I was legitimately surprised when you explained that people at your ward got a tour, got to meet staff, and even got to have a cup of tea! The people who needed to go there were terribly lucky to have had such conduct. My experience with mental health ward was far far different. (I'm in the USA) I was a minor when I was put into hospital, with no choice in the matter. School heard from a friend that I was suicidal, from there they forced me to go to the ER, and from there I was forced to a ward. My hometown had no children's ward so I had to be transported 3 hours away via an ambulance. I was strapped to the bed, despite not actively showing signs of harming myself or others. I arrived at approximately 5 am, before my folks. When they arrived, I only got to see my parents during paperwork stuff, before they had to leave. The night staff took my vitals but otherwise left me to cry by myself in one of the main rooms while I waited. From there I was put in a room with a stranger who was to be discharged in about a day. Thank god she was nice. We were not allowed to have rooms to ourselves so when she left I was put with a person who had extreme anxiety. She would hurt herself in front of me and her anxiety would also trigger mine. Nothing was done to remedy this. While I was there, there was a no contact rule, even if there was consent on both sides. While I was there I felt extremely contact starved, and my other ward mates admitted to similar feelings. I remember getting yelled at by a nurse just for laying down on the floor a couple inches from a ward mate. (with the mate's permission) And I mean, this nurse really screamed at us. I could tell she was stressed and took it all out on us, all children. When I brought it up to one of the psychs he defended the nurse and basically told us to shut up and suck it up cause she must be having a hard time. That really pissed me off. There was a similar problem with the adults not giving a shit about us when we tried multiple times to get night staff to stop being loud at night. I understood why they needed lights on and doors open, but they would talk loudly without regard to those trying to sleep, especially because we were made to get up at 9am every morning for breakfast. It was a scary environment, and save for 3 kind adults, the rest of staff didn't seem to care about us at all. It was a time filled with sleepless nights and restless days. I had multiple mental breakdowns there, when I had not shown extreme emotions in about two years. That place broke me so hard that I had heavily regretted not taking my life the day I was sent there. It was a place I felt to utterly isolated in. Those few friends I made, I was not allowed to keep contact with them after we left the ward. I only saw my family twice in the 5 days I was held there, because I had been taken 3 hours away from home. It hurt a lot to see how all the other kids got to visit their parents every day. That whole place was so mentally damaging. Witnessing other children breaking down, and being powerless to do anything about it. We weren't permitted to even console each other. It was all the duty of the nurses, most of which just seemed so burnt out that they didn't care anymore. God bless those 3 that still tried. But those good people were severely overshadowed by how scary and overwhelming everything was. The abuse from some of the nurses, and the know it all attitude from one of the psych's was agonizing. Each day felt like a century where I felt completely severed from my main pillars of support. I was not allowed to call my friends, the people I cared about. My family was so far away. This severely affected by separation anxiety, and I was constantly in a fight or flight mode. Kids who didn't show signs of getting better were cycled between wards. One kid had been between wards for over a month. The ward actively hurt my mental health, and I had to lie about feeling better to get out, because my 18th birthday was days away and they would have moved me to the adult ward, where I would have been kept longer. Getting out of that place was such a large relief. I had not been outside in 5 days. I left feeling more depressed and anxious than I was going in. The experience was traumatic for me, and I can feel my heartrate rising and my eyes well just writing about it. But I digress. Following my hospitalization, my mental health worsened, due to multiple factors, but this was a large one. It was, no doubt, a negative experience for me. And the one friend I managed to sneak a contact to, who actually got back to me, agrees. All in all, be cautious of what kind of ward you end up going to. I'm sure some might be good like the Dr has explained, but there are also ones that can hurt more than they help. If you can, do your research. Look out for yourself, know what you can do. I'd not wish the experience I had on anybody. Much love.
I remember when I was a kid (I also have autism) we had this bish of a recess monitor and she had kids at the school whom she basically let do whatever, but apparently she tried to refer me, a 7 year old for a stay at a psych ward... I don't even know why. Thankfully she's been fired for ages. Her kids are gone to.
Iwas once admitted into a psychic ward because my school thought i was on the verge of killing my family (they took that from a friend with who i joked with and took it seriously) it was a very small place, most of the staff seem to half care about the patient, most of them were nice, i had the time to talk to each of them. I stayed 2 week there and was seeing a psychiatrise every 2 day, they just ask for 10 minute how i was feeling and go back to where ever they worked at. I was very stressed as i also have autism Spector, asperger, and was in a period of stress due to my exam and i was looking for a nob at the time, i was 17. The experience was pretty rough and there was almost nothing there with only 2 room, plus bathroom, that i was allowed to go, my personal room and the communal room. I will say that not a lot as come out of this as i was pretty clear in my head from the start but i guess the stress and anxiety make theme think i would of be dangerous for myself, as the anxiety made my at the time scratch myself and leaved marks on my arms. Before the intervention i had already noticed that i was harming myself and was looking to find an activity or small habit to replace the scratching so i believe that i was already good in this area. The ward wasn’t a bad place but i do think that some accommodation against the stress should be given more thought.
How long ago was this? America is the most litigious country in the world...and the hospital might not want the negative press...you might have a case for a lawsuit
That voice actor playing "Michael Jackson" is actually Michael Jackson! He was a HUGE fan of the show and was excited to play himself. Look it up if you doubt it. Much love.
Yeah if I remember right it had to do with the record label not being able to work with them to have Michael sing just those small parts. Also Lisa's birthday song would have belonged to the record label not Fox so future reruns of the episode would have been difficult to do as well as home media releases. At least his vocal double was picked by Michael himself.
The Simpsons get a lot of their celebrity guest appearances because the celebrity is a fan of the show. Especially with it being on tv for so long at this point, there’s also now that history of the celebrity guests that came on the show in the past that newer celebrities probably see as a fairly exclusive club of people that they’d like to be a part of.
My favorite stereotype in this is the one about the psychiatrists overlooking the obvious: "There really is a Bart?" It's a good reminder that looking too deeply for the cause of a symptom can make you miss the obvious. I, for example, have a fear of large crowds and not knowing who is behind me. Of course, I know that this is due to having been injured during riot staged by World Cup fans who went a bit over when their team was eliminated. It is an irrational fear based on experience, not a delusion of persecution.
Well said. I've had gangs hunt me, and I've had people regularly attack me from behind or in my sleep. I've long since dealt with all threats, but I don't allow people to approach me from behind, and whenever someone walks past, even in my home, I have to observe them until they are out of sight.
I’m just realizing that psych wards are much different in the US than in the UK. We have to share rooms and have group therapy. I had a therapist ask me to play out a scenario involving abuse in my childhood knowing that even thinking about it triggers my ptsd. Let’s just say that American psych wards are really bad.
I was in a mental health hospital last month and it was exactly like I in the Simpsons. My roommate told me it reminded him of when he was in prison. Everything was on a schedule, we had limited hours for hygiene, all items were in a format that prevented people from hurting themselves. We were all treated the same, no matter what you were there for.
A really thoughtful and fantastically done "Reacts to" video. You have sensitively reviewed one of my most favourite Simpsons' episodes. I really love the little details throughout the episode which you've expanded on, and your commentary on the several important mental health themes throughout the episode.
When I was locked up everyone had a roomie. This was in cali many years ago and I was under 18. Staff abused thier power, roomie was necessary. Due to volume of patients and because they hoped you could keep an eye on each other (was how it was explained to me.) It wasn't a good place, but it wasn't quite hell either in my case.
The UK sounds like they treat people REALLY well. In the US, we share rooms as patients, you are in a hospital gown for about a week before they give you back your clothes, they certainly DO NOT give you tea or a tour of the ward! Speaking from experience
I will tell you that when I was first put into the hospital (psychiatric) for my second suicide attempt they put me into a shared room with another person for the first 24 hours. After that I was given my own room but never told why I had to share a room. In those 24 hours the roomie and I were in frequent arguments as I did not want to talk and he wouldn’t shut the fudge up. This was Loma Linda Behavior Medical Center in So Cal, US.
I’m actually genuinely surprised that Michael Jackson didn’t have a side career voicing cartoon characters. Like he never appeared in any Disney movies I’m aware of. I can understand why he wouldn’t have been hired later in life, but back before the court cases and suspected inappropriate behavior, you’d think he would have loved the chance to lend his voice to a Disney film.
Herman Rorschach was a straight-up hottie 😍 in my first year of undergrad we studied the tests a lot as we looked at the progression of psychological evaluation throughout history...pretty interesting! I actually think the episode is pretty good satire, but people are inclined to take the media as God’s word. I like that you’re debunking common myths around mental health! I have my mental state exam clinical skills session next week, hopefully this is useful 😂
@@DoctorElliottCarthy what I've noticed (I have have an eating disorder so I've been in mental health plenty of times at two different hospitals) is that patients with for E. G. really bad anxiety will get a room on their own. Normally I've had to share a room but yes the times I was on my own were always a lot nicer.
Nah, it was because of a Contractual disagreement with what ever MJ was with and Fox, so he couldn't sing but he could talk by going through the loophole of being credited as the very 'Unique' name of 'John Smith' lol 😆
@@StanSwan +1 came here to say the same thing. There's a reason that the "urban legend" of him singing on the episode got started, that really is his voice, as you say he went uncredited to avoid any lawsuits. presumably, eh was a big enough star that the label just looked the other way as it's really freaking obvious that that's his voice in the episde.
i live in germany and have been in psychiatric care a few times. There are no single rooms here unless you pay for them.... You don't get a tour and you are not introduced to anyone. I was in a room with 4 other women. One wanted the light to stay on because she was afraid of the dark. The other one was snoring and the third one kept getting up and waking everyone up because Jesus was talking to her. I did not sleep one night. When the night nurse had finished her rounds, I always lay down in the shower (which was in the hallway) to sleep until the nurse sent me back to the room. It went back and forth like that all night. Then there were tablets, because I supposedly had sleeping problems.... and during the day you had to sit in the day room and kill time. No TV, no radio, no smartphone, just a stack of old newspapers and puzzles with missing parts. I don't know how you're supposed to get better there....
a few years ago i was seeking a new diagnosis. i had been diagnosed with chronic depression but no meds were helping and years of talk therapy hadn't helped, so i thought maybe i had been misdiagnosed. they inkblot tested me along with a massive multiple choice test and a few sessions with an asshat who couldn't bother being on time and always cut my sessions short. so kansas isnt nearly on the same treatment level as the uk.
I will forever be mad that this episode is not on disney plus. A SIMPSON EPISODE with MICHAEL JACKSON and its HIS ACTUAL VOICE?? Come on, disney! Don't be cowards
Psych wards in U.S. do have people share rooms. I was the only one in my side of the wing that had their own room (idk why I didn’t have to share a room with someone like everyone else did I think was the only empty room they had left) they would have us take the shoelaces out of our shoes because “we could hang ourselves with them” we could t wear anything with a zipper (except pants) and we could only use a pen or pencil if we were signing a form otherwise they gave you a crayon.
Dr. Elliot I loved listening to your insights of the New Bedlam joke! The most intelligent jokes featured in The Simpsons are often subtle and easily overlooked.
Your description of mental health wards in the UK made me quite jealous (viewer in the USA here). My time in a mental hospital when I was around 14 years old was extremely unpleasant. I did have a roommate, we were scolded for looking out the window in the common area too long since they thought we were trying to plan an escape, the bedroom windows had blinds that couldn’t be opened at all so they felt like boxes, and generally we were treated like we were a nuisance to the staff. My therapist while there was also very combative, and we did have group therapy, during which we would be scolded for not giving the answers the staff wanted to hear.
That sounds pretty comforting in the UK. Where you are taken around with tea and meet other patients and staff. I've been hospitalized twice in the US, and it was somewhat like that. Open wards mostly, and we were shown around a little bit very quickly. No nice cup of tea though. You weren't really introduced to anyone much either, which I think would've been the most helpful part. This was in the early 2000s also, so things might be different. You seem like such a wonderful Dr., I am liking your videos.
I can't believe l've been watching "The Simpsons" nearly every day, since l was in my mid-teen years, when it first aired on TV here in Australia in February of 1991. I said back then this show was gonna last a very long time, and l was right! Anyway, I must have watched each episode 30 times by now over the years, and there are over 600 episodes of it! l'm not sick of it at all! I still love it! And l can't wait to see the brand new of episodes of the show in the years to come 😍😁👍
You know, there's one thing I've wondered, you say diagnosis takes months or years...why don't they use blood tests, I mean, they got names for the chemicals involved (Seratonin, Cortisol, etc.) so why not use a blood test to check if they're out of whack? I've seen several articles on that, and it looks promising.
Cause not all mental diseases can be diagnosed trought a chemical imbalance and such or are caused by those since some can be caused by past traumas (eg: ptsd can be quite the exhample) and trought blood tests it can't be 100% accurate and it might lead to a mistreatment most probably so the best way remains an analysis of the behaviour and thoughts of the patients while gaining their trust to gain more data on the mental situation and try to fix the haywire in the mind of the person to make it functional again
I did one of those mental health questionaires that went straight from "Do you sometimes havrefeelings of not being good enough?" to "Have you ever harmed a small animal?" and "Do you ever experience seeing auras around people?" Of course, as he said, they didn't diagnose me based on it and it was just a questionaire of random questions, some of which, if they hadn't come up naturally in conversation probably would be good to know. I just found the whiplash of the turn between those questions funny. And no. I have never harmed a small animal not do I see auras around people.
I've visited two friends who were sectioned. One in Norfolk, one in London. The settings were fairly nice for what they were, but it really hit home how having people with all these different symptoms in a relatively small space wasn't really very good for them.
UK Mental health wards are way different from the USA I'm afraid to go and seek help from a mental health ward because of all the horrible stories I've heard. I recommend reacting to Experiences in Psych Wards. r/AskReddit Reddit Stories | Top Posts by Reddit Jar theres a few stories about kids who's mental health got worse after going.
Exactly one time on the NHS have I had Rorschach tests used on me, by a therapist in her 60s who ALSO immediately asked me about my mother as the first non-admin question and insisted I had to come in “ideally 5, but at least 3” times a week if she could POSSIBLY help me, along with a bunch of other very Freudian-psychoanalysis type stuff which I won’t all go into. After I expressed that my disabilities simply don’t let me out of the house that much, she angrily discharged me instead of even attempting every week. It was pretty wild, even though she was occasionally quite insightful at times, just because her methods and statements were so… stereotypical? I felt like I was in a movie! Like, she had a little nicely-bound booklet of inkblots she kept in her pocket, instead of using cards. Kept referring back to my “negative” answers to them, even when I thought she was misinterpreting or looking too hard for a connection. It was really surreal. It’s kind of a shame because if her methods were different, I would’ve loved to have had that level of long term attention, versus the months between some appointments in the funding-starved clinics in my part of the UK currently. But yeah, that was a very odd experience, in hindsight!
Dear God. People on your ward get a cup of tea and meet their nurses? The nurses on the ward I was on after a truly catastrophic panic attack wouldn't even leave the very secure, impenetrable nurses' station. If I needed something, they cracked the door to let me ask--me, a small woman who exhibited no violent tendencies at all and was smiling and polite. I did see one or two of them outside the nurses' station when they brought the food up and yelled for everyone to come get theirs before going back into the station. The only people who talked to me like a person were the doctor and the other patients. Nobody there was violent, either. The vast majority of patients were just detoxing. I swear being there did way more harm for my mental health than not being there at all.
My spouse when she was in patient for mental health before I met her she had two to three roommates. Sure, it wasn't prison like how it is in the show though. Also, get this, her now ex husband tried to give away her cats while she was in there!
In VA we had group therapy, but it was 100% voluntary. But there was a couple who were not able to really take part but those were kind permant residents...
So glad I’ve found this! Subscribed! And I would like to add, also find out WHY he believes he’s Michael Jackson/why they believe what they believe, and how to fix that! And also, a big issue with the medical field, be it physical or payicatric, is the mis/overdiagnosing in order to medicate and control... it’s all about money and control... many times it’s not but too often...
From the references to lobotomy, to the presence of the "big chief" that didn't talk until just now, to Homer bringing in a woman and the other patients reacting to her... these look like attempts at parodying the movie "One flew over the cuckoo's nest". Which you may want to react to, if you haven't seen it already.
To be fair, I once was in a hospital that was very much like a prison. I was only there for about a week, but it was traumatizing and frankly I'm luckily I didn't end up with serious psychological damage from it. The only reason I was there was because I was having another crisis after being transferred from my first hospitalization to a step-down program (it didn't really work for me and I started feeling unsafe). Long story short, they diagnosed me as severely psychotic (I was experiencing command hallucinations at the time but was mostly in contact with reality otherwise, definitely not schizophrenic or severely psychotic in any way), put me on lithium (I ended up with tremors from lithium toxicity), there was no therapy or group activities, they completely disrespected my transition (I'm FTM and was legally male, presented completely as male, and was on hormones at the time) and put me in a room with a woman who was having severe outbursts because, as they said, "I hadn't had the surgery yet". The food was garbage (not expecting it to be great but it was literally prison food not hospital food), the only source of stimulation we had was the family visits, which were limited to 45 minutes a day (which was really hard for my parents as it was a 1 1/2 hour drive) and "outdoors time" was literally us just sitting at a bench outside barricaded by walls with some astroturf on the ground for "decoration". Luckily, the only saving graces were the intake coordinator, who recognized the staff were being transphobic towards me and got me my own room, and my psychiatrist, who was able to stabilize me on lithium despite the side effects and get me out of there asap. However, big disclaimer: I've actually been admitted inpatient to 5 or so hospitals, and this one was the only one that felt like prison. Most of my other experiences with mental health care have been much, much better.
when lobotomy was mentioned, it quickly reminded me of episodes from BoJack Horseman. I haven't seen any doctor react to that series. would you consider doing a couple of episodes?
Ive worked in many mental health hospital and majority of the time you are just shown to your room that your going to be sharing with up to 5 different people.... Being detained against your will sounds a lot like prison to me. I think its hurtful to say that experience is not based in reality because it is the reality of majority of people Ive cared for sadly.
Obviously everyones experience is different and I'm certainly not intending to dismiss the traumatic experience that admission can be. In the UK though I have never worked on or heard of a ward where any patient is expected to share rooms and I'm very thankful for that.
@@DoctorElliottCarthy In the US, the mental health system is basically just used as a prison. In my experience, the same can be said for Canada at times.
Fun fact: The terms sane and insane just come from the Latin words for healthy and unhealthy and only stopped being used by professionals because of stigma from laypeople. Similarly to the term "spastic" in the UK and the much older term nincompoop which was an abbreviation of non compos mentis, meaning "not of right mind" - a term used for mentally unwell patients.
You should review a video titled Titicut Follies, it's an old documentary of an asylum for the criminally insane way back when, it's a reason that such places run the way you are used to them today, and it is actually far, far worse than it is depicted in episodes like this.
actually here in America in a psych ward there are 2 people to a room. the staff never shut the door and patents are free to walk around the unit get drink and snacks also 24 hr therapy talks with specialist.
I mean the episode is from 1991, you have to analyze it in context of the time it came out, for example, was the word "insane" still used by psychiatrist in 1991? Or you guys just stopped using that word after that?
This episode always reminded me when I was a kid and everyone said the gray shirt I was wearing was pink. Turns out it _did_ turn pink in the wash and I'm just colorblind, which wasn't diagnosed until after high school.
I'm here late, but the scene where they say they have a "very simple process" and stamp him with "Insane" was too real. As a sane person who spent time in a US psych ward, I can tell you that it's impossible to prove to anyone that you don't pose a threat to anyone from the position of a patient. Every behavior is filtered through a professional's confirmation bias and taken as evidence of what is already believed, which is that you must be there for a good reason. By the time you've been there for a day or two, the stress of the poor conditions will begin to get to you. You'll begin to withdraw socially, stop eating, and pace back and forth through the ward restlessly, like a caged tiger. A healthy person's reasonable anxiety and protests at unjust captivity will then be turned against them. The acute symptoms caused by staying in that environment will be cited as evidence that you're not ready to leave. If you're not already extremely unstable when you enter, then you will be by the time you leave. US wards will drive you crazy and then call you that. The system needs to be completely reformed, and if that proved impossible (it's not), then even dismantling it entirely would be preferable, as it still wouldn't help anyone but could no longer do harm. "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" is not exactly accurate anymore, but it's still a far cry from inaccurate. I still relive those moments a year later, and I've lost so many social skills that I had before spending just a few days there. It feels like I'm starting over, and I'm in treatment for full-blown PTSD that was in remission before I entered. I don't have a happy ending to give, just a dire warning.
Well, that’s how mental health is treated here in the states. Ever seen terminator 2? Sarah Conner’s mental institution is actually a prison. Matter of fact, that’s what most mental institutions are in America, prisons. How could you not pick up on that?
Never had my own room in the three times I was hospitalized in Colorado and Texas. I put myself there and not ordered to be there. This was a private hospital I paid for out of my own pocket. In the U.S. it is a matter of days not weeks and months unless sent to a state hospital with something severe or criminal. Both states had group therapy in acute settings.
@@DoctorElliottCarthy Darn it! I thought I was furthering the conversation somehow. Still, it bares repeating. Love your videos too. I like the Shows you watch, the Simpsons is hilarious and you breaking things down for us to get the subtext of a scene is fascinating. Keep it up bro!
When I was admitted this one guy kept walking around the ward, opening and closing doors. I was trying to take a nap and couldn’t. It was annoying. I understood though, that it wasn’t his fault, something was wrong with him. 🤷♀️
I don't know how it is in the U.K., but in the U.S. the majority of Mental Health Institutions have you share a room with someone else unless there is a risk of an altercation or violence against one another, and you do have group therapy sessions.
10:51 Back when my group and I finished DBT therapy after 1 1/2 years, the therapists gave us certificates of completion. Someone said "Cool, we got our 'Not Insane' certificates!", directly from this episode. 😂
8:30 it’s honestly kind of fascinating that a lot of people don’t think mental health practice has evolved in the past 100 years except maybe “pop psychology” with a buncha bs and easy answers
one of the stranger series is, my little ponies, friendship is magic. In that one, SEVERAL of the main characters have mental health problems... With different episodes having their slow spiral into total breakdowns. You get a partly Autistic with OCD who realizes she's forgotten an assignment. You get a bipolar extrovert who goes from super cheerful to introvert depression, with delusions.
When I was admitted to a ward we did have to share a room because of over crowding in Northern Irish mental health hospitals luckily they have built a much more modern ward. Plus I was in PICU where it did sort of feel like prison especially because I had a few nurses staying with me at all times ( watching me sleep, monitoring me when I showered though I was behind a shower curtain) I understand why they did it but at the time I felt like a prisoner and felt like I had been punished. Luckily now I am recovering and can see why it all happened and it did help me. Make sure you go get the help as I’m now living by myself in my own flat. People never thought I’d manage that and I’ve proved them wrong. Go get help if you are struggling as people do care about you.
In defense of the psychiatrists, I don't think anyone would expect someone to pawn off filling a medical chart to a kid. My guess is that Homer said Bart filled out the forms and they thought he was paranoid that someone was plotting to get him locked up. Plus, the questions about hearing voices and other things were answered "yes", so they were probably mistrusting Homer's own credibility.
Michael actually voiced the entire episode but they didnt use it and used a voice actor - but rumors are that some original episodes actually have michael singing the lisa song - which is pretty cool - but its difficult to tell because most of them have been changed - so there are still some hardcopies of michael jackson somewhere and it would be crazy to watch it
Also Jackson hired an impersonator to record some of his lines and swapped them without people knowing so no one knows which are actually him and which are impersonator
heyo, an American here who has spent time in a psych ward as well as a crisis center just popping in to say I had to share a room and we did group therapy every day
this has nothing to do with simpson's episode but I would be terrified to visit a psych ward / asylum or whatever ... it's a long story, to say it short I grew up being bullied and beated up for a lenght of time both mentally and physically, trusting people who I thought were my friends and more. Music was my escape in life eventho it deeply upset me what they told me that I belong in one for me trying to tell people to stop bully me, when I was 19/20 or something I remember feeling like I had survivor's guilt cause I didn't see much of the point anymore cause I felt I didn't have a purpose in life ... but yeah right now I kinda feel better since I "woke up" from a depression that lasted from around ... 2013ish to 2018... it kinda went on and off me being aware of days passing without having the confidence to speak to people cause I was afraid of getting beated up for no reason which happened as a teen... but yeah
I thought lobotomies sometimes did make whatever hey were trying to fix disappear, but it was hopeless because something else went wrong without that part of the brain. I am totally sure that if I'd been born 100 years ago, I might have been put down for that. Except it would have nothing positive to do, because removing part of the brain doesn't make autism go away. In fact, removing the frontal lobe might remove some of the positive effects of it. I can't be sure about this, but removing certain parts could make sensory processing less taxing, but they could impair my ability to notice details or long-term memory.
Only use of lobotomy today is in realy chronic cases of epilepsy too but those are the litteral worse cases where nothing worked and so the part of the brain that is defective needs to be removed sadly but it's done realy realy realy carefully and with realy small parts (a similar thing can happen even in the removal of a brain tumor that a lil part of the brain gets also removed in the process usualy cause necessary or similar)
@@loquenlucas9060 Yeah, well, that's why lobotomies still exist, because there are times where not having one threatens a person's life. I know shock therapy is sometimes used as well, again as a last resort. I've already had TMS, and even though they say it doesn't hurt, it actually feels like a little mallet hitting the side of my head every five seconds, except it didn't hurt to touch afterwards so you could tell there was no real mallet.
You’re talking about To y Masters, aka Taskmaster. He took a Nazi variant of the super soldier serum, and it gave him “photographic reflexes.” He can copy other people’s movements perfectly without practice. He can be the greatest martial artist just by watching Shang Chi.
