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Pug Healing Tier List Season 3 Dragonflight, for Mythic + 

Bowser the Healer
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This is my Mythic + Healer tier list for Season 3 of Dragonflight! If you don't listen to my ramble in the intro and just comment with no understanding of who this tier list is for, **I will make fun of you on Twitter :D**. That being said, its a very personal opinion so I would love to hear what you have to say in the comments section below!
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00:00 - Intro
02:02 - Holy Paladin
05:16 - Holy Priest
09:23 - Discipline Priest
12:43 - Preservation Evoker
16:09 - Restoration Shaman
19:58 - Restoration Druid
22:35 - Mistweaver Monk
26:06 - Only click here if you listened to the intro :D
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@matthewshull9345
@matthewshull9345 5 месяцев назад
I've ran so many keys in so many seasons as a healer, since legion. I've played every healer and have 4 of them in that time around 3k+ in only pugs. I love resto druid so much in organized grps with predictable damage. But it starts to get frustrating once people take unexpected damage repeatedly. The best PuG healer for me has to be resto shaman. Interrupts can save so much damage and their mastery can just chunk someone up taking massive avoidable damage.
@ohhhbirdy5975
@ohhhbirdy5975 4 месяца назад
interrupts can make a key feel like a +2 when really it's a +20 and vice versa LMAO
@zr0z
@zr0z 4 месяца назад
I really appreciate how upbeat your videos are. You seem genuinely excited and happy to speak about each class, even for classes that aren't the best PUG fit for this list.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 4 месяца назад
I try really hard for this, so thank you so so much for noticing!
@Thomas-hh3iv
@Thomas-hh3iv 3 месяца назад
Thanks for amazing video! Im currently learning to play healer also and your list helped me a lot in picking the healer class most suitable for me :)
@valiantvincent2621
@valiantvincent2621 5 месяцев назад
loved this breakdown of the classes when it comes to pugging (since that's what I do more than anything still). haven't played much Resto Druid this season but I think I'll start playing it soon
@Maeburre
@Maeburre 5 месяцев назад
Hey Bowser! Excited you made this video as I've tried the other healers and the reasons I didn't like them you summed up perfectly! For me I settled on Mistweaver Monk. As for me I like being in the thick of things and I love the martial arts/Asian influence and lore of monk in general so its a win win! Great video all round.
@keithmccall2902
@keithmccall2902 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for a great overview of each healer
@jimcarrey2866
@jimcarrey2866 5 месяцев назад
Trying to predict damage as a disc priest in pugs is a bad joke. I always see people claiming disc is S tier, but it's not even funny how terrible the exp of a disc priest pugging is.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
Its so so much harder, and its already a tough spec to boot. You need to have an eagle eye on those cast bars and targeting or you will miss someone taking lethal in higher keys. Its why I mentioned difficulty during Disc and after all of the listings. Its so important to know
@RinaaaYa
@RinaaaYa 5 месяцев назад
​​@@Bowserthehealera friend of mine have mained disc for years. He always told me: "as a disc, for pugs, you always prepared for the worst scenario possible. You have to always expect they will do the worst." haha
@perkulant4629
@perkulant4629 4 месяца назад
@@RinaaaYathe worst twice. Even when you save them from fire with life grip, they run back in.
@Tinystrom
@Tinystrom 4 месяца назад
Exactly why I love Holy, I’m not good enough to play disc 😂
@elizabethswitzer4598
@elizabethswitzer4598 5 месяцев назад
Healed with most healers sometimes a 12 is harder then a 20. As a healer the group depends on how my run goes
@shanemcquillan2333
@shanemcquillan2333 5 месяцев назад
Facts
@Laptican
@Laptican 5 месяцев назад
Nice video! I also completly agree that just because a spec is high on a tier list doesn't necessarily mean that it's easy to play. I began playing Discipline Priest this season because i really liked it when pugging +25's last season for the remaining two weeks. And oh boy was i struggling to keep everybody alive, but i kept trying and now i'm doing 25-27's with my group!
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
Huge! I'm glad you caught the disc bug because its so much fun when it clicks!
@foosem
@foosem 5 месяцев назад
Really great video and you did an awesome job ranking the specs for the PUG setting! The only minor thing I would respectfully disagree with is rdruid over rsham for the KSH/weekly +20 range. Rsham feels very tanky with 5k+ vers at that key range, and having so many interrupts/stops to control your own destiny is a godsend for uncoordinated PUGs. Also as you mentioned, never having to rely on anyone else for afflicted weeks feels amazing. Just throwing that out there for anyone on the fence about trying resto shaman after all of the recent buffs. Thanks so much for making this video!
@maximumaut712
@maximumaut712 5 месяцев назад
great insight - subbed
@robusmc1713
@robusmc1713 4 месяца назад
Well done, very impressed, new sub ❤
@wallywest3931
@wallywest3931 5 месяцев назад
Nice video Bowser, as always. I am close to 3k with my MW. My Prevoker right behind. Still not sure what to push after that. I play the other two monk speccs on an other char, so time is a tough thing 😅 Maybe Sham or Druid. Keep it up, bro. See you on your stream.
@RinaaaYa
@RinaaaYa 5 месяцев назад
As Hpal, the state of Word of Glory, Light of Dawn and holy shock are just awful buttons to press (holy shock at least puts glimmers and DR put it used to be way stronger in S1/S2). WoG used to heal for 30%-40% ish of someone HP. With the exception of damage (overnerf due to 10.1.5 impressive passive damage) pally is still doing 'good numbers' but doesnt feel good to play due to this. If they could do a HPS neutral rebalance with buffing WoG, Holy shock and LoW and nerf something else the to keep it in check the class would feel waaay better.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
I completely agree and I think my friends quote of "insult to the GCD" really sums it up. It has so many good working parts. Some adjustments would go a long way and I think you summarized it perfectly!
@alexanderh2715
@alexanderh2715 5 месяцев назад
How is it compared to Bfa glimmer build? I used to play that a ton and had a lot of fun but i don't want to waste time leveling my paladin up again. Just came back to the game 2 months ago. So far I'm mostly tanking on warrior and I have a prevoker and resto shaman and shaman feels way easier but I stick with the prevoker too because it's so much fun. Some bosses are a nightmare because of the range though.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
So from what I know about that build, its similar but far less broken. The rapid fire glimmer's from day break do produce a similar effect. As does day break sucking up the glimmers to heal too. But outside of cooldowns you need to keep it up and its far less effective so it feels kinda terrible. In CD's it feels wonderful! @@alexanderh2715
@RinaaaYa
@RinaaaYa 5 месяцев назад
@@Bowserthehealer @alexanderh2715 didn't play on BFA since I started playing/came back this xpac. Hpal is currently facing many issues, related with mana and spot healing. I would say wait for better days since the spec is currently in a bad state compared to season 1/season 2 due to heavy numerical overnerf.
@Duck4Evers
@Duck4Evers 5 месяцев назад
Playing both Tank and Healer(Resto Shaman) i feel that on keys 20 and under its never about the class its undoubtedly about the player. I've run effortless no death 20s with preservation evokers and holy priests. I've also struggled mightily with both restoration druids and discipline priests. I think all healers right now are in a great spot. I'll never run 25s and above so I can't speak to what classes will start to become separated. As always, I love your uploads Bowser. Keep up the good work!
@TheGoatLocker
@TheGoatLocker 5 месяцев назад
Very accurate, I've mained healer since TBH, KSM/Keystone hero & AOTC throughout several expansions. My main has been priest since OG Wrath. But I always level my shaman and pally as well. Now I'll rotate whichever healer is stronger. In season 3 of Shadowlands I noticed a level of equality in the three healers I hadn't experienced prior. Now in DF, it literally isn't a gap in my opinion. Just slightly different styles. My current favorite healer for pugs is simply holy priest. I have 20 runs where I do 240k healing, and runs where I don't even break 100k. Either way, I can only meet the healing demand on my holy priest, and it's ability to prevent several deaths every pull is just too good in my opinion. Serenity and word life are instant casts that heal players to full. Holy priest healing is ez mode in my opinion.
@kregman6928
@kregman6928 5 месяцев назад
I been playing for about a month and a week now. all on preservation. ive worked my ass off pugging keys to get myself accustomed to all the dungeons on at least +16. your guides and videos have been my absolute saving grace for my mental because ive learnt when I can truly blame myself for wipes or someone dying and it has taken stress off completely and now i just play and have big fun on evoker. I did a humungous oopsie in rise the other day xD the tank thing targeted me in the battleground but I thought it was on the hunter so I rescued him onto me and he got one shot xD we both laughed hard at it but it did cause a big wipe. sorry I ended up rambling. the biggest issue I have come across though is healing in arenas that people end up splitting for, like ozumat and last boss of rise. how do I deal with that happening? just ask people to stay together or do I just leave that mage who has 20%hp on the other end of the map? edit: you mentioned everything i struggle with at the end of the rating for preservation xD bahahah, i guess i have to work on adapting my combos and being just a bit better at knowing when big dmg is coming. xD this is what i get for commenting before video ends. I would absolutely love it if evoker had a good spot heal because like you said, its all cooldowns and living flame is no where near enough of a heal to use while things are on cd and big dmg is coming through
@l0ve131
@l0ve131 5 месяцев назад
Top tier video
@besbin7
@besbin7 3 месяца назад
Came here for inspiration for first healer class this expansion, went away with healing looks terrifying.
@TheGoatLocker
@TheGoatLocker 5 месяцев назад
Talent into circle healing casts being increased by your renew casts, and use sanctify to constantly keep renew on the group. Aoe healing is no problem when you do that. I also take the talent to lower its CD
@pennypicks6819
@pennypicks6819 4 месяца назад
I really like your layout do you have a link to add-ons, bars, and cd management? I like that its simple and you have the party with all there cds running left on the screen. If you could give me some tips on your ui it would be most appreciated. I like the channel and love the video being I only pug and I play a bunch of different healers. So I understand the situations regarding where certain heals shine or fail and what I define the easiest to heal with in my opinion.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 4 месяца назад
I did just release a UI video not far back! Has all my links and so does my Discord in the imports channel. But its a lot of default components and Omni CD for the kick tracker and those cooldowns on the left. I use a lot of default interface, its really nice these days! And if you do have more questions hit me up in my Discord!
@mollyklug
@mollyklug 5 месяцев назад
I'm more of a raider than m+ enthusiast (I know it's next to impossible to separate the two now, no thanks to blizz for that), but I do shoot for KSM so that means most dungeons finished with around a +15 and delve into +16/17 for aspect crests. I am also a holy priest main. One thing I use for the combo aoe healing/damage is holy nova; it does a surprising amount of damage now and it gives out some nice gradual aoe healing for the melee around the mobs (which contributes of course to more echo of light on everyone healed) and even reaches some of the ranged if we're in a tight enough area. Plus I feel like blizz will nerf holy nova soon enough so I'm enjoying it while I can.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
Ima mash it and see how it feels, but thank you for that insight! Ill give it the ol college try!
@MostlyNotDps
@MostlyNotDps 5 месяцев назад
One big issue with disc I’ve noticed is *that* they are meta. I think a lot of pugs see disc, think “oh, best healer,” and play a little more reckless or aggressively than they would do otherwise.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
All the time lol. "Its meta its good" proceeds to not know why it is meta and dies on pulls T.T
@eaberrydc
@eaberrydc 4 месяца назад
I only run to 2k ratings (14/15) but I don't find it hard to keep atonement out there. But I also tank and dps, so I have a good idea of damage patterns. Keep shields and renews rolling, power word radiance is always available. Then do your damage. I really miss having a kick
@ryan-4853
@ryan-4853 4 месяца назад
This is the correct list.
@FeralKobold
@FeralKobold 5 месяцев назад
More people playing WoW like me omg hi ♥ As a priest main (holy and disc) forever and always, gosh disc is the story of two different sides of a coin. I've had high keys with a competent group where I feel like a *god*. And then some random low/mid keys when I'm just chilling or warming up after waking up can be disastrous. Holy priest feels more forgiving in low keys and it's easier to "heal stupid" and you also feel like a god during big pump moments doing like 300k HPS (sisters boss in WCM comes to mind). The damage is nutty too, there has been more times than I can count in mid keys (so like around 12-16s for me) where I've come out as like second or third dps in the group, if you plan your naarus for a DPS burst you can pull like 200k DPS it's hilarious. Overall both of these are viable into the I'd say low to mid 20s, but disc has a higher ceiling because of the increased utility and DRs and at that point you're with more organized or at least competent groups and that's when disc really shines. Holy always has a place in my heart though and 80% of the time I'm in holy spec just for raid nights, but I still like to swap to it once and a while in m+ just for fun
@brads58
@brads58 5 месяцев назад
Is there a benefit of having party frames on the left side? I'm right-handed and feel like it should be on the right side.
@YsuXao
@YsuXao 5 месяцев назад
Has been some debate about this but the general idea is most languages read from left to right so we are conditioned into reading information from left to right. doesn't work for everyone.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
YsuXao's reply to you is fascinating and maybe thats why I like it! But I promise you its just that thats how default FF14 frames look, and when I first came to WoW I figured to set them up the way they looked in that game because I was used to it!
@davidhulsey6046
@davidhulsey6046 5 месяцев назад
I literally have mine horizontal over my bars. To each their own.
@TheFallorn
@TheFallorn 5 месяцев назад
My priest is a high mountain Tauren and it’s great. A dash to cc or reposition.
@Fireblats
@Fireblats 5 месяцев назад
Any chance we could get a video on how you deal with Volcanic with evoker? With our long cast times I've been really struggling.
@Heaton89
@Heaton89 5 месяцев назад
Generally you should always be fine due to the combo nature of the spec that you can cancel cast side strafe and go again. Atleast imo that's what I did for my evo but I've only gone to around 3300 range on it and swapped to mw and resto D partially due to flexibility and also I'm a little too hooked on cat weaving and combo points
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
Ill be real with you, keep hover on a nearby button. As long as you setup well, you can usually cast okay with small movements or hover. But ill be honest when you have no hover and need to hard cast and keep needing to move? I wanna scream LOL
@Tinystrom
@Tinystrom 4 месяца назад
I love holy priest in pugs. At 2700 right now and it’s still so much fun
@Estarianne2000
@Estarianne2000 4 месяца назад
Being on my disc priest and not having an interrupt hurts so much. Watching something go off and not being able to go in and kick it is painful.
@Nyeusi
@Nyeusi 5 месяцев назад
I have been spoiled by the fun of mistweaver so much this season that I have almost no fun on any other healer. I did end up getting an hpal all 20s but the throughput just doesn’t feel good. Any other healer I try I end up getting super bored and back to my MW. The utility and tools it has just make it so much fun. And the diverse way to play with casting sometimes and fist weaving make it extremely dynamic and no other spec comes close to it. I can’t stop playing it. I really do hope they continue the passion for this onwards into the next xpac.
@perkulant4629
@perkulant4629 4 месяца назад
Always wanted to get into MW, played every healer bar hpala and ME to 2800-3000. Should probably get an alt one going while they are good to try it.
@TheTDawson1
@TheTDawson1 4 месяца назад
RShammy is having a resurgence. I felt like I was the only one out there for a while. 😂
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 4 месяца назад
I'm so glad it is. Its in a very good spot and it got buffed again! R Shammy is eating right now!
@lunare29belmont72
@lunare29belmont72 Месяц назад
Is Druid good for a player who play healer white mage in final fantasy I like to solo a lot and have good survivability
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer Месяц назад
Yeah actually, as a tank. As a healer? Its a good solo class for sure but its nothing like white mage
@zacstephenson3734
@zacstephenson3734 3 месяца назад
I haven't healed in a while, what addon is that?
@Jwh983
@Jwh983 3 месяца назад
What is the Riptide build?
@Akket85
@Akket85 4 месяца назад
as a Palatank, I love shaman healers
@rhombodazzle9700
@rhombodazzle9700 5 месяцев назад
I'll say if you don't know what the riptide build is for shaman ZUCOWOW I gotta say perfected this build if you don't like cloudburst and wanna take your tier set to the max
@livebythews
@livebythews 4 месяца назад
I think this iteration of disc is super fun and easy to play but yeah, I actually swapped off of it as I got higher because of pug healing. It’s on-demand triage healing is pretty garbage. Amazing spec in a coordinated group though.
@JonFTrudel
@JonFTrudel 4 месяца назад
Forgot thunder for resto shaman as an other CC--- Resto shaman is sort of the king of CC atm.
4 месяца назад
I would argue preservation is towards C tbh. You quickly lack single target healing. You bring two bumps which makes it go back up but you get a long cd kick and huge reliability on cooldowns with the LOWEST of all healers damage. Holy priest does not bring a kick nor does it bring good control but insane overall healing and damage with one cheat death. Hpal brings immunities and lay on hands aswell as strong defensives/externals not to mention their imminity and short kick + control. Imo preservation this season specifically does not work with the current dungeons especially due to the range limit on certain bosses.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 4 месяца назад
I disagree, I do wonderful work as Pres. If you know how to play it well, and manage herding a few cats (the pugs), its great. Its not easy, its never easy. But its fine. Also single target healing is fine. Like its def not bad, its not holy priest but it pumps just fine.
4 месяца назад
@@Bowserthehealer It is the worst healer in single target. It legit is the only reason why it is the least picked healer rn. Insane aoe tho
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 4 месяца назад
You should watch me play. I straight up do not struggle with it. Im not trying to flex, I just dont have this issues because I found solutions to it that are now normal to my gameplan and flow. @
4 месяца назад
You sure can heal up to 27 but then your spec starts to struggle compared to rest of classes. Not to mention again the huge lack of damage compared to literally every other healer @@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 4 месяца назад
And if were talking about it struggling in a 27, we are so far beyond content with a reward. top .1% is not only viable with them but you dont even need to get there. Pugging needs to be perfect after 25's and up. So for my tier list about pugging within the range that pugging is not as coordinated or percise, I would argue it remains very strong. in a 27 yeah I can see the ST probably becoming an issue. in the top .3% of the game?! sure@
@gabrielhenriquev.b.augusto2965
@gabrielhenriquev.b.augusto2965 5 месяцев назад
Hey! Can you share your ui code?
@felixkock8505
@felixkock8505 19 дней назад
What does everybody means with PuG-Keys? PuG Healer? Im German and i dont know what it means :)
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 18 дней назад
Pug is pick up group or public group. meaning you're not playing with friends! Or maybe its a few friends but not a full 5 player party! I play mostly solo, so when I say pugging keys or full pugging that means its me and 4 other people I don't know
@ic3t3ap3ach
@ic3t3ap3ach 5 месяцев назад
for 11.0 they should give pres evoker 40yard range! for me the "experiment" failed. its not fun. even as a dps a think sometimes 25 is bullshit 😂
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 5 месяцев назад
So respectfully, no absolutely not. I think normalizing to 30 yards with a 40 yard dispel would be good. But there are other healers if range is your issue. But I like its balance of power the way it is and only small adjustments would help. I dont want a resto shaman with a good light of dawn I wanna keep what this is (relatively)
@alihorda
@alihorda 5 месяцев назад
I agree with this, I could never get used to limited range, especially in raids. I just made a priest alt to heal. Also the fact that I just juggle CDs
@Noxplodez
@Noxplodez 3 месяца назад
shamans are hated in higher pugs- sucks.- gg blizz
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 3 месяца назад
Esp with the one defensive. Earth Shield helps with 6% DR but the amount of times I've watched my friends pug a shaman and then don't even refresh it for a big damage mechanic? Yeah I get it T.T
@bigbadbeardo
@bigbadbeardo 5 месяцев назад
Hurts so much that hpala is c+ :(
@davidhulsey6046
@davidhulsey6046 5 месяцев назад
For pugs not surprising. You have to know what you’re doing to be effective as a holy paladin.
@bigbadbeardo
@bigbadbeardo 5 месяцев назад
@@davidhulsey6046 I agree!
@semi6544
@semi6544 4 месяца назад
I agree that the META and the PUG tier list is very different. My PUG Tier list is as follows: Holy Priest -- B Disc Priest -- D Mistweaver -- A Resto Druid -- B Resto Shaman -- B Holy Paladin -- C Preservation Evoker -- C My opinion is based as a DPS that knows nothing about healing. This list is based on how safe I feel with these healers as a PUG. I know Disc Priests are awesome right now but they feel like the healer with the Greatest variance in a PUG. Disc Priests are either great or terrible with terrible taking up a greater part of the pie. Doing damage as a healer sounds fun but the problem with most PUG healers is that they don't even care to do damage. So, it is no wonder so many PUG healers are bad at Disc. Many PUG healers don't even believe damage is one of their jobs. From keys +18 and up, you see healers do damage but even then you see some that barely do any damage at all. Just single-minded focus on healing. Maybe more healer guides should be about how healers should do damage and when they should focus on healing because PUGs are bad at it. Holy Priest, Resto Druid, and Resto Shaman all got Bs because it just feels PUGs know how to play them. It very rarely feels like they have no idea what they are doing. Pres Evoker may be great but if the healer doesn't adjust to ranged being out of range then the ranged DPS just struggles. That is on the DPS but healer's effort to make up for bad DPS is an extra responsibility Evoker has to deal with and normally don't deal with. I don't have great confidence in Holy Paladin in general or with PUGs and I'm not sure why. Just a feeling.
@maigonc
@maigonc 4 месяца назад
I'm a little sad because I really liked the Evoker healer, but man, it's a lot to think during the fights depending on the group.
@Bowserthehealer
@Bowserthehealer 4 месяца назад
If you're down with some encouragement, its worth sticking with! The less you are thinking about what to do and the more you know how to flow and work with many combos? Its blissful, you can do anything. But even I still panic every once in a while. I get if you dont want your gaming to be that stressful! But if you're down for the challenge, I promise you it gets easier!
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