Pyra/Mythra Is Not a Top 10 Smash Ultimate Character 

Maister deserves more credit as the best host on Luminosity

These 3 have such good chemistry bro

8:42 Gluttony traumatized my man 😭

“Mom and dad r fighting =(“

0:35 Maister flipping MKLeo the bird with a 3 frame start up 😂

I love how this is supposed to be hot takes review like the previous one, but the Aegis conversation got so heated it dominates the whole video and even affected the video title.

arguing about smash opinions is a top 10 human activity

You can really tell that this was filmed right after the last hot takes video. They were already heated coming into this one LMAO.

The chemistry between these three is so great, holy shit, always love seeing videos with them together.

These 3 remind me of Alvin and the Chipmunks. MKLeo is Alvin, Maister is Theodore and Tweek is Simon 😂

Do more of these they are so funny seeing 3 pro players genuine reactions to this game they’re passionate about. It’s looks like they’re acting, but they are just genuinely worked up by their difference in opinion

maister wearing that same arctic monkeys shirt every single episode

“It’s smash brothers, you die off stage!” I would agree in every other smash game, but in ultimate there’s such a small amount of characters that are easy to edge guard and aegis is one of them. Look at Diddy, Gavin essentially NEVER has people come off stage for him because his recovery is so good (a small amount of people, like Light, will go off for him tho)

I loved thissss so much it reminds me of all the discussions (arguments) i had with my friends post local while getting food. This was so wonderful, and it’s nice to know that at the top top level they still get heated like your local 2-2er

Tweek was definitely spitting with that Palu take though. Palu players hyper-fixate on one weakness that the character has while ignoring all of the things that the character is exceptional at. As someone who plays a bunch of mid tiers, it's just super annoying to see people complain about their top tier character.

I love their dynamic so much 😂 this is the friends we need

Aegis would be top 5 if Mythra didn't have to switch to a low tier to take stocks and if they didn't die offstage after being sneezed on.

8:42 Bro tweek was so disappointed

Not a single top player solo mains Aegis. The people who keep saying "just play Aegis better" are people who do NOT play Aegis, or who are low-level/mid-level players. Other characters are top 8 majors and winning them solo. Aegis is very powerful, and oppressive, and very good... but I think dismissing this fact is silly.

I agree with Leo. Leo, Sparg0 ... two of the greatest fundamentally sound Smash players cant solo main Aegis and win. Neither can Shuton. So ... if these 3 cant do it ... who can?

Roy above Aegis is crazy. His recovery is slightly better at most and he's just a worse character than Mythra in general. The more the character loses neutral the more the offstage issue is relevant. Fox is understandable, but you're again, trading a slightly better recovery for being one of the lightest characters in the game. Mythra having a sword takes away so many of the weaknesses Fox has. Fox always has to come in close, but trades for him are terrible and characters with good OoS dismantle him completely. None of that exists with Mythra. In the few matchups where her weaker shield pressure really becomes an issue (like Peach and Diddy,) she still has her superb manoeuverability to fight with. Like Tweek said, dash attack is ridiculous. In general, her burst range is unreactable. All she has to do is guess right. Fox can't fight his tougher mus like that, hence why they're worse. Aegis players just have to grind like every other character in the game. Character has everything you need, main thing to work on is just decision making/option select. Top 5.

I personally think Pyra and Mythra are really good chararcters (especially Pyra is underrated) but not as much as people say firstly because their recovery isnt really great and since I think that off stage plays are or should be a big part of the game its a pretty big negative and second Mythra's tilt attacks (at least I heard) are not safe on shield There's a RU-vid channel name Baselaard that covers pretty much Pyra and Mythra only and I think he's really good knowlegeable and honest about the chararcter As for the placement in a tier list I dont really like or belive in tier lists so I dont know And lastly this is just my opinion I am nowhere near a good player but these are my thoughts based on my experience and from watching some tournament sets on RU-vid

Started watching these videos for Leo and Tweek, but honestly Maister really carries them

This was great fun to watch😂 ITS CALLED SMASH BROTHERS!

maister dripped out in the arctic monkeys shirt again

They are so genuine it's pretty fun watching them interact

Aegis is on the lower side of the top tiers so i mostly do agree but shes like maybe 11 or 12 but not top 10

They should've added the curb your enthusiasm theme when showing the tweets

this episode was made for me (aegis downplayer)

I'm definitely on Leo's side here lol - 10 Characters I personally put above her are: 1-Steve 2-Sonic 3-Kazuya 4-Cloud 5-Fox 6-Joker 7-G&W 8-Palutena 9-MinMin 10-Snake 11-Wario 12-Peach 13-Pikachu 14-Shiek

This makes me miss the old Panda channel. Loving the chemistry!

Tweek is next to nairo as the biggest fox Hater, but even he was like nah ain't no way aegis is better.

5:27 that argument about aegis switch... I can't LMFAO

It makes me happy to know that these same arguments still happen at the top

Please do more of these hot takes videos, these are so fun to watch.

Who thinks Mythra gets a full combo from any hit? All the top level Aegis gameplay says otherwise. You get a full combo sometimes, but most of the time, you don't.

I think it's so debatable on Aegis because they either only analyse Pyra or Mythra. But the thing is you always have access to both. And that's the combination of both that makes the character so strong. You can see the same with Pokemon Trainer to a lesser degree. They're very lacking in specific areas alone but if you switch at the right time you can use the strengths of all of them to have a very solid character. To me that's the proof of perfectly designed characters with switching mechanics.

I think aegis are top 10 potential but they need a little more optimization in tournament to really get there. They’re kinda in the same position as steve where they’re so naturally good you don’t need to optimize them, so people simplify their gameplay. Also tweek is spitting about the hurtbox shifting, pyra forward air is like if you took melee marth’s grab and made it an aerial

My hot take for today to add to this is lucina is diet pyramythra without the switch weakness

This group discussing top tiers is actually the best smash timeline. Shoutouts yall

do more pls. this are so good

They are easily gimped but Mythra has Foresight and Pyra has giant hitboxes. People give Aegis and Kazuya players flak for being “carried by DLC” when in reality Shuton and Riddles carry them. You could say the same thing about 2019 MKLeo when Joker was new.

This is literally comedy gold -- who knew we needed Tweek and Leo on the same team to be the best chemistry I've ever seen in Smash lol

I think either Aegis isn’t top 10, or Chrom is better than people think, they are both similar in a few ways, recovery are both of their biggest weaknesses, and they both have amazing neutrals, Chrom would be top 5 with a better recovery, maybe even top 3 but I’m not sure

Maister called them mom and dad, but who’s which? Lol

Aegis is great in most ways except for top level solo main representation. Has seen more success as a secondary or counterpick. Very few bad mstchups really, so in theory someone could win majors maining Aegis. But especially since Cosmos fell off, no one is doing it. Steve, Cloud, Sonic, Wario, Diddy, G&W, Fox, ROB, and Joker have all won more major tournaments as someone's main pick. That's 9. Not sure what the 10th one would be though if not Aegis.

Favorite type of content from this group. Keep up the good work gentlemen!

Ok imma have to stop my goat mkleo, Cloud>Aegis is a crazy statement. (Kinda biased doe since I lowkey always thought ult cloud is one of the most overrated characters in all of smash. He is still in the top half of high tier to me but top 10?!?!?)

I feel like when people talk about where a character should be on a tier list it would be better to talk about what matchups they lose and how much they lose by (and what matchups they win and how much they win by) rather than just various attributes in a vacuum, because like, realistically an attribute in isolation means fairly little, while a matchup spread should represent how much of the lifting a character will do in bracket. it's something I've noticed as an thing a lot more in ultimate than other communities I'm involved in, and granted that's prolly because the roster for ult is absurdly huge, so it's harder to weigh all of them, but still

I love these guys, you can see how they respect each other, and are comfortable sharing their opinions with each other even tho they have different opinions 👍

we need maister, tweek, mkleo, sonix new podcast talking about king con and genisis x

I love how they argued about the Aegis for *more than half of the video* and still be entertaining as hell to watch 😂

Absolutely love these 👍 would love to see more these

The aegis arguments are very good. Because I main them and I think they are soo good and also so bad. Like you are like cloud in smash 4 but whiteout limit recovery

True hot topic is we should put unova legal again and don't listen to the palu mains cry

ngl, the tweet that said that the one's saying they're not top 10 are those who have mained Aegis speaks volumes to me. I'm not sure if Aegis is top 10 or not but to me she could be anywhere from 8 to 15, it's gotten to the point where it's too difficult to figure out. Hell, I even consider Sonic the best character, even over Steve.

you guys should have a switch close by to test some matchup specific topics

"That's called DISADVANTAGE state, who cares?!" Pythra players don't know what it's like to be in disadvantage, you can't blame em for not knowing.

If anybody that wasn’t MKLeo said “Aegis is not top 10”, they gonna get flamed. Gonna have to agree with Tweek here, Aegis is 100% top 10. Edit: just saw the ending, twitter flamed him lol

These three should have their own podcast lowkey this was gold

Leo is based for saying something controversial yet real I really wish people who think Pyra/Mythra are top 10 would actually try playing them and realize they're not just auto pilot easy

My goat chose violence

I need a sequel to this lol

Joker got jumped by G&w, Diddy Kong for joking too much

That was such a cool one, thank you guys and LG.

I saw the title of this video and went “SOMEBODY SAID IT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO”

"lowkey i think he's pressing another f-tilt.." BROOOOO😭😭😭

Hot take: Olimar is the most special character in smash cause he's the only one who's "chronologically" (however u say it😂) done weed. And even better he grows it himself

@Luminosity Smash Hot take: If Marth players get a grip on how to use the character, and learn to properly space and f-smash tech chases... He's top 15 and 2nd or 3rd best swordie in the entire game.

can we have more content with maister laughing?

Watching the 2 goats of smash urge like this is so funny. They both have totally different mindsets about the game. Smash needs more personality like this❤

“shirk is the best at killing” -Tweek Bro. What.

can yall please pay maister his money so that he can buy a different shirt

I was an Aegis main on her release and im a xenoblade fan but i started to lose faith in them a bit since everyone got so good at the mu. But this argument def made me realize that "yeah she instantly gets nuked off stage, but like, just dont let that happen and she is still god lol." Aegis is at least top 10 minimum even if she isnt that deep into top 10. But i think Aegis has to play more patient and just abuse that raw whiff punish alot more, but its hard to not just make a mistake and die. So i guess we should just think of her kinda of like Akuma from SF. She nukes you but she dies from basically anyone for any mistake. Shes still top 10 though imo at least.

This was super funny! I would love if we could see like a trivia video of something other than smash maybe like movie trivia look at what OpTic Gaming does.

Steve, Sonic, ROB, GNW, Snake, Kazuya, Min Min, Palutena --- Joker, Cloud, Aegis, Fox, Peach, Pikachu, Wario, Wolf, Roy, Sheik, Mario and Yoshi? When the hypothetical type 10 turns into a top 20.

the hot takes series is some of, if not **THE** the best content luminosity has ever made imo, this shit bangs

They should do content where they all play sports outside like that one summit

I really wonder what this sounds like to someone who doesn't play video games

MKLeo will always be my GOAT but saying Wario is better than Aegis is insane to me.... I guess even the best in the world feel the urge to downplay their characters lol.

"Mom and Dad are fighting" LMAOOO 😂, Imagine ur parents settling their arguments in First to Fives 😂

Aegis is 100% a top 5 character, but Leo is kinda spitting with some of his points 😂

Leo is spitting facts tbh

Cold take: Maister with the leather jacket and arctic monkeys shirt is awesome

I wanna see Nairo react to this so bad

If aegis is broken even with a bad recovery so is chrom

leo spitting so hard esp w the wario take. that char is insane

Other than Spargo who else is putting Cloud on the map. I dont think Cloud is stop 10 he get gimped so easily. but players dont know how to abuse his recovery and Spargo is a God. and Leo has to be capping Aegis is top 5 if not top 10 at best lol like what? just cuz he didnt have success and has a mental block vs Gluto doesnt mean she isnt top 10 lol.

10 better than Aegis: Steve Sonic Peach Joker G&W Diddy Snake Fox Cloud Min Min Picks Rob

Maister has a nice Jacket

I could watch them all argue for days. I could watch Leo fuck with Tweek for years 😂

So thid is the origin story to that famous Leo tweet

Aegis player try not to downplay your character challenge (Impossible)

i need that dk arctic monkeys t shirt

Tweek got so red-faced when he called Leo a masher 3:00

This video was recorded 2 months ago wow

So... Mii swordfighter... What do we say about them? Crappy? Not that good? I think... (depending on) the move set, can be a really good character 👌

I agree that humanoids characters hurtbox shift all the freaking time

The Maister laugh kills me.

It was supposed to be hot takes and now the entire episode is just about aegis tier list spot