This is someone's opinion. It's not an attempt to change history...especially Raymond Washington's. The fact is that Raymond Washington is not only synonymous with the Crip inception, he is the father of CRIP. Like Joe is the Father of HOOVER. Peace to the East Side.
The word crips is plural meaning more than 1 so Raymond couldn't start crips by him self, so we are saying Raymond said I am crip and others said can I join your crip no didn't happen like that, so what I am saying is there were a group of guys not 1 who stared the and agreed on the name like Craig Craddock, Bulldog, AC Babalouie and etc. there crews already East West Compton Gardena Long Beach etc they just adopted the last name and some drop it
Saying James Edgar Hoova was Black is not a opinion, that is a Lie… And you are trying to change history, James Edgar Hoova Hated Black People. He told them the FBI will not Protect Black Leaders from the KKK
What up cuhz! Big S Loc in the building! Holy Park Grooving! Shout to all the Grooves in LA who started this Groove thang! HIP OG Rico OG Peanutt Lil Wolf Linda Loco OG Scanzy H-Lōc Lil Spoon Fatts Hoover D OG Big Spoon Beeker Loc OG D Loc(Dennis) And many more that took this Groove thang in Seattle serious and lost their lives. Please excuse me if I didn’t list all Hoovmies fallen! HIP to all the fallen Grooves! One nation under tha Groove!
@@lisamore53I met grxxv3 once he was older I went to see fat bacc in the hospital on a 107th b4 he died took cuh a bacon sandwich 🥪 lmao I'm from north carolina I been 107 since 2002 I love those guys
I see young T-Bird up there a key factor in securing 92nd and Hoover from the 90s I would say I was with Scooby1 one day when I met him he had a Jheri curl back then.
This dude putting on extras he may have came after we had to leave cause all the big homies had hot ones and then they start getting us, it was open field after that , we didn’t wanna be over there no more once I dumped Chairmain it was a rap, 90’s ran from nobody
I'm OG 90, when we were Hoover's. I have nothing negative to say about this channel, but ain't nobody ran 90wes from nowhere. Everything 90wes did was by choice. I hung out on 92nd N Hoover from 78 to 1990. Only 9duce was allowed over there were BigDopey, Dirty Red, Crazy Crip, Pocket and his brothers. One of Pocket's brothers was from 90.. I remember when Wizard from 9duce tried to pull up on 92nd tryN to fat mouth and Fonn (RIP) beat the breaks off his ass. Never seen another 9duce on 92nd afterwards. Big Ghost lived on 92nd for many years. I still have major respect for Hoover. Hoover taught me how to crip, but let's feel it real. Ain't No TBird R anyone else ran off any WSR90Crips. Much Respect to this channel Bojacc
A Real one talking real talk.Love to the 90owes. Big Ghost,poppa bird, Kujo, cowboy, Dman, L Dog, looney,Lil looney,Craybone, Raw Dog, Lil man, EJ, too cool, and many more my cousin todd was from 90 i used to bend corners with them niggas bacc in the 80's and 90's opened up spots in the valley and Hollywood them niggas was no joke and like Craybone said ran from nobody..
The groove was not the reason the 90s left that side it was the homie internal beef with in the 90s I was there from beginning to end.. I lost a sister in all that..
Bub you know I love and respect your platform and won’t ever come on the comments and say any criticism about anyone.I respect his opinion but AC bobalouie gave the rundown on how everything started man they weren’t even a spin off the black panthers they were young brothers in poverty that were misguided. Dead eye Clint an another original crip said they were never branched off of the panthers nor had an acronym, they made it into an acronym in prison. But I respect their opinions salute to this OG and all the other brothers with this opinion.
@L.C.1993, I hear you. And I've heard everything you're commenting on. When I speak about Crip as an acronym I am referring to it as the dialog around it evolved in the prison system, when discussing politics that did exist in the community. Now, Crip as I know it...came from RW, that's the history lesson I received from OG Crips from all over Los Angeles, Compton and Watts, not the Black Panthers, not the united states government via co-intel pro or the c.i.a. The last 6 episodes have all been opinionated, not necessarily FACTUAL, I know. This is why I say it is imperative that Founders, OG's, and reputables make their way here to establish and speak on not just Hoover history, but Crip history as well as it relates to our origins, our experiences, and history. Peace. Appreciate your involvement.
Peace I hear,what the brother saying and he absolutely right,born universal truth,he saying this is my opinion,not a fact,this is just what I think,so y'all just dont jump down the big homie throat😊
Raymond started Crip. If you know your history all the ORIGINAL CRIPS are the same age or younger than Raymond so how was it older guys already Crips??
It's crazy how the Hoover OG'S still rep Crip throughout all the Crip on Crip wars, they never folded to the flip, they just stepped harder. Whoever made the decision to fold probably was a disappointment to the real OG'S that put they life on the line, died, or doing major time for the for Crippin. To fold and flip all because the beef was too crucial! Salute to the ones that stayed 10 toes down to the Crippin and never folded to the flip, they got heart fareal!
Not all together. AC Moses said it was Crip and he was there when it originated with Raymond, sugar bear,etc. He said they just heard it wrong and ran with it. His story lines up
For The Record and the Sake of Historical Accuracy, The Street Gang Called the Crips was started and founded by a 15yrs Old Juvenile Delinquent by the name of Raymond Washington in the Summer of 1969 on the Eastside of South Central with his Roll Dog Craig Craddock. Raymond Washington and the Original Crew of Crips were not Black Revolutionaries or involved in Black Liberation or Civil Rights Movements. Raymond Washington and his Crew of Crips went on a Campaign from Fremont, to Locke, to Washington High Schools recruiting other Juvenile Street Gangs to Join their Juvenile Street Gang. Majority of the Original Crips were High School Drop Outs, in and out of the Halls, Camps and CYA for commenting crimes. In 1972, the Crips were in fullfledge Gang Wars with the Brims , RIP Lil Country, with the Chain Gang RIP Douglas Green, with the Hoover Families RIP Anthony Mack, with the Pirus RIP Bartner & Tam in 1975 & 1976....
Salute Joe. Now on the Raymond and Craig part all Crips in my opinion mentioned them but they don't say AC Bobalouie. I never asked why that is, but it's obvious.
Peace to the Gods!!! Momentum started. Thank you Homies for the knowledge wisdom and understanding. Keep Grxxving your Grxxve! Respectfully IKing Allah
Peace God,I be Knowledge Born Allah,I rest in Rich-mind Victory Allah aka Richmond Va,I see you come in the family name,so we family,our Fat-her being Allah,it's good to see the knowledge spread,where you from God?What mile did you get the knowledge?Who was your enlightener?I just did the knowledge to the O.Gs on the Hoover podcast,I consider this apart of the Blackman history being we all one,facts.Have you ever gangbanged?I fast and pray you see my comment so we can build Sun,Peace to you and Peace to the O.Gs writing this present day history
I get what he is saying.. but everybody wasn’t a blood. The older generation had black pride and that was a word of solidarity OUTSIDE of gangbangin. What’s up blood as a gang term specifically is completely different then what’s up blood before hand. You can’t combine the two. And the crips weren’t a spin off of the black panthers homeboy don’t distort crip history! I want to here this Hoover history from the horses mouth and love this channel but can’t have brothas on here talking opinions when we are talking about history much love tho still homie I haven’t even made it through the interview yet man and homie said he remembered the 65 riots but is a 70’s baby. Cmon homie he is just putting out misinformation out there homie this channel is too good for this to be on here gotta keep it authentic
I hear you, and I concur. The history can't allowed be distorted by opinion. And it won't. We have to trust that those that came before, those that know, will CORRECT the chronological and historical text of Hoover and Crip history. This is why IT IS significant THAT DAY ONES FROM HOOVER, AND OTHER CRIP SETS SHARE THEIR ORIGINS OF THE HISTORY BASED ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCES WITH THOSE LIKE the RAYMOND WASHINGTON, AND HOOVER JOE. It is not enough to criticize from the shadows while individuals, as it is being said, distort HOOVER and CRIP ORIGINS AND HISTORY. THE PLATFORM EXIST TO REFUTE INCORRECT STATEMENTS AND HISTORY. JOIN IN THE CONVERSATION.
I like his spin on the underground crips...its a cool story but i dont think Crip got that deep and intellectual until 1973 when they matured their cripping and did some jail time and got in some books. I believe the only Crib (Crip) on that kind of black revolutionary wave would be Ray Cook since he was the only Black Panther that turned Crip to my knowledge. I hope he can come on the show.
As the history taught to myself, RW was like 15 they were the youngn’s of the older generation ( Cribs ) in which RW and them went by the name ( Baby Cribs ), and from a typo in the paper of murder of the kid for his leather jacket or a misunderstanding because of canes they had been witnessed to always walked with ( Baby Crips or Crips ) … once again this is how it was given to me and I appreciate everyone opinion
It makes sense that the "Underground" C.R.I. P movement (not the present day UGC gang) existed when Raymond started the C.R.I.B.S. as a young spinoff of the Movement. That's why most OG CrIps are confused about their Crip history, when both can factually be true. Raymond started Cribs in 1969, which eventually solidified the C.R.I.P Movement that steamrolled the Los Angeles streets in the 70s and 80s.
@UnderThaGroove needs to structure the platform around Hoover history. Because it becomes confusing when the guest mix their personal opinions with the facts. There's a difference between black history, Crip History, and Hoover history , We need to stay on track.
What 'Under Tha Groove' is going to do is...1, allow facts to be disseminated and shared with those who seek the historical truth about our culture while 2, also allowing those with varying perspectives and yes opinions to speak...not to confuse, but to offer up a view or judgment of something not necessarily based on the facts or knowledge that others have put forth. 'Under Tha Groove' is on track...it's been stated on this platform that if for any reason someone wants to refute something that someone else said historically... you are more than welcome to come on the platform and refute it! Opinions are purposely allowed to create dialog... not to create confusion, nor to recreate or rewrite history anyones history.
TbH Ion knock him for his beliefs But Raymond is Founder and Father There’s nothing u can do to persuade me he isn’t He is the first to ever say something like this that I’ve heard
All respect to the OGs because they know more than me but the government wasn’t walking around asking mfs is this crip or what 😂😂. We know OG Raymond didn’t start “gangs” because it was gangs/cliques already in existence ie The Avenues/Outlaws but nobody was saying “This Crip” before Raymond and Tookie
And we were never slaves . Learn the root of a word . Slave comes from the root word Slav . Slavs are the Slavic people aka white people. We were prisoners of war in our own land . ✊🏾✊🏾
Bring TS BAC WITH THE QUICKNESS..... HOMIE WAAAAAAAAY OFF. YOU GOTTA KNOW THE BLK PANTHER HISTORY CORRECT TO SPEAK ON IT....... Give the Homie Some HISTORY BOOKS. Pleaseeeeeeeeee!! Have him sit down with his own Big homies. He need to go Visit JOE for some teaching!!!
Ok the Panthers,the US movement, Malcolm and Martin ( as allegory ) was referenced what was the Nation of Islam get down at this time respectfully. I can just Google it ✌🏽
“The Cribs….Oh yeah that’s the original name of the Crips”……Raymond Cook (Bonsallo Crip)…..”If you came across Raymond Washington back then he would have hit you with Crib”……..Barefoot Pookie (Blocc Crip/Underground Crip/Godfather Crip/Paybacc Crip)…….
AC Moses said it was Crips. Not cribs. But I know how people repeat what they think they heard. I got a cousin that called his big homeboy Cow. But it really was Cal. Just like in the comments someone called you big Bug. And you corrected him. Just my understanding of how things get misconstrued. Not saying there wasn’t a crib. It may have been both but just misunderstanding. Taking into account. The cribs were baby cribs. What y’all think. Now I don’t claim to know any facts in this case. Lol. I’m just expressing opinions.. which right there alone. Is a problem. Lol
@@OldSoulwithAColdStroll i understand that because they both grew up around the same people but AC is 2 years older than TS. That’s why i say they may have both existed but misconstrued because AC was there when it originated. Also Craig monson said it was Crip and
Elevate your mind. Groove beyond the BS we've been fed, taught, and brainwashed with. Many BLACKS passed for white. They treated other blacks in the worst way to surpress, annihilate, and wipe out their own quicker than whites did, to fit in and escape themselves the same persecution and discrimination they helped to enact and enforce. I guess you would also run with the thought that Barack Obama was the only black president, huh? Elevate, bro.
T'Birds age is irrelevant. His presence on 'Under Tha Groove' was possible based on a request that was honored. He upheld and respected all protocols. His behavior was exemplary.
@@UnderThaGroove there was no motive behind me asking his age except me wondering if it was the same one that used to be on Barringcross behind Bret Harte around 86-88....thats it thats all..... During that time frame 95PBS had that area behind the school...on 92nd street you had a choice back then to which RTD bus to take.......walk to Vermont you had to deal with PBS, walk to Fig you had to deal with WC90.. PBS were sweating dudes walking down 92nd passing Barringcross to Vermont bus stop......
Yeah, I hear you. I'm not speaking to who or what (you say) T'Bird is/was. So, you know @joemosley9383, I don't mean to sound as though I'm being offensive or disrespectful to you. Your comments, since you've been placing them on the 'Under Tha Groove', have been, are, some of the best to date. Appreciate your involvement.
These made up acronyms after the fact are false and makes shit goofy. It’s a shame we can’t get the history straight without all the extra yeast added to it
When you say is he from the set bro remember you got bangers and members the question you should be asking should be asked to him not the next person. Trust me nobody wanna freely clam the set if he claim it then he from it and milk from over here bro but you won’t know where he from until you pull up on him and ask him and since you said you saw him in action once then he shouldn’t be hard for you to find.
