I think I love this compliment. In really life I am FANTASTICALLY unhelpful in mazes and would likely be unhelpful as all heck in a care patient situation.
About the gen 3 drives, the Intel i5-1340P CPU only has 8 lanes of gen 4 and the chipset adds another 12 lanes of gen 3. I don’t see how they could have allocated those gen 4 lanes to five SSDs. This is always going to be a problem when you build a SSD storage server using a consumer processor. That’s why Xeon CPUs come with such a large number of pcie lanes, 40-80 or more.
Ive used all kinds of QNAP over the years. That GUI is absolutely BLAZING fast compared to all other QNAPs I have seen. I think I want one of these for my homes. Just let it run 24/7 for a home NAS. I have 10Gig fiber ran all through my homer already since im a network engineer so I can fully utilize a nas like this throughput wise.
When you do noise tests, I think you should compare them with other models at the same time and/or use a sound level meter like you did in some old videos., because, for my part, I can't really imagine the noise heard Anyway, thanks for your videos and articles. I'm about to get my first nas, and your videos help me a lot
Two things: Firstly, these reviews need to start with the price. Maybe it’ll cost views, but it’s more honest. Secondly, what’s the PCIe topology? Is this 5 3x2 connections direct to the CPU? Or are they sharing some bridge? This has been the case in quite a few NAS systems, and very cynically omitted from specs by manufacturers.
Tbh I definitely agree on your 2nd point.. Turnkey NAS manufacturers could definitely try to meet the growing challenge of affordable solutions arriving in the market by showing the lane allocation more clearly. But in the case of price right at the front, I have to disagree. The main audience that this product is targeting is more interested in what it can DO. Cost/pricepoint is definitely important to them, but they want to see how whether it justifies the purchase. Value and entry level systems, yes 100% they need to emphasize price right out the gate, but this kind of solution is targeting post production. Plus, most users in that category who are more heavily budget focused will have already seen the price online and are coming to this vid to know if it's worth it.
I have my eye on this unit, however, I just had Two Dell PowerEdge 730's and an HP server dropped into my lap, along with an Enterprise Cisco switch. The Dells include a two port 10gb sfp nic.... so I might have to wait on this QNap unit. The servers include sata busses for 3.5 and 2.5 drives.... and 40gb of 3.5 nas spinners, and 4gb of 2.5 spinners, and good amount of ram. Im going to have some fun.
The memory is just simply NOT enough for utilizing the system with VMs, well maybe one VM that runs containers. If they boost the memory to 64 BG the second generation of this device will have a bright future!
@@Kicker700 Agreed! I'm going to keep my eye on this model though. If the second generation has a min of 64 GB of memory and hopefully one more bay for the NVMe I would probably pull the trigger on it for my business.
When spending this much cash is quite ridiculous that they claim the limitation to PCIe Gen3x2 was due to keeping the device compact. Then I'd dare them to make one that is double that size (and would still be half the size or less than a traditional non SSD QNAP nas with 5 bays!) so that the end user can leverage the capabilities of the SSDs Gen4 in full. I bet they'd be also able to fit the power adapter in a case 2x the size as this one... and would still be portable enough.
Great video! Definitely outside my price range, but I really enjoy the variety of all flash NAS' we are getting at the moment. I'm looking at getting my first NAS, and an all flash NAS appeals to me for aesthetics, power efficiency and noise. If we can get more devices in the price range of the Lincstation N1 that would be awesome.
Each drive has a stated endurance rating in terabytes written. For 4TB drives this can be up to 1200TB, and if you do the math, at 50 gigs written each day every day, will take you 65 years to reach.
If it really is using Thunderbolt 4 instead of 3 is it is an instant turn-off (they both tunnel PCIe Gen3 lanes, but TB3 end device can be x4, TB4 native support is just x1...), regardless of the price. I rather suspect it is actually a TB3 device.
Wait...what...you though the flashstor 12 pro (12x m.2, 10Gbe, about the size of a PlayStation 1) was over priced at $799? Mate, try building something the same physical and storage scale for the same $ and send me the breakdown! I'll review it in a heartbeat!
Gen 3x2???!!! Hard pass. . .Thunderbolt 2???!!! 12GB RAM???!!! No ZFS? Why did you do Raid 5?? E1.S drives may be like unicorns right now, but give it a year.
Not to complain (lol), but 16 gig of ram is nowhere near enough to run zfs with five 8 TB drives. not to mention the ram you would need to run containers and such.
DUDE your rant is weird to me, Thunderbolt 4 certified cables are all over Amazon. that to me is a no brainer. thank you for the reviews , I'm starting to force my RIGID brain to consider SSD drives, but I wish I could find " real world " tests to see how long they last versus a EXOS hard drive I have in my 918+ . this unit is far from perfect. I'm typing this on a PCIE 5 machine with a Crucial T700 1TB Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD with heatsink - Up to 11,700 MB/s - DirectStorage Enabled - CT1000T700SSD5 - DRIVE and it's just crazy fast, that would be great for a new nas next year .
It is a nice machine, but indeed pricey. Noise is not too bad, so it seems? I do struggle where to place this model in the roam of QNAP products. (SOHO/SMB?) Not too happy about the PCI-e bandwidth, should have been Gen 4, full stop. Therefore, the speeds you've shown in this video aren't that impressive, if I can be honest for a second. Whilst it is not indeed a too bad speed, but with 10GBe, and all the other ports, I believe their designers could have dropped a port and freed-up PCI lines for the M.2 SSD's. I personally would be skipping the i3 version and thus definitely go for the 16Mb RAM version and i5. Or one could, hopefully hack the system and replace the CPU? (but with soldered RAM, I expect the CPU also not to be replaceable) Soldered RAM is really annoying. Not including a Thunderbolt cable is standard with QNAP, I have no issue with that. As it than often a question of 1 meter, 2 meters or 3 meters? It is hard to please all with it comes to lengths ;-) BTW, pricing is 1800 euros in the Netherlands. PS: I do hope the 120watts powerbricks are up-to-spec, we have plenty over here that die (or go into thermal-overload shutdown) and had to go for 3rd party. FYI, the choice for QTS versus QuTS Hero is also not a true easy one, as performance, according to QTS recent video "Webinar Best Practices for QuTS hero NAS Setup" is a thing to possibly worth reconsidering ...
how's your speed test using the T2E? I tested mine on Mac and Windows and T2E has very very slow write speed at less than 500. Even the iPerf3 test is very slow on up test. Thunderbolt test is symmetrical and faster than 10GBe.
imho they did the right ting with the nvmes. there is no point in having thenvme's in gen4, since a single or 2 of them can max out the 10gbe connections, having them a full gen4 speed is useless since you need a 100gbe to take full advantage. also, not all lanes of the cpu's 20 can work at gen4. they prob. used the gen4 for the nics, the thunderbolt etc, which makes more sense. besides, 5 nvme's can max all nics and thunderbolts even working at gen3x2. in a nas like this, nvmes are about the small size and lower latency, not transfer speeds.
Thunderbolt 3/4 only needs gen3 lanes, so using gen4 for that would be a waste - and I am pretty certain the same would go for the whatever 10GBe NIC they are using.
@@wolf2965 there is no interface in this nas capable of pushing 5xgen4 nvme bandwidth speeds (tb4 is ~4GB/s, 10gbe ~1GB/s). that's the whole point but somehow you missed it. also, there are not enough pci-e lanes on the cpu for that confiiguration to work, try again.
@@giornikitop5373 You seem to be arguing with yourself here - no one said anything about pushing 5x gen4x4 nvme bandwith other than yourself - and this device clearly can't do it nor does it try to. That much is obvious to anyone with a working brain. As for lanes, to get that 5x gen3x2 configuration they are likely using a PCIe switch combined with a multiplexer, connected directly to the CPU, with TB and NIC connected via the chipset like they are in majority of Intel based devices. If a much cheaper Asustor model can use this kind of config for their 6/12 gen3x1 NAS models, QNAP certainly can budget for it here. We would have to wait for a teardown to know for sure.
@@wolf2965lot of ppl including the creator of the video, complain about not having gen4 in the nvmes, i didn't just made that up. yes there is a mux chip in there for the nvmes, but i doubt it uses more than 8 lanes, which means another 8 are unused(?) since the bifurcation is 2x8. as for the tb ports, the only reason they go through the chipset in usual, is because they need to pass through usb data. that is not usefull in a nas at all. but you're prob. right, i doubt they used another pci-e bridge to connect them to the cpu. let's see, if there is ever a teardown.
It still looks like a prop from the 1956 Forbidden Planet movie. No money spent on design, and horribly expensive for what you get, so a pass for me. And only five bays?
Hi @NASCompares i have installed windows 10 pro on my Qnap ts 464 do you know how to i get drivers of my network cards intel killer E3100X 2.5 Gigagbit, i have already installed but i have conflicts :(
The Gen3 but is a bit of a bummer, yeah. But I do still think, as a single editing station for 3 1080/4K editors, it's a solid box. Plus, it's chuffing tiny. Maybe when it starts floating around a little further from the RRP, it will see success
@@nascompares but at that price point? I guess is akin to buying into Apple products. Pricey for what you get in some of the tech, but what it lacks in tech, you get in quality & sw support. Not sure - but not only the Gen3, the memory limitation. Ugh! Soooo close; I guess we’ll have the options down the road, albeit at a higher price point??? 🤔
Yes way over priced. Must have missed the fact that you could build a hella pc for half that price. Gen 3 pcie REALLY for over $2000. I really now have to start watching what hardware you are reviewing and giving way to much credit. You should stop selling out.
Sorry to hear that. But I would maybe venture that trying to build a system of this scale with the same hardware config, with a full os included is not as easy as you might think. Add to that it's compact size, and uniqueness in the marketplace and I can see why they would aim high on the price. Not THAT high perhaps (as I highlight a bunch in the vid) but still high nonetheless. Have a go, I tried to spec up something similar on q TrueNAS build and Erying 13900HK Mobo (3x m.2) and a 4x m.2 pcie card, 16GB DDR5 SODIMM and it still came in at £850 minimum ex.VAT (good old dodgy AliExpress!).. add the thunderbolt 4 connectivity, add a PSU, add the case, add the OS SSD... Now you are looking at £1100-1200. Next the OS... The time to build... 7 different warranty's at 1yr each (if at all). The point I'm making is, yeah, this thing ain't cheap, and I think it could stand to be a good 10-12% cheaper. But it ain't the nightmare scenario you think for the cost vs someone who just wants an off the shelf turnkey box. I hope you keep watching, but if you don't, that's cool and I'm sorry to hear it. Have a great week bud
It is overpriced if buyer don’t need that whole “package “ but they don’t sell it separately We usually calculate the cost by hardware but there is more than that include software and service ,warranty I don’t need these so I planning get a ar900i which have quad nvme onboard Or I can get a Ryzen spilt 4/4/4/4 with a cheap adapter and then plug a saberent quad name adapter to another slot which cost 165 gbp So there was quad gen4 direct nvme plus quad gen3x4nvme which gave limited speed to gen3x4(adapter limit) It was high lower tier storage build with upgrade ability tho ….
1800$????? Loooool thats it, give QNAP the prize of most overpriced product of the 2024. already. Btw I stopped wathcing the review the moment you mentioned that price, even if its twice cheaper it will be overpriced. Screw you QNAP, you are worse than nGreedia
