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integral of sqrt(e^x) vs. integral of sqrt(e^x-1)
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@Taterzz
@Taterzz 5 лет назад
you know things about to get mathy when he brings out the blue pen.
@colleen9493
@colleen9493 5 лет назад
You have 11^2 likes right know.
@colleen9493
@colleen9493 5 лет назад
But know you have 122 because I liked it.
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@DanielCastro-uy7lu 5 лет назад
@@colleen9493 123* 😂
@crimsonnite9291
@crimsonnite9291 4 года назад
@@DanielCastro-uy7lu shut up noob.
@triuc3840
@triuc3840 4 года назад
@@crimsonnite9291 toxic man?
@1495978707
@1495978707 5 лет назад
You're an enabler of my addiction to integrals lol. I love how you always pick integrals that aren't obvious but also don't require higher level techniques to do, which shows you don't need to bust out contour integration whenever the going gets tough
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 5 лет назад
Contour integration is MAGIC, though.
@arequina
@arequina 5 лет назад
I wish you were my professor back in '87. I would have aced this class just based on your style of teaching.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
arequina I am glad to hear!!! Thank you!!!
@HarshRajAlwaysfree
@HarshRajAlwaysfree 5 лет назад
No u wont All teachers are fine I guess
@paulmaccormick
@paulmaccormick 5 лет назад
@@HarshRajAlwaysfree Not really. Some teachers may know a lot, but they don't know how to transmit that knowledge to their students
@HarshRajAlwaysfree
@HarshRajAlwaysfree 5 лет назад
Luis De Anda But when u watch video lectures All are fine
@buttsez4419
@buttsez4419 5 лет назад
@@HarshRajAlwaysfree ofc not
@blue_tetris
@blue_tetris 5 лет назад
That -1 just makes a mess of things! Fun integration, as usual!
@williamtachyon2630
@williamtachyon2630 5 лет назад
This is one of the best math channels on RU-vid! Thank you! 😃👍 Keep up the good work!
@txikitofandango
@txikitofandango 5 лет назад
Yay I figured it out on my own. Big accomplishment for me, very rewarding. Thank you for the video!
@hutchyy6836
@hutchyy6836 5 лет назад
found a cool way for the second one: e^(x/2) = sec(u) substitution
@jeconiahjoelmichaelsiregar7917
@jeconiahjoelmichaelsiregar7917 4 года назад
yep, quite a sneaky trig function sub. Around the end of the work you'd get 2tan(u) + 2u and you have the freedom to substitute u with whatever you want by working out the triangle (arctan(e^x/2 - 1), arcsec(e^x/2), heck even arcsin((e^x/2 -1)/(e^x/2)) if you want).
@mcmage5250
@mcmage5250 5 лет назад
This made my morning. Thanks as always.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
MCMage glad to hear!!!
@miguelyanac3544
@miguelyanac3544 5 лет назад
Excellent video. To clear your mind a bit after an intense day. Greetings.
@Cloud88Skywalker
@Cloud88Skywalker 5 лет назад
Wow! I did the second integral by letting sec^2(u)=e^x, it was very straight forward and I'm so happy the result was correct too (although in another form, 2sqrt(e^x-1) - 2arcsec(sqrt(e^x)) ).
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
Eric Ester yay!!
@tobiaschaparro2372
@tobiaschaparro2372 4 года назад
Its truly amazing how a simple -1 suddenly introduces an inverse tangent somehow.
@coc235
@coc235 3 года назад
And if you change it to +1, it would introduce natural logs :)
@sahibpreetkaur7917
@sahibpreetkaur7917 Год назад
I just love the way you solve it 😊
@YourPhysicsSimulator
@YourPhysicsSimulator 5 лет назад
Now, thanks to you I can do integrals correctly! #YAY
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
Jorge Lopez yay!!
@DarkTubeOfWonders
@DarkTubeOfWonders 3 года назад
So, i'm an agricultural science student. I didn't study math at university, at least, not integrals. But I love them. So I've tried at the beginning of the video and I did the same thing you did! I'm so happy now. I learn everything I know about Integrals from your videos!
@SUNSUP2013
@SUNSUP2013 5 лет назад
Really like your videos, full of good information and very helpful to me .Thank you very much 曹老师X)
@Sharingan1102
@Sharingan1102 5 лет назад
Tried to solve the 2nd integrate by doing e^x-1 = y. Although I was able to reach the same result, I was still forced to do u = sqr(y) down the line. The way shown in the video is the fastest afaik. Thanks and keep it up my man.
@Sara-ts2pf
@Sara-ts2pf 5 лет назад
This revived my old traumas from the calculus class... Man, what a teacher... He just dropped this one on a term final and we weren't ready for that, it still hurts me to this very day haha (he is a great teacher though, loved it...)
@meghna_dutta
@meghna_dutta 5 лет назад
YAY!! I GOT THE ANSWERS TO BOTH WHEN YOU TOLD US TO PAUSE AND SOLVE!! Im soo happy!! But yeah geez a -1 makes a hugeee difference
@vincentd1120
@vincentd1120 5 лет назад
For the second antiderivative, I perfromed integration by parts twice! In the end, the intergral simplified to a form that was the same as if I performed the u-substitution you proposed :^)
@reynaldomesmo
@reynaldomesmo 5 лет назад
Chen lu always saving us!
@RicardoOliveiraRGB
@RicardoOliveiraRGB 5 лет назад
A lot of videos in one day? YAAAAAAY
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
Ricardo RGB yay!!!!
@Muslim_011
@Muslim_011 4 года назад
I remember my self when i was in university and solving things in mathematic and my friends seeing me as a genius when i see all that as a standard to me. I miss thoses days when enjoying solving some mathematic books
@rahul7090
@rahul7090 5 лет назад
Second integral can be also be done as : Let e^x-1=t^2 ...I) e^xdx=2tdt dx=2tdt/t^2+1 ( from I) Then integral becomes I=2t^2/t^2+1 Solving integral we get same answer as yours
@mcmage5250
@mcmage5250 5 лет назад
U=sqrt(e^x-1) U^2=e^x-1 Thats literally the same uwu
@rahul7090
@rahul7090 5 лет назад
Yup, but then he took a slightly longer route after that. That's why I mentioned a relatively shorter approach. Nonetheless , he is always awesome !👍
@harshranjan8526
@harshranjan8526 5 лет назад
I also did like you
@jaredbeaufait5954
@jaredbeaufait5954 5 лет назад
Rahul Jha that’s what he did
@dhruva8538
@dhruva8538 5 лет назад
IIT jee books always prescribe this , see roots somewhere take the inner part as square of some variable and substitute
@umesh----6848
@umesh----6848 5 лет назад
thanku sir
@joeli8409
@joeli8409 5 лет назад
need more definite integrals! #yay
@corbincox9925
@corbincox9925 4 года назад
2:26 Drops shoulder rest lol Oh wait wrong channel
@TimiAgiri
@TimiAgiri 4 года назад
8:41 i love this smile!!
@zahoorahmadkhan2328
@zahoorahmadkhan2328 5 лет назад
Great sir
@user-rz3id7nm6s
@user-rz3id7nm6s 5 лет назад
God bless you
@fannyxwhy
@fannyxwhy 4 года назад
I got the second one on my test, thanks lol
@archiewilson4943
@archiewilson4943 5 лет назад
You can also do with trig substitute by letting sqrt(e^x-1) =tan(u)
@TheMauror22
@TheMauror22 5 лет назад
I missed integral battles 💕
@karamtoufik8382
@karamtoufik8382 5 лет назад
Bravo mon ami
@viktarkrylov5604
@viktarkrylov5604 4 года назад
u=sqrt(e^x-1), x=ln(u^2+1), dx=2udu/(u^2+1)
@Guillaume_Paczek
@Guillaume_Paczek 4 года назад
Viktar Krylov yes
@goodboi3407
@goodboi3407 5 лет назад
Solved in my brain
@rusucatalin7742
@rusucatalin7742 4 года назад
for the first integral i used a quite different method, but it had the same solution. i wrote u=e^x and du=e^x. i got integral u^1/2 du/e^x. I knew that e^x=u and it meant that x= In(u). I got the integral (u^1/2)/e^In(u) du. Afterwards i got integral (u^1/2)/u du. I got integral 1/sqrt(u) du. using a basic formula, i concluded that the integral is equal to 2*sqrt(u) or 2*sqrt(e^x). Love your methods of teaching
@youknowwhatsreallysofunny
@youknowwhatsreallysofunny 5 лет назад
You've already went through the second integral in a previous video...
@rg5113
@rg5113 5 лет назад
For the second integral by the time you get it all in terms of u there is integral of u square divide by (u square + 1) then you can also use trig substitution. U = tan x, du = (sec x)^2 so you have (tan x)^2 * (sec x)^2/(sec x)^2. Then that’s just sec x squared - 1 which is tan x - x which is u - tan inverse u and then you get the same answer.
@dancifier405
@dancifier405 5 лет назад
You are awesome and great
@davidmendizabal9892
@davidmendizabal9892 4 года назад
it always bothers me when i find a close relationship between exponentials and trigonometry with complex numbers completely out of the picture.
@rafaeltoledano4622
@rafaeltoledano4622 4 года назад
In the second integral a substituted u for the inside and it worked too. But I had to do 2 substitutions 🤣🤣🤣
@incxxxx
@incxxxx 4 года назад
opinię marvelous!
@jatag100
@jatag100 Год назад
"If you think this is long wait until the Calc 2 integrals."
@jeetsarkar1647
@jeetsarkar1647 5 лет назад
This questions can also be done using substitution method... For the 1st question use substitution e^x=t^2 and for the second use e^x-1=t^2
@thomasarch5952
@thomasarch5952 5 лет назад
IN THE INTEGRAL //SQRT (E^X - 1)DX, best to just let sort(e^x) = u^2 and 2 e*x dx = du. Then we have //sqrt(u*2) 2 u du / ( u^2) which is accomplished also by dividing numerator and denominator by e^x. Then we have the integral equal to //2 du or 2u + c or 2 sort(e^x) . I use the double slash as the integral sign which makes it easy to distinguish from the single slash used in division, etc. This is a good video the way it is. No good answers. Each approach that is correct is good!! (Second integral can also be done using the same approach).
@mariokraus6965
@mariokraus6965 5 лет назад
Great!
@arturjose5545
@arturjose5545 4 года назад
I got as result arctan(1/sqrt(e^x -1) in The second integral. I Just divided numerator and divider by u² and find 1/1+(1/u)²
@chandrabhan7212
@chandrabhan7212 5 лет назад
Substituting x = log(sec^t) also does it for the second integral (and is easier I think) :d
@lol_123__
@lol_123__ 5 лет назад
Why have I only discovered this channel after my a-levels...
@angelxd7019
@angelxd7019 5 лет назад
Podrías subir unos cuantos videos de ecuaciones diferenciales porfavor 😀😀👌👌
@tofu8676
@tofu8676 5 лет назад
i should start learning integral/derivation tables for the trig functions ^^
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 5 лет назад
me too
@alfredobadillo2280
@alfredobadillo2280 5 лет назад
I like your videos ☺☺☺
@robertomontero2352
@robertomontero2352 5 лет назад
I wish I knew how to do integrals to solve them before you solve them 😰
@Mrhslucky
@Mrhslucky 5 лет назад
This can also be done by contour integration ( branch point integration)
@thomasarch5952
@thomasarch5952 5 лет назад
On first problem better to start out and multiply numerator and denominator by e^x so we then have the integral // ((sqrt(e^x)) * (e^x)) dx / (e^x) which is now // (u * 2u du) /(u^2) du = 2 // du = 2 u + C = 2 sqrt(e^x) + C. A bit shorter me thinks. I use the double slash ( // ) to denote the integral to differentiate it from the slash “/“.
@h4c_18
@h4c_18 5 лет назад
I solved for x in u=sqrt(e^x-1), leaving x=ln(u^2+1) and dx=2udu/(u^2+1)
@harshranjan8526
@harshranjan8526 5 лет назад
U r great
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
Thanks!
@Nothing_serious
@Nothing_serious 5 лет назад
I used trig sub by letting e^x/2 into sec(y)
@vipulshukla6345
@vipulshukla6345 5 лет назад
I totally forgot the easier way in the second one and went all the way to substitute e^x = sec^2@ I got the same answer though the process was a little longer..
@ericbravo147
@ericbravo147 4 года назад
un crack, demasiado pro eres :v +100000000pro
@afafsalem739
@afafsalem739 5 лет назад
Awesome
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
Afaf Salem thanks!!!
@ayantikasaha8635
@ayantikasaha8635 5 лет назад
This can be done very simply by using 2 simple substitution..u=e^x-1..this will give integral √u/(u+1)du..again use v=√u.. you'll get integral v^2/(v^2+1)dv..and tralala..it's a child's play from there ...hope it helps..
@jaspreetsingh-nr6gr
@jaspreetsingh-nr6gr 5 лет назад
1.substitute u=sqrt{(e^x-1)}, 2. du= [e^x/(2Xsqrt(e^x-1))].dx----rewrite as----->> du=(2u/(u^2 +1)).dx by writing e^x= u*u+1 , 3. original integrand is now 2(u*u)/(u*u+1) 4. Solve easier integral to get I= 2[sqrt(e^x -1)-arctan(sqrt(e^x-1))]
@olimpicaartes3087
@olimpicaartes3087 5 лет назад
this is such a hard integral
@harshitsharmaiitbombay
@harshitsharmaiitbombay 5 лет назад
Sir please solve this limit from 0 to 1 x½(x-1)½dx
@abhaylakra9958
@abhaylakra9958 4 года назад
Can the first sum could be done in this way e^x=t e^xdx=dt dx=dt/t (√t/t) dt Multiply &divide by √t We get( 1/√t) dt That is 2√t+c Ans 2√e^x+c
@srpenguinbr
@srpenguinbr 5 лет назад
I did the second integral with complex numbers. First, I used u=e^x-1 and got Sqrt(u)/(1+u) (Sqrt(u)+i-i)/(1+u) I splitted the integral to get -i int of 1/(1+u)+ int of (sqrt(u)+i)/(1+u) In the second one I multiplied top and bottom by (sqrt(u)-i) and solved the first one -i ln(1+u)+ int of 1/(sqrt(u)-i) Using t=sqrt (u)-i: -i ln(1+e^x-1)+2 int of (t+i)/t -i ln(e^x)+2 int of t/t +2 int of i/t -ix+2t+2i ln (t) Or -ix +2sqrt(e^x-1)-2i+2i ln(sqrt(u)-i) Solving the logarithm and ignoring the -2i (it is a constant), we get: 2sqrt(e^x-1)+2arctan(1/(sqrt(e^x-1))+C It is just off by a constant
@AlBoulley
@AlBoulley 2 года назад
BPRP... why do you write fractions out in front of variables ( 1/2 * x ) instead of doing it the simpler way ( x/2 )?? I understand there are situations when a helpful technique "requires" unsimplified forms. What do you/we gain by writing e ^ ( 1/2 * x ) as opposed to e ^ ( x/2 )??
@erickjoshuanebreja6154
@erickjoshuanebreja6154 4 года назад
because of that -1, an inverse tangent appears
@wahyuadi35
@wahyuadi35 5 лет назад
Still, indeed, with the u-substitution.
@souvikpaul3312
@souvikpaul3312 4 года назад
I substituted e^x=sec square theta in the second one
@saulojose155
@saulojose155 4 года назад
Uma solução possível também seria: Integral de (e^x-1)^(1/2) = 2*((e^x-1)^(1/2)-arcsec(e^(x/2))+c
@jeliasc
@jeliasc 4 года назад
Would an Euler substitution work on the integral of Sqrt(e^x-1)?
@hachemimokrane2810
@hachemimokrane2810 2 года назад
Can we divide by u^2 And we get tan^-1(1/u)=cot^-1(u)
@xHardcorexism
@xHardcorexism 5 лет назад
Nice
@adarshchaurasiya1219
@adarshchaurasiya1219 4 года назад
Sir can you please explain why inverse trigonometric function does not lies third quadrant
@user-nz4sq2bu5h
@user-nz4sq2bu5h 5 лет назад
Интересное видео спасиба
@aneecraft2350
@aneecraft2350 4 года назад
5:52 what if I keep on substituting for du and dx and just increasing the equation?
@annadebruijn856
@annadebruijn856 5 лет назад
I didn't learn about that inverse tangent at the end, could somebody explain me how it works?
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
I have more videos on it, search it on YT.
@obayrafi2632
@obayrafi2632 5 лет назад
1:27 "Whats the integral of e to the ... Sanzei , well e to the sanzei is just e to the sanzei"
@trucid2
@trucid2 5 лет назад
Ah, yes, the adding zero to the integrand trick.
@ShroomLab
@ShroomLab 5 лет назад
I have an integral for you, tough as nut! Integrate sqrt(1+c/x^4) over x, c is an arbitrary constant form R, the + 1 is here the part that makes me hate it!
@BozoTheBear
@BozoTheBear 5 лет назад
At 4:21, why not rewrite du = e^x dx as du = (u+1) dx - ie, dx = du/(u+1). then the integral becomes sqrt(u)/(u+1). this can be done easily with t=sqrt(u).
@buttsez4419
@buttsez4419 5 лет назад
If we multiply and divide by e^x and take e^x-1=t and e^xdx=dt Still we get something similar I solved like that Just saying :)
@juanpedro19840914
@juanpedro19840914 2 года назад
Instead of adding +1 and substracting -1, isn't it easier to just divide the numerator by the denominator?
@lpedanny
@lpedanny 5 лет назад
Set the second one’s u-sub to the entire square root. Easier derivatives
@karolakkolo123
@karolakkolo123 5 лет назад
For the second integral, you can also do a trig substitution: sec^2(u) = e^x u=arcsec(sqrt(e^x)) x=ln(sec^2(u)) dx=2tan(u)du The integral then becomes: 2 ,/' sqrt(sec^2(u)-1) * tan(u) du = 2 ,/' tan^2(u) du = 2 ,/' sec^2(u) - 1 du = 2(tan(u) - u) + C Substitute back = 2(tan(arcsec(e^x)) - arcsec(e^x)) + C Draw a right triangle and simplify tan(arcsec(e^x)) into sqrt(e^x - 1). = 2sqrt(e^x - 1) - 2arcsec(sqrt(e^x)) + C **Note:** arcsec(sqrt(e^x)) is the same thing as arctan(sqrt(e^x - 1))
@alexschopbarteld922
@alexschopbarteld922 5 лет назад
He didn't use c1 and c2 as constants REEEEEEEEEEEEE
@atmsc4nd4l
@atmsc4nd4l 4 года назад
Hi. Why not use trigonometric substitution? We have the same answer. :)
@ActionJaxonH
@ActionJaxonH 5 лет назад
Can you please explain how you substituted tan^(-1) for 1/(1+u^2) I’m having trouble nailing down what trig sub that is...
@JensenPlaysMC
@JensenPlaysMC 5 лет назад
set y = arctan x. tan( y) =x d/dx (tan y = x) Sec^2 (y) * (dy/dx) = 1 dy/dx = 1 / sec^2 (y) dy/dx = cos^2 (y) dy/dx = cos^2 (tan^-1 (x)) Using the fact that tan y = x/1 we can say that tan(y) = opposite/adjacent opposite =x adjacent=1 Construct a right angled triangle and find cos^2 (y) where y is the angle This simplifies to 1 /(1 + x^2) In general the equation is d/dx ( 1/a * arctan (x/a)) = 1/( a^2 + x^2)
@TheBlueboyRuhan
@TheBlueboyRuhan 5 лет назад
Could you perhaps change that -1 to e^i.pi?
@obedgarza6236
@obedgarza6236 5 лет назад
Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with one really simple question. What is the graph of the function x^(2/3)? The problem is the negative part of the function, does it exist or not? Try (-1)^(2/3)
@catalinmihit
@catalinmihit 5 лет назад
Obed Garza I'm probably late but x^(2/3) = (x^2)^(1/3) = cbrt(x^2) (the cube root) cbrt((-1)^2) = cbrt(1) = 1 n-th roots are only restricted to positive values in the real world when n is even (because an even root of a negative number is complex), but a negative number to an odd power still gives an odd number, so the domain for odd roots is the whole real number line
@ushasuryawanshi1688
@ushasuryawanshi1688 4 года назад
Before watching video I think integration 2e^x/2 and that of under root e^x -1 would be e^x +cosec^(-1)(e^x)+C Edit: First right The second question I got wrong Anyways did anybody get it right before video?
@XPimKossibleX
@XPimKossibleX 5 лет назад
Dunno why noone commented this, but why didn't you write U as sqrt(e^x-1) on the second line, and save multiple steps?
@wayoftheqway9739
@wayoftheqway9739 5 лет назад
if you take sec^2(u)=e^x it works out very nicely! 2 sec^2(u) tan(u) du = e^x dx = sec^2(u) dx 2 tan(u) du = dx sec(u) = e^(x/2) cos(u) = e^(-x/2) u = cos^-1(e^(-x/2)) 2 ∫ tan(u) sqrt(sec^2(u) - 1) du 2 ∫ tan^2(u) du 2 ∫ (sec^2(u) - 1) du 2 tan(u) - 2 u + C 2 sqrt(sec^2(u) - 1) - 2 u + C 2 sqrt(e^x - 1) - 2 cos^-1(e^(-x/2)) + C It looks slightly different, but has the same value!
@chrissharman8650
@chrissharman8650 5 лет назад
I did the same, great minds think alike :)
@zackologlu7018
@zackologlu7018 5 лет назад
also used this method, if you draw a right angle triangle with angle u then the inverse tangent of u cancels out terms very nicely and gives exact same result as video
@quahntasy
@quahntasy 5 лет назад
How that -1 made a mess.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
Quahntasy - Animating Universe it certainly did!!
@surajkumar1650
@surajkumar1650 5 лет назад
Sir how to integrate ∫(e ^x ^3) dx=?
@anthonysteinerv
@anthonysteinerv 5 лет назад
Non elementary
@umardawood1659
@umardawood1659 5 лет назад
@@anthonysteinerv what does that mean
@vinayakkapoor1
@vinayakkapoor1 5 лет назад
This was in my test 2 days ago and i couldn't do it Aaaaagggghhhhhhhh
@andrewsmitley
@andrewsmitley 5 лет назад
If they think that was long, they should have taken my quiz in calc 2 where the teacher messed up and gave us a super ugly integral, did all of the trig sub stuff and ended up with cos^4(x) which needs to do the half angles identities like 3 times and have multiple arguments with the cosine and I'll dm you the integral I'm Twitter when we get the quiz back
@mike4ty4
@mike4ty4 5 лет назад
What did you think of taking that quiz?
@andrewsmitley
@andrewsmitley 5 лет назад
@@mike4ty4 it kind of sucked, luckily I knew what I was doing, but the quiz ended up taking half an hour for 3 integrals
@roronoa.j6947
@roronoa.j6947 3 года назад
For the second integration if you suppose u=e^x - 1 , and the do integration by parts you get the result . -3sqrt(e^x - 1 ) is that a wrong method or what?
@roronoa.j6947
@roronoa.j6947 3 года назад
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