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Just in case anybody is confused about why Anne was upset about Henry's shirts, here's an explanation: Making some thing for someone, and spending time and energy creating it splendidly is an intimate action. And Henry wearing them is an action acceptance of that intimacy. That's why Anne was mad.
Not only that, but making the King's shirts was considered to be one of the wifely duties of the Queen. By continuing to let Katherine carry on sewing his shirts Henry was basically acknowledging her as his wife. Or at least that's how Anne saw it. Henry likely just saw it as convenient to let Katherine do it as she was an excellent seamstress and embroiderer and knew his measurements and what he liked.
She ruined a marriage , she could have let Katherine get some comfort by atleast making shirts Taking everything away from her so brutally is what killed her mercilessly
@@Mel-jy4kc He didn't just want a divorce, he wanted an annulment; that's an entirely different thing. Out of the five rather unfortunate women who suffered being married to him (I leave Anna von Kleve out of the group, since she was the only lucky one right after her divorce from him), Catalina ended up being, by far, the one who endured the most miserable outcome, beyond any doubt. Her love-and-then-heartbreak story with him is, to this day, among the most devastating ones of all time. May Catalina, the true Queen of England, rest in peace. 💔
Kokiri Emerald Either way the marriage was over and she needed to accept it. She was also not the one true queen. Once her marriage was annulled she was single, making Anne Boleyn the true queen until her death. Also, getting unfairly executed makes Anne Boleyn the one with the most miserable outcome.
TimeNeverSleeps1090--It's not just Henry. It's men, in general, who perceive themselves to be "alpha males" , whether by rank, or lucking out in the gene pool, or just in their own imagination. Nor is the phenomenon relegated solely to males. Alpha females exhibit those traits as well, using men to climb the social ladder or just to push aside a woman they view as lesser to them in looks, social class, or their own point of view.
Anne was really good at manipulating Henry in the beginning according this series. She played her part well to get his attention and keep it. I suspect what changed was when she fell in love with him. Its easy to play and manipulate a person if there is no attachment but that changed for Anne.
No, I think that the manipulative ways (e.g. tantrums, jealousy, her argumentative nature) that served her so well as his mistress became a major disadvantage once she was his wife. The same qualities that stimulated and excited Henry in the beginning of their relationship turned him right off her once she was queen.
@@chooseyourpoison5105 Yup, she just wasn't queen material. And I'm not saying the Queen has to be submissive, only that a queen in those times, especially one married to a narcissistic king like Henry, should at least pretend to be submissive, while being defiant always on the inside. Catherine of Aragon did so all her life. Just because she tolerated Henry's mistresses and bastard son doesn't mean she was a weakling, but I believe Anne Boleyn thought that's exactly what the queen Catherine was. Anne's own brother George in the show said to her something like, "can't you be more like Catherine?!" Anne apparently really couldn't. She simply didn't want to, didn't have the patience and common sense to. I perfectly recall her looking so genuinely confused at the mere suggestion of it from her brother. "Be like... Catherine..?" Was what she had said, in a thoroughly bewildered tone. Her false tough chick persona and ultimately worthless pride meant more to her than staying in the king's good graces. I'm not here to defend Henry, as I think he was in the end nothing but a remorseless mass murderer, but I do staunchly believe that if Anne had pretended to be submissive and meek from the start of her marriage to the end of it, then Henry wouldn't have been so pissed at her. He would certainly still blame her for not having a son, as he blamed Catherine before, and he would certainly annual his marriage to Anne, as he did his union with Catherine before, but there's a good chance that an Anne who hasn't taken every moment to defy him, piss him off, disobey him, and talk back to him, an Anne who'd even stroked Henry's ego by making herself seem inferior compared to her Lord Husband the King, and an Anne who hadn't made enemies left, right and center in court, would likely have had her marriage annuled and gotten sent for life to a nunnery, instead of getting her head whacked off, I believe. I could be wrong, but I really don't think I am.
She was doing what she was told like most females in that time. She was a pawn used by the males in her family and their allies to gain power. Most of what she said and did would have been fed to her.
I love how Henry practically shrugs it off, and then later he's like "you can't make my shirts anymore"...practically said: "you can't make my shirts anymore...Anne scares me" lol
It's fitting that Natalie Dormer played both Anne Boleyn and Margaery Tyrell because of how different they are. Anne (much like Cersei Lannister, ironically) never fully understood the perks of a good PR, her attempts to interfere in the matters of governance were met with haughty derision, and her behavior towards Henry after they were married did not help her case at all. By contrast, Margaery knows the game of politics like the back of her hand, perfectly understands the necessity of a good public image, and plays the meek and obedient wife flawlessly while gently--but firmly--wrapping her husband around her pretty little finger. Margaery is everything that Anne isn't.
Well I don't know about that, she did seduce or at least got Henry to divorce his previous wife of what 20 years or so and make her queen. She was apparently in charge or had some influence in bringing Protestantism in England, handpicking the bishops and clergymen. Henry made a Marques in her own right before she became queen. She was able to survive the way she did because of her astute mind and keenness in politics, that's how she won the divorce. I'd say both Anne Bolyne and Margaery were cut off from the same cloth, the only difference in unlike Joffery who one can blatently see was insane, Anne didn't know what she was getting into that or she was fooled into thinking Henry loved, which he probably did for a time, but seeing what happened to her predecessor she should have expected what happened, in my opinion it was all karma. Margeary wants to be queen for the power, and so did Anne, but I think Anne genuinely believed Henry loved which is why she couldn't just shut up and bear Henry's infidelity, what's more his waning attention to her bode ill to her because she had yet to bear a son, and her entire survival depended on that! Not to mention Margeary was lucky enough to have her wise and sassy grandmother to protect, Anne had none of that. I wouldn't say Anne was anything like Cersie, they share some alike, being puppets to their fathers but Anne's father recognized her intelligence and acknowledged it unlike Cersie. No Anne and Margeary are very alike, just one was more unlucky then the other.
Anne was a good mistress but a bad wife. Men want their mistresses to be exciting and volatile and almost out of reach. Anne was also everything Katherine was not and Henry was against Katherine because of the son issue. The family knew firsthand from the experience with Mary Boleyn that the family of the king's mistress profited so they wanted Anne next when Mary was no longer in flavour- but more long term, which she achieved through her wit, intellect and flirtatiousness and abstinence. He was besotted with her and gave her great influence over the kingdom so he could have a son. Her wish was his command. However, a wife should be humble and obedient and concerned with only woman's affairs. Once he married her he grew tired of her tantrums, especially when the lack of baby boys surfaced again. He no longer wanted her telling him what to do, that he couldn't have affairs as he had done with her and he did not want her influence in politics. Add to that that she'd made a powerful political enemy with Cromwell, she had no powerful allies abroad and she did not seem to be the type to go without a fight so he got rid of her the easiest way possible.
Anna had a fierce spirit, she would have thrown all the manners and public images of the world away if somebody tried to put her in "her" place. She was wild and free.
i wouldnt really say that. I mean there is a key difference between Margaery and Anne, because Anne genuinely loved Henry so of course she was upset when he did shit like cheating while for Margaery her husbands where tools for power (she was fond of Renly and Tommen, but didn't love them). Plus while i loved Margaery she didn't play her game flawless. She openly showed her ambition towards Littlefinger and other people and not to mention even when Cersei was trying to make amends she mocked her, resulting in her arrest and eventual death
@@autumnbottoms5743 The way she handled herself and her final words about King Henry were done to protect her daughter, Princess/Lady Elizabeth, in the future.
Natalie owned every scene where she had to portray strong emotions like anger or sadness. This scene, the scene where she catches Henry and Jane Seymour kissing and when she had her second miscarriage are very powerful and her acting is fantastic .
Anne: She still makes your shirts. How could you let her?.................................... You can't have three people in a marriage. Why can't you see that? Henry: And why can't you understand that I've more things to think about than my shirts!!!!!!! Later... Catherine, you're gonna have to stop making my shirts.
Tbh the super quick transition between his red in the face, yelling “when will you realize I have more important things to think about than my shirts!!!!” to the soft “Catherine, you have to stop making my shirts” made me laugh out loud
Really? I've always thought that Mary was stupid. Henry was never going to take her mother back. She could have pretended to accept his wives and made things better for her and her mother. Mary never seemed to learn to play the hand that she was dealt. Instead she stupidly insulted Anne to her face, thereby pissing Henry off and hurting herself.
@@misspriss2482 Playing his game and admitting she was a bastard and the mother that was fighting so hard for her and her right to the throne never had a legal marriage? Mary stuck by her guns and stood up to her tyrant father, like her mother did.
To be perfectly honest, every scene as Anne Boleyn was perfect because Natalie Dormer was fucking amazing and in my honest opinion the best actress to have ever played her, nobody compares to Natalie's portrayal
Henry: Why can't you understand that I have more important things to think about than my shirts?! Spongebob narrator: A few hours later. Henry: Catherine, you're gonna have to stop making my shirts.
Henry was caught between two stubborn wilful women. But he asked for it.......And Catherine of Aragon was not as meek and mild as many think. She was a proud Spanish princess from the most illustrious royal family in Europe and she fought her corner well when the time came. She outsmarted and undercut Henry in many ways - and in the end the Pope declared her marriage valid. She sadly did not realize that this would not bring Henry back to her. And Mary, who had blamed Anne for everything, expected she would be restored to her father and her position after Annes death.....that didn't happen either. Not for a long time. Not until she accepted her bastardy, and the king being supreme head of the church and other humiliating submissions after years of bullying by the king and his councilors. She never fully forgave her father.....there are hints in comments she has made and left for posterity.
Ikr? I do like the famous exchange where, attempting to gain an annulment after 20 years of marriage, Henry said to the Council that he had doubted the legitimacy of their marriage from the very beginning, and Katherine replied sweetly that if that were the case, then he had kept his doubts silent for a very long time. Oh, mic drop, Katherine! BOOM!
@Nenethegreat W Yes, people do stay silent a long time, but Henry wasn't one of them. Firstly, we all know that Henry wasn't the silent sort - he didn't hesitate to get rid of anyone he didn't like - heck, he got rid of Anne of Cleves so fast he puts Sonic the hedgehog to shame. Secondly, he did love Catherine for many years - he referred to her in letters as "my most dearly beloved spouse" and fought in tournaments under the banner of "Sir Loyal Heart" for her. Thirdly, how convenient for Henry that God should have caused him to have doubts about his marriage at the same time that he just happened to get the hots for Anne Boleyn. It's rather odd how "God's will" and the King's horniness seemed to be one and the same - how very obliging of Him.
This scene really does illustrate the old "men are from mars, women are from venus" adage. From Henry's perspective, he probably just wanted the shirts that he knew and liked; he's telling the truth when he says he hadn't even thought about it. From Anne's perspective, the shirts are symbolic of the fact that Katherine was still his wife, because she is still performing wifely duties (i.e. making his clothes) for Henry. Mars / Venus.
ChooseYour Poison lmao I hate how RIGHT your comment is. I understand her too well, but I see how he’s like wtf, I’m not even thinking about the damn shirts lmao
I feel like more than gender its the position they are in that plays the bigger role. Anne has alot to loose but Henry doesnt. Every action he takes depends on his ease. But to Anne, if Henry still has feelings for his wife then her role in the relationship is questioned. As i said two VERY different positions to be in.
At least in that case people don't idealize the adulterers like they do with Anne, going as far as making her blue eyed and giving Katherine black eyes and eyes since they're traditionally 'sinister' traits.
she was very subtle, clever and sly. But at the start she was insecure in case Henry went back to Catherine or fell for another. She then became secure and was excited when she was pregnant for a son but when it was a daughter and she couldn't give a son, she began to become insecure then panicked when Henry fell for Jane. That and they made the series OTT so we'd find it more exciting. Still love her though
Am I the only one who thinks that they should sequel the Tudors? Edwards reign was loaded with material short as it was, I would be interested just because it is one of the most under dramatized chapters in the Tudor dynasty. Not to mention marry the first, she was a lot more than just a villain for Elizabeth to overcome. And also Elizabeth herself, her reign did more than defeat the Spanish and execute Mary Queen of Scots.
Natalie Dormer is the best in this role. Become,look,manner,gait. What is one look in which all Anna's feelings are read. And gait is something! Majestic,beautiful and so confident. And what a beautiful Natalie! Facial features of a real queen. Fatal woman and legendary queen. Her facial expressions are a separate kind of art. Laughter,the way she cries inimitably! What beautiful dresses in this series,but they would not have ventured on anyone but Dormer. The way she transmitted the mother's pain is impossible to repeat. How she played the torments of her most loving wife... In general,the career was a succes. Natalie has long been remembered by many as Anne Boleyn!
Excellent production ,,got the whole series in 7 dvds /one whole case at target for 24.99. great deal i watched a fews episodes over and over Anne Boylen my favorite one.
"A shirt" is a totally different thing back then. It was like underwear; it was seldom taken off. People did not bathe as often then, and did not have many outfits. A king still wore a smock and a queen still wore a shift under her rich gowns.
Of course it was. Maybe it was even dubbed with a crying Baby voice afterwards. It helps to set the mood at the end of the scene and makes it more dramatic.
Anne was a very, very modern woman in her values years before her time. Hot headed and with a need to be heard, married to a man whose gender and crown meant no voice was allowed to be louder and no opinion was worth more. They were never in love with one another, they were in lust. Henry loved the idea of what she could give him, but when her voice became too loud and that idea seemed to fade with every loss they shared, he'd had enough. And when the King of England has enough, heads roll. Was Anne a perfect woman? No. But the men in her life were the reason she met the fate she did, her father and the King demanded too much and valued nothing about her but what they could get from her.
Notice the way Anne dismisses Mary with just her eyes, so that only the two of them know. She really is trying to be kind, but Mary's not having any of it. Stubborn, stubborn girl. With good reason, of course.
I loved AB in this series, most of all because she was the only one of Henry's wives who stood up to him and didn't constantly press her lips to his ass every time he had a tantrum when he wasn't getting his way.
Hmm . . Katherine of Aragon, while outwardly a submissive wife, was Henry's intellectual equal and outsmarted him plenty of times. In real life, during the King's Great Matter, there was an exchange between Henry and Anne where Anne snapped "Did I not advise you not to argue with her Majesty, for she were sure to win?"
Alice Graham anne was manipulative but when she finally got with Henry. She didn't exactly understand how to keep her throne. It's easier to get it but harder to keep it.
Jessica Laffin I feel like she could have just been divorced instead of beheaded if after her marriage to Henry, she played the role of a submissive and obedient wife. Because her attitude wouldn’t have work Henry out-simply the lack of sons. He’d probably have let her off easier then
The only thing Anne did wrong was not get a child. Plus its no wonder Anne gets so angry and pasionate and Margaery not. Anne genuinely loved Henry so of course she was upset when he did shit like cheating while for Margaery her husbands where tools for power (she was fond of Renly and Tommen, but didn't love them)
@@misspriss2482 stop lying. Anne schemed to get H8. She was HARDLY a victim. She was a hypocrite. Only feminuts think of AB as a "victim". Of course feminuts think of ALL women as poor "victims" of big bad scary men 🤣🤣🤣
@@trawlins396 you're a weirdo. don't get me wrong, anne was very much so not in the right in some scenarios of her life and relationship with the king, but she did not deserve to get beheaded nor emotionally abused by that egg Henry. henry was a terrible king
After taking everything from Katherine and ruining her life, humiliating challenging her over HER own husband Anne STILL had the audacity to be angry for HER MAKING HER LIFELONG HUSBAND SHIRTS. WTF is wrong with this evil woman!
In The Tudors she was quite cunning and subtle at first, but then she made the mistake of falling for him and allowed her emotion to get the better of her. I might have been something like that in real life. Maybe no falling for him, but after realising the power she held over him, the power he gave her, it went to her head... and she forgot how easily she could be taken down.
I’m really annoyed I never watched this when it was on. I watched The Other Boleyn Girl and fell in love with this whole story. A tv series would have been so exciting for me.
Yep, pretty much a classic "men are from mars, women are from venus" moment. Henry likely just wanted the shirts he knew and liked and saw no reason why Katherine shouldn't continue making them as she knew his measurements and preferred styles. Anne, on the other hand, sees the shirts as an acknowledgement of Katherine' status as queen, as making the king's shirts was part of the queen's wifely duties.
Henry and Anne have a similar character. they were meant and deserve for each other.. KoA, Jane, or any other wives are too kind and good to be his wife
Agreed. Both were self centered psychotic assholes who deserved each other, alongside being deserving of worse than they got. I'm sure, in a modern au, Jane Seymour, Catherine of Aragon, Catherine Parr, Catherine Howard and especially Anne of Cleves, wouldn't give Henry 8 the time of the day - but Anne Boleyn, I'm certain, would be the only idiot who would fall hook, line and sinker for Henry's woe-is-my-married/love-life tales. Their relationship, just like in the show, would be a loop of back and forth narcissism-enriching feedback.
@@ineffablegabe Godamn! Did you really think the real Anne Boleyn wanted to be with Henry??? Not after what he did to her sister. She even had to leave her job/court to escape him but he still chased her. He probably thought she was playing "hard to get" but she wasn't. She was basically coerced into being his lover. Sure, over time she probably did come to love him but she had no choice. Remember, if she told the KING she didn't love him straight up, then there would be horrible consequences for her family. Also, take off your 21st century glasses for a second. This show is for entertainment purposes only. It's not 100 percent accurate. Reality was a bit more complicated.
@@isidroguevara4120 first of all, we are discussing the show here, it's your fault for assuming I was talking of the real life people, while I was only referring to their show counterparts. In this show, Anne Boleyn did willingly come to court with the intention of seducing Henry, her downfall was that she got seduced in turn. But, show! Anne Boleyn only has herself to blame for that, considering she literally spoke the words "seduce me" over and over to Henry. There was no Henry forcing Anne Boleyn into a relationship with him in the show. Henry in the show never once stalked her, only chased her like the lust struck idiot dog he was, when, again, she literally said to him the words "seduce me". If you don't remember this from the show, it's not my fault your capacity for memorization of simple facts is shit. I'll think what i want to think about both real life, as well as all fictional portrayals of Anne Boleyn. If you disagree, well, by all means: Cry me a river! Toodles! 😉😊
@@ineffablegabe Oh come on, even in the show she was reluctant. They outwardly show that she seduced the king because her family told her to do that and she couldn't really refuse it. In the show they made her fall in love with Henry, was it like that in real life? We'll never know.
@@Hjalmar_an_Craite Why is Jane any better than Anne? She also seduced a married man and they didn't bat an eye when he killed his current wife to marry her?
What makes a mistress? Just kisses and the intention to destroy a marriage ? Or just having sex? Lol! Anne came in between a marriage. If this happened to any of you you would call that women a mistress for coming in between your husband and yourself.
@@sirenia1241 Actually, he didn't marry the handmaids, just slept with them. Rachel was just as culpable there, as she actually gave her handmaids (as slaves, they were considered property) to Jacob and told him to have sex with them.
@@marley92282 It's not called being way ahead of her time. It's called being an idiot. Anne really thought Henry would keep her, especially if she failed to give him a son, after he'd already shown how his previous wife was in the end just a "failed" broodmare to him? Why? Cause Anne believed she married the king for love, while Catherine didn't? That's not true. Henry willingly married COA for her massive dowry and the prestige of Europe's greatest bloodline. It was also an added bonus that COA was said to be the most beautiful princess in all of Europe in her youth. Henry was actually very much in love with Catherine for about 2 decades, until the idea of getting a son from a new wife came into his head. Henry was actually very into publicaly professing his love for COA from the rooftops before it became clear with their last dead child that it was her last plausable attempt at giving him a male heir. It was supremely foolish and arrogant of Anne Boleyn to think he'd keep to their marriage bed, or that he'd have any appreciation for their daughter Elizabeth, after the way she had seen -even herself incited- his horrible treatment of his eldest daughter, whom for a long time he had called the "finest pearl of England". CoA never showed arrogance, but even if she had, she'd have good reason to. She was an infanta of spain, daughter of the infamous Catholic Monarchs, and aunt to the holy Roman emperor, which is why it was fully guaranteed that Henry couldn't kill her, or her daughter, without going to war with all of the continent. The Boleyns on the other hand were nobodys, in terms of having noble blood. Hell, CoA even had a far more esteemed bloodline than her husband! So the fact that Anne couldn't even bring herself to pretend to be the weak, submissive, innocent wife, just shows her enormous stupidity. COA was a real example of a woman ahead of her time, in that she refused to take any of her husband and his mistress's shit laying down. She refused to surrender her daughter's birthright. And she did it all the while presenting a perfect mix face of innocence, smarts and pride. Hell, even the French royals, her family's sworn enemies, considered her Henry's real wife and the mother of his trueborn child, while Anne and her kid were deemed illegitimate. If Anne hadn't pissed Henry off so much with her arrogance, he probably would've exiled her to a nunnery. But her constant shouting and holier than thou preaching at him insured him looping her head off. She, for no reason, made herself countless enemies at court with her superiority complex. COA on the other hand was universally beloved, cause she knew how to play the game. Another woman ahead of her time was Henry's 4th wife, Anne of Cleves, who acted meek and simple-minded and gave Henry the divorce he desired from her, which put her so up in his good graces, that he bestowed upon her Castles and annual grants of money. Yes, wives shouldn't have to be obident little servants, but in times when being disobident caused Anne Boleyn and countless other women their lives, I think I can safely say with certainty that keeping on a facade of obidence is the best thing to do to insure one's self preservation. And shouldn't for any women truly worthy of being "way ahead of her time" self preservation be paramount? But for Anne Boleyn, it apparently wasn't. In the show, George Boleyn, Anne's own brother tells her to keep her temper down, to not get in trouble/the king's bad side. He outright says, "can't you be more like Catherine?" He obviously meant, be opiniated and strong willed with pride, but only on the inside, while putting on the act of kindness.
If I were in Anne's place, I would rather do the same . I know it was not the manner, but sincerely, it's easy tu judge someone, and people never understand until they live the same situation, and, definetely, when love doesn't born since the beginning to someone, in this case from Anne B. to princess Mary, it's not her fault at all, when you love someone, you never want to share him/her, do you?
Anne made Henry divorce Katherine which is stealing Henry from his first wife. If you were married and someone was trying to wreck your marriage you would not making excuses for them which is hypocritical.
The time in which all this happened the shirts weren't just shirts they represented Catherine and her hold on the King Anne did live Henry when she got her way as Queen but didn't conform and wolsey and cromwell played a part as much as the king and Henry she was to fiesty to keep alive and the king accused her of the most hanus crimes incest to get rid of her so he was free to make more heirs ironically Elizabeth daughter of Anne rules England through the golden age... Her blood was well spent ❤️❤️👌👌
