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Psychological illusionist Derren Brown presents magic as an analogy for how we process the world around us. In the same way we believe in a trick by forming a narrative around it, we can tell ourselves stories in life.
It's important to maintain a sense of skepticism. But it's equally as important to recognize the edges of usefulness in being skeptical.
For example, an atheist can be skeptical of religion while still admitting that the narratives around religion might be valuable and psychologically useful.
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DERREN BROWN:
Derren Brown began his UK television career in December 2000 with a series of specials called Mind Control. In the UK, his name is now pretty much synonymous with the art of psychological manipulation. Amongst a varied and notorious TV career, Derren has played Russian Roulette live, convinced middle-managers to commit armed robbery, led the nation in a séance, stuck viewers at home to their sofas, successfully predicted the National Lottery, motivated a shy man to land a packed passenger plane at 30,000 feet, hypnotised a man to assassinate Stephen Fry, and created a zombie apocalypse for an unsuspecting participant after seemingly ending the world. He has also written several best-selling books and has toured with eight sell-out one-man stage shows.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Magic is a great analogy for how we process the world generally. So, we have this infinite data source coming at us, there’s an infinite number of things that we can think about, but we essentially make up a story about what we’re seeing. We edit and delete and we form a narrative and we mistake that narrative for the truth. the way you watch a magic trick of any sort and edit your experience to form a story that brings you to a point of going oh my god that’s impossible is what we do every day in real life, and we have to because it’s our only way of navigating forward. But, it’s important to remember sometimes that it is just a story that there’s a lot of stuff going on that we’re not aware of. And, of course, a magician doing a trick is exploiting exactly that process the fact that we are master editors.
So I am encouraging a form of skepticism, but I do think that the broad easy skepticism of the magician or the atheist, I’m an atheist but I think that both of those camps have it too easy. So, there are things I think that are important skeptically and then there’s also important checks on the very nature of skepticism. Particularly in the world of people making claims, grand claims, which is what as somebody rooted in magic come across a lot, an important point that I guess goes back to Hume, which is the extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. So, if somebody is making a grand claim, a supernatural claim, for example, it’s going to be up to them to come up with equally strong and impressive and grand evidence for that thing. As opposed to it’s up to the other person say you to disapprove it, which is often what they say, well you can’t disprove it. If I say I’ve got a green mouse living in my house and I expect you to believe that, it’s not your job to prove that I don’t have a green mouse by looking in every corner of my house because you could always miss the mouse, it’s up to me to show you it. If I’m going to show you a photograph of it it has got to be a proper picture not a doctored picture and so on. So, what you have a lot of is evidence that isn’t real evidence.
So, for example, a psychic and medium using say her very demonstration of doing it as proof of psychic mediumship, well that’s no more valid than if a magician saws a woman in half and says well here’s proof that I’m doing it. Look I’m sawing her in half. Well, that’s not proof. Proof would be okay do it with my saw, do it with my box, do it with my woman as opposed to your assistant and do it under some kind of controlled conditions and then maybe I’ll believe it. You create conditions that everyone agrees on and then it becomes evidence. I think just in terms of understanding not getting too caught up in other people’s stories and other people’s narratives and falling for them, that reserve of skepticism is important. And when it's your job to disprove and when it isn't that's important, particularly in a world full of charlatans and people trying to get us to believe what they want. But it's very difficult because...
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@bigthink
@bigthink 4 года назад
Have questions for Derren Brown? Let us know! We'll keep them in mind for our next video.
@iamfrankcaceres
@iamfrankcaceres 4 года назад
Yes! What are his morning rituals or routines?
@BatataKarambas
@BatataKarambas 3 года назад
Ooh, ooh, me, are your magic tricks real or are they just as fake as everyone else's
@kevinb6636
@kevinb6636 3 года назад
how much of you work was guided by people like richard bandler , milton erickson and NLP ... and what do you say anyone who follow in your path?
@jonathanjollimore7156
@jonathanjollimore7156 2 года назад
I use it a lot
@mattheweady615
@mattheweady615 2 года назад
@@BatataKarambas I think if you read it back carefully you'll find you have answered your own question ;o)
@elizabethj8130
@elizabethj8130 4 года назад
So basically if everyone thought clearly and rationally there would be chaos. I agree. Kudos for admitting that even rational skeptics have an off day.
@Fiat_Lux_23
@Fiat_Lux_23 4 года назад
Good ole' Hitchens' Razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
@DeepValueOptions
@DeepValueOptions 4 года назад
Fiat Lux evidence is always self evident. What you can confirm for yourself is enough. Anything else is trying to change the world, you have to change yourself.
@Fiat_Lux_23
@Fiat_Lux_23 4 года назад
@@DrBrainTickler Whatever you're trying to preach, I hope it works for ya. Sounds a bit myopic and fallacious though, to the point of being passive-aggressive, almost as if your biases had gotten the better of you.
@TheRazmotaz
@TheRazmotaz 4 года назад
Fiat Lux so this statement can be dismissed? Or do you have evidence that it’s true? ☺️
@Fiat_Lux_23
@Fiat_Lux_23 2 года назад
@Joanna Young Quite the opposite, actually - I don't, and if someone claims "the sun belongs to me " or "I know God's true will", without offering extraordinary proof to begin with, why would I suddenly need to offer anything to dismiss their baloney? That's the logical fallacy behind "you can't prove God doesn't exist", because you cannot 'prove' a negative. You also couldn't prove I don't own the sun, but that doesn't automatically raise the possibility that I do. Btw, it's been said that Hell is reserved exclusively for those who believe in it, and the lowest circle of Hell is reserved for those who only believe in it because they assume they're going to end there if they don't. ;)
@Fiat_Lux_23
@Fiat_Lux_23 2 года назад
@Joanna Young Try reading the second part again and find out if you can spot the joke. Then read the first part again, and probably notice how I've basically said the same things as you did. Confused? I guess that's your "problem" right there: too quick to judge, with too little effort trying to understand what has actually been stated. ;)
@8bitmagic
@8bitmagic 4 года назад
I love Derren, such a treat of a human being
@MikoSantos
@MikoSantos 3 года назад
After watching this video, I just discovered that Derren is a magician himself and I'm amazed by his RU-vid videos. Magicians and skeptics are really from the same breed: Penn & Teller, Houdini, Amazing Randi.
@owlnyc666
@owlnyc666 Год назад
Magician or Illusionist? Honest Liars.
@marna_li
@marna_li Год назад
As a skepticist you need to have a bit of humility and not cynically reject stuff. Every belief or extraordinary claim has its reasons. Sometimes we have to ask what it really means. Although we not ourselves believe in that thing, it has certainly shaped humanity. And that is worth investigating.
@ytubeanon
@ytubeanon 4 года назад
_Burden of Proof,_ to put it briefly, is basically what Darren is referring to... it's important in a debate (particularly internet political arguments) to establish who first needs to do the work to prove or defend their claim, it is not 'first come, first serve': *Person A: "God exists since you cannot prove he doesn't exist"* *Person B: "God doesn't exist since you lack proof he exists"* Person A's statement is further from the status quo than Person B's (to be clear, you don't want arguments from a negative and a majority of people may believe in God, but faith is different than a proof of God), Person A is the holder of the burden, even though _sequentially_ it would seem Person B would have to do the work of disproving Person A's statement first *Holder of the burden* 'When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo. This is also stated in Hitchens's razor. Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion, the Sagan standard, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".'
@morningstarintheabyss2309
@morningstarintheabyss2309 4 года назад
I can create another figure wich doesnt exist and tell you that it actually exists, you only have to BE *LIE* VE that he does...
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 4 года назад
i've got myself out of deep debt this way, i've been chased, or rather i've been sent begging letters from debt collection agencies for years, no one has collected, the laws may have chnaged since i started out, and the law will vary depending on country and the "loan" type (mortgage, credit card etc) but the burdon of proof lies with the debt collector, i discovered that if you demand proof of debt, they can't actually provide any, as banks allow you to create new money, not lend you existing money, so the debt is not a debt at all, the fact is YOU give the money to the bank first, they allow you to access it. i just play letter ping pong with them these days, the PRA group, who i owe most to just send me a letter every month, sometimes promising a discount if i pay, but i just file them and wait for some more meaningful action. two other credit card debt collectors have stopped altogether during this covid thing. lastly, i mailed them letters (with a US postmark) explaining i now live in a crack house in south central LA, so if they want to collect....
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 4 года назад
god doesn't exist by the way, he told me so.
@xzonia1
@xzonia1 3 года назад
@@HarryNicNicholas I think he was just telling you what you wanted to hear.
@maidak
@maidak 4 года назад
Freaky how he knew about my green mouse
@huruey
@huruey 4 года назад
Mine too!
@oglordbrandon
@oglordbrandon 4 года назад
There are no green mice, except for the one that lives at my house. It's a very special mouse, and it only talks to me. Because of how fucking humble I am.
@ThinkLikeaPhysicist
@ThinkLikeaPhysicist 3 года назад
Skepticism, asking questions, and critical thinking are a good start. But it's not all that we have. We have tools for evaluating how strong evidence is for some hypothesis. Scientists use them all the time. We have to be able to say not just what our conclusions are, but how certain we are of those conclusions. Understanding some basic probability and statistics, knowing what an error bar is, etc., can make the world around us a whole lot less confusing. I'm trying to make these tools more understandable to non-scientists.
@ShawnRavenfire
@ShawnRavenfire 4 года назад
Well said. I see so many people (and I've fallen into this trap myself pretty often) taking "skepticism" to the point of cynicism, nihilism, and even solipsism. It's important to remember that there are some "lies" that we need to believe, such as justice, mercy, etc. (I learned that from Terry Pratchett.)
@sonkeschmidt2027
@sonkeschmidt2027 4 года назад
That's why we take believes so that it doesn't have to be a lie. It's simply something you don't know for sure that you hypothesize to be true. That's the foundation of science, difference being that reality is your lab. And that your hypothesis was wrong might be your death or very painful. But doing nothing is seldom leading to improvement so we shoot into the dark. Lying twists our psyche much deeper. Believes have an implicit backdoor to give you a chance to realign with your perceived reality. Lying knowingly twists your reality, which is why it's not a healthy strategy. One should avoid lying as much as possible for ones own mental health.
@sonkeschmidt2027
@sonkeschmidt2027 4 года назад
@@DrBrainTickler it's not only easier to pretend to know, it has been fundamental for our survival. The truth is that we don't know much at all. Look at what the little knowledge that we managed to gather brought us. We, fit the first time, have the ability to destroy our habitat and we are eager to do so. Our biggest blindness yet remains in the ignorance of what we do not know.
@TheChantelleBell
@TheChantelleBell 4 года назад
He looks so different now (I guess that's life). Haven't seen him in years
@rjmunt
@rjmunt 4 года назад
But in a rigourously controlled environment with scientific measurements my magic powers don't work :(
@sonkeschmidt2027
@sonkeschmidt2027 4 года назад
@HarleyHilderson well the thing is, this is true. The dragon is real. Objectively oriented people like to create a story that makes it unreal but the fact is, if that person believes that dragon exists, then that dragon exists. What that means exactly is a different matter And how much it has an influence on our shared reality. But it's not and never will be seperate from our shared reality. Through the observer, even if it is just one, that dragon has an influence on people. If that dragon commands someone to to kill you and the person acts accordingly then that dragon becomes real to you in a very serious way. Our whole culture, the land we own, money. It's all just a collective fantasy. But try to call that out to people and you will face some very real consequences.
@ShawnRavenfire
@ShawnRavenfire 4 года назад
The ad following this video was a trailer for "The History of David Copperfield" (the Charles Dickens character, not the magician). I'm wondering if the ad-placement algorithm just picked up the word "magician," and got the Copperfields mixed up.
@ingebygstad9667
@ingebygstad9667 3 года назад
*Fasting.* _Every_ religion writes about it multiple times, as if it was common practice in the past. Yet, it has not up until _very_ recently been taken seriously by doctors, scientists and others, as it is now understood what "miracles" it does to the body. - talking as a sceptic and Atheist myself. So Brown makes a good point there.
@PulpHouseHorror
@PulpHouseHorror 4 года назад
I know I don't need to say it, but Derren Brown is one of our modern geniuses
@CassiaChloe
@CassiaChloe 4 года назад
Brilliant. I couldnt agree more,
@johnfarris6152
@johnfarris6152 4 года назад
👽Mark Twain, The mysterious stranger.👽
@NaffiAxx
@NaffiAxx 4 года назад
I'm a deist I don't know if there is a God, and I'm fine with that.
@Tony-gg3nd
@Tony-gg3nd 2 года назад
Then you are probably an agnostic atheist.
@exxcellbx6139
@exxcellbx6139 4 года назад
Wow 0:30 You already know the full trick. Impressive. I give you a 9 out of 20.
@owlnyc666
@owlnyc666 Год назад
He's prudent-moderate skeptic. The Socratic Paradox! Don't be a dogmatic skeptic. 😇😎
@j.e.8286
@j.e.8286 4 года назад
My favorite Friday podcast (also I think the green mouse needs his own story :-))
@kaaajeee
@kaaajeee 4 года назад
so you just summarized the Peterson Harris debates tour in 5 minutes. GZ
@reyzalmysterio
@reyzalmysterio 4 года назад
He is the one who continues James Randi's legacy..
@tiagow95
@tiagow95 4 года назад
Derren, Penn and Teller
@DeepValueOptions
@DeepValueOptions 4 года назад
But few will be David blaines or dynamos
@johnbuckner2828
@johnbuckner2828 4 года назад
I want a green mouse in my house. Can one of you scientist please GMO one for me; oh, and I want it to glow please. ..but yeah, I think if somebody is trying to compell somebody else that their own worldview is right, it is up to them to lay out enough credible evidence for the other person to change their mind; if the person is just telling you what they personally believe then there is no need to provide proof to the other person. Cognitive liberty. Every time somebody tries to tell me that the world is not infinite because we experience and then measure categorized patterns over time, and can realize mathematical sets with the human mind...well, I personally need a little more evidence that there is "nothing" "outside" of the visible universe.
@Crispman_777
@Crispman_777 4 года назад
I know it's a joke but you can actually make green glow-in-the-dark mice. You can actually easily buy a rainbow selection of glow-in-the-dark pet fish!
@johnbuckner2828
@johnbuckner2828 4 года назад
@@Crispman_777 I was actually being somewhat serious although in a tongue-in-cheek manner 😜 I know they've done it with a cat, and we have pet rats that I love. I can see myself owning a cat green glowing mouse too LOL
@Jeremyramone
@Jeremyramone 4 года назад
@@Crispman_777 yep bio luminescence gene has been isolated. Fascinating stuff..its important to point out the problematic aspects of religious beliefs because of the immense harm they cause on society.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 4 года назад
it's easier just to buy an invisible spaceship like the one i have in my garden.
@abuferasabdullah
@abuferasabdullah 4 года назад
So they brought you to tell us about God, from an illusionist
@IAMDIMITRI
@IAMDIMITRI 4 года назад
My mind is blown. WTF happened to his hair :O I read the lower third saying Derren Brown. I'm like: hehehe they got confused and typed the wrong name. But then I went to google for picture and you can clearlly see the gradient of Derrens hair loss.
@markkravitz4678
@markkravitz4678 3 года назад
👍 What the mind can conceive, the mind can achieve. My top entrepreneur @evenkingsfall (his insta) never stops saying you have to THINK BIG to WIN BIG! Always keep that attitude! Good content as always 🖤
@bebeezra
@bebeezra 4 года назад
Derren may not have found "Jesus" but he's obviously found Jordan Peterson. Objectively false, yet Psychologically true is JBP's core thesis.
@christopherphoenix3334
@christopherphoenix3334 4 года назад
Tübermensch Darren’s been speaking this content since the 90s. Long before JBP’s hit the mainstream. Even referenced Hume from the enlightenment.
@bebeezra
@bebeezra 4 года назад
@@christopherphoenix3334 I could be totally wrong & would welcome being corrected, but I've followed Derren much longer than JBP, and never heard Derren use the _"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater"_ idiom pertaining to the importance of not throwing out the symbolic *_"psychological truths"_* with the *_"objectively false"_* historical claims & dogma of religious myth(s). Peterson's 1999 book, *_"Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief."_* as well as his University of Toronto Lectures of the same name flesh out and defend that overarching thesis. With JBP explicitly using the _"baby with the bathwater"_ idiom several times to convey the same point Derren just did in this video. _And that's that - Bucko!_ 😉
@darren.davies3957
@darren.davies3957 4 года назад
Nietzsche got it so right, we are still suffering after killing God, people need a meaning to life, so create your own and make it a great one, have a good day!!!
@darren.davies3957
@darren.davies3957 4 года назад
Clarence Spangle Nietzsche despised Christianity, he thought there was a slave mentality to it, he had a glowing admiration for the Jews and he deplored nationalism, have a good day
@TheCluelessgenius
@TheCluelessgenius 4 года назад
Using the phrases: "throwing out the baby with the bathwater", and "archetypal"... So he definitely Jordan Petersons...
@LeandroAlmeida108
@LeandroAlmeida108 4 года назад
Thats not Jordan Peterson, thats Jung
@Crispman_777
@Crispman_777 4 года назад
It's a fairly simple concept with an obvious turth to it, after all it's not only religion that uses archetypal stories. Jordan Peterson didn't invent that message, he just repackaged it to sound more complicated than it is and built a career off of it.
@stuartjones1982
@stuartjones1982 2 года назад
Go watch showman then tell me your a skeptic
@amoment3339
@amoment3339 2 года назад
@JPAnimations
@JPAnimations 4 года назад
There is no Extraordinary Evidence. Only evidence.
@claudiaxander
@claudiaxander 4 года назад
what else would you call an epic mountain of evidence, as we have for something as world changing as evolution etc. When people make supernatural claims we need very strong multiple points of evidence pointing towards forces as yet not understood.
@amberrichards2778
@amberrichards2778 4 года назад
I think he's making a reference to Carl Sagan's "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
@claudiaxander
@claudiaxander 4 года назад
@@amberrichards2778 precisely. Damn if there was one human i would clone a thousand times it's Sagan!
@timdowney6721
@timdowney6721 4 года назад
Better, I think, to speak of sufficient evidence.
@Matthew-ob7vb
@Matthew-ob7vb 4 года назад
Alright let's cut my mother in law in half now !!
@SunbatherInTheSnow
@SunbatherInTheSnow 4 месяца назад
I love the "do it with my woman" bit!
@GB-pq2to
@GB-pq2to 4 года назад
Remove the jinn or am telling the world what you have done to me
@humerasyeda3523
@humerasyeda3523 2 года назад
What do u mean?
@handaruaditomo6887
@handaruaditomo6887 4 года назад
holyshit he's old now
@allyzhou552
@allyzhou552 4 года назад
who else is watching this video for psychology homework
@TheSubpremeState
@TheSubpremeState 4 года назад
Take DMT...... I'll say no more
@TheSubpremeState
@TheSubpremeState 4 года назад
@kshiftkometh what's reality? 🤣🤣 More on
@TheSubpremeState
@TheSubpremeState 4 года назад
@kshiftkometh You might want to watch the channels video on how we evolved to see whats not real.
@guesswhoami4723
@guesswhoami4723 4 года назад
I don’t understand why he needed to mention he’s an Athiest...
@ShawnRavenfire
@ShawnRavenfire 4 года назад
To put into context that he wasn't knocking atheism?
@sophonax661
@sophonax661 4 года назад
I don't understand why it's a problem that he mentioned that he's an Atheist...
@Jakeassimilate
@Jakeassimilate 4 года назад
He mentioned it because it was relevant to the topic he was talking about. Most people stop believing in god because they realise there's no evidence for it. Which is basically what skepticism is .
@davidmurphy563
@davidmurphy563 4 года назад
How to do critical thinking: from the man that tells people that the reveal to his lottery trick is the power of collective thought (or some such pseudoscientific nonsense) rather than a split screen effect with programmed camera motion. Hypocrite.
@Crispman_777
@Crispman_777 4 года назад
Well that's the difference between his magician stage persona and his actual opinion. He's admitted this countless times, even in this video!
@davidmurphy563
@davidmurphy563 4 года назад
@@Crispman_777 Well that's a bit like saying it's fine the used car salesman lied because that's his sales persona. I don't know if you know the trick I'm referring to but he promised repeatedly to reveal how it was done and then outright lied. With pseudoscience no less. What's the difference between his behaviour and a preacher who claims to make the blind see on stage?
@davidmurphy563
@davidmurphy563 4 года назад
@@Crispman_777 I guess what I'm saying is that the difference between a magician and a charlatan (healer, psychic, etc) is that if you ask the magician if it's a trick they say yes, of course it is. The charlatan lies. If the magician tells you the trick wasn't done with video editing then you should admire their talent all the more. Ask them how they did it and you'll likely get a tap on the nose. You tell me - which is Derren more like? The magician or the charlatan?
@Crispman_777
@Crispman_777 4 года назад
@@davidmurphy563 I'd argue it depends on the venue and what the audience has paid to see. Although I know he makes much more effort to say "THIS IS A TRICK" at his performances now than he used to. Which trick are you referring to?
@davidmurphy563
@davidmurphy563 4 года назад
@@Crispman_777 It was pretty much his biggest trick. He "predicted" the National Lottery (in the event it was a postdiction of course) - I'm sure it'll be online somewhere. Technically, it was a very good trick, it used cutting edge tech very cleverly and he's very talented. My problems were: - he repeatedly promised to reveal the trick. He came across as sincere and honest in this. He made a whole follow up show around this promise during which before every break promised to reveal it after the break over and over. - he specifically and explicitly denied the actual way the trick was done when it was correctly guessed. He said words to the effect of "it was not done like that", when it in fact was. - his final "reveal" was an outright lie, was effectively a magical explanation which made no more sense than saying he could commune with the dead. He was as convincing as he was able to be (which is very). - there was no "contract to mislead" like you get with a normal magician or actor. Like when everybody knows the actor isn't saying what they really believe. The explanation/lie was straightfaced meant purely to deceive people into the existence of something magical which is totally untrue and quite impossible. Hence charlatan.
@tonyburton419
@tonyburton419 4 года назад
You have been listening to Bret Weinstein. Religion literally false, but potentially metaphorically true, serving a not always obvious evolutionary function... perhaps?
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