You're clearly showing the Moeller technique. This is the Push/Pull technique. It utilizes all fingers and the fulcrum as a lever. They're both meant to conserve energy but they're different techniques. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-chQg5_ZzPes.html
You could say that the line between Moeller and push/pull is often blurred. What if you play Moeller but use a bit of fingers during the second stroke to put more power into it. Does that become "Moeller with fingers" or push/pull? And it could be argued that when you get to extremes of speed, the Moeller whipping motion becomes so abbreviated that it's basically the push/pull technique at that point anyway. Both concepts rely on getting 'free hits' by using the momentum of a previous stroke
You are correct this is Moeller. Moeller gets the 2nd stroke on the upward lift of stick - which he is showing - push/pull gets the 2nd stroke from the pull or close motion of the fingers.
@@cussyrichards6121The push/pull aspect is defined by the open/close motion of the fingers and the pushing of the stick with the thumb. This is not exactly necessary for moeller technique, though it can be supplementary to it, hence the distinction. Moeller and push/pull are more often than not combined, but are still two completely different techniques. The lines are "blurred," per se, but thats because people almost always learn moeller before push/pull and it is optimal to utilize both at the same time to omit unnecessary tension.
Interesting, but in the initial demo you play thumbs up (french grip), but in the explanation, you play more german/american grip. I presume the technique is the same, but in my opinion precission is vital. Anyway, thanks for tanking the time to make great videos and inspire.
Very accurate playing but I wonder what exactly is the difference between this and Moller? It seems to look the same, and the two for one principle is the same. Can anyone help?
@@drumdog I see, but these techniques are often discussed as if they had nothing to do with each other. Thanks for making this clear, and fantastic snare by the way All the best from Germany
@@dr.timschurig234 usually the moeller also includes a double stroke between the push and the pull, making it a 3 notes grouping thing (and is usually used with both hands alternating to make a DUDUtutututuDUDUtutututu kinda feel) but other than that yeah it's the same principle for the pulled note
So Moeller is about the movement and not the amount of notes, you can get 2, 3, 4 and maybe 5 notes with one Moeller "throw". Actually on the Jojo mayer DVD the push-pull method is mainly done with the finger, Ramon montagner is a master at that. To be honest this video is wrong. He is explaining a moeller type of thing. Search for Ramon montagner and of course Jojo mayer.
@@FernandoCuadro I agree. As Claus Hessler always taught: Moeller uses a whip as an initial stroke, the taps just happen, push pull incorporates the fingers to produce the second stroke.
This is incorrect. The push pull is the same technique as the open close. On the down stroke(push stroke), the fingers not gripping the stick (pinky, ring, middle) open up to allow the stick to point up in the air on the rebound. You then *close* your grip to force the stick back down (the pull stroke). This video is showcasing moeller technique.
Some nitpicky but, in my opinion, necessary distinction to be made here: open/close is the opening and closing of the three fingers you mentioned to get two distinctive strokes in one motion. This is a prerequisite to push/pull, which, on top of open/close, uses the thumb to push the stick and the close motion of the fingers to pull it.
