and biracial cousins in my family. I thought that was normal growing up. So I don’t think it’s bad to have a preference. I don’t like the double standards when it comes to interracial couples. I know the topic is way more complicated than that, but still. I understand the point of this topic.

@jazzygryphon Месяц назад

Many colorists disguise their colorism as "having a preference", which I think leaves the term [preference] in sort of a gray area. Yes, people can like who they like, but is it for the right reasons? And since people tend to gravitate to negative beliefs on why others act the way they do (as well as all the popular, publicized examples that reaffirm negative beliefs)...yeah. I think systems like slavery also played a part in this across all cultures, too (like how white/light skin was--and still is for some--favored as well as societal rankings/social statuses inadvertently becoming attached to skin tone/race as a result [of slavery]). I hope you understand what I'm trying to say without getting too much into it lol. But bringing it back to the original discussion...yes, I do think it is possible to like certain types of people without also having to be self-hating, racist, colorist, etc.

@nueshb4797 Месяц назад

I couldn't care less about who people decide to date. When you begin to disparage, belittle and dehumanize people because they're not your personal preference, that's when you've reached featurist, colorist and racist territory. In my opinion, if someone is overtly colorist, they're likely engaging in these behaviors outside of their dating preferences. Like, they'll unknowingly malign a child or an elderly person with biases based in colorism.

@VannahSavage Месяц назад

Holy moly, I’ve never been this early. 😮

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

Hey ‼😏

@Shamazya Месяц назад

The thing I find really strange with the preferences conversation in general is that it's often not exactly a preference. To me a preference is something you'd like but it can be different from that. The total negation of attraction based on any one physical trait is really foreign to me. I can't think of a single physical trait that would automatically rule someone out as someone I could find attractive. I get that there can be traits someone is attracted to and those traits can cluster around certain ethnicities but that's often not what these conversations focus on. And if it were the traits that mattered I feel like you'd likely be aware that various groups have them even if it's less common.

@briennataylor6639 Месяц назад

I think that people born in the 90s and up dont have that idea about inter racial dating. I think younger people will have the idea that it is just a preference based on this episode and someone like my mom born in the 70s would see more of an issue. I think both statements could be true but the episode truly didnt give enough information on the character noah to make a decision. Great work and conversations! I want to work with you sooooo bad and have a discussion on an episode i have a good idea too!

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

Thank You ‼ Which episode?

@Frutebrute69 Месяц назад

Glad to have something fun to watch on my lunch break! (Also, off topic, but the shoulders on that shirt are very flattering)

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

Thank You ‼

@nameisamine Месяц назад

Everyone's entitled to their preferences, but people shouldn't be so naive to think that their preferences exist in a vacuum and weren't influenced by wider society, the media, and so on. If society gives social currency to people that look a certain way, those people go to the top of the desirability hierarchy and they become most people's 'preference'. In a perfect world people would make sure that their *preference* isn't based on *prejudice.* But a lot of people don't actually wanna do the work to analyse or unlearn discriminatory systems (racism colorism featurism, texturism etc.) so they dismiss the topic wholesale by saying _"it's just a preference."_ to shut down conversation because they're not interested in addressing the issue and, quite frankly, are irritated by anybody who is.

@minniizo_ Месяц назад

I don't wanna sound insensitive but I mean everyone discriminates when they date. Like I seen a lot of black guys with black girls as their preference too. And I don't think it matters that much cause at the end of the day I'm not gonna force someone to include me in their type. If they don't want me that's fine there are millions of other ppl whos preference might align with me.

@devinsauls9137 Месяц назад

I never really thought about it like that cause I don't focus on a preference like that, though I do like a man with a tan

@edwincardenas8531 Месяц назад

1. For me, even analysing doesn`t make at least for me Noah a bad boy or a colorist, if their idea was that, it would be at least good to see of what was Zoey and Noah realtionship (at least the wacky idea they had), literally the only evidence of him been colorist is the final scenes with him with the blonde girl. 2. For me (at least for em), Noah being a celebrity and all, maybe he already knew of Dijonay and Penny shenaningans in social media (specially Penny, making a good case for continuity actually), and really passed over them for that. 3. Personally, they lost a opportunuty with Noah, and at least for me he would be really good as a definitive boyfriend for Zoey, and maybe with a little understanding he could be amicable to her friends like Kareem is, instead she`s forced by the writers to be with Myron just because he`s the other nerd around. 4. I wonder for the 3rd season whta they will do, if they really gonna do a real colorism episode, or even giving a insight in Zoey`s life (at least in this reboot) and other of the friends of Penny

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

That would be a good redemption if they brought Noah back and fleshed out his character more

@edwincardenas8531 Месяц назад

@@TonyTurner 1. Yes but I doubt it, but it would be awesome that. 2. Also another thing, I expect at least the next season to be a little more longer, I don`t like the 10 episode per season format, I doesn`t help to flesh out all the possible ideas for the reboot

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

@@edwincardenas8531 Agree. I hope the reason it's taking so long is because they're making way more episodes for the season

@Rikrobat Месяц назад

I feel like some people don't understand that two things can be true at once. Yes, we all have preferences, but sometimes, those preferences can stem from something else. My preference for blue or green eyes is something I need to keep in check to make sure I'm not "preferencing" a genetic factor that is valued for its European origins. Am I overlooking someone as being just as beautiful because their eyes are brown or another dark colour? The easy answer is to just wandwave it away "as a preference" but when there is a pattern, it can mean there is something else going on too. It doesn't make anyone a bad person; it's just another moment to watch out for implicit bias. One example I think about is how the video game character Phoenix Wright has brown eyes in the original Japanese version but he has blue eyes in the cover art for the English version. Why is that? Because blue eyes would be more interesting/relateable to a wider North American/European audience? That sure seems to be the case. There is no reason to change the eye colour of the main character other than trying to make him "seem more American" in the localization of the game. Plenty of brown-eyed people live in North America, so the choice to give him blue eyes was deliberate. Obviously eye colour and skin colour are different and I'm not trying to conflate the two where colourism is concerned. But I do think it's important that we stop taking the easy route of "this is just a preference" and have that uncomfortable conversation of "what could the preference be based in"?

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

You hit some great points. Thanks for adding to this discussion ‼

@l.n.3372 Месяц назад

Gonna slight disagree with this here. You can date people with your preferred eye color w/o guilting yourself into feeling bad about it. Nor does dating people with blue eyes mean you cannot find brown eyes beautiful/handsome on people you find attractive too. some people prefer to date blondes, but does this mean they're racist cuz blondes are usually white? I don't think we need to assume the worst about ourselves. you know yourself, and if you know you aren't prejudiced, there is no need to worry. Re: the game tho, I am American with dark brown hair and dark brown eyes. I love AA series. But let's be honest here: that's so minor that it barely matters. Game localizations have done WAY more than this when localizing Japanese games to the West, including the AA series as well.

@Rikrobat Месяц назад

@@l.n.3372 - I don’t think it’s as simple as “I know I am not prejudiced, therefore I am not.” My argument isn’t that people with preferences are inherently racist; I’m saying it’s beneficial to think about where those preferences might stem from when discussing standards of beauty or “what makes someone more beautiful than another”? The reality is that there is more bias in our preferences than we’d like to admit. Again, it doesn’t make anyone a bad person, but it is a topic worth thinking on sometimes. If Phoenix’s eye colour is such a minor detail, then why did the localization go through the extra effort to change it? They could have just left it alone. However, because the location changed from Japan to Los Angeles, they changed Japanese Ryuichi Naruhodo into American Phoenix Wright. Still, why go through the extra effort to recolour his eyes? They could have left them brown and people could still assume him to be an American. I agree that there are more egregious changes, but it doesn’t make the eye colour change less suspicious. This is a fictional character, his design is decided upon by real people. Talking about the motive behind this “minor change” matters in the discussion of implicit bias.

@YourWaywardDestiny Месяц назад

We need to examine where our attraction comes from, we do need to do that. But limiting blue/green/grey eyes to a European thing kind of itches me the wrong way. Sure, one person in Europe was the origin of colored eyes, and we see this most often in Europe. The feature didn't _stay_ in Europe, though. Asia, North America, South America, the Middle East, and Africa also host this feature naturally. Not as commonly, but it still crops up without importing some white person to intermingle and assert anything anywhere. The genetics for it have been passed around since it first popped up. The idea of someone seeing a person from, like, Somalia or something and going "but are they beautiful, or is it Europe telling me their eye color makes them desirable" is giving me feelings of offness in the same way that someone going "only light skinned black people are attractive" does and I can't quite put my finger on what that is. IDK, maybe I'm on a false alarm here, but something in that concept raised a flag in my head.

@l.n.3372 Месяц назад

@@Rikrobat your entire argument makes the claim that all sexual/attractiveness preferences need to come from a racial bias/lens. if you make the claim that hair color, or eye color, is the lens, YOU are the one making assumptions here. basically you are implying that if people like eye colors associated with white people, then maybe they have a prejudiced bias. but I don't think that's the case at all. many white people have brown eyes, too. but see YOU are the one making the judgement here. you are making an assumption about a change that I can guarantee 99% of the AA player base did not even notice. but you did and you commented on it here. you say it's more American to have blue eyes?? since when? lol. also I hate to break it to you, but if hypothetically Phoenix was of Japanese descent in an immigrant family living in California, USA (which is what the localization seems to imply), he still would be American and still would be of Japanese descent. he wouldn't be white tho, he'd be of Asian descent.

@jordanthomas5222 Месяц назад

Ayyy Nice Video also Tony have you seen the reboot of Good times? If do can you do a review video of it(spoiler alert its really bad)

@weeping.angel27 Месяц назад

Idc who dates who. As long as self-love and true love and respect and boundaries are in a relationship between the two, that's all that matters.

@silvanalucas6403 Месяц назад

The girls were too thirsty and that might just scared him.he might just just like redheads more .for me if someone if someone looks good they looks good

@user-qe3gl1sc7j Месяц назад

Ok now he's continued doing this again the proud family reboot I'm afraid so yeah talking about black or white. Noah.👍🏽👍🏻🤔

@Honey_Boba159 19 дней назад

2:58 I have a preference for people who have a different style than I do. Main reason is because when I was younger in cartoons I’d see couples who were completely different aesthetics (Catra and adora, princess bubblegum and Marceline, Darwin and Carrie) and I thought it was a pretty cool relationship type, so that’s kinda how I got my preference for people who are opposite of me.

@Bryan_BeBe003 Месяц назад

personally, i don’t get how skin tone changes what you think of someone else?? your telling me something genetic that you can’t control is gonna determine your attraction towards someone?? but at the same time, the show could’ve shown the positives of wanting to date outside of your race rather than demonizing it and calling it “colorist”. personally, i see dating outside of your race as progressive but there is the issue of some races preferring lighter-toned individuals over darker-toned ones, which obviously isn’t right. ♡

@Bryan_BeBe003 Месяц назад

and for the record, i’m a light-skin latino man and i personally don’t see skin tone when it comes to dating, i love everyone as long you got that right personality. i love me black men, hispanic men, asian men, white men, any man that has a 🍆. ♡ but i remember i met this one latino man (he was older like in his 30s) and he was telling me how he despised black men and i was so in shock that i blocked him instantly. how disgusting do you have to be to say you hate a demographic of people 🤮🤮 ♡

@YourWaywardDestiny Месяц назад

Honestly, if a person was super into high cheekbones and large eyes, high cheek bones and large eyes on any race should be a good deal, no? It wouldn't make much sense to turn around and go "ah, but they're a certain skin tone of West Asian, so it's bad." That simply doesn't make any sense to me. The features are there.

@dwaynebrice1697 Месяц назад

it's why. Preference is okay until you say. I can't date black people because of x stereotype, they all act this way or I hate that skin. it's different than seeing a lady and thinking she's beautiful to you, maybe you are chasing what you think is gorgeous. but the way people make this colorism stuff sound is "No one wants to date black people outside of their race, get over it. date what you can you don't have the privilege, no one wants you to stop being mad and jealous its not the worlds problem." Maybe that is a fair response to have... if you do have that energy you need to have it for everyone not just one race, that's where I have the problem. edit: he looks mixed... what if his mom is white with glasses? what if he likes nerdy girls? what if the fct that she didn't jump him mde her worth it. what if he was toxic, picked zoe because she was a punching bag? not because she's white. "nerdy girl won't leave me because I don't think she sees her value or no one else wants her. why was race involved at all? this was lot of food for my thoughts. I picked white girls because they let me be me, I didn't have to be black or act like a Monolith. I wanted to date black girls but they put me down because I didn't fit the mold. to other women I was just an individual... until parents got involved or their racist friends.

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing some of your experiences ‼ I can understand how that affected your outlook on things

@venuslove-i1v Месяц назад

I do believe that preferences can be influenced by prejudices. We are taught to believe one thing is better than another. Preferences can change with time. But people should always be mindful of their biases and how that affects the way people are treated. This goes beyond relationships. A lot of people have been rejected from being hired just because they were not a "preference". That being said I don't think the episode was well written. There should have been more hints than just his interest in Zoey (because just being interested in a girl that has a different look is not enough to say colorism). He could have liked her for any reason (her glasses, she's tall, etc). We only find out later he's colorist, but the other girls ended up looking like jealous mad blk women (which we shouldn't be surprised because the writer made Dejonay). Its more so a mindset that the skin tone only matters that makes it colorist, but the writer gave no hints otherwise.

@Darkstalker1012 Месяц назад

Exactly, they writers could’ve had Noah say something colorist to prove he was colorist. And another thing too, that these colorists NEED to understand is that you can have a preference, but don’t put down those of your own race. It’s not hard, and it makes them look dumb asl saying disparaging things about those same people who look just like them

@Kilvieo 26 дней назад

I think preferences are fine, as long as it's not your overall factor when it comes to dating. I do admit that I am more attracted to guys with lighter skin, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm quite fond of redheads. But it's not like I'm only attracted to guys in that category. Basically, while preferences in terms of looks can be harmless, it becomes a problem if that's the main focus.

@nwrxj9264 Месяц назад

Like all things, it all depends on how you word/view it, I think. If you have preferences on the kinds of people you wanna date yet wouldn't be against dating someout outside those preferences, that's more than okay (and shows you're open to dating different people and such.) However, if you disregard potential partners due to the color of their skin (or anyone for that matter) then yeah, that's colorist.

@KendallClark-te9pf Месяц назад

I figure as long as you’re nice and respectful about it, there’s nothing wrong about preferring white girls. Noah didn’t really give off disrespectful energy to me from what we saw so it didn’t bother me. Also if someone was specifically attracted to black, Asian, Latino, any of that, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But again dealing with the White Guilt that there was a video about, it is a huge deal in this show.

@GraveyardMaiden Месяц назад

Honestly yeah some preferences can be rooted from racism/colorism with what standards society pushes as beautiful or what kind of pheonotypes are fetishized by media. That said not all preferences are rooted in malice due to the fact some people are just naturally attracted to features that are familiar or foreign to them. Now overall I do have to say their is a large issue of people excusing their own bigotry as preference as well as reinforcing colorist/racist beauty standards/ ideals.

@WeebGuru6 Месяц назад

I find it funny they got mad at Noah for his preference but not Michael if I use the same logic

@katrinaquezada42 Месяц назад

. My father was Mexican my mother was white. His family was really hesitant about him dating/marrying a white woman and my mother’s family was concerned about her dating/marrying a non white person. And I am very certain it was colorism on my father’s side that chose his wife. He was very proud of the fact that his daughters were all white passing and told us frequently growing up that he wasn’t going to let us date non white boys. My sisters married white men and like to deny their mexican heritage. I married a white guy too but we don’t hide my culture from his family or in our house. My mother and sisters were so upset when I announced I was giving my children “Mexican” first names instead of white ones.

@l.n.3372 Месяц назад

This episode seems almost unredeemable but it would have been slightly better if they didn't gang up on Zoey and blame her for being white. Like WTF. She did not even know the guy might have been prejudiced (if he even was, lol). Yet they jumped down her throat w/o even explaining to her about WHY they were angry/upset! If they simply sat Zoey down and politely said: "we think that dude is racist," then Zoey would have understood their feelings. But no. They said Zoey was so ugly that the ONLY reason a boy would date her is if he's racist/only dates white girls :/

@Tacom4ster Месяц назад

Honestly I have an Orientalist Kink for slightly darker skin than myself by rewatching the Slave Jasmine scenes of Aladdin when I was a kid on VHS and I didn't know why. I think that really effected me

@Kilvieo 26 дней назад

I understand the issue now. If you're attracted to someone's futures but are thrown off by their race or skin tone, that's where the problem lays. Personally, I've never been thrown off by someone's skin tone; if I see a cute boy, I'll want to get to know him.

@britneybij3997 Месяц назад

If a person is colorist/racist or any other kind of -ist wouldn't it be dependent on how they treat others outside of their relationship? If they have a pattern of the people that they date, but that pattern isn't consistent with the people that they treat kindly, the people that they surround themselves with, the people they acknowledge, and topics they are sensible in, then it is just a preference or a coincidence.

@davidperkins7782 Месяц назад

The fact that this boy goes to a new school, asks a girl out, and is immediately called sexist is actually very scary to me as a white guy. This sort of behavior discredits people who have actually been a victim of racist. Also, here's an example of a preference vs prejudice. Believe it or not, when it comes to black women, or women of color in general, I like darker skin women. Melanin just feels nice to the touch. Having lighter skin isn't out of the question, but it isn't what I like. That's a preference. However I've met women of color who have openly said terrible things about white people. That's a prejudice.

@davidperkins7782 Месяц назад

As a kid, I actually liked Dijoney. I thought she was funny and cute. Today, she's just terrible and annoying.

@bunnyrabi Месяц назад

Lots of people already said it but my stance is this. There is nothing sexual about color. Lets be real about that. A color is just a color. Its all about how we percieve someone's overall beauty. At the end of the day if you deny the overall beauty of someone simply due to a color. Then it is a problem. Now, its not MY problem, its just your own. However, nonetheless its still a problem that you have to deal with. Honestly i cant imagine not going for someone due to their skin ,hair, or eye colors. Like there are so many GOOD LOOKING AND SEXY individuals with any of the color combination. Im glad that im not stupid enough to limit my options by thinking someone color plays such an important role in someones overall beauty. Now im talking about natural human colors, not the weird dyes people do, sometimes those can lower or raise your attractiveness, but often, in my opinion, lowers it..

@VileStinkySwine 29 дней назад

As a pale white person many people make fun of me for being “too pale” it’s not like I can darken my skin smh

@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Месяц назад

I think if Noah had been an asshole in his preference for white women, degraded Penny and the others, and went on full “I don’t date black and brown girls because you guys are gross” then I think painting Noah as said asshole would have made perfect sense. But the reality is that Noah doesn’t do anything like that over the course of the episode. He doesn’t insult anyone or degrade them. He just asks Zoey out and we never get to see his reaction to Zoey confronting him about what the girls were saying. The writing for this episode is just so stupid.

@Liquid_Plastic Месяц назад

woah there

@AnimaMandala Месяц назад

I remember one of my old coworkers, we sometimes talked about random stupid stuff, but in an intellectual manner. They're black, and while on the topic of attraction they just casually mentioned that they like white boys. I thought nothing of it at the time, and really still don't because they didn't imply any dislike or distain for other races. It just came off as that's what they happen to be attracted to. As far as the episode, it's important to remember that Zoey is not the only white girl in their school, yet Noah zeroed in on her specifically. Apply that to the real world, and it would mean that there is still something else about her that he finds alluring. But we don't get to know for sure because the writers only seemed interested in opening the discussion of colorism, and not showing a healthy responsible way to approach it. Zoey was in a position where she's a white girl who doesn't understand this issue, she's never had to be made aware. But then her "friends" don't make any effort to educate her, like she's supposed to just know better. They do admit that she did nothing wrong in the end, yet only after SHE apologizes first. And the fact remains that Zoey is the only one who is punished or suffers in any way, while the ones who actually mishandle everything get off easy.

@Brayden4987 Месяц назад

Can you do the original proud family I Have A Dream episode it’s Season 1 episode 15

@CalliopePony Месяц назад

There's a really nice children's book called "Sulwe" which was written by Lupita Nyong'o (who is herself a stunningly beautiful dark-skinned woman) which addresses colorism far more gracefully than this episode does. It's about a little girl who wishes her skin were lighter, but she learns to see how beautiful her dark skin is.

@Thebeezzkneezz. Месяц назад

Would it be colorist if he only like dark skinned girls? Or does it only go one way? Genuine question ♡

@yusukeGum Месяц назад

Me personally I haven't been a victim of colorism because probably because I am not dark enough because my skin is brown but I can understand the concept of colorism 16:36

@dreamcatcher5917 Месяц назад

ngl. It kinda sound like you were just circling around the argument. I mean there can be instances where a person’s preference is influenced by racism or colorism. But I think it’s just mostly influenced on your environment, who you often associate with, or at least who you have the most interaction with. Mixed with experience with each ethnicity.

@NoircatMask Месяц назад

that is suchhhhh a good question for people to ask themselves. do some soul searching

@WoodyDinosaur21 Месяц назад

I think its okay to have a preference based on race. Personally, I am a phenotypically mixed race West African and Arab guy with brown skin, 3C hair, and a non flared hooked nose. I want my children to live a good life, so I do not date people who do not look similar to me.

@strange0130 Месяц назад

"I want a mayo queen" is wild-

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

WILD‼😬

@yusukeGum Месяц назад

It's easier to say that is just a preference that is his preference because he likes white girls but it's easy to say that they should never call this episode colorism they should just call it preference dating preference 16:36 There must be a reason why they did not want to go to all the details about colorism there has to be some obvious reason probably is because they did not want to make it political well it was political but in the parody way like a joke well since they reboot the proud family louder and louder it was like a joke like a parody 16:36

@victopiatheunicorn1276 Месяц назад

There is no problem with dating someone of the same of different race/skin tone. I think it might only be a problem if someone is fetishising those people, like how Asian and more specifically Japanese woman are fetishised as being seen as submissive and such

@hunibuni Месяц назад

Preferences without chemical or social interference are normally based on survival of the fittest. Racism or "white" supremacy are forms of social engineering which artificially make paleness seem most fit which results in less discerning people developing preferences for paleness.

@lizbizwiz1238 Месяц назад

I think it could’ve worked as an episode of the girls went more after Noah than Zoey. It still may have been messy, but like, it could’ve worked if they had him show up for more than two scenes. Like, instead of the B plot with Suga Mama, have the girls follow Zoey and Noah around. Maybe show Noah treated his white female fans better than his female fans of color and things like that. The message would’ve come across a lot better I think. Not perfect, but better

@chamiquemcintosh4350 Месяц назад

Tony can you please do a mj biopic news video 🎉

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

When we finally get a trailer 🔥👌🏾

@yusukeGum Месяц назад

Well I have a lot of decisions what would I do I could date inside my race it could be more easier and understandable but I don't mind dating outside my race is not because just because I date someone that is not the same race as me is because I like the person not because of the skin color because of their personality 16:36

@Voraii Месяц назад

I think the worse thing is that we don't know Noah in this. We only hear from outside sources. It sounds like rumors, maybe he's like this because other girls were up on him. If it was just white girls, he could have dated that one white girl from the beginning- but he went to Zoey. Zoey stood out to him, because she wasn't fawning. He could still be a dick and maybe wanted a challenge. But They shoehorn the talk from Zoey saying he was dating her for being white... but is that how he said it or how she felt he said it after her friends treated her poorly? They never showed it other than someone so beautiful cant possibly love a geeky nerd.. when many do because that geeky nerd is themselves. Definitely the mix messaging between what they show and what they tell. And its hard to believe everything someone TELLS you. They didn't really show it enough. Didn't make him a butt to the other girls, all he did is reject them for Zoey. Honestly all this episode makes me want to do is know Noah more. But I absolutely agree it can be both, I just wish the episode displayed their message better because this will be more harmful than good. Regardless of what someone does, you shouldn't let rejection harm you and your relationships.

@abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192 Месяц назад

Preference in dating can certainly be in color and race, that's not BS, that's a fact.

@rocketterrier Месяц назад

I'm not a person of color, so I can't speak on colorism, but I am trans and have been witness to preference vs. transphobia conversations before. To me, it really depends. I haven't had any surgeries yet; if I met a gay guy who didn't know that and was into me until the moment he found out I am pre-op, I would definitely call that transphobic. He was attracted to me until he realized I was pre-op, which tells me he would only be able to focus on my genitals and chest rather than the rest of what he liked before. I don't know if that makes sense and it definitely isn't the same as being a black person or experiencing colorism, but I hope it does at least a little bit 😅

@jenaestewart5299 Месяц назад

Most of these date these preferences women industry

@haleythornton97 Месяц назад

My best friend is “black” (i feel weird saying black instead of African American) and only dates white guys.. that doesn’t bother me, the part that bothers me is that she goes for the skinnier male version of me.. its a bit awkward 😅 me personally i like Asians but have never dated one (mostly because there’s not a lot of Asians where I live) why do i like them? I like their facial features and skin tones

@you2angel1 Месяц назад

Good point some people do have superficial preferences based on superficial ideals. °~•.☆.•~° We all have to do some soul-searching when it comes to finding out who we really are. Many of my lesbian friends & bisexual friends try to push me towards experimenting with my own gender. I said "no" I really looked it to myself & like, that is not for me. I do not want to give myself trauma by indulging in THEIR curiosity or fantasies. I'm not being anti-gay or transgender I'm being true to myself & I do not want to lick some girl's p****. Ice sticky sticky no licky licky & there's nothing wrong with that. It'd be ignorant of me not to think about it and I did and it's not for. I still get a lot of push back with some respect but still push back. Some people just can't understand that somebody might think differently and want different things than them that's because they are self-centered. °~•.☆.•~°

@YourWaywardDestiny Месяц назад

Preferences usually don't exclude _entire_ racial options from the dating pool is the thing. If you're really attracted to button noses, it's probably going to look like you're only into people of lighter skin tones on the outside. BUT! That nose type didn't come from Devine intervention! God didn't pop this feature on the table when planning humanity and say: "only this group can have this feature." No, it's going to come up here and there in other groups of people for a variety of reasons, and guess what? Those people with that feature _should_ be beautiful to someone with that preference. You have to dig a little deeper to find out if it's pure preference, preference influenced by prejudices, or just prejudice. That makes it just a dicey thing to try to call out, and to be accused of; it's so hard to say at the end of it if we're accusing the right people of this and not out here putting someone on blast for something completely innocent. This would have to be a whole character arc across the entire season to get to the root of, and that's a part of how wild it is that they only gave it a surface-level glance at the time.

@ambidreaming Месяц назад

Yeah like my mom thought my preference was internal racism, when I would never say I wouldn't date a black guy, I like to date submissive, sensitive guys who will let a woman lead and have long hair XD which I'm not saying black men can't be that... but I've yet to meet that man

@WeebGuru6 Месяц назад

It can be but 9 times outta 10 they guy doesn’t wanna deal with the bad habit black women have

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

What do you mean by that? 🤔

@WeebGuru6 Месяц назад

@@TonyTurner nowadays black women have a bad habit of being very combative aggressive rude fat the list goes on

@YourWaywardDestiny Месяц назад

How is this guy finding exclusively black women with bad habits? You know what they say about smelling crap everywhere... Check your shoe. Sounds like he would be the problem, not black women.

@TonyTurner Месяц назад

@WeebGuru6 Like I said, black women are not a monolith. You can't generalize ALL black women as acting or looking the same because anyone who steps out in the real world knows that's not true.

@WeebGuru6 Месяц назад

@@TonyTurner the world works on generalization & a significant amount of black women heck women general have bad habits that turn men away