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PTR vs. DSA (G3 vs. FAL) - biased and not a buyer's guide?? 

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@TEXASREDD76
@TEXASREDD76 2 года назад
The G3 has many different stocks available actually the telescoping stock, magpul makes a stock , Spuhr , m4 style adjustable stocks as well On the subject of magazines yes the thinner aluminum magazines do dent easily however there are surplus Cetme-C magazines made of a thicker steel and I believe some German made ones too I recently ordered Cetme-C mags for $ 4.50 a peice
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
That is true, I should have included that info in my video. Yet it's sad to see that the G3 does not allow for a folding stock...
@tacticalgunsmith
@tacticalgunsmith 2 года назад
@@thefalguy9848 there is a folding stock made for the G3, not as nice as the FAL folding stock though.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
@@tacticalgunsmith Mhmm, did not know about that. Might have to get one to test. Thanks for the heads up
@prdubi
@prdubi 2 года назад
HKG3 91 PTR CHOATE FOLDING STOCK
@tacticalgunsmith
@tacticalgunsmith 2 года назад
@@prdubi that's the one
@cruzie27
@cruzie27 Год назад
I went with PTR. Piles of aftermarket support for the rifle. Plus it will shoot whatever I can afford to feed it. The magazines are dirt cheap and can be found easily. Easier to clean and maintain. You don’t have to re-zero your optic every time you clean it like the Para FAL. I do love the FAL, and if things were different I would own a pile of them.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
True that, the PTR is less picky. But the FAL has more aesthetics (and history - at least for me).
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
@@lemmykilmister7603 if you remove the dust cover with the optic on it, it is highly recommended to re-zero the rifle to ensure the zero of the optic is still correct
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
@@lemmykilmister7603 if you want to properly clean the chamber, it would make sense to remove the dust cover. But you can almost get the same results with some decent cleaning tools.
@johnketchun2816
@johnketchun2816 2 года назад
My go-to rifle is a G3 with a Rhodie camouflage paint job Bren gun sling and front sight is painted International Orange......I own everything from 0 to 400 meters .....
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
That is awesome dude! Sounds like a fantastic setup
@johnketchun2816
@johnketchun2816 2 года назад
BOTH are Rhodesia's rifles ... I give the G3 the edge in price of magazines and G3 will run steel cased ammo all day long.....and the iron sights are much better 👌
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
@@johnketchun2816 I don't know of the iron sights being much better but the cheap mags are a big plus.
@jonc2914
@jonc2914 Год назад
​@@johnketchun2816rhodesia used portuguese made g3's. And Portugal sold their tooling to PTR
@DJTheMetalheadMercenary
@DJTheMetalheadMercenary 2 года назад
Both are sweet!! been wanting a PTR-91 to accompany my FAL for a while now (just need the room for it LOL), price is alright on them.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
Pricewise they are not too bad. And I cannot complain about my PTR.
@DJTheMetalheadMercenary
@DJTheMetalheadMercenary 2 года назад
@@thefalguy9848 Yep, they're solid platforms!
@TooManyChoices1
@TooManyChoices1 2 года назад
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary FAL for the win 🥇 😎✌️!
@DJTheMetalheadMercenary
@DJTheMetalheadMercenary 2 года назад
@@TooManyChoices1 Yes!!!! The best 💪
@largelarry2126
@largelarry2126 Год назад
I agree 100% but it's close. You need to keep in mind that DSArms makes much nicer rifles than PTR so it's not FN vs H&K. It's the same way with 5.56 rifles from both FN and H&K, the FN/FNC vs the H&K 93 it's the FNC for the win. I have owned several FN made FALs and H&K 91s over the last 30 years and love both, but the FN is much more user friendly and just a bit higher quality.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
well said. I was able to use a genuine Portuguese FMP G3 (made in 1966 I believe) and that is a nice rifle, especially with the South African furniture on it. Yet I still prefer the FAL - just more comfy and it hits closer to home!
@jonc2914
@jonc2914 Год назад
​@@thefalguy9848ptr used the same tooling that made your portuguese rifle... portugal sold their hk tooling to ptr.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
@@jonc2914 yep!
@armandgun
@armandgun 2 года назад
Nice video bro, thanks for sharing your feedback on these systems. I know you’ve got a lot of time behind each.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
Thanks for your support. Happy to share my knowledge
@w0t3rdog
@w0t3rdog 2 года назад
There are tons of after market stuff for the G3. Mp5 style collapsible stocks, foldable stocks, telescopic stocks etc. Different mlok and picatinny handguards, different charging handles, mag release extensions, safety levers, scope mounts... honestly, other than swapping the actual body, I dont know what isnt swappable. My setup is a copy of the Swedish AK4D. A bigger trigger guard to facilitate winter shooting with gloves, a spuhr stock and handguard, cut off iron sights and welded on picatinny on the receiver to get a good stable zero. Some no-name vertical foregrip and bipod for when I want to lay on the range and plink for a few hours.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
True true. There are some more parts available for the G3 that I did not mention in the video.
@AH6man
@AH6man Год назад
G3 runs better IMO. More controlled recoil. Shoots tighter groups, the G3 is even made into DMR. You don’t really see that with the FAL.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
Ok. The FAL was/ is made into a DMR as well. Check out the SANDF, Irish army, Argentinian army, etc.
@AH6man
@AH6man Год назад
@@thefalguy9848 I can’t find a lot of info on it online but what I did find was it was in 556. The G3 DMR was used by county’s who didn’t even adopt the G3 as their primary arm and looks to be far more wide spread.
@shockwave6213
@shockwave6213 Год назад
Yeah this wasn't biased at all..... Its not like the G3 has aftermarket parts like the Spuhr stock (which is a glorified AR buffer tube stock), buffer tube adapters, Magpul PRS-2 stock which is pretty much a clone of the PSG-1 stock and a collapsing stock to compare to the folding FAL Para variant. There's even an ACR stock adapter if that's your thing. You can get extended selector levers and even entirely different trigger housings with grip modules. Lets talk about magazines: You complained that the Aluminum mags dent too easily. This is a complaint that I see with pretty much every Aluminum magazine in the hands of a Chimp. Well, as it turns out, there are a hell of a lot of steel G3 mags still floating around out there and are very affordable compared to FAL surplus mags. If polymer is your thing, Thermold makes G3 mags and they're quite good. I was skeptical about em but bought 3 and like em. Tough compared to most Thermolds but the price is consistent with ruggedness. Both guns have pretty equal aftermarket if you do even a little bit of digging. HK parts net is a gold mine in this regard.
@fiskersproductions
@fiskersproductions Год назад
See the problem with both of these rifles is when you compare them to an $800 PSA AR10 out of the box
@shockwave6213
@shockwave6213 2 месяца назад
​@@fiskersproductionsI prefer the G3 and FAL over the AR-10. AR-10s are great but I like the short stroke gas piston of an FAL more and the sheer reliability of the G3 roller delayed blowback is certified Kraut Space Magic. After all, there's a reason H&K chose the Gas Piston over the direct impingement (I realize the irony here in regards to the G3 system) to stay cleaner longer. I do see the potential accuracy benefits to the AR-10 and would certainly use it for a precision rifle, but if I was gonna go crawling through mud, swampy rivers or a desert for a long period of time, I'd choose a G3 with the FAL being a close second.
@joeshmuckatelli4447
@joeshmuckatelli4447 Год назад
The FAL guy is bias to the FAL and doesn’t know G3 well. Mags are cheap and durable. Tons of aftermarket for everything. More inherent accuracy in G3. Shoots ANY ammo without adjusting. Also parts are cheap and available
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
Dude, what do you expect, I enjoy the FAL, so it;s kinda biased. But not wrong, the G3 definitely has the advantage in terms of ammo it takes.
@unclebubba5584
@unclebubba5584 Год назад
for many years my go to, a short gas Para Fal built by Adam762 using a nos Aussie kit.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
You cannot go wrong with it
@cgiles9086
@cgiles9086 Год назад
How many rounds do you have through the SA58? Any parts breakage’s? I think Tim from Military Arms Channel is pretty fair minded and reasonable and he was saying he owns both the SA58 and the vintage FNH Belgian FAL’s and that the SA58 has malfunctioned on him some. It would be nice if DSA was as high of quality as a real FNH FAL but I highly doubt that is true. FAL Files people should petition FNH to make a FAL again like they are doing with the High Power clone they just put on the market. I think the ergonomics of the SCAR 17 kind of suck and like the way FALs feel much better-I’d pick a FAL over a SCAR even for similar money just wish the materials and manufacturing quality was there because I doubt most companies have as high of standards as FNH, CZ, or H&K.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
I got multiple SA58s and a couple of thousand rounds through all of them. I did experience some issues on them. One bolt broke on one of my FALs but DSA fixed it and ever since I have not had an issue with that rifle. My Recce one is nearing 2k rounds (if my memory serves me well) and not a single issue that is rifle related after the first 100rds and dialing in the gas system. Some are obviously mag issues and there were a couple of malfunctions due to the wide variety of ammo I used. But apart from that it's my go-to FAL. Yeah, having genuine FN FALs here would be dope. I wish they would do it too!
@sadzasnake1755
@sadzasnake1755 Год назад
I see a Rhodie FN on the wall complete with compensator at Grenade sights
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
Yes, it's my Rhodesian clone
@TooManyChoices1
@TooManyChoices1 2 года назад
I’d say just close the gas system almost completely and don’t worry about it. Only reason to adjust the gas system is if you want a slightly softer recoil and ejection pattern. When in doubt, close it out. 😅
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
Hahahaha, good advice. You're not entirely wrong...
@brando104
@brando104 Год назад
Man. Don't know if you actually like Rammstein but if you if you haven't seen them. I highly highly recommend seeing them if they come back to the country
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
I love Rammstein. Their most recent album has some great songs like Schwarz, Giftig, Angst etc.
@brando104
@brando104 Год назад
@@thefalguy9848 oh my God I know when I seen him last year they played a few of their songs off their new album and it was amazing words do not explain how good of a concert that was
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
@@brando104 awesome man. Glad you got to experience them live. It's definitely on my bucket list, especially since I speak fluently German
@ronaldsprinkle720
@ronaldsprinkle720 Год назад
How is your g3 recoiling so little, what is the setup on it?
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
I got a JMAC muzzle brake on it. Additioanlly with the MLOK handguard and vertical grip, I can push the rifle very comfortably into my shoulder and avoid a lot of muzzle climb
@ronaldsprinkle720
@ronaldsprinkle720 Год назад
@@thefalguy9848 How does the factory stock compare with others? It seems like cheek placement isnt even an issue for you like it is with most other people when using optics. Have you switched out the buffer that comes in it?
@benlaubscher6371
@benlaubscher6371 Год назад
Love my PTR
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
So do I
@stuartgorka989
@stuartgorka989 Год назад
On the G3 the spring doesn't extend into the stock, it ends at the end cap/buffer. You can get different end caps, so can even use an M4 stock/buffer tube on it if you like.
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
Good to know. I'll look into an AR stock adapter then for the G3
@eltenda
@eltenda 2 года назад
hard to pick I love both! old Spaniard legionair hated the cetme l and missed the old "woody". Great video!
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
Yes I agree. Both are great
@JohnDoe-xu6uu
@JohnDoe-xu6uu 2 года назад
Nice ptr. Also playing Rammstein was a nice touch 👍
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
Thanks. Growing up listening to Rammstein, I thought it would add a nice touch of German-connection to the video by using Reise, Reise to the intro.
@Brownballers562
@Brownballers562 Год назад
Reise Reise !
@robmerrill9894
@robmerrill9894 Год назад
why have the video you already made up your mind
@MrJdog1987
@MrJdog1987 Год назад
German precision but Ptr is American and the g3 style of rifle was designed in Spain by German engineers then Hk started production lol
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
Yet the person who designed the first CETME (on which the G3 is based) is German. His name was Ludwig Vorgrimler who worked during WWII for Mauser. So yeah, it's a German design. Lol.
@jonc2914
@jonc2914 Год назад
​​@@thefalguy9848hat's like saying the Saturn V is a German rocket just because vaun braun was German. The first prototypes are very different than a modern g3
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
@@jonc2914 Germans perfection-ed the design. And were influential in making the prototypes. The Portuguese tooling that was used to built my PTR was HK. So yes, in my opinion it is a German rifle. And based upon German design.
@ulisessepulveda4997
@ulisessepulveda4997 Год назад
Where you get that muzzle break flash hider? for the Ptr?
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
It's a JMAC muzzle break
@fourthhorseman4531
@fourthhorseman4531 Год назад
The answer is obvious: buy both. They're both classics!
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
True. Agree with you on that!
@davidbell1619
@davidbell1619 4 месяца назад
Got both. A G3 a FAL built up for me personally and a Belgian Styr.
@jasongoldstein7117
@jasongoldstein7117 Год назад
What chest rig is that ?
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 Год назад
Tracer Tactical
@pearljaime2
@pearljaime2 2 года назад
Shit just got serious
@thefalguy9848
@thefalguy9848 2 года назад
It's always serious 😂
@johnketchun2816
@johnketchun2816 2 года назад
Stay clalm slot COMMIES ....
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