Pulley winching - attach return line left, or right? 

And yet another good video! Thank you for all your info. You are now my official go to guy for off road science! Seriously, great job, congrats.

I would never have thought of that. Thanks for the great info. I guess it also demonstrates the twisting forces applied to the chassis which would need to be taken into consideration in some situations.

Fantastic Robert, I can see where this can increase safety margins of a potential rollover of vehicle at steep incline or a near a cliff edge when one side of the vehicle is higher than the other side. 👍

Thankyou Robert for your excellent practical demonstration of this effect!!!

Great video , i have not needed to use my winch yet , but your video has taught me a lot ,I better watch your other videos. thanks

Another cool video from an out of the box thinker !

Great observation, I’d never have guessed that effect. Keep producing these great videos.

👍👍👍 ! ! ! Always learn a lot from Robert Pepper!

Downforce problem: I recall the days people would have a bridle shackled to the front (or rear) axle, not the chassis (Army salvage book advice?). Winching or towing would then tend to lift the axle up and out of mud/hole rather than force it down. Trouble was the bridle would get hung up on rocks/timber if not secured properly when not in use. Should be considered as an option in gnarly situations rather than simply going for chassis pull mounts even on IFS vehicles. Go low for best pull effort - especially if your rig is jacked up and on 35s... Maybe Robert, you could you could research this aspect.

Good stuff. An interesting phenomenon for sure. I definitely try to spread the load out as much as practical when I can. If you have two recovery points up front, might as well use both of them when you can. In the case in the video, running the winch line return leg back to the opposite recovery point would have been my preference. That seems like it would have minimized the yaw/slip effect ( and spread out the load to more anchor points on the chassis ). One thing that has been bugging me with a lot of Spanish Burton rigging demonstrations lately, the lack of properly upsizing the compound leg of the system. If the winch is using X strength rope, we should be rigging XX strength in the compound leg. Most winch line is already sized less than 2:1 FOS generally speaking, so we would severely be limiting ourselves by using the same strength line for the compound legs. While traditional snatch blocks and recovery rings are limited to single line passage, modern wide groove recovery rings, like my Bee Safe Recovery Gear or the Yankum unit, have enough capacity to support twin'd winch lines in these setups. If the winch extension is the same diameter of the winch line, I suggest looking at adding the capability to 'twin' or double the extension line used for the compound legs. The other option, which is also supported by the new wide gear rings, is to upgrade the extension to something twice as strong as the winch line. Bee Safe out there.

As always, it depends. anchor point position, surface nature, slope, car weight distribution, steering position, driver mood, etc, etc, etc. Thanks for the video.

Interesting!

Danke!

Great common sense teaching.

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A quick thought about that Spanish Burton setup. What if you connect the return line of the winch to one recovery point and the line from second pulley to the opposite recovery point? Will it cancel that yaw effect or just decrease it to some degree?

Hi Robert. Is it acceptable to use the bridle across both front recovery points to distribute the return load evenly and centrally?

I have a question, would those of us running winches with an offset drum notice any difference in the results you've posted?

Why are the wheels not rotating