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The best thing we individual hindu in can do is ...telling this story to our family and our friends ...I m goan hindu ...if I travel outside goa I tell this story to peopl I meet I m Goan hindu and whatever she said is true story of Goa ....my grand mother who lived in portugues era ...narrated same story ....that people were forcefuly converted ....our temples were destroyed and churches were built on it ....it includes Xavier church ....rosery church ...nd many churches ...the problem with goans is that most of the schools are run by Christians... they promote Catholicism ....and our goan history is not taught in goan books ....evn if u discuss such topic with Christian they wil nagate this and wil say we are proud catholic ....because agreeing to history means bringing bad name to Christianity and they wouldn't want it ....

What is the point in living in the past. Talking about Sati, Dowry etc. Yes it's history. If the present generation is hurt by what the Portuguese did centuries back go to Portugal & take your revenge. No one will stop you. But your out dated talks will disturb the minds of present youth who are so ambitious to move ahead in life. So also the present Sr. Citizens are very different they love experiencing new things in life & love traveling the world. This shows who cares what the Portuguese or British or Dutch or Moguls or Arabs did. Today Indians are all over the globe living a happy life with their families. Madam you & few of your followers can live in the past but pls don't disturb those people who want a peaceful & happy life. Bcoz we live a life only once. Thank you.

@@frankancypereira9426 no sir...we should always remember our past and learn from it...You may not want to ..but we want..We are Indians first

To : Kevin John, I am an Indian & Love my country & its culture. I see your point : " would like to know the past & learn from it. " Let me ask you, what are you going to learn from your past. Tortures, killings, hunger, imprisonment without trial, humiliation - Yes the work of freedom fighter is worth remembering " God Bless their Soul." But they never got it in a silver plate. Pls don't remember its heart breaking. But move on to a better pasture have a big dream & be ambitious for an excellent future. Your past will disturb your mind & might even be a hindrance to a happier life. Our ancestors faced turf time to gift us the freedom we live today. Thank & pray for their souls 🙏 RIP.

@@frankancypereira9426 ..I will learn and ensure that such things will not and should not happen in future..

Show them videos from our channel. Ask them to read Swarajya Magazine. And the most significant book of recent times is a book called "Avarana" by SL Bhyrappa. It is on the horrible times of Aurangzeb and a contemporary story of a liberal Hindu woman who marries a muslim out of love -- and what hell she goes through. The original is in Kannada, but there is a brilliant English translation. Please buy many copies of 'Avarana' and share with more and more people.

Poonam Abbi shut up you low caste hater.

49 nishant how tf do u know that he/she's a low caste hater?

come on, it is about how open you are to read widely and acquire knowledge from whichever source you come across. I didn't learn this from school, but I did hear or know of this from history books decades ago.

What sent fireants up in your undies?

out of context

Lesson is Hindus of the world unite!

@@user-lv1wn5wq7n YES YOU ARE OUT OF CONTEXT

False history by shefali.

@@vivacristorey4728 Let us hear true history from you.

can you please tell name of your high school one any other ones in similar situation

Rakesh Kumar watch this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cVCb1C-smE8.html

but it is force, inducement and lies here. And still ppl not facing any repercussions.

Hindus won't, or shouldn't, have a problem with modern education and know-how being disseminated. They do rightly have a serious issue with denigration of their Indic/Dharmic heritage, and the use of education as a cover for proselytization or conversion.

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False history

@@vivacristorey4728 who are you and what credentials do you have to call my history false?

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I'm moved too!

The best thing we individual hindu can do is ...by telling this story to our family and our friends ...I m goan hindu ...if I travel outside goa I tell this story to peopl I meet I m Goan hindu and whatever she said is true story of Goa ....my grand mother who lived in portugues era ...narrated same story ....that people were forcefuly converted ....our temples were destroyed and churches were built on it ....it includes Xavier church ....rosery church ...nd many churches ...the problem with goans is that most of the schools are run by Christians... they promote Catholicism ....and our goan history is not taught in goan books ....evn if u discuss such topic with Christian they wil nagate this and wil say we are proud catholic ....because agreeing to history means bringing bad name to Christianity and they wouldn't want it ....

Imran Atheist .... Pope to apologize! Are you making fun of Pope? Popes don't do that unless they get money out of it. Christian missionaries have done this in many countries. To them it's akin to introducing civilization into the dark (skin color) world. It was a huge industry in the 16th to 19th century. All kind of people were recruited without background check and all the criminals and pedophile entered into the system. Hell a Lula. Stories of suffering, from American aboriginals to Australian aboriginals and anywhere between India, Africa, were tell tale of the Pope atrocities.

Sure how about an apology fro Krishna who could have prevented fratricide and genocide but chose that moment to release his opus magnum on predestination and dharma on the eve of the war. Seriously! We are human beings first, language is acquired, where we come from is an accident of birth, what we do to improve the lives of our fellow travellers and not some dead idiotic human being someone anointed as God, like the broke ass Venkatveshwara who borrowed money and couldn't pay and so his followers pay his debts at Balaji, bankrupt beliefa, bankrupt practices. Mythological figures parading as Gods. Use your education and stop believing this utter nonsense. ritsin.com/lord-vishnu-borrowed-lord-kubera.html/

Charlie Bottle Your inability to grasp subjective imagery as such is a great symptom of your poor educational background. I choose not to indulge in pig wrestling with you

Hey Charlie, puff, puff and pass it on. Don't keep it to yourself. Your view is as ridiculous today as intelligent design or flat earth hypothesis. There is nothing mythology in ancient scripts except they'er manipulated by the invaders. We've come a long way from Max Muller's era. During the last 14,000 (since the Vedic era) years or more India has gone through many invasions and invaders weren't humble, intelligent or moderate people. They were mostly savages who destroyed and manipulated most of the Indian temples and holy scriptures. Religion is a concept, an ancient science where seekers of knowledge come together with hypothesis to form an idea about who we're, what is universe and how does it function etc. Even after all these events nothing need to be taken in its face value. Many things were used metaphorically. But even after gone through those atrocities Indian Scriptures are much better than any other fables from the middle east. If you have time go through the following link. Very interesting one. realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/White_people.htm

imran atheist, Is this the line you use when you lose when wrestling at the akaddha? How do you know hkw educated I am when you don't even know me, your handle is Imran (a muslim name) you are an atheist as per your handle but you are arguing for hindutva, are you a troll or a bot? I guess you feel inferior because you cannot debate besides throwing four names. That is OK, "hum bhi kya yadh rakhenge ki aap jaise gyani se palla pada tha!" Om Shanti!

they are different because of christian and portuguese influence

a weird thought occurred to me Mahesh , that we are talking of Goa, only because it made some sense to talk about it, think about the lost lands like Pakistan, Afghanistan. Hindus are expert in losing grounds, Hindu religion can only compete and co-exist with Jainism and Buddhism which are Dharmic religions(unorganized and individualistic). Otherwise, we always find ourself defeated when it comes to Abrahamic (organised and herd mentality) . Even Atal bihari vajpayee said this that we are divided too much on many levels ,thats why a small clan from Ghazni came and looted us . So either Hinduism need a organised reform so as to maintain its existence or become lost like other lost religions.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sarke uloilo We stil have this caste issue among us .....that advantage is taken by others even in cancone we have every temple run by particular caste Wch sometimes hurt others so we need to tak out this kind of mind set

The best thing we individual hindu can do is ...by telling this story to our family and our friends ...I m goan hindu ...if I travel outside goa I tell this story to peopl I meet I m Goan hindu and whatever she said is true story of Goa ....my grand mother who lived in portugues era ...narrated same story ....that people were forcefuly converted ....our temples were destroyed and churches were built on it ....it includes Xavier church ....rosery church ...nd many churches ...the problem with goans is that most of the schools are run by Christians... they promote Catholicism ....and our goan history is not taught in goan books ....evn if u discuss such topic with Christian they wil nagate this and wil say we are proud catholic ....because agreeing to history means bringing bad name to Christianity and they wouldn't want it ....

@Sheetal verma agreed 100%😭. I don't need anybody's apology. It is not going to bring anything back. And yes , in some ways I'm disgusted with it, we didn't just lost people but alot of things and it cannot be undone 😭

@@ashkumar3208 a weird thought occurred to me Ash, that we are talking of Goa, only because it made some sense to talk about it, think about the lost lands like Pakistan, Afghanistan. Hindus are expert in losing grounds, Hindu religion can only compete and co-exist with Jainism and Buddhism which are Dharmic religions(unorganized and individualistic). Otherwise, we always find ourself defeated when it comes to Abrahamic (organised and herd mentality) . Even Atal bihari vajpayee said this that we are divided too much on many levels ,thats why a small clan from Ghazni came and looted us . So either Hinduism need a organised reform so as to maintain its existence or become lost like other lost religions.

@@amaysharma5408 no I digress from this topic actually....the real reason is we lost because of insiders helping them(infact I must say our ancestors were pretty strong "Kshatriya" jatis especially , because wherever they went it was concurred pretty soon in a few decades, but with Bharat it took them almost 6-8 century approx. and that too later got destroyed by Marathas.).... secondly the talk of "we"(as in Hindus comes only comes now)....the different jatis(tribes) never actually were united(and even if they were it was because of common interest which is true to this day). Common folk never participated in violence (at least not at a scale of how these abhramic people do it, yes that includes not just religion but the idealogy which is the result of it , i.e. , communism, socialism, atheist, etc). Thirdly, it's is not that I'm totally disappointed, because perhaps if you realise most of the jatis are coming forward (even in the name of "Hindus") , many have done "Ghar wapasi", we need to be patient and wait . Fourthly, I really do think that there is a big room for Hindu-party(not just BJP , but 10-20) and yes not to forget "gurukuls" if(this is just my wish ok?) I want at least one gurukul in every village of the Bharat only then we will be able to teach next generation about us....we don't learn these things in school that's why.

@@ashkumar3208 forget about disagreeing/ agreeing from you , Mai to yahi dekh ke prasann ho gaya ki apne 5 mahine apne purane comment ke reply pe bhi reply kiya ,it shows that you are both conscious and concerned enough to this cause. Hats off

Yeah, I'm Christian and I have been forcing the priests and leaders to at least acknowledge and apologise for what the Church and done and leave the people of other religion alone and let them practise their own religion.

Shrimant Sanjaye The happiest period for Goa was under Kannada Kadamba kings and Kannada Vijayanagara kings

Shivaji and sambhaji maharaja contributed hugely

Charlie Bottle is this what you say to Jews too?

she did mention that the pope was not involved and it was a political decision by the rulers of Portugal. What is certain is that the top class Hindus were never converted but only the lower caste and some few upper castes maybe. In which Case these top class Hindus who also invited AA to Goa should apologize to the Goa Christians who were a predominantly weaker force to fight or run away.

Rica Rod that's not what she said, the pope orchestrated the inquisition

Bruce V Which Pope, go dig up his corpse and ask him to apologise. You are like a child throwing a tantrum and making ridiculous requests, just to please your puny ego. Go away you silly bugger.

Charlie Bottle the current Pope can do it.

Anyone is welcome to leave the country if they feel, they will be better off elsewhere. There is no better country than India for the minorities. This arrogance should stop. Otherwise leave and that will be good riddance.

You are a bundle of twisted logic. The Christians have been blamed for Conversions and their places of worship have been desecrated in most parts of the country. Cow ban is similar to the inquisition. There is ethnic cleansing in some Christian dominated states which cannot be denied. Remember that Pintos were the first to start a rebellion against the Portuguese but when it comes to eating our cake now, you will not hesitate to blame the Christians for your twisted and witty logic. The Christians are migrating to Portugal and so are the Hindus. Do you think the Hindus are happy in India? This is mainly because of your lazy attitude to live life in the name of religion. When you don't know to dance you blame the dance floor. You will bring this country to its knees with that attitude. Your type was present before the Portuguese and for that reason, you will bring India to its Knees with all that superiority complexes that you live in. The Superiority Complex is because of your inferiority and insesurity to suirvive the competition and thus use religion to protect your commercial needs

The comments were not necessary directed against Christian community. However your comments are out of line. Cow ban is not inquisition and there is no ethnic cleansing of any minorities. To some extent it is the other way around. Cow ban provision is also part of constitution right from the beginning. A few unfortunate incidents by some miscreants cannot be used as an excuse to malign the whole majority. Christians are well respected and Christmas is celebrated nationwide. So don't create unnecessary problems. No matter how you put it, coerced conversions of majority will have to stop and is unacceptable. Religion is a matter of heart if you are able to understand. It is not about numbers. This business of only membership in certain religions will provide pathway to salvation is not rational. So whats the problem of Hindus migrating to other countries for better prospects? And this is not because of lazy attitude due to religion. On the contrary belief in Karma/Action acts as a motivating force for people to travel abroad for livelihood. No one has superiority complex the way you put it. No one can bring India to its Knees. That's all very silly. It seems superiority is in your mind. Try to understand concepts of other religions also. You won't be converted, it will only enlighten you.

When there are people who criticise our constitution and is accepted by her as true, Why can't I bring in issues that disturb me and express my opinion? What I feel, is what I wrote here and above.These are my feelings. Please go through the discussions and find out who is blaming whom? It is as if after 70 years this group has suddenly become intellectuals.The minority upper caste always plays the victims when power has been concentrated all these years with them. They should have integrated with other castes and become as one community if they wanted such unity.

Really shocking, we should start a world wide campaign, and send out Maharishis to all corners of the world to proseletyse the world to hinduism. We should start wirh Pakistan and make all those muslims who were hindus before they were converted on the edge of the sword. We should convert them with the rudra mala. Then we should convert the whole middle east, persia, russia, any country that has a Stan at the end of its name. Lastly we shouuld make the whole West Hindu. What a glorious day when the mantras are chanted the whole world over. It will be the great world wide hindu civilization. Sanskrit slokas taught in every school, a mandir on every street corner with its own pujari and many, many vighrahas. Then only this kalyuga will end and a golden age will be heralded.

As you are a racist Hindu. I am preoccupied with uplifting humanity you and your ilk on the on the other hand not much, good luck keep watching this idiot she is your ticket to nirvana and a restoration of The great Civilization of India, The Great Vishwa Bharat that spanned all the way to Java, Sumatra and Borneo. Good Bye Suckers! Have a good life!

Thanks is why the jews are the most hated community and they are a screw loose in their minds. I have several Jewish friends and I know what they are going thru. hahhaha

Charlie - Super good. People get misguided and they are mere feeble minded and cannot think out of the box. If everyone channelized their energy to build a great nation - that would be appreciated. Rather than going down in the muck and pleasing their politicians and getting carried away and getting succered. The politicians make money and common man gets nothing but a disturbed mind and indirectly affects his health.

Criminology 101 nation and church both should apologise World should apologise Hindus

Yes so shall the Catholics and Muslims will not forgive if you don't. Eye for an eye, we shall drive you Hindus out of abroad countries now how about that?

This message must b fully spread all around in Goa we must know the fact about our past

LONG LIVE CHRISTIANITY .

Absolutely. And that they come from a Hindu and liberal and universalist worldview and creator/creation view of life -- something that neither Islam nor Christianity offers. Advaita. Everything is Conscious. All that is manifest is Divine.

imran atheist , CORRECTION : THE GOAN PEOPLE SHOULD BE REMINDED THAT THEIR ANCESTORS WERE HINDUS !!!

I agree my ancestors were hindus, and animists, and nomads and hunter gatherers and came from Africa. But they were my ancestors, they are not me, as per your dharma, I am a soul that inherited a body, a place, a language and a tradition, it is not me. I can like my ancestors who left Africa 65000 years ago claim the world as my home. Good luck with the career you have made spreading a fanatical hatred and your love of your religion and traditions and to all who wish to wander in darkness, offering foods to God's and pour gold into temple coffers while billions suffer from poverty, sickness, ignorance and disease, when you face the real issues leaving India in ignorance like corruption, inept politicians who hide behind a false nationalism, and religiosity, then you will have something good. Until then, your message and life in the greater scheme is meaningless.

Charlie Bottle on comparison, would you choose any other religion over Hinduism and if yes why

imran atheist As an atheist you probably believe that which is defined cannot be God. Let us go back into history to decide which is the best religion, is the one which created apartheid even before the term existed the best religion? The caste system is one of the most shameful system of denigrating other human beings in the world. How can people be so ignorant and proud of a system that reduces a human being on the basis of a profession with absolutely no ablilty to redeem this generational condemnation is beyond me. Forget that they coat this uncomfortable truth in a stupid concept of predestination, anyone in this day and age that believes this nonsense then deserves to be treated the way these rosecolored revivalist hindu neofascists want to portray the world as one where hinduism was a benign religion of the golden age where the sunkings ruled, with the prayers and support of the different castes that were treated equally. Tell this to the Dalits of India. This presenter who so evocatively spoke in English is a product of a unifying education that was a gift from the British, because if the British never came, the Brahmins would have been the only ones educated. Which explains why people flocked to Buddhism, Islam and Christianity, because it levelled the playing field of life to a greater extent and not because they were bribed, or payed or inquisitioned as we are being made to believe. Why follow a backward looking religion of myriads of God's who cannot smell, yet they offer them flowers, who cannot eat, yet they offer them food, who cannot see, yet they light lamps before them. The blindness is not within the idols it is within the people who cannot see that these idols can do nothing for them, they are folklore of people of an ancient people that became the mores and folkways of illiterate people who made every thing they saw in nature a spirit and a God. Apologies are due from your Hindu Pope if you have one behinning with Sita as the first abused woman and womankind, followed by all those of the Shudra castes for the abuse endured by them at the hands of all castes above them to the point where even their shadow was anathema. Apologies are due to Gandhi for he was assasinated for his hindu faith and his belief that we are all Harijans, by a group of hindus. Where should we begin this litany of apologies and greviances, from centuries ago to the present, where a false nationalism and aa belief in a nonexistent civilization is destroying the secular fabric of India and seeks to destroy the constitution and the ideals for which hundreds of thousands laid their lives for us to be free from the yoke of colonaliasm. Go ahead destroy India, the Pakistanis and Chinese are waiting to splinter India into small nation states, just like we were before the colonialists came, we will invite them to fight our modern day Afil Shah's and Rajahs and Maharajahs. India if this foolishness persist will become worse than Africa, used and abusef by everynation under the sun, because of corrupt, greedy selfserving leaders, we are already halfway there. m.timesofindia.com/india/india-slips-in-corrupt-nations-list/articleshow/63036179.cms Jai Hind! Satyame Vijayathe!

Modern World He didn't said government of India but by the government of Kerala , both governments Congress and leftist, especially by the leftis playing a major role ,as you said Christian institutions and employment of middle East playing a roll but all these can control by a powerful government or have to be that's all ,these two are playing for poletcian benefits only

I second that.

That is part of it...the other part is more material. I think we all know what needs to be done. There has to be justice for the Dalits and then charity work for all other people. Too often, we Hindus will stick to our families and not treat others with the same kindness when in our scriptures it tells us to have charity, compassion and justice. A religion without charity cannot last. Civilizations collapse. Hindus have collapsed before and if we Hindus don't take care of the stranger, the down trodden, we will all fall.

That because they identify themselves as indians first and hindus later. Everyone else is axtian. momoin first, anything else later. Until this mindset changes in hindus they will continue shrinking and dying off.

Cuz you aren't one. If you were one then you would realise that though those crimes were committed by people who Proclaimed themselves to be Christians. Did the Holy Bible or the word of God ever allow those people to do so? Or were they done by themselves against the will of God .

Don't be ashamed, just do what is right.

@@cavaleiromoderno1543 exactly

Please try to read more about Inda, not written by biased Westerners to suit their agenda, there are equally good writers like Darlymple who did a lot of research in digging out what really happened

No there was no slaverly only bonded labour ....peopl were taken from goa as a slave by Portuguese in Portugal .....and bonded labour continued even during Porrtugues rule

....it Should also have been mentioned that Goan Christians played an active part in Goan independence movement.... despite conversion they remained sons of soil and didn't became Portuguese stooges

I'm writing this comment...doesn't it make you think and gasp even after 1000 years of killing. .. looting. .conversion we are still 80% thriving and just watch were Santana Dharma will be in 30 years time...just by teaching the Truth...

A professional chair on dalit atrocities

Poor chap surrendered against his President Salazar's orders to save himself as well of about 4,000 of Portuguese soldiers. Back home in Portugal he faced court martial.

Veer Savarkar should not be honored for the murder of Gandhi, Modi should not be PM for his role in Gujarat riots and killing of muslims when he was CM. Who are you to judge the merits of a man. More good has come from education than from the votaries of death and destruction.

@@charliebottle3190 oh bhai Modi is responsible for Gujarat riots? C'mon man.

@Rakesh Kumar who said Syrian Christians are upper castes? first fool know that denomination is christianity is not caste as in hinduism. it's theology and liturgy difference. Christianity came to different parts of India in different times and from different denomination Christianity missionaries. Now Syrian Christians are a community made of some middle eastern migrants, local jews and majority local converts mixing. many copper plates like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilon_Syrian_copper_plates give even during Chera kingdom times are due to it being trading community and the connection with middle east where this region had trade since long time. Now other places(and a second wave in Kerala) Christianity came with European colonisations and hence most conversions are not voluntary. European Christianity is Western rite Latin Catholic and Protestant Christianity.

Colonial mindset

1. Hindus were doing good in all fields including trading across the seas. 2. Hindus were united under on faith. 3. Muslims came to India and got absorbed along with the original people. Initially there was violence but it subsided with time. Those days much better than the Portuguese rule.

Will you agree that Christianity is not originated in Goa but imported? Will you also agree that the Portuguese brought it Goa? Today if you are told to convert to any other religion other than the one you are practicing will you convert? Just imagine about the people of that era under what circumstances they were converted. It was forced on them. Hence they were going back to their original practices and resulted in establishing court of inquisition.

Even sir catholic were involved in goa liberation movement .....because they started facing racial discrimination they were not given higher position like bishops..and also in govt post ...they protested also in Portugal and finaly joined freedom movment and It is true that goans invited Portuguese to free them from islamic ruler that ruled goa ....but goans never thought that Portuguese wil colonise goa ....about difference among hindu ..it is there in every religion ....Roman catholic and Protestant.... beliver ....are enemy to each other's belief .....muslim have Shia sect Sunni sect that keep on fighting.... so in goa we had caste system but that doent mean goans were converted their will ......many fled to other states ....our temples were distroyed.. the main blunder is we are not taught this in our school ....everything sugar coated

Don't daydream Sir. They are far, far more Cunning. I advice you to Google: (1) Christian Yoga & (2) Christianizing of Bharatanatyam Also Google Wendy Doniger and Sheldon Pollock. Both of them are highly influential Sanskrit Scholars. You will be amazed to learn how much venom they spit at Hindus. Watch Rajiv Malhotra's Infinity Foundation Channel videos on you tube.

Portuguese were the only westerners who had to be pushed when others like British, French, Dutch all shut their ships and said good bye

No we Goans can claim Portugese passport and give up the Indian passport. We can't hold both the passports at the same time.