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Psychopathic Traits, Police, & Heroism (Successul Psychopathy) 

Dr. Todd Grande
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This video answers the question: What is the relationship between heroism and psychopathy? First let's start with the concept of psychopathy. Psychopathy is really a paradox in terms of the traits that are encompassed in the definition. Oftentimes we see psychopathy divided into two factors, factor 1 and factor 2 traits. There's this two-factor model and sometimes we also see three and four factor models of psychopathy. Some of the traits we see associated with psychopathy would include superficial charm, low anxiety, grandiosity, antisocial behavior, low levels of empathy, or lack of empathy, impulsivity, irresponsibility, and sensation-seeking. Now we can think about these two factors I mentioned before as interpersonal/emotional as one and lifestyle-behavioral as the other. With factor 1 we see traits like that superficial charm and grandiosity and with factor 2, we see antisocial behaviors, impulsivity, irresponsibility, and sensation-seeking. Generally, we think of factor 1 as primary psychopathy and factor 2 as secondary psychopathy. I talk about these constructs in a prior video. Now we can also look at psychopathy from a slightly different angle by using an instrument that's very popular to measure psychopathy: Psychopathic Personality Inventory Revised. Here we see dimensions like dominance like physical fearlessness, stress, immunity, and that superficial charm (this is usually considered adaptive). We also see self-centered impulsivity. This has the antisocial traits under it and coldheartedness, which would be lack of empathy, lack of guilt, and lack of attachment to other people. This brings me to the idea of successful psychopathy. This is a theory on the study of psychopathy and it says that some of the traits associated with success really align with some of the traits we see with psychopathy like narcissism, fearlessness, and sensation-seeking. We know from studies on leadership for example that there are both pros and cons associated with psychopathic traits. On the positive side we see strategic thinking, better communication skills, and high levels of conscientiousness. On the negative side we see individuals who are poor team players and have dysfunctional management styles. With the theory of successful psychopathy in mind we take a look at the particular studies here related to psychopathy and heroism. What were the results from these studies? When they compared first responders and a number of heroic acts to a control group they found that both heroism and altruism were positively associated with narcissism, boldness, and sensation-seeking but also with interpersonal workplace deviance and workplace conduct problems. So what we really see here from this study is that there's a theory that antisocial and prosocial behaviors are opposite poles of the same dimension. But that doesn't seem to be the case. These results indicate that antisocial and prosocial behaviors relate in a more complex way. Now a word of caution about these results, and this was made clear in both of these studies, this doesn't mean that first responders have psychopathy. That's not what's indicated by these results. It means that there are certain psychopathic traits that were more elevated in first responders. Another important point when interpreting the results of these studies is the psychopathy is complex and dimensional. These are several traits that load together on this construct of psychopathy but together they represent a paradox. We see adaptive traits and maladaptive traits. So somebody really isn't psychopathic or not psychopathic, rather there are particular levels on certain traits.
Patton, C. L., Smith, S. F., & Lilienfeld, S. O. (2018). Psychopathy and heroism in first responders: Traits cut from the same cloth? Personality Disorders: Theory, Research, and Treatment, 9(4), 354-368.
Falkenbach, D. M., Balash, J., Tsoukalas, M., Stern, S., & Lilienfeld, S. O. (2018). From theoretical to empirical: Considering reflections of psychopathy across the thin blue line. Personality Disorders: Theory, Research, and Treatment, 9(5), 420-428.

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@karencollyer9565
@karencollyer9565 5 лет назад
My ex husband is a policeman of 36 years, my doctor told me that he is a Sociapath. He abused me and my daughter ( from my first marriage ) very badly...My daughter is still not well from the abuse... His step daughter from ( his first marriage ) run away at 14 years old and never came back again...My doctor was glad that I was away from him, because she said they can be dangerous to be around...My ex said there was a fine line between a policeman and a criminal....Also he didn’t know how to love either....👮🏻‍♀️😢.
@andreamura1333
@andreamura1333 4 года назад
Yet for some reason you left your first husband to put yourself and your daughter in danger with him, no offence but you either are incapable of understand what you are doing or you pick your partners with the same criteria of a teenage girls instead of a mother.
@RedHairdo
@RedHairdo 4 года назад
@@andreamura1333 You bring up a possibility, but not a certainty. You (and I) do not know the exact details of her past to be able to judge in any informed manner.
@janicedixon2051
@janicedixon2051 5 лет назад
I never thought about this topic before but I can see how first responders would be the ones with psychopathic traits. I need to read this study, very interesting topic.
@kathyvenne3885
@kathyvenne3885 4 года назад
I think narcissist con and outsmart most. There's a lot of Narcissists in Law Enforcement and they are hurting Law Enforcement big time right now. I believe they're outsmarting everyone.
@jasa9707
@jasa9707 5 лет назад
Having spent 30 years in the Army and 10 years as in Law Enforcement, the police recruits most probably returned such results for cold-hearted-ness because in both jobs you are taught to control your emotions. Part of the training, especially in the Army for example, is to put recruits in extremely physically and psychologically arduous conditions forcing them out of their comfort zones. Literally pushing people to their breaking point and holding them there. They are taught to control their emotions, especially their aggression; being able to turn it on and off like a light switch. In dangerous situations you cannot let your emotions get the better of you, you need to be able to remain calm and level headed, so that you make decisions based on nothing but logic and rationale and not on feelings. If you make bad decisions because your emotions get the better of you, the wrong people die.
@kathyvenne3885
@kathyvenne3885 4 года назад
I get what your saying but there's Narcissists in Law Enforcement and they are hurting Law Enforcement big time right now. For some reason they are blending in with the good guy's and no one is catching on.
@ellashealthnhappiness5040
@ellashealthnhappiness5040 4 года назад
@@kathyvenne3885 I totally agree with you! I am a very warm and sensitive person, but I have trained myself strong (not cold!) and I remind myself not to let neither my feelings or my logic overwhelm my judgement. I have met people in police forces, who completly lack empathy and are defenitely not helping anyone except themselves. That is why I am extremely suspicious of the whole so called ”justice system”.
@csm8245
@csm8245 4 года назад
One year of traininig in a German paratrooper company made me that way. My wife describes me as emotionally cold. In situations with accidents, I remain calm and act like a machine, doing everything necessary step by step. I guess I could watch an axe murder from my balcony and call the police and they wouldn't take me seriously because of the unemotional report of the incident. It has its pros and cons.
@sadsackkvisling9694
@sadsackkvisling9694 4 года назад
Golly gee officer, perhaps you are a crminal.
@rarecockneyguvnor4945
@rarecockneyguvnor4945 4 года назад
@@ellashealthnhappiness5040 I totally agree believe it or not some Psychiatrists are Psychopathic
@P.L.M.
@P.L.M. 3 года назад
I was told by a psychologist that law enforcement types are like this already so they seek those type of jobs.
@ayaseaime5876
@ayaseaime5876 5 лет назад
I’ve read before that some people are born as psychopaths, and these are the “pure” psychopaths who have a different brain structure and therefore show many traits of psychopathy. And these traits are a result of having low emotions in general. But also anyone can show psychopathic traits because psychopathy is on a spectrum. People who are high on this spectrum with high levels of intelligence and impulse control may become very successful in life, while those with low intelligence and were perhaps raised in a poor environment are more prone to committing antisocial acts and ending up in jail.
@monnntecur953
@monnntecur953 5 лет назад
Ayase Aime So true. I was born in a bad environment and I was so close to going to jail many times but always managed to sweet talk my way out. Since I was diagnosed it all made sense
@jackrainwater7966
@jackrainwater7966 5 лет назад
Please start posting links your relevant videos and studies in the description. Oh and please do video on Stockholm syndrome.
@angelinastanton7996
@angelinastanton7996 5 лет назад
This was a great review of psychopathy and psychopathic traits. It was interesting to learn how certain traits are sometimes noticeable in first responders.
@neitik1179
@neitik1179 5 лет назад
This is interesting. I've read how some authors argue, that you cannot define person as being psychopathic if they are low on anxiety and fear, but at the same time they aren't also low on agreeableness and/or conscientiousness. I kind of like that idea, because the main reason people distinct psychopaths, is their callousness and the charm added to that. So someone having just one trait associated to psychopathy wouldn't make them having psychopathic traits. It's important to evaluate which traits are more defining and which are less defining. Maybe there is another personality-type, which is low on fear and is sensation seeking, but isn't callous? Those same authors mentioned also other prototype of "successful psychopath" as being mainly callous, but more conscientious (meaning low factor2), and question if we can call that same construct either. This found link between factor 1 and factor 2 is interesting, and maybe some of it is due to a statistical error because psychopaths has been mainly studied in prisons, and the psychopath-population there could be different than the psychopath-population which doesn't get into prison. I still don't know if a psychopath could be highly conscientious because it seems that even the psychopaths in high positions didn't do the work getting there themselves, they mainly got there by taking advantage on others and using their charm (not hard work). But I don't know research on this, I don't know for sure, so it should be studied more. And another thing, I think that these altruistic acts mentioned here are more about the thrill-seeking and admiration-seeking narcissistic or psychopathic people have. It's too simple to think, that narcissistic people wouldn't do anything like that because they don't care. They might have another reasons for doing things like that, not the one that people usually think first. So many times this happens in a way that when a narcissistic person does an altruistic act, people label them as a hero and think they had altruistic motives for doing that. The reality could be something very different, and their motives could be far from altruism. That doesn't make their acts wrong, they did help that person, and that matters too. So it's complicated.
@ononono7016
@ononono7016 5 лет назад
How likely is it that therapists with diagnostics don't try to diagnose you (when you are younger and don't show extreme traits), out of fear for stigmas?
@rhondabaileyyy
@rhondabaileyyy 5 лет назад
Great video exploring the relationship between the traits of first responders and psychopathy.
@rejaneoliveira5019
@rejaneoliveira5019 4 года назад
Fascinating analysis! How intricate psychopathy can be, the studies you mentioned were very interesting. Thank you for another amazing video Dr. Grande!
@johnharrisjr2808
@johnharrisjr2808 5 лет назад
Great explanation of psychopathic traits and successful psychopathy
@vanessasouthern1792
@vanessasouthern1792 4 года назад
I got arrested and man handled by a police woman younger than me....I felt her energy and it was wicked. She was getting pleasure from handcuffing me when I was distressed and compliant.(I moved my car in an empty locked open car park after a beer in the summer.) I’m in the UK, they haven’t the intel to find real criminals. I was an easy target to fulfil number crunching targets. I found it weird she had so much Botox and lip fillers I thought it very strange. She seemed jealous I was having fun and free at the beach. She’s lied about what I said in the report. She refused to let me take my medication and took pleasure from this. ‘schadenfreude!’
@veronicabetz9452
@veronicabetz9452 5 лет назад
This video was an eyeopener! Thanks!
@pocoeagle2
@pocoeagle2 5 лет назад
Thank you Dr. Grande for posting this interesting video and the many efforts in creating all these excellent videos on RU-vid. Greetings from Holland 👋
@TheAlphaWaves
@TheAlphaWaves 5 лет назад
Thank you for your videos, they're very concise and informative! Could you make a video on psychiatric semiology?!
@virginiamurrey9139
@virginiamurrey9139 5 лет назад
This video provided details on heroism and psychopathy. I learned information that I had not previously know.
@angelinastanton7996
@angelinastanton7996 5 лет назад
I also learned a lot from this short video clip. It was a lot to take in, and I will plan to review it again in the future.
@kelly4321
@kelly4321 5 лет назад
A lot of information to take in but very good to know and keep in mind.
@janakakumara3836
@janakakumara3836 4 года назад
Dr Grande, could you comment on where the most vigorous research in to mental illness is happening in the world today? Which locations and which universities. Is the private sector involved in this research? Where does most of the funding come from.
@philipmarkedwards
@philipmarkedwards 5 лет назад
I had guessed that on a normalized curve there would be a higher incidence of psychopathy in policing. I would guess at least 10%.
@paper-chasepublications9433
@paper-chasepublications9433 4 года назад
I just asked this question on a newer video of yours yesterday, then I saw this video on my RU-vid home page today. These AI algorithms...🤔 Anyway, thanks for the information, Doc!
@kirya7177
@kirya7177 4 года назад
I don't really get it, if Psychopaths luck emotions, how can they be impulsive ?
@B.I.-EIO_macdonald9786
@B.I.-EIO_macdonald9786 4 года назад
Darn Tooting it’s informative. Thanks
@mohammadbutt2110
@mohammadbutt2110 4 года назад
Always good
@AnotherGlenn
@AnotherGlenn 4 года назад
My brother (8 years older) began attacking me when I took my first steps. The violence was tacitly approved by mom and dad. The violence continued until he left for the army. Everything he does has something to do with being dominant over someone. Air cadets, army, militia (Canada), went to university with the aim of being a gym teacher and flunked out, was a sheriff, coaches girls rugby and known as an asshole about it. I know he wanted to kill me. I was in real danger from my mother, too, especially in the first few weeks.
@thenarcissistsscapegoat5091
@thenarcissistsscapegoat5091 5 лет назад
Psychopathic traits are in my opinion as different than having psychopathy as having a few cute moles on your torso is to having stage-four metastatic skin-cancer. One can be cute, the other is fatal.
@user-jp1hs6sl3h
@user-jp1hs6sl3h Месяц назад
I'd just like to say that there could be an argument made about the anti-social vs. pro-social. Because the anti-social traits are most often found in direct relation to psychopathy and its subsidiaries. It's kind of ingrained in who they are because they see nothing wrong with doing bad things. And I think the pro-social is more of a learned process. Or it was trained in. Like another comment had stated about how they train for military. They train you to be in that "psychopath" mindset for war. Even if you yourself are not a psychopath. And so it could be said that, though there are similarities in behaviors or traits shown, there is s stark difference in who they are as a person. The Psychopath is a psychopath no matter how you look at it. And probably >95% of all psychopaths are anti-social. Meaning having a propensity to do harm to others with no regard for consequences. It's the anti-social asoect that makes them inherently "bad". While the pro-social can be formed by similar circumstances. Although it's fundamentally different in how it presents itself. Because the person may not be devoid of "human" characteristics. They were just trained out through the external environment that they were raised or have lived. By those same kinds of rigorous psychological stimuli. More of repressed rather than non-existent. That's the difference between anti-social and pro-social. Whether or not there's a person behind the mask or just an empty shell
@jemgem9593
@jemgem9593 5 лет назад
Interesting as always Dr Grande. Interestingly, many years ago myself scored very low in fact the lowest out of a lecture hall of 100+ students in the Sensation Seekers test. Thus, a very low need for sensation seeking and adrenaline hits, excitement etc, etc. Also I remember the lecturer explaining that some police people can share similar adrenaline needs to criminals, but go down the police route instead of the crime route. Not sure if I'm explaining it correctly, but it certainly made me think less naively about the notion that all criminals and all crime fighters are at opposite ends of a spectrum.
@iamlight1
@iamlight1 5 лет назад
Surgeons!
@nokoolaid
@nokoolaid 2 месяца назад
Question is, is psychopathy more prevalent in those jobs than the general population? It is in a big way with executives and leaders.
@post-leftluddite
@post-leftluddite 4 года назад
Can you talk about the overwhelming presence of Right-wing Authoritarianism and Social Dominance Orientation among the police? While this is only my opinion, I believe these two personality types are at the root of corrupt and brutal police behavior.
@Anu_Vlog945
@Anu_Vlog945 5 лет назад
Sir can u speak how to reduce physcopath desies?
@coolstoolgames8374
@coolstoolgames8374 4 года назад
Unnati Haldar it's genetic I don't think you can
@feralbluee
@feralbluee 4 года назад
you are always so fair and unbiased. :). not many people are so intelligent and just jump on words to describe behaviors when they really know nothing. (just an aside: i have realized that the less people know or can know about something, the more confrontational they are, so i don’t converse with them anymore. they won’t see anything but their own opinion. it’s just frustrating not interesting. of course, there is, as always, a continuum to this trait.) i have wondered about some police persons at times. but i’ve also read about surgeons having that closed off emotional quality. is that psychopathy and/or Asperger’s? not all surgeons, of course, have this behavior, but a lot do, especially as the surgery gets more complicated and tricky. have you already covered this topic? thanks again. Keep safe 🌷🌱🌿🌸🌱🌼🌷
@bartakin
@bartakin 4 года назад
I AGREE WITH THE OTHERS ..I VIEW IT AS TRAINING AND A FEW MAY SLIP IN THE DOOR ...THAT COULD BE HORRIFIC CRIMINALS...SEVERAL CASES FIT THIS PROFILE..IN GENERAL THEY ARE DEDICATED AND OF SERVICE...
@JohnVandivier
@JohnVandivier 4 года назад
subbed af
@xivwords5448
@xivwords5448 5 лет назад
Non psychopaths that think they’ll get praise and women overrides fear of safety
@daynight3174
@daynight3174 5 лет назад
Thank you! 😎
@GavinsMarineMom
@GavinsMarineMom 5 лет назад
Drew Peterson comes to mind....
@MegaTrivial
@MegaTrivial 5 лет назад
Psychopathic traits, Pryshiatrists themselves
@rarecockneyguvnor4945
@rarecockneyguvnor4945 4 года назад
You got that right !
@beyondbeauty6921
@beyondbeauty6921 5 лет назад
Dr Grande Am I right in that your a councillor not a licensed psychiatrist, as the treatment advice will differ, Thx Doc!
@ShawnaHill83
@ShawnaHill83 5 лет назад
What about the mental health of settlers who attempted genocide and succeeded in slavery? That would be interesting. And the DNA changes the trauma caused in those effected? I'm curious because both my parents were residential school survivors and I've read it goes deeper then just PTSD and how some babies can be born with PTSD.
@FivesEyes
@FivesEyes 5 лет назад
Look up Ashkanazi Jewish intelligence.
@suterfire
@suterfire 5 лет назад
Shawna rocks her feathers with hoops williams Epigenetics is a fascinating area of study. Bruce Lipton & Rachel Yehuda are two great resources. I would love to learn more about Native American psychologists who are looking at intergenerational trauma.
@PrivateAckbar
@PrivateAckbar 5 лет назад
That sounds completely environmental. How could someone be born with PTSD? If you feel like you have a mental health problem you should get help rather than developing an interest philosophically. You don't need to become a psychologist or a sociologist to get healthy.
@suk4honesty
@suk4honesty 5 лет назад
I’m Mexican American and I often wonder about the thought process of colonizers...Columbus himself raped children....anyway indigenous Americans (by that I mean all the americas) are incredibly strong, “they” have been trying to eradicate you guys for hundreds of years and keep failing. I have a bit of indigenous ancestry but I am basically mixed.
@LittleLulubee
@LittleLulubee 5 лет назад
Babies fresh out of the womb have not experienced any trauma, (unless the birth experience itself was physically traumatic), so there’s no way they can have post-traumatic stress. But children learn beliefs, emotional regulation, maladaptive behaviors, and so many other things from their family. I’m sure there are some kids whose parents have PTSD, who feel like they have it, too- because they have internalized their parents experience.
@xivwords5448
@xivwords5448 5 лет назад
James Bond hooduni
@sadsackkvisling9694
@sadsackkvisling9694 4 года назад
Funny. These screws could be good crims.
@Minneolaos
@Minneolaos Год назад
Psychopaths are not narcissistic in the grandiose narcissist sense. They are egocentric instead.
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