QPQ v CHF and the SOLGW solution 

Battlefield Las Vegas had lots of barrels and data on barrels and they concluded that CHF chrome liner barrels on average are lasting twice as long as the nitrided barrels. That being said if your nitriede barrel lasts even 10-15k rounds that 7k worth of ammo you can either get a free replacement from these studs or pay the 300 dollars for dd barrel once it’s shot out.

Great info guys. Thanks for the awesome discussion.

I've been waiting for a video like this. Thank you.

Great info... just here to learn!

Can’t tell you how stoked I am to have my rifle from y’all finally

Love the info

This is going to ruffle some feathers. I'm a QPQ believer.

I can tell you one thing for sure... I consider myself lucky to be fortunate enough to own firearms from Sons of liberty gun works and BCM when it comes to high quality, bomb proof, reliable weaponry. I know damn straight that in the unlikely event I ever manage to run into issues that you guys stand by not only your gear, but your customers! I will never hesitate doing business with companies like you guys!! Yall being from TEXAS is also something I can get down with seeing as how I was born into the Great State as well!! Lol Keep on doing what you're doing fellas, you've manufactured your way into a ton of lifelong customers✌🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲👌

Your awesome guys!!!

This video just made me decide to order a solgw barrel

After watching the SOTAR barrel autopsy from rosco it had 20thousand suppressed rounds (not sure if full auto) but it was most impressive to see a QPQ nitrided barrel and the throat was amazing. Obviously nitrided barrels have come a long way

Love this company man. Y’all gonna be big stars one day

Very interesting. I too have begun to be INDOCTRINATED to believe that CHF chrome lined is the best way to go. Thanks for this guys. You've really sparked some interest in this for me.

My take on CL vs nitriding is overall heat generation. What is the rifle's use, what is its barrel profile and thus how much heat removal will the barrel need. An HBAR profile barrel with CL is a solid magdump machine all day whereas a pencil profile nitrided barrel is likely not. Basically I take into account other factors before deciding on the finish, not that I have the data to back it up. I like either to be honest, depends on what the gun is for. I'll say this, there is a ton of data to still collect to get the bigger picture of one vs the other.

Honestly Mike is a great Salesman without actually trying to sell me anything. The confidence he has In his products makes me want to buy his work/products. I just bought a NOX break and a SOLGW Gas Block and the Knurled set screws are just brilliant. Snug fit to reduce gas leaks, it just makes sense. 👌

love that mentality

Just listening to you guys makes me want to buy a SOLGW. Just bought a BCM mk2, but my next AR might just have to be a SOLGW.

I just got my first SOLGW 11.5 inch. It's beautiful

A company that stands behind it's customers like this deserves far more business. I've read many books and done many studies on what makes companies great and the common thread they all have is building everything they do around the customer first.

I live about 10 minutes away. Love to support a company that set up shop on the Southwest side of San Antonio. Are y’all going to allow the public to come by soon (next 2 months or so) and will you start custom builds again (drop down menu on site)?

Great info Mike!...Whats your thoughts on fluted pencil barrels?

If you have a good Criterion barrel with good chrome lining, you'll get good groups and be able to do mag dumps, etc. Longevity will be premium. However, modern 4150 CMV nitrided barrels hold up well in second-place in terms of abuse/round count under heat. Stainless (416R) doesn't hold up as well as far as round count, especially with high cyclic rates, the metal is softer and will not last as long. But, 416R can give you the best accuracy because the bore is easier to machine to better tolerances for precision shooting. A good compromise is 416R QPQ, which will extend barrel life 2X under slower cyclic rates. But even modern 4150 CMV nitrided barrels not only offer great longevity, but can offer 1 MOA or better accuracy when manufactured right. CHF barrels can offer the same between the two but longevity is subjective with higher cyclic rates. The bottom line is, unless you plan on shooting $10k worth of ammo through one barrel, you may never know. Buy a quality barrel from a reputable manufacturer and 99% of the average shooters will tell you that the barrels do everything they want them to. The 1% with the giggle switch might prove us wrong though lol.

No bullshit kinda guy...... here it is, no bells and whistles...... time for a cold Lone Star Light

Whenever someone is looking for a serious AR build, I always recommend SOLGW and BCM, and this video has made me consider putting you at least a step higher.

What a bad ass

Once I start seeing the best operators in the world using QPQ - I'll start using it. Until then its CHF CL.

I love SOLGW, great Texas company and I love sending them money. But we'll see how well this video ages in the next few years. It wasn't too long ago Mike railed on BCGs on P&S swearing SOLGW would never carry stupid nickel coated BCG and Gucci calibers. And how they had the best BCGs because they listed the ''specs''. Now they carry all those, and without specs, and I'm glad to have one in my 6.5 Grendel. The only reason not to carry CHF barrels is cause they don't want to pay for the expensive machines. Which is totally respectable. And offering a warranty to replace a barrel knowing most people wont shoot 100 rounds in its life time is a solid business decision. But trying to prove non CHF last as long as CHF is just snake oil. SOLGW likes to emulate and learn from Hodge which is also great. But Hodge uses CHF, and ironically for people who like to boast specs and bash just as good brands my 3 Hodge CHF FN barrels spec out identically to my PSA CHF FN barrels. Just sayin. So in the ultimate irony SOLGW has become the ''We're just as good'' freedom brand, while PSA (if you stick to FN barrels) is actually materially and specs out identical. But I bet give SOLGW another 5 years of the success they very much deserve, they will be happy to offer CHF barrels.

He said people define “shot out” as a lot of different things. Then said they will replace shot out barrels. My question is what does SOLGW define as shot out when it pertains to warranty claims.

Looking forward to buying a Sons blaster!!

Stag Arms also offers a lifetime barrel.

i agree with what u said but there is independent testing and thats why the military calls for chf barrels for their machine guns. everything is dependent on what u are using them for but there is already a lot of research thats proves chf barrels last longer through intense firing schedules than qpc or whatever coating theyre using. does that mean you need it for a fighting rifle? obviously they are doing something right because they build some of if not the best fighting rifles around and sticking to the rifles original specs and mil specs are smart and 1 reason they are doing so well.

He'll ya borthers!

Do any of solgw rifles come with “heavy barrels”? In my state I and required to have heavy barrels on my ar-15’s.

DD barrels makes some of the best barrels on the market. They forge the chambers along with the bore at the same time. Is it worth the cost compared to free replacement barrels can only be answered by the buyer..

Great sales pitch but when your website shows everything out of stock, it's difficult not to choose another company.

Have both, shoot both, love both.

While the upfront cost to buy CHF equipment is huge the unit price after the fact is much less, that’s pretty much the only reason the technology exists. The hype behind hammer forging and the fact that they’re usually chrome lined is why they’re always so much more expensive. That’s why the original AK-47 originally went from button rifling and a milled receiver to hammer forged and stamped. I’m surprised by your findings though, chrome is much harder than 4150.

I love solgw and I’ve bought a lot of stuff from them. Personally I prefer a criterion barrel. The core is so well balanced and accurate I’ve built my last 2 rifles with these barrels. I know there is an extremely small chance I would get 20k rounds to where a barrel would be shot out. But these barrels are twice the price of a solgw barrel. It’s real cool how they will replace a worn out barrel but in all honesty if I where to wear out a barrel I would not be a cheap ass and I would buy a new barrel or build a new upper. Just about everyone in the firearms industry consider barrels wear items. By some chance it was messed up new is the only way I send one back.

You guys should put out SOCOM profile barrels. I'm thinking of getting a colt or BCM 14.5" and cutting it to 12.5" for a build I'm putting together but if I could just get everything from one spot, that'd be awesome

Do chrome lines have less sticking issues with steel case?

Does Sons of Liberty Gun Works have an in person showroom/ shop?

When did you change the gas port sizes? And why did you change them? My 12.5 was not .068

What chamber treatment lining resists corrosion the best? Lots of Marines died because the military turned-down chrome lining, and didn't even supply cleaning kits until it was clear barrels were corroding so bad that guys were dying in large numbers. The chamber would develop pitting, and the brass would mold into the pitting making it extremely difficult to extract, and no amount of cleaning gets rid of pitting. So, how well does QPQ resist corrosion?

When will barrels actually be in stock?

Does QPQ help 416R last longer? If so, how much more life would that add.

I think some people obsess a little too much over name branding. Manufacturing processes are tons better than what they used to be and there's a lot more ARs being built than ever.

BCM has entered the chat

Check out the Filthy 14 BCM rifle, CHF chrome lined mid length gas system, they say FN makes BCM barrels. I think it was somewhere over 42,000 rounds, before they took it out of service.

Arent the chrome lined barrels supposed to take the heat of full auto a lot better?

Aren’t qpq barrels more accurate than CL because CL isn’t as smooth/consistent basically?

9 and 1/2 minutes of mike telling you he doesn't understand how averages and distribution work.

I’m curious. As a Mechanical Engineer how would a 4150 CHF Melonited or QPQ, Hard chrome plated barrel perform compared to 4150 CHF hard chrome lined and 4150 CHF QPQ’d??? Also, FN USA guaranteed the accuracy of one of their bolt guns - the SPR A3G: 1/2 MOA for 10K rounds. That’s the only time I’ve ever seen such a thing.

how can you order a sons rifle everything is always out of stock.

I have a feeling that this was shot and done on the first take. When you have genuine SMEs talking, things get rolling. This is some gold y'all are putting out. Side note: Would it be possible to secure that flag somehow? It's a little distracting despite the audio being the core of the content.

? what about a pin and weld barrel? eather way just received my 13.9, and getting it pin in a few weeks.

How come you guys don't produce a barrel with a modern profile?

When can I get that 13.7 middy barrel with the fsb??????????

Dudes like me will never shoot out a nitride or qpq barrel at less that 1k rounds/ year. I really can’t justify the price of a chf cl barrel unless unless its a AK pattern and I’m shooting surplus corrosive ammo

Stag Arms have an infinite shot barrel guarantee.

Centurion owns SOLGW all day & every day .

BCM Enhanced medium weight fluted is mine.

Is it true that BA makes your barrels for you?

I have bought several CHF barrels because I always thought more money had to mean a better barrel, and also believing the internet "experts". The last few years, I have bought nothing but SOLGW products because I believe in them and they are Texas boys as well.

I wish I could buy a CHF, Chrome lined, 14.7” , mid length gas system, with a SOCOM profile, 1/7 5.56 chamber. Anyone find one let me know, I can’t stand an ignorant government profile, exactly opposite of what they should have done.

If you are 40 ish years of age this can easily last the rest of your life. If you are 25, it will outlast the time of your life where you might shoot a lot more. I am all in for all top quality. We swim in quality and quantity yet still people(grown ass men) whine and complain endlessly. Be thankful

Proof Research has a similar guarantee. If you shoot out one of their barrels, they replace it. Even crazy overbore shit like .28 Nosler or .22 Creed. They are expensive initially, but between the accuracy guarantee and the warranty, it's the last barrel you'll ever have to buy. Buy once, cry once. I dig your shit, Son.

The CHF guys are here now! Do we have to put y’all nitrade/melonite lovers back in your place again! BCM, DD, LMT and Geissele!!!

I love that flag but my ADD is kicking in

Guys, you can't change the laws of physic, break them or abolish them. A CHF barrel is hands down the strongest barrel structurally because of the forging process of applying huge amount of pressure to the metal to form it whish makes it more dense, align the molecules, stiffen barrel, very concentric chamber and bore etc... 99% of civilians have no use for chrome lining unless you have a full auto gun, shoot all in a session or live in an environment with the element speeding up corrosion. Barrels were CHF for mass production and strength for machineguns. So in conclusion 99% of civilians see no benefit from chrome line barrels and CHF barrels.

This sounds like a job for IRAQVETERAN8888. His barrel meltdowns should be the scientific standard in determining these so-called "Battle-ready rifles".

At some point I’m going to top off a pistol with a SOLGW complete upper.

Honest question: If you have the data and you want people to seriously consider your take on this subject, have you published the data?

Nothing compares to 416SS when it comes to accuracy. The closest you will come is some of the 14.5 Colt SOCOM barrels. Stainless does have a shorter service life but we are talking 10s of thousands of rounds. If you can afford to shoot one out you can afford to replace the barrel. Why sacrifice any accuracy? You pay for the ammo, and $300-$400 for a new match grade barrel is less than 1/10th of what you would have to spend to shoot it out using the cheap shit ammo. People that shoot steel case and cheap crap ammo may want a barrel that lasts forever because they are cheap and the results they achieve are far below the standards that professionals demand. for my 10.3 13.7 14.5 and 18" I only shoot Federal TRU 69 and 77, and Speer GoldDot 62 and 75 in .223 For 5.56 its Black Hills 69gr and MK262. If you want to fuck up a barrel quick shoot some of the M855A1

Just say it's cheaper and the average shooter will not shoot enough rounds to justify chromeline. End of story.

The CHF process is a more expensive way to make a barrel. Lulz, what?

All talk, no data.

6 moa rifle is just fine for standard military rifle. "3.5" moa is shot out 😂😂 what a load of marketing bs. some ars shoot new 3.5 moa.

Your uppers are hundreds more than BCM... they are a Proven Company.. I'll stick with Bravo Company..

This does not answer the 'which is best' question. This video was a waste of time.

This whole video is a cope and pandering to the lowest common denominator. I want the best battle implement I can get for preservation of freedom. And that's currently CHF CL End of story.

So I decided to make a quality Mills bad like AR 15 with a heavy barrel with the RIS2 rail I am four and it was after doing a little bit of research on barrels I have nitrated I have no pet on Roscoe and then call timer for Daniel and surprisingly the heavy barrel or the SOCOM as is more well-known as butt double chrome wind and I can definitely testify to that comparing it to my Daniel chamber I’d say it’s chrome is a Drop different in color or shine but the company I chose was Not Colt The company ended up using was Centurion arms and they use some of the highest grade 4150 machine gun steel Barstock and I’m not sure if they do the double chrome lining I do appreciate that they really think about the ID and the OD of your barrel and gas block It is extremely tight need oil in a mallet to not get back on after you have to obviously take it off but it has a notch tab that (kind of makes it super 88 proof if they don’t know how to line up a gas block it slips into that notch and you’re good to go ) also has dimples under that The block does not use it only needs a pin and since it’s extremely low profile it’s pinned on the top of the gas block of the barrel as there’s more gas block material in that area once you knock your gas block back on The other thing with centurion arms m4 heavy barrel Is it really besides the gas system being tight is they use cranes bad gas port size actually there is is in the acceptable range on the low end at .061 and the crane I believe is .0625 but I had mine checked at between .061 and two so .0615 using a geissele super 42 heavvvvy triple bladed wire spring and their H2 buffer now I had it come with polish feed man so also there’s a little extras you add on And it’s centurion arms not criterion people always makes up centurion and criterion It’s ensuring in arms that’s who you want the owner is a Navy seal Monty McClair former seal and on all that barrels they say that being $500 or so for mine basically hey it deserves high power quality ammunition especially being crane spec because as sons of liberty gun works Mike says the seal teams don’t use who is it PMC bronze Winchester white box and it’s true you wanna give it a good ammo if you can’t get Black Hills try IMI but I get beautiful sharp 4 o’clock injections and with a canine I honestly have to say it’s not that bad and I’m left-handed for fucks sake yes radian Raptor a socom rc2 not as bad as others at all especially doing build drills and stuff but I try to shoot at my natural respiratory pause as I was trying to years ago and it still sticks to today where it’s almost subconscious 4150 CMV machine gun barstock CHF with double chrome liningI don’t think you can really go wrong especially if it’s going to be in a select fire basically it’s similar to saw barrels as fin double chromes them

Stag has the same offer for their barrel

CHF are the best