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Q&A with Zack Telander - Mobility, Strict Press for Weightlifting and More! 

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@zacktelander
@zacktelander 6 лет назад
WHAT'S UP FITFREAKZ? IT'S YOUR BOYZ TELLIE AND KENNY AKA CKSTRENGTH!
@SachAlvarez
@SachAlvarez 6 лет назад
I guess you got the cycling joke, sorry about that.
@Brickcellent
@Brickcellent 6 лет назад
Oh God, America's here.
@ag9297
@ag9297 6 лет назад
Cultural Appropriation now Zack? Really?
@ag9297
@ag9297 6 лет назад
RE; 13:10 The Idiom you're looking for is 'The worst Athletes make the best Coaches'
@jaredrichmond9948
@jaredrichmond9948 6 лет назад
Didnt Colin Burns win Pan Ams last year as a 94?
@jaybailey202
@jaybailey202 6 лет назад
zack, in over 2000 words, what is your favorite color?
@rul1175
@rul1175 2 года назад
Zack guy is so annoying.
@matthewhoffman3911
@matthewhoffman3911 6 лет назад
*Cycling* haha. Almost caught me off guard.
@DronZizzle
@DronZizzle 6 лет назад
i was like "oh yea we know you do clarence"
@dordo123
@dordo123 6 лет назад
tOUR DE FRANCE RIGHT?
@matthewhoffman3911
@matthewhoffman3911 6 лет назад
Tour de Ireland
@dickpiano1802
@dickpiano1802 6 лет назад
Weightlifters are practically natty in comparison with other sports. My friend set the snatch world record and he has only done 2 cycles in his life. Peace.
@garethlewis4010
@garethlewis4010 4 года назад
@@dickpiano1802 which weightlifer was ur friend?
@hookgrip
@hookgrip 6 лет назад
Russia's last gold was 2004 with Berestov
@clarence0
@clarence0 6 лет назад
Hello Hookgrip!
@TC-dh7zi
@TC-dh7zi 6 лет назад
Last male, Oxana SIlvenko has gold in the female 69kg in 2008
@hookgrip
@hookgrip 6 лет назад
Hi Clarence! Also, TC, re Slivenko, at this stage, nah -- show me a picture of her getting the gold medal then we can talk.
@GypsyKingTF
@GypsyKingTF 6 лет назад
T C Oxana is not FEMALEEE!
@ancelmox5395
@ancelmox5395 6 лет назад
hookgrip Do I smell a collab? That would be sick!!
@flaffa4837
@flaffa4837 6 лет назад
im afraid to clean my snatch
@leedowner2249
@leedowner2249 6 лет назад
flaffa besseling lol that's a good weightlifting joke.
@flaffa4837
@flaffa4837 6 лет назад
Lee Downer righttttt
@overlord6815
@overlord6815 6 лет назад
Why are people with rabbit profile pics always hilarious lol
@AsiunBoi
@AsiunBoi 6 лет назад
Hey Clarence I'm gonna be the next big thing in weightlifting. My work ethic is unparalleled and even though I have great potential in the snatch, my specialty is the Jerk and Clean
@SCB_01
@SCB_01 6 лет назад
AsiunBoi LOL
@wildside4661
@wildside4661 5 лет назад
AsiunBoi you’ve gotta get deep into some big snatches, although your jerk will go down
@user-zz5og2lf7p
@user-zz5og2lf7p 4 года назад
Lol.
@samharris9559
@samharris9559 2 года назад
I love your work, Sample Video was a masterpiece
@AsiunBoi
@AsiunBoi 2 года назад
@@samharris9559 like and subscribe
@JohnSmith-mf7nl
@JohnSmith-mf7nl 6 лет назад
There is a misconception about things being harder for tall people, it has nothing to do with being tall or short. It's all about the ratios of your limbs to your body. Long Arms(especially forearms, ratio should be 1:1, Vitruvian Man) and long femurs are not ideal for weightlifting/Power Lifting in general. But a 5"3 (160cm) Person with a long Femur to Body Ratio, lets say 0.34(avg is 0.26) and long arms has the same problems that you have in the squat. It also gets more complicated. Zack and Clarence have you ever measured your Femur ratio and Wingspan?
@aminazik4817
@aminazik4817 6 лет назад
John Smith taller people still have higher chances of having out of ratio long legs.
@JohnSmith-mf7nl
@JohnSmith-mf7nl 6 лет назад
I never seen any study towards this, only with races. Google Hicham El Guerrouj he is only 5"9 (175) and has absurdly long legs. Bascically all runners have long legs. i.pinimg.com/originals/43/27/61/432761373a3933e6e87bd82701b58286.jpg
@obi-wankenobi9871
@obi-wankenobi9871 5 лет назад
Tall people are at a disadvantage. Why do you think that growth restriced people can lift body weight percentages, that normal people that lift regularly can only dream about?
@jonathanchildress9865
@jonathanchildress9865 5 лет назад
It’s also hard to make a smaller weight class than super heavy when you’re 6’ and over.
@gg025
@gg025 5 лет назад
​@@obi-wankenobi9871 Not necessarily. If tall people were all really at a disadvantage strength-wise then the strongest people in the world (in basically every strength-oriented discipline) wouldn't all be giants.
@austinkunch710
@austinkunch710 6 лет назад
Yes clarence we know u cycle
@HDvisionPro
@HDvisionPro 6 лет назад
Damn Clarence makes me wanna hop on a bike
@nolliefsflip
@nolliefsflip 6 лет назад
Digging for gold @9:34 in the background
@MrToweleySlowMo
@MrToweleySlowMo 6 лет назад
Aww yus my favourite natty vegan bodybuilder and some tall guy.
@danlightowler7207
@danlightowler7207 6 лет назад
Bobby Treacy Rip rich pianini, worlds best vegan pro natty bodybuilder
@frankchen4229
@frankchen4229 6 лет назад
Comment was 8 hours ago 8 hours.
@xxFR12
@xxFR12 6 лет назад
You are blind he isnt natty
@dagowow
@dagowow 6 лет назад
Fuck off Lahey
@xxFR12
@xxFR12 6 лет назад
S K260790 dear troll / fucktard. That is a joke , yours sincerely, your conscience
@alexisvnc
@alexisvnc 6 лет назад
3:13 there you go folks
@sherlockodile
@sherlockodile 6 лет назад
Zack is the smartest giraffe
@asraelconcreteeatingcat1528
@asraelconcreteeatingcat1528 6 лет назад
Cycling everyday bro
@kristerrs
@kristerrs 3 года назад
blast and cruise
@Dfgoodall
@Dfgoodall 6 лет назад
110% agree with the strict press split jerk ratio. My strict press is terrible, put can power jerk and split jerk more than 200% of my strict press. All in the legs
@09thespecialone
@09thespecialone 4 года назад
Yes. The jerk is 90% lower body movement. You jump ''under'' the bar actually. In the press, you press the bar overhead only with shoulders and arms (much more difficult).
@Lee-ic2yn
@Lee-ic2yn Год назад
5 years later I can push press 110kg so how much should I be be able to jerk if technique is good? Seems like not much more?
@o-neil
@o-neil 8 месяцев назад
​​@@Lee-ic2ynit's so individual. Klokov push pressed 225 and jerked 250 which is just 110%. Ilya ilyin push pressed just 180, yet could still jerk 250, which is 140%. My ratio is 125%. So basically if you were like klokov you could jerk 122.5, but if you were like Ilya you could jerk 155.
@nndb9639
@nndb9639 6 лет назад
Lets go cycling
@Cin9999
@Cin9999 6 лет назад
nike too Trenning hard to dbolish your goals as always
@Mongoosemcqueen
@Mongoosemcqueen 6 лет назад
2 Chads Q&A
@david-wt7td
@david-wt7td 6 лет назад
Chads?
@landowar2162
@landowar2162 6 лет назад
9:24 Guy in the background eating dem bogies
@scottessery100
@scottessery100 4 года назад
you two make such a great doubble act :) please make more content if you can
@kd6589
@kd6589 6 лет назад
12:31 That's me! Holy shittttt g'day from Straya
@MrSpicyAlCi
@MrSpicyAlCi 6 лет назад
Perfect for tonight before bed. Thanks guy and awesome to watch the 2 of you together. #nohomo #brolifters ;)
@blackhole-chan4619
@blackhole-chan4619 6 лет назад
it 15 buckening
@JustinK0
@JustinK0 6 лет назад
Tanks for the video!
@MrAndrew990
@MrAndrew990 6 лет назад
3:15 steroid joke?
@SettleDownBrandon
@SettleDownBrandon 6 лет назад
pre-'thumbs-up' for the upper body weightlifting strength video
@misztal2112
@misztal2112 6 лет назад
that Clarence starter pack is gold!
@VARIABLE_
@VARIABLE_ 5 лет назад
The squaring more than once a week thing is the most important piece of advice I’ve ever used
@JuergenNoll
@JuergenNoll 6 лет назад
The insight is strong with those ones!
@Billy4you4
@Billy4you4 6 лет назад
Does really Clerence say "whash" instead of "what"?
@waynebarnes4756
@waynebarnes4756 3 года назад
These guys are the 2 smartest guys i know and the strongest,,,
@taylorprobets4661
@taylorprobets4661 6 лет назад
god dammit my two fav people in weightlifting together this is christmas for me
@SachAlvarez
@SachAlvarez 6 лет назад
Shaved clarence is just a child. A very strong one
@TheTillhammer
@TheTillhammer 6 лет назад
David rigert is and will always be the most badass weightlifter imo.
@Jackmerius_Tacktheritrix5733
@Jackmerius_Tacktheritrix5733 6 лет назад
What’s your stack, Zack?
@Toogas
@Toogas 6 лет назад
clarence for president!
@mikea6710
@mikea6710 3 года назад
22:12 dudes like 'ok. So can we shut the lights off now, need to fkn sleep'
@gregs570
@gregs570 6 лет назад
Clarence. Are you still in Ontario? Would you be interested in visiting a strength facility in London?
@tatebarnum731
@tatebarnum731 6 лет назад
clarence do u ever do strict overhead press or nah?
@atg-man4679
@atg-man4679 3 года назад
I'd say yea
@tatebarnum731
@tatebarnum731 3 года назад
@@atg-man4679 jesus 3 years ago lmao
@ethanchaney1139
@ethanchaney1139 6 лет назад
Imo we need more power and weight lifting activities in school. If we made it a club or a sport the same way we did Swimming, Wrestling, or Track America would actually have a killer weight lifting team. And the thing too, it would be easier for kids to transition into a sport. When you have little Timmy who played weight lifting freshman and sophomore year that wants to try out for the football or wrestling team junior year with the 315 front squat and a 200 something clean and press it’ll be a lot easier for him to compete with some of the gorillas you’d find in those sports. Man, if every kid just lifted before doing sports they’d be better right off the bat. My inner Mark Rieopetoe is coming out, but the easiest thing you can do to become a better athlete is to simply get stronger.
@jordeaman
@jordeaman 6 лет назад
i hear you gonna make a vid about upper body for weightlifting. can you talk about the chinese then to (why they do behind the neck pull ups, weighted dips for +10 reps,etc). thanks for the good vids!
@norzpower8235
@norzpower8235 4 года назад
Zack says Lasha is stronger than Thor for several reasons, including he competes in drug tested events (“he uses, but just a little and not always”). What’s your opinion on that?
@mastertrey4683
@mastertrey4683 Год назад
Depends how much you want to twist the definition of the word strong
@saiyangodbroly26
@saiyangodbroly26 6 лет назад
*suspicious*
@wengeance8962
@wengeance8962 6 лет назад
whats up with clarences right shoulder? looks massive compared to left
@Theroadneverending
@Theroadneverending 4 года назад
“I cycle” We know.
@andrewcarey5681
@andrewcarey5681 6 лет назад
mogged
@blackhole-chan4619
@blackhole-chan4619 6 лет назад
kek
@JakeTheRake1000
@JakeTheRake1000 6 лет назад
It moggening
@Bludcraze
@Bludcraze 3 года назад
3:13 there you go folks
@stephen.f6393
@stephen.f6393 5 лет назад
Did you have tibia tuberosity? Is that why you wear the band on your left knee?
@maxeaves9985
@maxeaves9985 6 лет назад
Clarence train w/ Tom Martin again pls.
@Filaxsan
@Filaxsan 4 года назад
Nice chat. I gotta say "the purgatory" concept is an interesting one. We like to think of a small underground community as something familiar (and it is!), but definitely don't serve the sport itself at all.
@alanheady6829
@alanheady6829 5 лет назад
You guys are great. Next time you come to America, please bring Eoin.
@Johnny-Joseph
@Johnny-Joseph 4 года назад
4:57 not sure if the table is weightlifting Olympic medals or world's shortest nations
@barrybobert9294
@barrybobert9294 3 года назад
That cycling joke hit hard and hit me so delayed
@markus_265
@markus_265 6 лет назад
Hey clarence, i've watched almost all your videos, in one of your last ones you mentioned a knee injury - how could you fully recover from the injury? I've got an inflammation of the patella tendon myself, which is already getting better due to technic and form adjustments but doesn't seam to heal completely. I train 6 days a week and would like to stay at those 6 days for competition preparations Could you please give me an advise or could tell me what you've done during your injury?
@valkyr_rl7169
@valkyr_rl7169 Год назад
id also like to know
@Doctorcanniball
@Doctorcanniball 6 лет назад
i'm not 100% ok with swimming being low impact, sure if you have proper technique it's going to be fine but very few peoples have actual "correct" technique, i mean correct as in "wont create shoulder impingement" in the short term. So if you are going to be swimming 1 to 2 times a week it's going to be fine but if you really want to get into it it's definitly NOT low impact.
@xristoforosliv3387
@xristoforosliv3387 6 лет назад
give me your heart
@ebinvideopro2564
@ebinvideopro2564 6 лет назад
Swimming for shoulder health seems contradictory, swimming a lot often leads to shoulder problems
@vilhelmkron7455
@vilhelmkron7455 6 лет назад
ebin video pro well that could be because they never work their rear delt?
@ebinvideopro2564
@ebinvideopro2564 6 лет назад
Vilhelm Kron no, its definitely not because of that, many swimmers do that and even professional swimmers (very very good form) have get shoulder problems (may it be impingement or else)
@aminazik4817
@aminazik4817 6 лет назад
ebin video pro thats right and it is because of the constant passive pressure on every joint and structure while swimming.
@ronaldomcdonaldo6289
@ronaldomcdonaldo6289 6 лет назад
If you swim free, back & breast you won't have shoulder problems. If you're doing freestyle 4hr a day every day you will start getting a bit stiff in the shoulder department.
@shanecorrigan8524
@shanecorrigan8524 6 лет назад
Overuse causes issues with basically any movement
@wengeance8962
@wengeance8962 5 лет назад
what does periodising mean?
@JAPANMAN20
@JAPANMAN20 6 лет назад
Clarence you should go tear up crossfit for 1 year and show Matt Fraser who's really boss. Powerlifting forever!!
@chadcorber6399
@chadcorber6399 6 лет назад
Cyr is pronounced seer
@brucedickinson12
@brucedickinson12 6 лет назад
gear dosages plz
@stevenhewes1990
@stevenhewes1990 6 лет назад
He cycles a lot...so do I.
@MrPikkabo
@MrPikkabo 6 лет назад
Testo isn't vegan bro
@TheArtofBoxing101
@TheArtofBoxing101 6 лет назад
Is DADDY CLARENCE front squatting that 280? Illya watch out Fam shits about to get real.
@suppositionstudios
@suppositionstudios 5 лет назад
NATIONALISE THE GYMS
@emilbrandwyne5747
@emilbrandwyne5747 4 года назад
what does that even mean?
@Alistair
@Alistair 4 года назад
Emil Brandwyne it means make it free for everyone, like school/libraries/police
@LA1SO
@LA1SO 6 лет назад
кто с канала "спорт фаза" перезагрузка?
@bitofeverything10
@bitofeverything10 6 лет назад
09:12 this dude on the right just straight up starts picking and eating. WTF
@jimmycras599
@jimmycras599 6 лет назад
How do i get into olympic weightlifting?
@Entropy__
@Entropy__ 6 лет назад
Jimmy Carreras pick up barbell and move.
@frankchen4229
@frankchen4229 6 лет назад
_Life_is_Meaningless ! PVC PIPE**
@DrLeroyArch
@DrLeroyArch 4 года назад
Louis Cyr - pronounced "seer" not "sur".
@nickdutton6218
@nickdutton6218 4 года назад
9:16 we caught you, literally picking your nose and eating it. Edit: They really just walked into some randos flat, hes under a duvet, are they sat on his bed?!
@mateofremen
@mateofremen 6 лет назад
New Clarence video and David Laid same day... fuck, what a delicious day
@SquatSimp
@SquatSimp 6 лет назад
3:11 🤣
@Jeetu0301
@Jeetu0301 3 года назад
These guys looks more like the computer geeks than weighlifters 😂😂😂
@fcurcic
@fcurcic 6 лет назад
oh this is the guy from discord
@edmund3504
@edmund3504 6 лет назад
gr8 vid m8s
@ECruz-rb6py
@ECruz-rb6py 6 лет назад
Take care of your wrists and work on shoulder and thoracic spine mobility so you don't add up to everyday life stressors on your wrists and end up with painful carpal tunnel ... like me. 😿
@wArAtAriz
@wArAtAriz 6 лет назад
That dude on the right side 9:13 digging his nose for boogers and eat them :D
@jacobnunya808
@jacobnunya808 6 лет назад
#nofucksgiven
@michaelweston8304
@michaelweston8304 6 лет назад
Lol what else would he be digging for
@TheCatGrandFather
@TheCatGrandFather 5 лет назад
I want to see Zack dunking
@vanya_stepanov
@vanya_stepanov 6 лет назад
Its funny how nervous clary looked when asking about drug testing, hands locked and with an awkward cough
@basedlukashenko5249
@basedlukashenko5249 5 лет назад
Иван Степанов ага я тоже заметил
@Tom-vu1wr
@Tom-vu1wr 3 года назад
He's explained this now
@sebastianapolo8515
@sebastianapolo8515 6 лет назад
Clarence is 1:32
@justinalexander5959
@justinalexander5959 6 лет назад
Here for Clarence, and only Clarence.
@Entropy__
@Entropy__ 6 лет назад
Where is the fridge?!?!?
@matsthijssen3383
@matsthijssen3383 6 лет назад
3:12 nice save hahaha
@eugenepoon
@eugenepoon 6 лет назад
Lol @ lurking Dom
@dickpiano1802
@dickpiano1802 6 лет назад
Telander is to weightliftng what Omar Isuf is to bodybuilding. Clarence is to weightlifting what John Meadows or Mike Israetel are to bodybuilding.
@frankchen4229
@frankchen4229 6 лет назад
Dick Piano what does this mean?
@LewisPC
@LewisPC 4 года назад
but Mike isratel is just a smarmy wanker - clarence is leagues above that kind of rubbish
@sabertoothwallaby2937
@sabertoothwallaby2937 4 года назад
"Am I really a weightlifter" hahaha
@jonathanstuck3918
@jonathanstuck3918 2 года назад
9:36 look at the guy in the background yummy
@vilhelmkron7455
@vilhelmkron7455 6 лет назад
Would olympic weightlifting be good to get into if you are struggling to make gains on bodybuilding programs ? My max deadlift is 300lbs, max squat 225 and max bench 180. I also have alot of muscle imbalances. Also got hyper mobile elbows
@JobeCourtney
@JobeCourtney 6 лет назад
Depends on your goals. If you want to build muscle a ton of muscle, probably not. If you want to bench more, probably not. If you want to snatch, squat, c&j more then perhaps. You will definitely have to work on fixing muscle imbalances and immobilities to make progress no mater what you do, so start with that.
@vilhelmkron7455
@vilhelmkron7455 6 лет назад
Jobe Courtney but clarence has a shitton of muscle, he is jacked as hell and benches squats and deadlifts ALOT
@JobeCourtney
@JobeCourtney 6 лет назад
He also trains for those things. He doesn’t train Olympic lifting exclusively. He does a mixture of different kinds of lifting and he is a freak of nature to go along with that.
@vilhelmkron7455
@vilhelmkron7455 6 лет назад
Jobe Courtney i wanna do a mixture aswell, but no matter what i do i dont progress. Tried lifting full body 5 days a week with 5000 calories a day made small amount of gains. Did push pull legs. Upper lower. Full body 2 times a week. Nothing works. Currently doing alphadestinys novice program 3 days a week. But im going nowhere and it kills me because ive lifted for 2.5 years and im still weak.
@JobeCourtney
@JobeCourtney 6 лет назад
Vilhelm Kron what kinds of exercises are you doing? If you’re doing mostly machines or “accessory work” with dumbbells you’re obviously not going to make much progress. Do some research, write a program tailored to your goals based on periodization, or find a coach/trainer to help you out. Focus on what you want to get stronger. If you want to squat/deadlift more then you will likely have to decrease time spent on upper body work and vice versa with bench. However, I would not recommend incorporating Olympic lifting into your program if you do not want to spend a large majority of your time on developing proper technique and mobility. Also Olympic lifting doesn’t really seem like it is what you’re going after, if you just want your squat, bench, and deadlift to go up while building some muscle... I would look for a football weight training program as that is what those types of programs are usually geared towards.
@johnkurt5043
@johnkurt5043 6 лет назад
Did Clarence basically say he's on roids or is he joking, with a 340kg deadlift it's suspicious
@paintballkid20
@paintballkid20 6 лет назад
John Kurt of course he’s on roids, he never denies it and always indirectly mentions he does
@Dennis-sy1ry
@Dennis-sy1ry 6 лет назад
His numbers are not achievable without roids
@rudyrich9817
@rudyrich9817 5 лет назад
@@Dennis-sy1ry little pussie
@Tom-vu1wr
@Tom-vu1wr 3 года назад
@@rudyrich9817 aged well
@Gtslmfa0
@Gtslmfa0 6 лет назад
LMAO JON NORTH CLIP
@Damascus5350
@Damascus5350 5 лет назад
Why doesn’t America dominate in Olympic weight lifting? It’ll never happen until the NCAA puts as much emphasis and money into weight lifting as they do football! If kids oly weight lifted from youth instead of pee wee football, we would have a ton of guys like Wes Kitts!
@johnnyditlof3092
@johnnyditlof3092 2 года назад
Weightlifting isn't even an NCAA sport
@getstrongby4038
@getstrongby4038 3 года назад
Fuck I can't swim
@wh1s948
@wh1s948 6 лет назад
Question and time in the description would help 😒
@RiDankulous
@RiDankulous 4 года назад
Guy on the far right looks like he's laying in bed and thinking, when is this gonna be over so I can go back to sleep. ;-)
@bgorley
@bgorley 6 лет назад
If only there was a way you two could make a baby. I would totally subscribe to that baby’s oly channel.
@BigGulpsV2
@BigGulpsV2 4 года назад
That dude in the back is picking his nose and eating it D:
@youpabloluis
@youpabloluis 5 лет назад
the sexual tension..
@pierreyoussef5182
@pierreyoussef5182 6 лет назад
Hey man how are you i have weird question for you i dont if you will answer it , do you like the IRA ??
@harleyzeth
@harleyzeth 6 лет назад
Pierre Youssef Clarence is Irish I doubt he gives a fuck
@Cin9999
@Cin9999 6 лет назад
Lol tryna recruit Harry squatter to throw the bombs
@MrToweleySlowMo
@MrToweleySlowMo 6 лет назад
I cant tell if this is a meme or not but most Irish people dont like the IRA in its current form.
@Jackmerius_Tacktheritrix5733
@Jackmerius_Tacktheritrix5733 6 лет назад
Pierre Youssef 26 plus 6 equals1!
@signs80
@signs80 6 лет назад
Blinky Pinky Inky and Clyde 1 plus 2 equals 3!
@AyanTheChosenOne
@AyanTheChosenOne 5 лет назад
A fellow Jack White fan :3
@MrDanadriga
@MrDanadriga 6 лет назад
Am i the first one?
@MrDanadriga
@MrDanadriga 6 лет назад
i wanted to be popular
@Dennis-sy1ry
@Dennis-sy1ry 6 лет назад
No
@GoulashMeansEntropy
@GoulashMeansEntropy 2 года назад
9:15 - 9:45 Man in the corner - why are you picking your nose on the camera ?
@matts285
@matts285 6 лет назад
Clarence seems like a very conscious athlete and person. So why bother doing PEDs?
@Alistair
@Alistair 4 года назад
Matt S well it's not like he's even competing so what does it have to do with conscience? I think he simply wants to see what he can do when he has the same advantages as other world class weightlifters
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