Imagine breaking into some semi famous youtuber with a funny beards house and you just hear screaming in broken french followed by a very mechanical "KA-CHUNK"
Also maybe military history tied to certain alcohols or mixes? Greg already likes to discuss the origin and context, so if there are any tied more heavily into military actions or necessity of environment?
Also, bottlenecked rounds have historically proven less than perfect in revolvers, at least high pressure ones. They tend to push back more than straight walled cases so the spent brass drags against the breech face and makes rotating the cylinder more difficult.
Now Harry Turtledove needs to write a follow up to guns of the south, where a mysterious time traveller with a tidy goatee supplies the French army with Ppsh41s.
He also looks remarkably similar to the mysterious figure that supplied them with 7.5x54mm MAS-36 rifles and MAC-24/29 light machine guns back in 1893.
Losing part of the rifle while out riding would be an utter nightmare. You wouldn't even know till you got the thing off your back and you might have ridden twenty miles since the thing fell out. Cheers for the upload Ian.
I can't remember the movie but I know i saw one where a bad guy kicks in someone's front door only to find some old guy sitting on the tripod of a Maxim, helmet and all grinning maniacally as he opens up on the guy.
I had a boss who was in an MG34 crew in the early 80s, he said when they got them they had been in storage for years, had a lot of problems with parts shearing.
I can sympathise with the French cavalry searching for their bolt plugs after searching for Steyr AUG gas parts that get dislodged in dense trees. Just like Ian said, NCOs yelling ‘we’re not going anywhere until numbnuts finds his gas plug.’ Fond memories.
I have spent the last 6 months rebuilding a Wildey myself, and in the process I actually got to talk quite a bit with one of the former designers of the gun. He had some very cool stories rangin from the set of Death Wish 3 to obscure metalurgy manufacturing details. If you are interested in doing such an interview, I can provide contact details.
25:08 Ian: "My home defense gun is a Maxim..." Me: "holy sh*t Ian uses a Maxim Machinegun as a home defense gun!!!" Ian: "Silencerco maxim nine" Me: "ohhhhhhh"
As far as I can remember, Norway had a mix of MG34 and MG42 machine guns after the war but a deal was made where we traded our 42s for 34s with the fledgling Bundeswehr. The Germans wanted to standardise on the 42 in a modernised variant, and a trade was agreed upon so both countries could standardise on something instead of both having a mix in service. As for the failure of the NATO conversion of the 34, I've heard from people who took part in that program that a problem was loss of institutional knowledge on how to run the 34 properly. Keeping these running in all sorts of field units takes a fair amount of maintenance and a special sulphur-bearing lubricant, units had been gradually losing the knowledge of how to properly operate those guns over a few generations so even unmodified guns in good condition were having problems in the field. So maybe the conversion to 7.62 NATO wasn't bad in itself, it was more of a training issue. Remember, at the time we had a conscript army and no real NCO corps to maintain the knowledge of the practical details that weren't found in manuals.
30:00 Your comment about just getting used to shooting right handed reminded me of my hockey stick. When I was in grade school, perhaps fourth or fifth grade, dad took me to buy a hockey stick. We had no idea that there were right and left handed sticks. Naturally I picked a left handed stick despite me being right handed. To this day I shoot and play much better left handed than right handed! I just got used to it.
I was part of troop training for a new artillery piece for the Army. We did take the guns out for weeks/months and absolutely discovered unforseen problems. Loved this video
Hey Ian, I always love watching all your videos. You're probably 30% or more of my RU-vid consumption. I appreciate the passion and knowledge you bring to the subject of firearms and I feel like you do a great job representing your views - and you make very enjoyable content.
It is encouraging to hear that parts kits will still be coming in. There are even some AK-12 and AK-15 kits showing up on forums and such. Maybe the future of the US surplus market is going to be increasingly parts-kits based. Maybe not so bad if we can use additive manufacturing (mainly sintered laser printing) to make more complex receivers in small batches
We're going on 21 - 22 years since the cartridge was released, and it definitely has a following, but the one thing that would establish it as a major innovation hasn't really happened yet. That thing would be its adoption by a major LE user. Until that happens it will remain a niche cartridge. It's an excellent cartridge, a huge improvement over the .32 H&R Mag. I enjoy shooting and reloading for it. It'd be nice to see a few more manufacturers offer more models to choose from. A reputable maker with an 8" barrel version would make a heck of a Deer gun.
Italian mg-42/59 (7,62 Nato) have a modified bolt that lowers the cyclic rof down to around 800rpm. They’re nicknamed Maria Grazia by the troops and are still in widespread use as a gpmg. Sf guys tipically use 7,62x51 minimis instead but are often still trained on the old mg-42/59. The reception from what I gathered is -> reliable, powerful but SO heavy and cumbersome to slog around
Revolving Rifles are actually quite popular in Australia, where they are far easier to obtain for your average shooter than that of a 10/22 or any other semi-automatic rifle (of which are almost impossible to acquire). They allow shooters in restrictive countries to own a legal quasi semi-auto.
To the point no spitzer bullets in handguns: Another important point is stabilisation. Shorter bullets need less stabilisation than longer. And when a bullet leaves the muzzle, this stabilisation is achieved in some distance of the muzzle. And that is the reason, why rifle bullets could have a deeper penetration at longer distances. Gen. Julian S. Hatcher conducted some tests in the book "Hatchers Notebook". On the other hand, as Ian said, pistol bullets are mostly used on short distance, an the stabilisation problem is better solved with a big diameter, short bullet.
I may be wrong here, but I thought the MG-1 was a 42 manufactured in 7.62 NATO, the MG-2 was an existing 8mm MG-42 converted to 7.62 NATO, and that the MG-3 was an improvement that among other things reduced the rate of fire
"They don't want me running off with it if it's perhaps a FAMAS..." Imagine the chaos that would ensue if in the full auto famas video Ian ran off with it at the end, and 6 months later he says he now owns a fully automatic famas.
You know, I never thought about the differences in handgun and rifle calibers, and why the former tend to be larger, but it's so obvious now that you explain it.
Excellent presentation as always Ian. If I may make one small remark concerning the MG42 topic: modern drone technology as well as the use of light attack aircraft such as the Super Tucano has made the use of machine guns in the anti-aircraft role relevant again. In my opinion it will only increase in importance.
Against drones, I expect high power jamming, not guns. I'm talking about enough power to smoke the drone, burn out the electronics. That's probably 1000+watts. A Super Tucano is not effective in a full combat environment. It's a great Counter-insurgency plane. But against opposition that has Stingers or SA7s, it's skeet.
ian: "after the end of world war 2--" my brain: "the world was split into two, east and west, this marked the beginning of the era called the cold war"
The question about auction lots: the exception is where you have two people who are each the only person who want two different items. They end up bidding each other up if they are in a single lot but get "their" item on the first bid if they are separate. (Which by the way is true other kinds of auctions as well.)
Ian please include pictures with these talks if they are available it would help with following the narrative. you have one of the most interesting programs on yt
As a fellow left hander I also don't need a Left hand modern weapon. I am accustomed to adapting. The only time a left hander weapon might have been needed was in the flintlock days when the pan location would need to be on the left to keep the flash away from the face.
Another problem with a revolver rifle is having all the holes of the cylinder open and just waiting to be filled with dirt and mud. This is not really a problem for sporting use, but for military use, with soldier throwing themselves on the ground and crawling through the muck, the gun would get clogged and made useless very quickly.
@@ostiariusalpha By the time these revolver rifles were around, the post Civil War US Cavalry had gone back to using horse mounted troops more as Dragoons rather than pure cavalry. So back to the problems.
@@barttorbert5031 Revolver rifles pre-date the U.S. Civil War, so they perfectly well could have fired them from horseback; and in fact, Colt revolver rifles were carried by the pre-war Pony Express riders for just such use. And dragoons may dismount to fire, but they were entirely too proud to "crawl through muck" as you previously commented. The chambers would have remained pretty clean.
@@ostiariusalpha I do now remember that one post Civil War US Cavalry regiment (which one slips my mind at the moment) did try revolver rifles. But the troopers were really freaked out about not being able to hold the rifle past the cylinder with their non-trigger hand to avoid chain firing and being burned. One trick was to rotate the loading lever down onto an empty chamber and hold onto it. It just never worked. I have to push back on the comment about "too proud to crawl through the muck". Look at all the illustrations of the cavalry in the Indian wars. Get down behind a bush or a rock to keep from being shot.
If you had the full kit for a unit with MG42 the kit had springs, boosters and bolt parts to change the cyclic rate up and down from 600 rpm to 1,200. It seems only some units were able and willing to keep the kits and then use them where lower rates would have advantageous.
I feel sorry for the CSI personnel who have to examine the corpse of whoever trespassed at Ian's house: There was no sound of gunshots, the corpse had wounds of unknown (and forgotten) calibers ... and the last sentence of the deceased was "sacrebleu ! "
I appreciate the mental image of CSI desperately attempting to identify the model of the murder weapon, but it’s actually a one off prototype with unique ammunition and Ian stuffed the only surviving copy in an airtight box underground in a sand dune
Exactly. If it wasnt for the AP capacity, the round would have been dead on arrival. Even the .22 TCM is loaded with round nose, it takes a special application to justify that weird kind of round.
Yes, there is the 5.7, but it wasn't built as a handgun round. It was made as a PDW round first. It's about like calling the .30 Carbine a pistol round because there are a couple of pistols that happen to be chambered for it. Edit: and it's also a *really* long grip. I have decent sized hands (4" across the knuckles, can span an octave on the piano), and it was a reach for me to get my finger on the trigger.
@@MaaveMaave Pistol energy but still based on rifle style cartridge ballistics. Light bullet, with enough powder to make it shoot quite flat for a pistol/PDW. Additionally, because of the ballistics, it penetrates a lot of things better than 9mm, as intended.
Nice answer on the troop trials. I was in the army for a few years and going out in the field and making sure all your gear works together is very important. Each soldier has a certain way they like to setup their gear and training with new weapons/equipment allows them to reorganize their battle rattle. For instance when we deployed to Iraq we were giving the Interceptor vests which didn’t really work with the LBE gear we had previously. Unfortunately we didn’t get much training time before deploying and had to learn how to reorganize our gear while on patrols.
You're the 2nd source that's stated the MG-34 was preferred over the MG-42 by post war forces, but you're explanation as to "why" is much more in depth Ian. I don't recall the title of the book I read about that in, as it was many years ago.
I had the opportunity to shoot some SMG's and Machine guns in Poland last year. One of the Machine guns was an MG 42..and given my impression just from having seen pictures of it... I was actually shocked by the WEIGHT. That really is quite a heavy gun!
Having put a few out myself, I look forward to your Wildey video. I believe the big problem yours had at the back up match was failure to get the gun tuned to the ammo. I find one needs to do at least 200 rounds of a specific load of Wildey (in either caliber) before one can say I have adjusted the gas feed so that the gun works perfectly with this specific cartridge. Of course any variation whatsoever in primer, powder type and charge, or bullet design and weight necessitates a whole new 200 round test and adjustment of gas port. It isn't in tune yet if you can't rapid fire 3 full magazines. 2.5 magazines means you need to do more fiddling. That .45 Win Mag or 9mm Win mag ammo is expensive must be viewed as irrelevant and of much lower priority to finding the correct gas port setting. It should be noted that disassembly and cleaning may also necessitate a new sequence of gas port adjustment. This may be a factor in why the gun was not adopted as a military service pistol by someone. Cost and weight become less important than issues of consistent reliability. :)
Thanks for answering my questions. After seeing the C&Rsenals two episodes on the Madsen 1905 I have to agree, setting up a brand new production line for that gun would be a pain in the rear. Even if the german spies managed to get their hands on the data package.
You should really find a way to do a rifle/musket + sword-bayonet video with Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria). Your Knowledge sets would be very commentary for a weapon-set which was meant to be used together, but whose enthusiasts have diverged into separate groups in recent decades.
Regarding handgun calibers without spear point bullets the exception that proves Ian's argument is 5.7x28. It's a spear point bullet but it has the ballistics of .22 WMR because they have to make it that small to fit in handgun mag wells. And even then the two handguns that fire it are not tiny, they have pretty chunky grips front to back. What you get out of that cartridge is that it will penetrate most soft body armor but it's only shooting 30 grain bullets so you have to shoot your target more than once through the body armor unless you get lucky and hit something super vital on the first shot. In developing that cartridge FN traded bullet weight and diameter for speed for the express purpose of penetrating soft body armor. But if your target isn't wearing body armor almost any other handgun caliber will do more damage in fewer shots.
If you could get your hands on them I’d love to see you break down some modern rifles like the SCAR or M27 IAR, either on forgotten weapons or In Range.
I bought that Kyro Whiskey for my dad for fathers day after I saw you recommend it in the last video, and I gotta say, that is one of the most unique Rye Whiskey's Ive ever had. It slaps you right in the face with Rye.
@@not-a-theist8251 : I know, that the ,Deutsch - Französische Krieg' or, 70er Krieg' is called so in english language countries, it was just to note the prussian allies.
I was in a small castle (Just a tower really) in Rye, Kent, UK. One of the items on display is a small revolver that could swap out the cylinder to accommodate black powder rounds or a metallic cartridge case. If my memory is reliable (don't bet on it) it was in .32, made in the 1880s, and was displayed in its original box with cleaning kit and other stuff. Have you seen anything like this?
Holy crap looking for lost mas 36 bolt plugs during training sounds too familiar. In basic training we had to look for a firing pin retaining pin in a massive pit of shredded rubber. It was the company exercise area. Took us a weekend but we found it.
Hi, Ian, great vid as always, just to let you know that Portugal also used the MG3, I have a picture of my dad posing with one shooting from the hip taken in 73, while he was in Guinea-Bissau, way before rambo did it :) btw, when I was conscripted in 2000 we were still using it, thx for all the great vids.
For Dan Carlin, I would suggest voicing parts of his podcast. But you need to focus on Project Lightening II AND Project SubLightening(pre1946 smgs and the a Cold War smg edition)
Yeah, that's RU-vid's new(-ish) chapter feature. If you have timestamps in the description, it'll do that automatically. An actual positive update to the RU-vid interface.
According to Max Popenker's website The MG3 weights 10.5kg and the MG5 weights 11.6kg. The weight isn't for sure Not the reason the Bundeswehr phases out slowly the MG3 in favor of the MG5. Rheinmetall doesn't produces the MG3 anymore and I read somewhere the Bundeswehr aquires licenced produced spareparts for their inventory from Turkey and Pakistan to keep them running, at least for some time.
It's probably a related reason--tooling costs. The tooling for stamped parts is much more expensive than that for modern CNC milling, so having a stamped gun makes sense only if you have very large ground forces, as Turkey and Pakistan do. The Heer today is rather small, so it doesn't make sense for Rheinmetall to tool up to make MG3s again.
40:45 The German army uses a five chamber revolver cannon, the Mauser BK-27, on planes and ships in preference over something like the M61 Gatling-type gun the US uses in similar applications. Reason being that while the M61 has a much higher sustained rate of fire but being mechanically operated it takes time to spin up. The BK-27 is gas operated so does not need to spool up and as a consequence during the typically short bursts (0.5sec) these things are used in during combat the Mauser throws twice as much lead at the enemy than the M61.
In World War One I think there were also a lot of people early on who thought they needed weapons immediately because they thought the war would end soon.
Troop trials should also discover the user issues like the ability to lock to weapons together by inserting a fixed bayonet into the bayonet tube of another rifle.
I might have missed it but I don't think he said they did. He said they made MG42s which is accurate. Steyr and Beretta both started making new MG42/59s for Austria and Italy.
