@@highjumpstudios2384 not correct at all. For one, OSHA defines an amputation as: "An amputation is the traumatic loss of a limb or other external body part. Amputations include a part, such as a limb or appendage, that has been severed, cut off, amputated (either completely or partially); fingertip amputations with or without bone loss; medical amputations resulting from irreparable damage; amputations of body parts that have since been reattached. Amputations do not include avulsions, enucleations, deglovings, scalpings, severed ears, or broken or chipped teeth." And OSHA defines an avulsion as: "An avulsion is a tearing or forcible separation of tissue. An amputation is loss or removal of a limb, body part or organ." A thumb definitely constitutes as one of either: a limb, an appendage or an external body part. For two: an avulsion can be done surgically, nor does an amputation necessitate surgical procedure. They're called a traumatic amputation.
Since this rifle has basically the same inner workings as the SKS, does that mean it also shares the SKS's occasional habit of becoming an unintentional machine gun when the firing pin gets stuck forward? Boy howdy, that would be an adventure.
Wow 5 rounds of this full auto… 😂😂 I’ve had it happen with only a few rounds on my 1950’s Russian SKS. But only a few rounds never all of them. I have 3 Russian SKS rifles. Happens once in a while. 🎉🎉
@@maxo.9928 It's so dumb how you two seemingly didn't even watch the video and yet joke about the quality of master machinists and apprentices. Much like the contemporary SMGs, those guns weren't crude for lack of skills. They were crude because the country was LITERALLY BEING ROLLED OVER BY NAZI ARMIES. They needed as many guns to take them down as quickly as possible, and with the least amount of machining time as possible. So if anything, all things considered that rifle above is actually even too smooth and finely machined considered the circumstances.
Actually not that bad of an idea, how many invading force starts to check on the old town lamp posts, when deployed to use just dig out the shoulder stock, pull the cable out and throw the bulb from muzzle device, trigger group can be stashed into the stock, dust cover can be access panel
I have been to that museum many times and it is a fantastic place - not only is entry free but because Beligum has been invaded/liberated by just about everyone they have kit from all sides and their stuff goes back before WWI. They also have an aircraft and tank section which is not to be missed. Also because the museum is not commerical and quite you can get really up close to the exhibits like you just cannot in other busy museums. I would highly recommend going there and as a plus the car museum is at the other side of the square you can do 2 for one.
Just as a note, the tank section has mostly been moved to Bastogne, so there isn't very much left in Brussels (a couple of vehicles on leo1 chassis and a couple of Pattons) The aviation hall is as ever a beautiful collection and the recent WW1 collection is worth checking out
@@dootmarine1140 I took a picture of it in Bastogne in 2019, it was sitting right next to the ISU 152, and it wasn't in Brussels last month. Their tank collection is really worth a visit, although it's quite remote. Coupling it with the traditional commemorations in December is a good way to make it worth the trip.
I still remember being a teenager playing CoD: World at War for the first time and laughing at how the PTRS-41 was the M82 Barret stand-in with the player capable of running around with it and hip-firing it. But I never thought this thing is just this much of a monster, it's huge.
I remember running around in WaW too. After seeing people on RU-vid trying to hipfire an M82 Barrett, I actually kind of want to see someone try to hold this at the hip, let alone manage to fire it from the hip.
Ian, your humor is exactly what I needed this morning. The gradual zoom out joke made me snicker. I never realized just how large the PTRS was. Thank you for keeping firearms history alive and getting more people interested in firearms history and development.
@@saladiniv7968 Petrenko was just built different(literally and canonically, black ops 2 hinted at his above average healing factor, though i guess that wouldn't help him carry around a 21 kilo antitank rifle no problem)
Any larger-than-usual firearm: **Exists** Cancerous WH40K stans: "fEeLs lIkE sOmeThInG oUtTa 40k!" or "lOoK, a ReAl lIfE bOlTeR!" God, try to be even MILDLY original and come up with an un-regurgitated thought for once in your sad life.
5 shots, perfect for a backup gun match. I like that Ian apologizes for showing historic firearms most of us will never get to see in person in the background. Cool even if out of focus.
During the battle of Stalingrad at Pavlov’s house, one of the reasons why they were able to last so long against tank assaults was due to a PTRS41 put on the roof. The top of the tanks were fairly thin and the PTRS had no problem penetrating it.
@@marcusborderlands6177 Many things are not talked about pertaining to ww2 history. For example, people often think that the soviets only had rocket artillery, when in fact, they had more conventional cannon artillery than rockets.
@@01-uy3of people just seem to not want to learn anymore. They hear something from some random source and decide "welp that's all, nothing more to be said on that subject"
Yea remember running around quick scoping dudes indoors with this in World at War? I would love to see someone try to maneuver this through a door, or around a corner in a hallway.
On a shelf in that room is a FALo. The heavy barreled, select fire version of the FAL, with Lo standing for 'lourd' (heavy), whereas the L in FAL means 'leger' (light). It was our squad support weapon when we all had 7.62x51 rifles. Ammo and magazine compatibility.
I'm assuming a three man crew: a shooter and a loader carrying the gun and the barrel respectively and a third guy carrying replacement shoulders for the shooter...
Had possibility of shooting one not so long ago, it might look scary but honestly after first round it wasn't that bad, popped like 7 or 8 of those and 4 went one after another (jams as hell) . Shoot while sitting wasn't bad but the other guys had to hold me bench as recoil could tip me over. Target was a car like 50 meters away the anti-armour went thru the engine block. So honestly if ya can shoot it i sugest trying it as it is f-ing Lit to shoot. Not much to compare with the closest is Mosin 44 with armour piercing ammo.
@@cmtptr don't forget that tanks have very limited visibility. You could literally crawl around or even hop on top of it without the crew even noticing. Heck, even modern tanks don't have too much vision
I was lucky enough to shot this rifle with steel cased original old soviet ammo. Lying down position, boom! Not that bad. This muzzle device made incredible job to decrease recoil+it is semi auto! So I can say, the sound of this monster is way more impressive than the recoil itself. Live time of this gun is cca 500 rounds, so it is not the gun shooting ranges love to use for entartaining shooting...
The 14.5mm cartridge was actually still capable of penetrating the side armor of a Panther tank, and was the driving force behind the increased side armor of the Panther II project. However upon further investigation Germany discovered that the addition of the armor skirting found on later Panther models was enough to render the 14.5mm insufficient.
I like that he brought up the point that it was used for a long time against side armor on tanks. But he doesn't really do it justice. There is an entire line of modifications to panther designed to help protect the tank from Russians destroying panthers with anti tank rifles because the side armor was so thin. panther tanks with sheet metal skirts over the tracks have those plates there to protect against that rifle and the degterev design
@@NoMoreCrumbs You are correct, while often attributed to the Bazooka it was the humble 14.5mm that actually started the German use of Schürzen. It was just a happy coincidence for them it happened to work against shaped charges as well, with them later making mesh skirts for this purpose. The Pz III, Pz IV, and their derivatives only had 30mm of side armor. So they were all vulnerable to the 14.5, which could penetrate 30-32mm RHA at 500m angled at 90°, and 40mm at 100m and under making even the Panther vulnerable at close range. So a lot would get side skirts, though on the Pz III/IV/StuGs they weren't mounted that great and often broke off on trees, etc.
I've read several accounts of tank combat on the eastern front by German tankers, and getting vision blocks shot out or having rounds punch through drivers' vision slits is a common theme. The Russian A/T gunners used the PTRS and PTRD rifles a *lot* and if they couldn't get through the armor plate they looked for ports or weak spots they could get through. The German tankers had a healthy respect for these A/T rifles and could be relied on to take the time to counter the threat.
This relates to Panther II, and its purpose was to thicken the side armour enough to resist the 14.5mm round as well as to share parts with other vehicles such as the King Tiger. Panther II never got anywhere as adding Schürzen to the sides of Panther proved adequate in tumbling the 14.5 projectile before it hit the main armour.
Yep. Have seen pictures of them in an anti-aircraft position. Assuming a fast moving aircraft would be hard to hit. But one round through its engine block would make a mess. Hell, if the plane flew low enough the crew could throw it at the plane. Might be more likely to bring it down. : )
@@davidcox3076I assume it worked far better at suppressing bolder maneuvers than at actually taking down planes. No matter what chance it has of hitting, knowing most soviet infantry units could have at least one shoulder-cannon must have had some good effect on the pilot, psychologically speaking.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart That's most likely. Stay at a higher altitude when attacking to avoid more of the ground fire. I think most of the machine gun, and in this case anti-tank rifle, antiaircraft mounts were to help throw up enough lead to make an enemy pilot think twice.
As for it's anti-tank capability, the 14.5x114mm was so effective it was the real reason the Germans started using Schürzen aka side skirts or "Bazooka Plates" not the Bazooka and PIAT as commonly claimed. Though as a happy coincidence for them it worked well against those too, it was the later and cheaper to produce mesh skirts that were more specifically for shaped charge weapons. The main 14.5x114mm round in WWII the "BS" API could penetrate around 30-32mm of RHA steel at 500m angled at 90°, with 40mm penetration at 100m. Making all the Pz IIIs, Pz IVs, and their derivatives vulnerable with only 30mm of flat side armor. Even the mighty Panther only had 40mm of side armor with the lower half unsloped, the Soviet gunners were apparently quite proficient and ballsy as it was still enough of a threat that Panthers were eventually equipped with 5mm Schürzen plates to cover the flat armor between the road wheels and sloped upper hull. It's even claimed to be one of the reasons the canceled Panther II, among other various upgrades, had its side armor increased to 60mm as the improvements to its protection were primarily designed for and inspired by lessons learned on the Eastern Front. Turns out all they needed were 5mm RHA steel plates, and that was enough to destabilize the penetrator enough to stop or at least severely limit its penetration. Might be old, but it's a nasty piece of kit. While not this semi-auto behemoth, the "Also kinda semi-auto but not really" PTRD-41 with the same round is still occasionally run into in the Middle East, with it even making some appearances in the current Ukraine conflict. I'd hate to be on the other end of a full auto 14.5 KPV (Almost twice the muzzle energy of an M2 and a little more than a 20mm ShVAK). Light armored vehicles could still be shredded from the sides, or even the front depending on the model. For instance the armor on the LAV-25(Modified LAV III/Mowag Piranha) is only designed to protect against light rounds like 7.62x39 ball. The Stryker(An LAV-25 derivative) has frontal protection against 14.5, but the sides and rear are just armored against 7.62x39 ball, only reaching full all around 14.5 protection if its bolt on ceramic armor or 3mm steel plates are installed. Even the Bradely which is the "Heavy" US IFV only has 25.4mm of armor on all sides, with the slope of the front hull pushing it to about 40-50mm effective, and the turrets sloped front to around 37-45mm effective; and that's a hardened aluminum alloy, so it's even less effective considering the 14.5's 40mm of penetration at 100m is against RHA. At close range or getting engaged from a hill or roof top... In the Gulf War just the 12.7mm NSVT was able to penetrate multiple Bradleys, injure some crew, and even knock one out by destroying its transmission. Though newer/upgraded variants have spaced laminate belts and high hardness steel skirts, there's no added protection to the front AFAIK. There's also HEI(High Explosive Incendiary) and the Chinese have made 2 new, somehow even scarier rounds. An APIDS-S, basically an API-T with discarding sabot like a SLAP round for even more penetration. And an APHEI(Armor Piercing High Explosive Incendiary) for when you want to shoot at a bit of everything I guess. A ZPU-4 with any of these rounds would be an absolute nightmare. Anyways, long post over and the 14.5 has my respect.
Nope, the Bradley is protected at 360 degrees against the 14.5mm and from the A2 variant also vs the russian 30mm APDS in the frontal arc thanks to steel plates as spaced armor. The stryker permanently has ceramic armor. To protect against 14.5mm the Marines also adopted ceramic armor for the LAV-25, while the AAV-7 were updated with spaced EAAK armor.
You do realize the Bradley is fully armored against 14.5? It's the entire point of the armor. 6mm steel plate, 25mm air, 6mm steel, 90mm air, 25mm aluminum. Full 360 degree protection against 14.5mm with some extra steel on the turret front. A2 upgrade replaced the 6mm plates with a single much thicker (~32mm) plate for frontal and side protection against 30mm AP. Also the BS round went out of production decades ago, so 14.5mm these days is just 12.7mm pen with more recoil.
It was said in the Red army in that times "long barrel - short life". Anti-armor sections always suffered great casualties in combat. Both the PTRD and PTRS had nice penetration, but suffered to make much damage after penetrating armor. I have read memoirs of a soldier, who had fought with those rifles. He said, that the best anti-tank rifle he used, was a 45 mm anti-tank cannon :) He explained, that if you wanted a slight chance to be effective, you had to dig a nice trench and camouflage it. And the trench for anti-tank rifle was not much bigger, than a trench for a 45 mm gun. Though, it was much easier to change positions or fall back obviously with a PTRS or PTRD.
I'm sure they left out the part that it's max effective range is 150-250 meters to the average Russian infantryman. And I'm sure that shooting it kicks up a huge amount of dust in the hotter months, so your best chance of surviving firing at a tank is either being in a well concealed entrenched position or shoot, move, and communicate. I'm guessing a lot of these were abandoned during WW2.
Это Вы просто не знаете, как Сталин ставил задачу Малышеву на создание СУ-152 "Зверобой" в течение одного месяца. И как уговаривал Яковлева создать Як-3 за три месяца.
Thanks Ian! Greetings to the Museum of the Belgian Army from Aprelevka, Moscow region! Спасибо, Иан! Привет музею армии Бельгии из Подмосковной Апрелевки!
It's pretty easy to mount a red dot, the rear sight base is about the same size as a mosin, so all you need to do is buy an 11$ mosin rear sight rail, mill one clearance slot and put it on, no rifle modification required. Working on the mags..
I guess the easy disassembly of the rifle to be carried around combined with the tungsten core rounds are the key success of this rifle for Red Army during WWII. I can see how effective this will be with 2-man team silently going for a flanking position to effectively disable Panzer IVs. Now i see why in videogames like Company of Heroes 2,you can have 6-8 men team carrying bunch of Degtrayev and 2 PTRS rifles,owing to its real-life capability. Thank you for the video.
I believe it's the PTRD, the giant tube on rails. It's still not entirely correct because it depicts it as a fully bolt action, when the PTRD should actually automatically unload the casing after firing due to the rails.
@@edg4rallanbro753 In-game its referred to as a PTRS and that seems to be what its modelled after. I assume the bolt-action function is to make it less busted against light vehicles (cuz Guards will obliterate 222s and Halftracks if given the chance).
I always think about how loud combat must have been for those soldiers. Just imagine firing a rifle like this without hearing protection. They must have been almost totally deaf after even just a short engagement.
I saw a video of a replica being shot. The muzzle brake literally lifted the nearby gravel with the shockwave and gas emission. Fucking hell. That thing is quite literally a cannon, and its ammos have the charge of small grenades going off. The poor soldiers that had to fire those things.
@@Narcan885 I am sure having the ability to punch through the side armour of Nazi tanks was a great comfort. There is nothing worse for an infantry unit than having no way to deal with certain enemies.
If you really want your jaw to drop there's a video out there of a DPR militaman shoulder firing a whole magazine. The AK he has dangling off his shoulder looks like a toy in comparison.
B-32 with a steel core. The B-41 had a tungsten carbide core. And it was quite rare ammunition. The prototype of both the PTRS and the SCS was the 1940 Simonov rifle, which lost to the SVT.
My goal is to now make an airsoft version of this with a steel bolt and use a solenoid to mimick short stroke recoil. Feel like that could be a neat project
I remember as an adolescent in Call of Duty World at War there was a mission were they made you fire one of these, of course you could easily shoulder it or even hip fire like it was a 12 gauge duck gun... Reznov !!! I wonder if there are any recorded instances of these being used in an anti-personnel role at medium to long range, in Stalingrad say, aka sniper city. That would be really cool, ain't no taking cover from this :)
They tried to adapt PTRD/PTRS for sniper shooting, but they turned out to be ineffective, since the sights were deformed from recoil after a few shots or shifted so much that they constantly had to make adjustments. Interesting fact: American troops, during the Korean War, captured the PTRD, converted it to 12.7 caliber and used an optical sight, such a PTRD could fire without harming the optical sight)
Ian: "Sorry about not having my usual drop cloth in place, and all the clutter visible in the background." Audience: "We... um... didn't know it was a problem!" 😄😄 [Good reason to go back for a replay anyway, just to see what's lurking in the background. 🤔]
@@1sanitat1 According to Wikipedia, Chinese NORINCO developed sabot munition for 14.5mm (like APDS or SLAP), probably for exports purpose. I can't find further information tho.
The PTRS-41 is my absolute favorite gun. Despite naming my account after the S18-1000 the PTRS has become my favorite. Such a simple yet powerful design. The perfect mix of power, weight, range, and serviceability that the other ATRs struggled with. Still used today in the East as anti-material as the ammo is still common
What I think is hilarious is in COD WAW they made this thing man portable with like a 30 inch barrel like a mosin but it’s like twice the size in reality
I've always had a thing for this and other very large AT guns like the Lahti L-39 (my favorite of all of them)...To me they have this sleek/slim look at first almost elegant in appearance,. But the sheer size and brutality of them up close leaves no doubt as to the power they possess when fired.
the beauty of anti-tank rifles is the point where raw brute force has an elegance all its own. Place one fuckton of powder here, bit of tungsten in front of it, and hope the padding saves your shoulder the pain you're about to inflict on a hardened steel plate.
They have one of these at the Virginia War Museum. It is HUGE. Great little museum. If you’re near the tidewater area and you’re into all things military definitely check it out.
Found one of these in a gun store about 2 months ago... Unfortunately, the government of Canada has made it so it is not allowed to even leave the room it currently resides in. Still really cool to see in person, it is way bigger in person than the video leads on
I have seen pictures of these, but I never got a really good scale reference. Just looked like an extra big SKS. Well with you in the shot, I now have a scale reference. That thing in insane. The math on the round it uses is also insane. I dare say that would be effective on most armored vehicles today not including reactive armor.
That intro was pretty funny, just as a suggestion if possible when you do videos on weapons that are so big can you stand with the gun at your side ( to have a comparison and also it would be pretty funny when it is as big as this one)
I can imagine the meeting when this was designed. "No no comrade Ivan trust me we perfected rifle against infantry, so we make SKS against tank too." "Yes but Tank is big" "So make SKS Big too!"
Actually, the B32 cartridge features a hardened Steel Core. It is the equally weighted BS41 Cartridge wich features the tungsten core. Both have incendiary compound in front of the penetrator
Few years ago I was at a gun show and one old chap had a PTRS and a PTRD on display and these rifles are huge the flimsy table they were on looked like they were about to fold.
Insightful video indeed. Given the sheer length and weight of the thing, it would feel right at home in hands of space marine scouts as a sniper rifle with minimum dressing-up. You'd only need to rechamber it in heavy bolter ammo (I've seen somewhere its caliber being stated as 25x100mm, while regular bolter ammo would be 17/18x50mm by some accounts, can't confirm those numbers to be certain tho).
About 14.5 mm ammo - armour-piercing bullet with thungsten core is named BS-41 (БС-41), B-32 is armor-piercing incendiary bullet and it has a steel core. Also, B-32 is a type of bullet for all calibers - we also have 7.62 B32 and 12.7 B32
Great video, I love to see more of WW2 guns and in this case Antitank rifles and there design, also absolutely love to listen to history about guns from Ian. One thing that is really just minor slip up, PTRS used 14,5x114mm caliber, not 14,5x115mm like Ian said. Anyway caption got it right in the video, or maybe I just heard it wrong. In any case, great video, and really impressive piece of history, would love to see video from the firing range with PTRS :)
Now THIS was something i didnt think id see today. Stellar vid. Love the history on this... gonna look up the dev program and see if theres a doc on it anywhere. Id love to hear/see more.
The cycle came full circle with the Pauza P50 anti material rife which is basically an SKS scalled up to .50 BMG. Brandon Herrera has a video on one of these very rare birds.
If Star Wars is looking for any neat WWII guns to steal, they could just use that image of the PTRS 41 right after he takes off the barrel. It would make a pretty cool blaster.
The 14.5mm cartridge just like 7.62x54R is still seeing use in the modern age with the Snipex Alligator. Cool to see new firearms in these older yet still useful calibers.
