PROVENÇAL LANGUAGE (OCCITAN DIALECT) 

Esta língua costumava ser muito popular e influente.

​@@Nwk843Portuguese is closer to Castellan (Ibero-Romance) than to Occitan-Catalan which is part of Gallo-Romance along with French.

It's interesting how both Old Occitan and Old Galician-Portuguese were poetic literary languages in the Middle Ages and people seemed to really like them both. Fun fact: the French word "amour" that is so characteristic of French is from Occitan origin, 'troubadourism' influence. The normal Oïl result from latin evolution should be "ameur"

@@Aleiza_49Yes but Occitan was a popular language used by many troubadours during the Middle Ages especially in written form, so it’s not hard to see why many Portuguese speakers took influence.

You're right, Castilian is closer to Portuguese, yet sounds like Arabic due to Moor influence. ​@HumansRDumbAndEvil

Sprachbund effect@@Besthinktwice

@@Besthinktwice The change in r moght have happened quite a long time ago. The tap r exists in the maritime dialect of provençal, between two vowels. The main r is an uvular one however. This characteristic isn’t limited to french, it also happens in north italy and germany and doesn’t happen in language far more influenced by french like bourguignon.

More or less, depends of the speakers, overall they have pretty good accents

Because your government forced them to speak only French

I thought it was totjorn? 🤔

@@Svnfold We have both, in different use Totjorn e Sèmpre

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​@@Nwk843Occitan keeps the Latin ending vowels (o & a) more often than French, but in some dialects they're pronounced the same or the vowels' pronunciation changes in the plural. Occitan is more phonologically conservative than French, but that doesn't make it "more neolatin".

Yes

Make Marseille Marselha again!

Perdon mai non. D’efècte, d’unei locutors an un accent francizat mai la nasalizacion e la r non-rodelada son de trachs pron ancians dau provençau. En mai d’aquò, en provençau maritime, servam la r rodelada entre doas vocalas.

​@@astralp4292 ;) non pòdi saber tot, mercès plan per explicar-me aiçò! Aicí absorbam los nous fachs, nos aprendem)

​Però i la "r" istòrica es coma francesa/alemana o sols una "r" non rodelada però regular?

@@XuanMelendez Avans, la r èra rodelada, es encara lo cas en gascon e en lengadocian, dins una part màger deis autrei dialèctes occitans, la r venguèt similara au francés mai de còp es servada dins quauquei cas

​@@astralp4292soi al costat de la "r" normal ;) Coma deva esser, cumo fogùet. Sabes, es tant car, parlar amb tu en l'occitàn! Non se pòt valorar-lo massa, es una de las cosas mai dolças.. I òc, ieu soi de Russia😅❤

Nah, it's more like Portuguese speaking people learning French 😭

It shouldn't sound french. Originally it didn't, but as it went nearly extinct, its few speakers learnt it as a second language and speak it with a french accent and prononciation that are not proper of the language. For example occitan R is rolled as in spanish and italian but she pronounces it guttural like in french.

@@nicolasdc31121That is true. Also, French itself used to have Spanish rolled R’s as well, but somehow it changed to the uvular one. The French spoken in North America still uses rolled R’s since the French colonized North America before the French Revolution.

@@nicolasdc31121That’s incorrect. Occitano-romance can be broken down into three broad groups of dialects: southern (Languadocian&Gascon), northern (Limosin&Auvernhat), and eastern (Provençal). Southern has a rolled r, northern has a guttural r. Provençal is more varied depending on the subdialect, with some speakers actually alternating (kinda like in Portuguese). This particular speaker alternated: her ‘r’ was guttural in most places, like at the beginning or end of a word, next to another consonant, or when there was a double ‘rr’; but she used a tap (short rolled r) when there was a single ‘r’ between two vowels. Listen again, you’ll hear it.

Provensau sun cuma franses, si plas de dir che tuta la còsta, ambe ussitan, es a ellu. E che tui li paraula romani sun " provensali ". Es falsò. La sola caua de ver dintre tut accò es che de la catalogna a l'italia li avia üna lenga maire romansa, dintre lu gallò roman, avant che cadün sighe dintre lo sieu cami'n. Ma lenga d'Ahì, Sci ò Bò non sun lenga d'Oc ò provensau. Avem cauchi influensa perché apres lu var , es d'aja comensa la rivieria ligüre e l'italia verament. Es üna transission insensibila. Ma cuma ha diç Enricò Sappia, siem fiei dòu mesme paire ma non siem lü mesmi.

Provensau han li influensa ligüri ma non vuòlon lo di. Li raìs sun dòu mesme cuntinuum. Ma li ha lenga de transission cuma lu cuntea de Nissa e Mentun che en face non sun ussitan verament ma lenga romani pròpi pròpi ansieni che fan lu ponte tra li dui aera. Ambe elli individualita che non trobas verament dintre lu provensau cuma lu ligür en generau.

e non parlas en provensau ma en Nissart mutilat de provensau. Pija ( pilha ecc..) non esiste dintre li lenga d'oc, cuma capi cuma tuti caua cum'accò.

Finda, si di ahì, ch.es ün Sin per l'affirmativa, giamai avem dice Oc, per comensa

Don't know about provencal, but she's likely a french speaker as well, and this sound is heard mostly in the provencal accent of french, especially in marseille. Lots of other people from this part also talk with DI -> JI and TI -> CHI, me included

Many southern French accents also do this. Ti is pronounced Chi, Di is pronounced Dji, et cetera.

I've look for them without being able to find them. It's astonishing to knew that arabic spread as far as Marocco, replacing berberic there, replacing coptic from Egypt, replacing Aramaic from Middle East, but did not erase tongues from south-arabia which are closer.

@@commentateur6114 Aramaic and Canaanite and others were the languages of Syria and the fertile crescent.

Cantalan is occitan !

Hello there if you're a native speaker of Provencal occitan can you please translate the following phrases in your dialect What is your name? My name is Xyz. I can speak Provencal. I cannot speak Provencal

@@biplobreal Coma te dién ? / Coma t’apèlan? Me dién Xyz. / M’apèli Xyz. Pòdi parlar provençau. Pòdi pas parlar provençau.

thnak you mate @@astralp4292

Not really

This flag exists all around the occitan and catalan countries because they used to be dominated by the House of Aragon who had these colours as their banner. It’s more like Aragon gave its colours to both Catalonia and Provença

@@Nwk843 yes, though aragonese has ibero-romance background while catalan has galo-romance. It's true that they share and mainly in the past shared many cultural and political ties. Even in aragon there are parts that speak catalan and are considered part of the catalan influence, but spanish/Castilian has become the excuse to diferentiate the local dialects while saying that they are not local dialects but different languages from aragonese, which is also in danger. What an hypocrisy

@@astralp4292 it was the house of Barcelona

Not really. There are other channels and videos with Provençal speakers on youtube and you’ll see it doesn’t change much from the variety we heard

@@astralp4292 in south west they have a mediteranean accent romance language, more primitive. With rolled R

@@Nwk843 you're basically just saying they have a French accent because the language hasn't been codified

Fonetic is occitan ;)

No, la mieu lenga ne es coma la lenga franca.

No it isn't. But many words in this video are mispronounced

​@@japaneseapoist286 Lenga branca era süs ün modeu de genuves

Nissa es pas Provençala, es Nissarda, e parla Nissart qu’es, coma lo Provençau, un dialècte occitan. Belèu volètz una identitat ligura, va podètz vouguer, mai la lenga es occitana.

@@astralp4292 Ahì ussitan ? Sabes ben senche fa la definission d'üna lenga d'Oc ? Despi cora. Ai document de 1075, es non cuma la lenga d'Oc verament. Li ha ün continuum, perché es de la lenga romana, dintre lu munde Gallò roman, ma non es ussitan. Lü nissard d'ieri, non eran per achesta " centralisassion ". Lu Nissard es üna lenga chi fa la transission don lu munde ussitan fa a si reveire e don lu munde gallò italian di buòngiu'.

@@astralp4292 La cuhina nissarda, l'architetura de Nissa, lu ver accent Nissard dau temp antigu, cauchi paraula e tipologia sun clarament ligüri. Es non se voli, es ün faç. Nissa es dintre la regiò IX ligüria de l'an 1 a 1229, protession e relassion pròpi vesini ambe Genoa, Munegu e Pisa, cuòntra li gherra de lü provensau e ellu invasion. L'òccupassion de 1229 ha cambiat la lenga ma es non üna lenga d'Oc. E pi, cuma en ussitan si di arreveire, ma che en Zeneise si di a reveise ò che ellu zamai es vesin d'ün giamai che si dì finda en Munegu e Nissa ec. Che aixi si di en Catalan cuma a Zena. Che si di tambe/ tanben / tamben dòu Catalan a Munegu, Menton finda, che si dì ancuei per praticament tut lu munde, Incoe en Lombarda, Ancheuj au Piemunt, Ancheu a Zena, Ancôi -Ancoe - Ancoei a Briga, Tenda, Menton e l'Imperia, Anchoei a Munegu e Ancuei a Nissa e Encuei per vautre. Pensas che tut accò es giust de la lenga d'Oc, e che siem tui ussitan sensa lo saber, ò che la lenga d'Oc, provensala, Catalana, Nissarda, Munegasca... Sun tuti d'üna lenga maire romansa d'achesta aera ? E tamben para lü figun, se non li avia caua che provensau avion pigliat de nautre finda ? Perché siem süs la còsta, e ahüra, despi ün pau de temp, siem sutta anession fransesa, avem a estre tui asservitat a la lenga d' Oc ? Cü pensas estre per dir accò ?

Everyone consider this script the variant of Occitan. Ben que provencal es en la carestia, vouli pilhar li capèlas, en aboisson e en vianda de l'abicor en lo masaguin.

@@japaneseapoist286 @japaneseapoist286 Non tut lu munde. Vas serca libre de Onore Drago en 1500, Nissard ò libre per autre italian de tuscana e trieste dintre l'eritage de Dante e Petrarca, cuma Murzio, dintre lu libre de 1545 " Battaglia della lingua italiana ", pagina 98. Murzio ha faç ün vojage a Nissa 15 mes en 1542 ambe lu pòble. Dintre lu libre " Il nizzardo un popolo d'una città d'italia " per comensa, pi " questa città ha la sua propria favellana che è nè francesca, nè proenzale ". Parlem de gen chi en achestu temp parlon italian fiorentino, latin, grec, proenzal e arab. Mesme dintre l'aera don la transission tra ussitan alpin, gavuòt, nissard, piemuntes es ancà mai vesina, e lu trobador Feraud avia escriç, per che lu cors poisse capi de non capi en achestü mòt en 1300 : " Mieu lengua es non del dreg proenzal ". Che's accò non capisses dintre accò ? Tamben " La nazionalita di Nizza " de Vegezzi Ruscala avant l'anession, e lu pròpi buòn " Nizza e l'Italia " de Eugeneu Emanueu, mentòr de Menica Rondelly, finda avant l'anession en 1860, pi üna segunda version en 1870, vesin dei vespri nissardi don lu part separatist de Garibaldi avia agüt la vitoria che Nissa revenga a majun. Che ahì, lo ai giamai diç lu cuòntra, che tra lü dialet de la lenga romana e gallo roman e gallo italian, segür, li ha caua simili, ma che lu Nissard era mai arcaic, e che es üna transission tra l'ussitan e lu ligüre e piemuntes. Sappia, Barberis, Miceu, pi lü gran Eugeneu Ghis e Pier Isnard ambe ellu " Armanach Nissart ", Bres, tui Nissard , eran cuòntra achesta classificassion " lenga d'Oc " ò d'origina provensala. Lo ai diç, es ver, Nissa era ambe Genoa, Munegu e Pisa cuma relassion cuòntra li invasion de la provensa e dintre la regio IX ligüre giusca 1229. Se siem dintre vuòstra pensada, lü nissard non saban escrieure e parla avant l'arribada / l'arrivada de lü provensau ? Che cagada. La differensa tra nautre es che autre che sieu dòu paìs, de famija cuneesa tamben, lo mieu sorgentin es de nissard de lü secolo passat ellu mesme, d'altre regn d'italia au temp donat, non de lü vendüt au pan ussitanismu d'ancuei despi li anada 70, 60, ò non sabi che, ò per la politica d'anession fransesa. Dintre lü escriç de 1075 en nissard primitivu li ha " la tua vita, honorato, alcò, qalcò, mia, con ". Devengüt ambe evolussion e invasion : la tieu vida, onorat, mieu , ambe ec... E de l'autre caua tipicament " meü, castellü, cü, debar, lo, aquest, tuis ( devengüt " deva / deba ", casteu , chi si di finda en gallo italian de sicilia, "tui " e lu " aquest " ha agüt üna evòlussion naturala gia dau 1300-1400-1500 avant che accò sighe la lenga offisiala " Achest " ), podi vau' dona lü " scan " para Whatsapp ò E mail se voles. Lu Giurament de Guillielme. Tamben, Nissa es escriç Nissa, ambe variassion cuma Nisza ( Lü Grimaldi ), Nisa ( Pellos ), e Niza ( Feraud ). Lu Ç cuma genoese e provensau, ò lombard, cuma en spagna e franses, non es en ver Nissard. Dügün Niça avant 1900, cora lü felibre sun arrivat a Nissa per ellu mutilassion. L' istòria per piccioi ch'es per la norma classica es falsa 400%. Cauca ren de classica es cauca ren d'istòria. Es non accò, lu Ç per S, cuma provensau, ven dòu Var , para Sardou. Perché es non escriç para Raimon ( l'ome de gleja), e lu giurament de Guillielme a Olivera, para Feraud, para Blacas, para Pellos, Fulconis, ò Badat, Andrioli, Torrini, Passeroni, Frammento, pi tui Giusepp Miceu, Bres, Pelligrini, Francesco Barberis, Rondelly, Emanueu, Antonio Fenocchio e mai, mai... Lu Ç , se non ai vist, en nissard es a la fina dòu mòt, es üna particularita usada despi 1800, per lu suòn " C " italian. E dintre la Nemaìda cuma La grammatica Nissarda de 1823/1840 es escriç che lu C si dì cuma en italian. Ç per non faire lu suòn K cora es C. Faç, nueç, vueç ec ... Mieu sorgentin es Nissard dòu passat, tamben cuma lo parli. Es non cauca ren de fantasia, es cuma lü ansien, giusca normalament 1931. Lo mieu sorgentin non sun dei persun chi eran tut ma nissard e eran de tolosa, e marsiglia ò montpellier cuma Sardou, Mistral, Alibert... Finda, Miceu cuma d'autre avia faç la sieu grammatica nissarda en 1840, avant che lu moviment felibre sighe. Non avem beson d'achestü gen de Gascogna ò de Provensa per saber senche siem. Nuòstra istòria s'es facia au levante per praticament 2000 an. Non au ponente.