QHY Starmaster Pro you are not allowed to buy 

Very true! But you lost me at buying a mini pc.

Except you can't run NINA on your cell phone. I run 2 rigs at night totally off my cell phone, frequently from my bed. Can't do that with Nina which requires a PC to control.😮

@@dadwhitsett Actually you could run it off your phone. I usually opt for the bigger screen of my Ipad and run it from my Ipad. Cuiv the Lazy Geek did a video on it a while back and it works very good.

Just drag a laptop with all its cords outside and hope it doesn’t rain 😂

@@dadwhitsett I am also running two rigs and both use NINA. While true, NINA's mobile UI is basically non-existent, I made my own home assistant dashboard that does all the monitoring for me. And at this point for my location, NINA has so many useful features like custom horizon that I don't even bother checking on either of my rigs once started. Even mosaics are completely automated with zoer intervention needed.

Seams like most of what you said is what others have done too.

@@TheNarrowbandChannel Absolutely correct. The overseas companies very often don't respect software licenses. Although it seems that QHY has put all their code up on Github now, and may be trying to play by the rules. I'm in favor of this, and may even contribute to the project. Time will tell.

Add to that the fact that open-sourcing the ASIAIR software would eventually lead to someone forking it and adding in everything ZWO won't, which would undermine their entire closed ecosystem.

​@BigTylt Well, it doesn't change the fact. They even do so willingly. They certainly knew from the beginning and knew they would need to reimplement a ton. So they choose to violate the license.

Which or how many of these open standards is suing ZWO? If none perhaps there are legal reasons they are allowed too? Or maybe they do not care and neither should we? Forum posts get some people way to worked up and often have no benefit to the industry and are even toxic to it.

@@TheNarrowbandChannel You could find out for yourself as indicated rather than this "some people are saying" level of wild speculation. Personally when a coumpany takes advantage of the little guy I usually side with the little guy, but you do you, bro.

It will probably be okay with indi drivers, but if you need or want ASCOM ... tough luck. Stupid Windows ...

So who has opened legal action? If no one then its either not worth it or its probably legal. Least that is the deduction I would make.

@@TheNarrowbandChannel well that’s the thing, the open source community is mostly volunteer based they don’t have the money to sue a large company like ZWO. It’s more the principle of the matter. Just because no one prosecutes the crime doesn’t mean it’s not a crime ZWO is literally getting rich by breaking the licensing agreement for the software and not returning any kind of benefit or revenue to the creators of that software.

If all the rage becomes ubiquitous across all astronomers will astronomy be a better place? Will more people want to be a part of it? Will it bring more good will? How is this helping us? What about all the other instances of people improving the open source standards that you or I have never heard off. There must be many of them. Do we get upset about the tree that fell in the woods that we do not know about?

​​​​@@TheNarrowbandChannel Sorry but I find your argumentation a bit skewed. Although yes technically no one has been financially hurt in this story, the law is the law and if ZWO is breaking it, they should be held accountable. It isn't because no one is crying foul that we should let bullying corporations do as they please. Also do remember that ZWO is a chinese company and that in their country, copyright laws are basically non-existent, so they believe that they can reproduce this behavior around the world, which is something that I believe we shouldn't let slide. Also you say that this situation is not harming the hobby, and while I admit that I absolutely love the AsiAir and that it's been a game changer, if we let companies abuse open source software licensing obligations, well I guarantee you that it will definitely demoralize all those amazing people creating these free softwares in the first place. Ultimately leading to a lack of innovation in this wonderful hobby....

@@TheNarrowbandChannel to be fair I don't really have a dog in the fight. I own an ASIAir. but my point is, ZWO Can easily comply with the requirements but they choose not to. They have been notified of their non compliance and they essentially told the developers to go screw themselves. I think it's BS that they do that. I can not deny that they have brought more people into the hobby. I cannot Deny that they have made great advances in the hobby. But I Also acknowledge that they have gone a messed up route to do so. I was just trying to explain to you why there is the Outrage. The ends don't necessarily justify the means. They have "Stolen" The intellectual property of Other Developers. Made Millions off of their hard work and then given them the middle finger essentially. If you are Ok with that, then that's on you. As I stated. I know all of this and I own an ASIair, A 2600MC Pro a 533 MC pro as well as an EAF...

That is great that you have the AstroStation. I really want one. I have contact with Touptek directly but they have not been willing to send me one yet. Hope they do soon.

I had the worst experience with stellarmate ever. Very unstable, unreluable without any support. Submitted about 10 bugs - all of them got "wont fix". Nina is much better and free. My worst investment in astronomy

Stellarmate has been doing a lot of improvements lately I hear.

Stellarmate works with OM cameras but I myself do not have a setup running them yet. It's been a time thing and I was rather cancer sick for about 3-4 months but getting better now. Maybe I can make it happen and show the OM community how.

Yes I really want to do better. Wee need the competition.

I wish Linux was better represented in the astro software community.

They really do make great cameras and have made some good strides forward in hardware too. Software is just lacking. I really want them to be better.

On an other hand, stellarmate is much better now than one year ago, if you haven't use it in a long time and still looking for a solution that doesn't imply locking you up in zwo prison, you should try it

I to have Stellarmate. It's powerful but a lot to figure out. I was actually going to mention it in the video but then it was starting to get too long.

When the PoleMaster first came out it was the best thing there was. Guess it has been elapsed by other software now.

Very true! 👍

Could it be QHY is worried about intellectual property as in it might be too much of a clone of the ASIAIR to not make it through a court challenge? China is much supposedly much more relaxed on such things than other countries.

@@richardhswan8069 That's a great point Richard. China essentially clones everything and cares nothing about intellectual property rights etc so that could well be the reason!

@@richardhswan8069 They are so different now I do not think that would happen.

Well, I own the QHY Focuser. They ship unsigned driver installers... Software isn't their strength it seems

I am not saying their products suck. I am saying they suck for not trying to bring this to market in 5 years.

That is such an awesome song too.

Which or how many of these open standards is suing ZWO? If none perhaps there are legal reasons they are allowed too? Or maybe they do not care and neither should we? Forum posts get some people way to worked up and often have no benefit to the industry and are even toxic to it.

@@TheNarrowbandChannel it cost money to sue and these are often community projects. Just because someone breaks a license agreement because they have deeper pockets or they think they can get away with it doesn’t mean it’s right. So it’s also wrong to assume legal reasons rather than just reasons.

@@GregMcCall If all the rage becomes ubiquitous across all astronomers will astronomy be a better place? Will more people want to be a part of it? Will it bring more good will? How is this helping us? What about all the other instances of people improving the open source standards that you or I have never heard off. There must be many of them. Do we get upset about the tree that fell in the woods that we do not know about?

@@TheNarrowbandChannel I don’t know about any rage nor do I think many people care about much more than price. That still doesn’t make it right and still doesn’t justify skipping over a company’s wrong and their profiting over someone else’s software. If they were transparent, you’d have more of a point but they are not. Many (probably most) think it’s zwo innovation when really the indi kstars ekos software, the zwo products using them would not exist. Zwo deserves credit for putting it all in a hardware package and driving that idea in the industry but not the way they did it.

You can gray market them too. But they won't support you or honor a warranty.

You’re a rude little boy

It's China. The factory probably went to QHY and asked them if they wanted it in purple.

@@OGParzoval The IP is open source software. Your inability to understand how open source software works is not an argument against it.

Has anyone filed a suit agains them yet? Or taken any form of legal action? If not why are we worried about this? Aren't there better ways to use our energy?

@@TheNarrowbandChannel Not really taking any side on this. But in terms of a lawsuit its unlikely to happen given they are based in China which makes suing them almost impossible. Companies have been sued in the US for violating GPL licensing before though.

Hahaha not I would never want to fight Dylan. I consider him one of my role models in this hobby. Dylan is really so cool! Probably the coolest and chillest geek in this hobby I know.