Not just Anne. Her sister Mary “the infamous whore” too got her share of laughs as well. Her descendants are the ones currently ruling. The Boleyn sisters won in the end
The fact that the daughter he completely neglected and emotionally mistreated became one of the most brilliant and influential monarch of their kingdom is so beautifully ironic and the fact that she willingly decided to remain childless because of the shit he put her through is poetic justice! His child, Elizabeth, the powerful female monarch decided to extinct his line once and for all. You can't make that shit up!
Right. And while it was sad that Edward died young, it was probably for the best since he could've turned out to be an even greater tyrant than his father. I bet Henry didn't love any of his children, not even Edward. He only saw his son as a tool to preserve his legacy. That being said, I agree that it was karma that all of King Henry's male children died young and even his daughters never gave him any grandchildren to continue his line, which died with Elizabeth.
Queen Elizabeth chose not to marry, mostly due to the fact that a husband would rule in her stead one she became his wife. Elizabeth I would rule England as she said “one mistress no master” not to mention she was two years and eight months when they took her mom away and she remembered it well. No man would have authority over her or England not while she lived.
Shenna Garret well they were cousins and Howard was a girl of 19 when she was murdered and younger when she was married to Henry possibly under some diruess not complete consent or willingness I am not sure then as he did to Anne when he had no more use for her he falsifies these ugly charges against her and in her despair she even ran to the church where he was in Mass or Service and banged on the door crying hysterical pleading for him to have mercy and help her he ignored her supposedly when informed of the accusations against young Catherine Howard Henry sobbed feeling betrayed of course he was acting he had no feeling or love for anyone of those women not the first one or 2nd especially he tormented those 2 and its sick to think his employing a swordsman instead of letting Anne die by Ax to think he thought that was some act of Mercy please don't insult our intelligence Henry you know you have no mercy in your black soul and what he did to Catherine and Mary separating them I think was so cruel its horrible to know your daughter is live but not be allowed to talk to or see her or vice versa your mother but it is also cruel to take your child's mother away brutally when she is 3 like he did to Elizabeth then to murder an abused Child for supposed Adultery when its false and lets be real Henry you got around too you had other sons but they were not able to heirs because they were not from your wives but your affairs too many to remember at least in his first marriage and probably his 2nd but was any woman really allowed to say no to him normally I would say takes two to have an affair but his is cruel Henry the 8th you do not say to him or you pay dearly Anne of Cleves was blessed he was probably too ill and weak by that time of that short marriage to plot against her and Jane she did not live to incur his wrath but I have sad it before and believe it with all in me that had Jane lived to see their son sick and ass on she would have been blamed by Henry and murdered for somehow causing Edward the boy king's premature death by having a sickly child or not doing something right or whatever else Henry could cook up its honestly a shock to me Anne of Cleves was not murdered for A being ugly (in his twisted mind not my opinion of her of course ) or B sharing he name Anne with a wife he went from lusting after to loathing and hating even this is just how I believe Henry was he had to have his way or there was hell to pay speaking of Hell have fun Henry ole boy how is that syphilis treating ya ? I do not wanna say this but as horrible as it is for a child to die I am thankful Edward ended u with his mother who loved him rather than spend what years his father had left being brainwashed however the waay he treated his sisters Henry did seem to get to him some
She acttuly did. Elizabeth become one of the most known, respected and popular queen of England. That a pretty good slap on Hendry. 😉 Sorry for my garbige English.
This was Anne's ultimate revenge from beyond the grave. That her daughter went on to be one of the greatest monarchs the world has ever known. Henry was a fool. I wish he could've seen what became of Elizabeth. Hopefully he did witness it from the other side.
It wasn't revenge since Anne got what she deserved. Elizabeth was a great queen, yes, but Anne Boleyn gets no credit for that, nor does it make up for how evil she was in her life.
@@LaKellita huh? If it wasn’t Anne, Henry would have married someone else. Catherine gave him no male heir. And then once Anne couldn’t bear him one either, he got rid of her also. I feel sorry for all his wives.
@@trekstarsam2494 not really. She was the one who put the idea in his head. She was a very ambitious whore. And when she achieved her goal, she was horrible to her stepdaughter. I always cheer when she gets beheaded in movies or tv
"But I was still your wife in God's eyes, and still am." "All the accusations against me were false, I thought you knew. -but we were like two moths drawn to the flame, and burned." "Kings too are made of clay, and God forbid you locked him away from the world like your father did with you." those lines hit hard
Catherine of Aragon was not the only who was enforced to divorce. e.g. Beatrice of Naples (16 November 1457 - 23 September 1508), also known as Beatrice of Aragon en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_of_Naples had same fate but the Pope agreed with it. But Charles V. pressured the Pope did not let it!!(see 1527 Sack of Rome). Divorce was very common those days. Anne Boleyn came from a parvenu family, and she helped to rob the English Church wealth(monasteries etc.)so I think Henry wanted to destroy also her family's influence(do not get same fate like Edward II.).
The ironic thing is that Jane would've loved her son if she lived. Henry never truly did. He just saw Edward as a tool to preserve his legacy and continue his line. As sad as it was that Edward died young, it was probably for the best since he could've turned out to be an even greater tyrant than his father.
It makes me cry and especially now that I saw those who died in 9/11 in my bedroom and their words were so haunting. I’m glad I got to see them but it hardly lasted unfortunately. Now I won’t be able to sleep tonight. RIP to you all that I just saw
The way Anne smirked and nodded her head as she turned away was such a beautiful embodiment of acknowledging so much senseless loss and saying “such a pitty” without uttering a word. So elegantly tragic… She is my favourite portrayal Anne Boleyn.
@@amyrat151 the tiny subtleties in her expressions and musculature movements under her skin as she moves through the emotions of the scene are painfully perfect. The look on her face transitions from when she said “it was not her fault either… to when she said “we were like two moths to the flame, then burned”….omg it was magic!
@@mellowcore Yes. I love how she's so still at first and then gets so upset when Henry said she betrayed him. I think about what Natalie Dormer said after filming her execution scene sometimes. She cried a lot and told Micheal Hirst, "she’s with me Michael. She’s with me."
It's the way both Mary and Elizabeth, the two children Henry DIDN'T want were the Tudor successors that were ultimately remembered, even if Mary's wasn't for quite a good reason. Goes to show that there was a price for Henry's mistreatment of his wives. The universe really told him: "Mistreating women, ay? Fine, let's see how you like it once your wives and their daughters will be more remembered than you ever thought they would be." It's poetic.
@@michellemaldonado7853 it was Catherine of aragon the one your talking about, Anne did not celebrate katherine Howard's death since she was executed before her and she most certainly cares for katherine. They were all good queens while Henry was lustful and egotistical and , in my opinion, the wrost English King.
@@michellemaldonado7853 Anne is Kathrine Howard’s cousin, Jane was he cousin too, and no Anne didn’t celebrate catalina’s death it was Henry that wore yellow and went out.
Well, Prince Edward died young before he could achieve anything of significance. As tragic as it was, it was probably for the best since Edward could've ended up being an even greater tyrant than his father if he had livied.
I have always thought had his first wife successfully brought him the son he desired how he may not have become fat, diseased, angry, wanted any other woman but her, and that Anglicanism would never have existed. He might have become a quite good king, because if you read about his early relationship with his first wife it was really good. England and the world may be a very different place had his one wish came true. He was too obsessed.
@@davidthedeaf Both CoA and Anne Boleyn had sons but none survived. Even Henry's illegitimate son died young. Henry also had an accident that made him mentally unstable because he was constantly in pain.
@@davidthedeaf the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Even Mary and Elizabeth were just as ruthless as Henry at times. Edward probably would've been even worse.
I have many issues with this show, but I am so glad it gave the women their last words in honesty instead of their usual words of Henry. And I LOVE that Jane gets to tell Henry that all his fighting for his “dynasty” will still fail.
@@wiezyczkowata actually..there were others she just refused to name them in the end.He had bastards that could've been named to the throne And..even though his 2 acknowledged sons died...his DNA still exsists
@@kasudano9717 but they are not officially house of Tudor, they are not monarchs, nor nobility, they just have a fun fact to tell to people - I'm a descendant of Henry's VIII bastard, they probably can't even prove it
the ghost of catherine howard was really necessary in this chapter because she could remind henry that he committed adultery many times while married to his wives
You are right. Catherine's ghost in the halls would haunt him more. (Adding the fact henry married her when she was a minor) but in that time, adultery in the king was normalized.. so i don't think henry would have feel guilty of that..
@@nicolasalvarez1001 yeah, ig. It would have been cool if the directors and writer puts scenes like Catherine Howard haunting the hampton court, everytime Henry passed, you could hear her crying , screaming and mocking Henry for being old and sick. Since in real life there's a myth about Catherine howard haunting those halls
Catherine's death scarred Elizabeth for life.... especially when she became old enough to understand that her mother died the same way (with less evidence)
I love seeing King Asshole the Eighth's first three wives rip him a new one. And when Anne Boleyn brings up Catherine Howard, he is so wounded that he can't look at her. As she turns away, she smirks, because she knew she hit him where it HURT.
All of his malice got King Henry nothing in the end. He may have been king but he was alone and nobody would ever love him. Even when he died, nobody was sorry to see him go.
@@nicolelawless3199 Dude if this is real it sounds like you need to go get that checked out because it could be schizophrenia or another hallucination mental health issue. If this is fake then wtf is wrong with you.
If it's how the last of his days went down, being haunted by his wives and the tragic future of his heirs, he deserved to be tortured like this for being a terrible husband and father
@@hamsterlee5244 it's also interesting because they were so far apart in age and upbringing they likely never even knew each other. Truly I believe Anne was innocent of her charges. Her cousin was not, but she was a young girl, nowhere near mature enough to be married to a man in his late 40s to early 50s
@@callanightshade8079 even so, she was 17 maybe younger and was married to a 50 year old man who was fat and ill and very close to death. he treated her horribly, so i hardly think she should be blamed for seeking romance elsewhere. i believe there is absolutely nothing on planet earth a person can do that warrants them being beheaded.
Ironically enough, Anne Boleyn was cousins with all of Henry's english wives. 1st cousin to Catherine Howard, 2rd to Jane Seymour and 8th to Catherine Parr. 😅 Talk about keeping it in the family. Hell, even Henry VIII was cousins with all of his english wives.
Out of all of Henry's wives, I think Anne Boleyn definitely got the last laugh. Her daughter Elizabeth was the least loved of Henry's children, yet she went on to become one of the most famous ruling monarchs in the history of the world.
I love all of the little details in this scene, the way Anne gets the last smirk, and the way that Jane is the only one that takes her child with her when she walks away because he will soon join her. Absolutely beautiful
A fascinating detail at the end Anne's visit: The camera's focus is on her as she turns away. When her back is finally to him, Elizabeth comes into sharp focus for a split second. Don't know if it was intentional since it cuts back to Henry pretty quickly, but it's a short, small detail with a lot of meaning and foreshadowing packed into it.
Henry was desperate to leave an heir England would love and adore and he believed that was a son. The irony that he did indeed achieve that it just wasn't the heir he thought it should be. Elizabeth was a fantastic Queen when she came to the throne England was in a state from Mary's war and persecution of the protestants. Elizabeth inherited a massive mess and she turned it around and made England prosperous and strong again and tried to bring religious peace by accepting that the Catholic faith was just as important to some of the population as protestantism was to the rest
I love that the first thing that Catherine said was "I have come to see my daughter" poor Mary was denied to see her mother for ages and her request to attend Catherine's funeral was fucking declined by Henry. I hate that guy so much.
I'd like to think that when Henry died, his wives were on the other side waiting for him...and took turns beating him senseless. I'm so glad history only remembers him in relation to the women in his life--It's all he deserves.
Well for me, after having listened to the soundtrack of Six the Musical (A concert-ish musical about the 6 wives of Henry the VIII), it would've also been cooler if after that, they form a band with Katherine Parr and make songs about their lives with Henry.
He's remembered for being a bloody narcissist. How many peasant revolts , burnings of monks after stealing their treasuries, selling their land and evicting g their peasants? He was given a full treasury and one piece of advice from his father, "don't make wars; they will bankrupt the realm" and yet, he did.
The smartest wife of Henrys wifes was definitely anne of Cleves. She never had to sleep with him and she left the marriage with her dignity her life and a very rich woman too.
Henry's last words were famously "Monks! Monks! Monks!" Considering what he did to monasteries, calling for monks is like...maybe his conscience is flaring up now?
Or may be he saw his jesus smirked at him and hand him to the hell where he saw monks were ready to give him punishment... Buddha was smiling at him and his fate...
That is an urban myth. Henry's last words were when his attendant Sir Anthony Denny asked the dying king if he would like to have the archbishop perform the last rites. Henry replied "I will first take a little sleep, and then as I feel myself, I will advise upon the matter." (i.e. "I'm going to take a nap. I'll see how I feel when I wake, and decide then.") When he awoke Henry was no longer capable of speech, but when the archbishop asked him to show by some sign that he trusted in Christ, Henry "did wring his hand mightily." (squeezed his hand hard)
@@nabaninandi4140 two problems The Buddha was not known in England at that time, therefore it would make more sense for him to call for Christian monks instead In Christian theology, if you repent of your sins, even in the deathbed, you are allowed to go to heaven
As serious as these interactions were, I couldn't help but smirk along with Catherine and Anne, and also when Jane told Henry that his dynasty would soon end. Reap what you sow.
I would say his daughters faced more trauma than the son definitely. Not sure about which one got more trauma as they both went through very traumatic events. Mary faced divorce, two beheadings and other tragic events. Elizabeth thankfully didn’t remember her mother’s execution much, but did definitely see her first cousin once removed, K Howard getting dragged to her death, and then was basically molested by Thomas Seymour while Catherine Parr turned a blind eye for most of the time.
Each is a manifestation of his guilt for sins 1. His abuse and abandonment of Mary when leaving the Catholic Church and shameful treatment of Catherine during miscarriages and infidelity 2. His wrongful execution of Anne, the pressure for her to have a son forcing her into madness and pain, and subconscious neglect of Elizabeth for his reminder of Anne and simply being a girl 3. His high expectations and treatment on Edward for loving the symbol of him and the idea of him vs him as his son, and his pressure on Jane to have a son at all costs so he would not set her aside. He would have if Edward was a girl… we all know that as a fact. Nice touch on him only calling out for Anne vs Jane and Catherine. And Anne’s little signature smirk as if she knows that Elizabeth will bring about a Golden Age. She did gain an broad education for a girl in the Netherlands as a lady for Margaret of Austria where she was called my Petite Boleyn. Then she was maid of honor to Queen Mary of France and later Queen Claude. She was the opposite of the English rose like Jane blond and blue eyed and considered exotic. She was courted by Henry Percy that historians believe she loved but his father disproves. She was the subject of poems to Thomas Wyatt. “I thought you knew.” She looked so heartbroken when she said that. Her face changed so significantly when he mentioned her “crimes” vs her smile when Henry stated how proud of Elizabeth he is. It was the worst crimes she was accused of. Incest with her brother, adultery, witchcraft, treason. Her uncle and dad just let it happen. All of those men accused with little to no evidence executed even her brother George. I always thought she couldn’t have been guilty because of how ridiculous it was to be accused of all of that and the justice system back then. Then mentioned Katherine Howard who suffered the same fate. Jane pulling Edward from going to Henry then mentioning his childhood with Henry VII, the apple doesn’t fall to far from the tree. Remember Henry was the second son and never meant to be king. “He was only a boy… you have killed him!” He thought his legacy was supposed to live though Edward. She looked so broken for the fate befalling her son that she barely got to raise or hold. It must have been terrifying to know what happened to her predecessor and her fate if she failed. Then Catherine mentioning Mary had no children or husband to love and he sent away her only chance, Duke Philip. By the time she married she was in those standards an old women as queen and it became hard to conceive and find a suitor. She suffered a phantom pregnancy. Then “You sent me away once, though I loved you. But I was still your wife in God’s eyes and still am.” Something he denied. I clapped and screamed Tell him! I like to think Mary became Bloody Mary due to the trauma he put her through. Maybe she did consummate her marriage with Arthur, we will never know, but I believe they were happy for while. Virginity sadly was greatly coveted for brides and the double standard for men. Consummation was so important. Sadly though they didn’t realize that bleeding doesn’t even automatically mean virginity loss. Some women have faced injuries that break it or they had a more fragile hymen. They might have falsely thought she was not a virgin due to the lack of blood but it could be due to health reasons like stated above. On the bright side she had Mary the light of her life. She died alone and unloved by her husband separated from her daughter as punishment for not signing that she accepted the divorce and made her beloved daughter a bastard with no claim to the throne. Katherine and Mary weren’t allowed to write to one another. Then all her lost babies. Stillborn, miscarried, died barely a year old. The humiliation of watching him wench with dozens of women and seeing them everyday and not being aloud to say anything or voice her pain. How humiliating to see Henry Fitzroy celebrated and elevated more than Mary ever was. Henry called Mary his pearl once… so sad what happened to their relationship. He even forced Mary to wait on her infant sister. His other wives must have also been terrified. Anne of Cleves in this show even said “if I don’t please the king will he kill me?” I believe that could have been something she said. Germany and Cleves court was very different from England and more restricted for women. They showed in the show for example how Anne didn’t know how to dance. She was not given a formal education and could only understand German which was a serious turn off. It was confirmed through Oliver Cromwell’s letters that Henry hated her even more after the wedding night and left it unconsummated. He was very much disappointed by her appearance even though most likely she was pretty. He even accused her of not being a virgin. Luckily despite the humiliation she was taken care of. And Katherine Pare was supposed to marry Thomas Seymour (who because Henry made her a bastard would sexually abuse Elizabeth when she became Katherine’s ward) it was never fully confirmed but I believe it was true due to research. She lost her first husband. Then she got to marry a man twice her age as a the second wife. Then Catholic rebels dragged him away for refusing to help bring England back to the pope. They threatened her second husband with killing her and the children. The king then believed her husband a traitor and took his estates leaving her penniless and homeless. He was released with no charges and then died to her sadness. She cared for him until his death. She did love him for she was rumored to mourn him greatly and carried his copy of the Bible until her death. She ended up becoming a member of Mary’s household and then the King fell for her. She loved Thomas Jane Seymour’s brother she felt it was her duty to marry Henry as he proposed. Who refuses the king? Katherine must have been been so scared. Katherine Howard was too immature to know what she was getting into. She was a member of the Howard family and cousin of Anne Boleyn via her mother Elizabeth Howard. They are one of the oldest and richest noble families with ties to old royalty. Henry was intrigued by her most likely for her youth which believed to be helpful in having sons. Most likely her family wanted to use her to gain influence like Anne Boleyn. Most likely her, Anne, and Jane were pawns to gain favor and influence. It wasn’t uncommon for fathers to sell off their daughters for favor. Take Mary Boleyn for example. Henry called Katherine his rose without a thorn and jewel of womanhood. She was very frivolous which showed her immaturity and childishness which is normal for her age. She was said to always wear jewels and fine french gowns like her cousin Anne. She was planning to marry Culpepper who called her in his letters my little sweet fool. The affairs were orchestrated supposedly by her ladies in waiting who included George Boleyn’s widow Jane. And people claimed to witness her sexual behavior before she was married. Apparently when arrested she actually did scream in panic and was manhandled to her her to the tower, who could blame her she was a child. She actually practiced placing her head into he execution block! Poor child. Her affairs were confirmed but back then they also maybe could have been via coercion. She was a child and Henry by then was old and open sores that smelled and was severely obese. Worst part is King Francis of France actually wrote a letter stating regretting the lewd and naughty evil behavior of the queen and actually warned him that the lightness of women cannot bend the honor of men. What pigs! While Jane was considered his favorite wife, a combination of the fire and passion of his marriage to Anne and the actors chemistry, truly made us believe in their love. They all loved him and paid the price… Catherine would have been happy with Arthur I think. He was said to have been pleased to look upon the face of his bride and wrote to her parents that he would be a devoted and loving husband. He died from sweating sickness. Since Catherine’s dowry wasn’t paid by her father her situation as a 16 year old widow was confirmed. Henry VII considered marrying her when Elizabeth of York died in childbirth. He married Elizabeth to unite House York and House Lancaster after the war of the roses, which ended with Richard III. It was also to weaken house York. Fun fact Henry VII was a serious mama’s boy with Margaret Beaufort. Unlike his good for nothing second son, he was reportedly faithful and loving towards his wife despite the circumstances of which they married and had no mistresses by historical accounts.Then when Isabella I of Castille died it made Catherine’s value lower as a potential wife. As Castille was inherited by Joanna the Mad her sister and Aragon was smaller and not as wealthy. And since her dowry wasn’t paid she lived practically as a prisoner in a remote estate. She was mistreated and cast aside when he died. But if he lived she wouldn’t have been cursed with Henry, maybe Arthur would have been a much better husband. Poor Catalina. Jane should have lived so she could perhaps glue the family together with Mary and Elizabeth being loved. She did want to reconcile him with his daughters. Anne should have been proclaimed innocent and should have been there to raise her daughter maybe as simply the Marquess of Pembroke and watch her form a legacy. She did get the last laugh. “My Elizabeth shall be queen, and my blood has been well spent!”
@Italok 657 Thank you! I’m a HUGE geek for Tudor England. It’s one of the most complex parts of European History for we know so little yet so much. Most of all Hollywood’s many interpretations. These few scenes truly speak volumes on the general history. Henry VIII truly is one of the most notorious monarchs of England. He changed so much of the country that it influenced today. Divorce of royalty, Church of England which eventually became Anglican Christianity. Leaving the Vatican, I mean the pope and Vatican was so corrupt then. The pope pulled the strings and controlled many countries and their monarchies. Look at the Crusades! Breaking away from him was unheard of! He was practically the Dictator of Western Europe. I’ve always loved analyzing his character especially Hollywood’s portrayals. Who’s your favorite Queen? Mine is Catherine of Aragon because Hollywood does her so dirty. Portrays her as a old saggy woman obsessed with Catholics. She was a devoted mother and a beautiful woman in her youth that faced many tragedies. A daughter of the fierce Isabella of Castille who with a Ferdinand of Aragon united Spain. Anne Boleyn though is probably Hollywood’s favorite to portray because of the little knowledge of her leaves so much to interpret. Manipulative and Ambitious or Proud Witty who did Love Henry. Especially Elizabeth who was her final vengeance. Her story definitely deserves fame. My only favorite thing that tops Tudor England is the analysis of why in history and still today women were considered weaker and lesser than men? I mean what truly started it all? Side note: maybe in heaven all the wives started an I Hate Henry VIII club.
@@via-anghelmagahum2586 I am obsessed with the Tudor period. I think it's a fascinating period in History. As much as I want to respect and see through Henry's tyranny I'm unable to forgive him. It is a fact that women were placed lower than man since ancient times, It break my heart to know that, I really wish things would've gone otherwise. But I shall thank Henry for the changes he provided in England. This we shall thank him for. My favorite wife is Anne boleyn. Since when I was a young kid I've been obsessed with Anne's portrayals which I think is really weird when you're a 12 years old Brazilian boy... but it is a fact that her story and legacy has made her the legend we know today. Unlike Katherine she faced death in the most brave and profound way, I don't think she had any regrets before having her head cut off. Well, I wish I had enough words to describe how much Anne inspired me as a young kid and teenager, but my English is still a work in Progress, I've got to thank the Tudor Dinasty as a whole for inspiring me and giving me authenticity and autonomy to accomplish many wonders. Thank you🤗
I know Katheryn Howard was just trying to avoid the block but remember when they questioned her and they said if she admitted all her faults she'd be given mercy? Maybe if she would have admitted that and agreed to a divorce, she could have married Thomas Culpeper. Or maybe Henry would have killed them both anyhow? I don't know but K Howard and T Culpeper should have been together...i think they really did love each other and it was such a shame that a wonderful girl like Katheryn was stuck in a situation where her youth and beauty would have been completely wasted on the king.... I hope Thomas and Katheryn are together and very happy
@@italok6577 I don’t think it’s weird at all to be so interested in Anne Boleyn and her portrayals. Anne was soo strong facing her execution. Henry VIII did many changes in England that have shaped the world we know today. Like him many historical figures have good and evil deeds that influence history for better or worse. It’s up to us to see which outweighs the other. Take Andrew Jackson, Christopher Columbus, Isabella of Castille, Frederick of Prussia… Do we love them for the changes they made and their influence on history or does the evil things they did while alive outweigh that?
@@Michelle58546 I though it was a cool subtle hint of the fate of Henrys three children , so Catherine and Jane wearing veils as mourning for the lives of their children Edward (who died as a young teenager) and Mary (who was lonely and hated by many of her subjects when she died.) while Anne / Elizabeth wearing crowns to show Elizabeths rise to superpower like that smirk Anne gives Henry at the end as if to say "My daughter is going to surpass your shitty rule in every way possible." 💯
The only good thing Henry did was unite his children under his presence. He is to blame why Mary turned out to be such a tragic figure, why Elizabeth refused to marry, and Edward dying so young due to pressure.
Edward didn't die "due to pressure." He died of a lung infection, possibly tuberculosis. He was vomiting up variously colored stuff, his legs were swelling, had a persistent cough and fever, etc.
@@SymphonyBrahms Additionally, she feared putting herself in a man's care, especially after her assault in Katherine Parr's home as her ward. Henry failed them all.
Jane was Henry's "favorite", only because she gave him a son. If she had a girl or no children, he would have killed her just like Anne Boleyn. And if Jane managed to survive childbirth and outlived Edward, Henry would have blamed and killed her anyway. He was truly a horrible human being. On a note, the actress who played Jane Seymour was beautiful. The real Jane Seymour was a rather mousy-looking woman. If the portraits of her were accurate. Anne of Cleaves was actually pretty cute.
@@sharonjensen3016 That was Henry's fault because he ordered his doctors to prioritize his son over saving Jane's life. If she had lived, she could have given him another child and survive but he didn't care or think of that.
I’m not sure she would have been. Elizabeth of York married Henry’s father out of duty (and almost certainly not out of choice) and in doing so helped to secure peace in England after decades of civil wars over the crown. Henry’s determination to have sons was a consequence of the duty that was drilled into him from a young age that he had to secure the succession to prevent England falling back into another conflict over the crown. She would have understood that I think. What she probably would have been more ashamed of was the break with the Catholic Church.
@@joer3720 She would have been also been upset with the beheadings as they were most likely based on trumped up charges and she knew many things about falsely accused people being executed. She would have been also upset about the divorce with COA as she has viewed COA favorably.
@@KL-ki8db fair point, but I think she would still have understood Henry’s worry about the male heir issue. She probably would have pressed him to accept the Pope’s offer to legitimise any children he had with Anne when she was his mistress.
I find it incredibly interesting that of all of Henry’s children, only Elizabeth; the one he had practically forgotten about and mistreated, would live a full life and go down in history as one of the greatest queens in history.
I come back to this video every few weeks, it’s so chilling. I absolutely love how every queen tells him truths that he needs to accept/shocking pills to swallow. Catherine tells him that god is on her side, that she will always be his true wife, and that he doesn’t speak for god and his interpretations of the Bible were wrong (such a slap in the face considering Henry believed in the divine right of kings and was raised to go into the church before his brother’s death and was taught to be a expert in the Christian faith). Anne tells him that she was innocent, and that his judgement was wrong... forcing Henry to truly realize how poorly he treated her and abused the law. Jane tells him that his perfect son will die young and that it will all be his fault, making him come to terms with his poor parenting and obsession for a son. The world is unfair, children die, it doesn’t matter if the woman who gave birth to them was his “true wife”, it doesn’t matter if the child is a boy or girl, sickness will kill whoever it gets its hands on. These scenes make him confront his own wrongdoings and hypocrisy. His actions were not pious, nor lawful, nor for the good of his family, they were for himself and now he can’t hide from his selfish deeds. Thank you so much for posting lol
So do I after getting flashbacks of the ghosts of Prince Philip and Princess Diana entering my bedroom one year ago, I said “I’ll never forget you and always will keep going like you said”. One year on and that still traumatises me because it actually happened
In death, these women knew they could speak their minds because there was nothing Henry could do to them at that point. In the end, King Henry knows that he is utterly alone and that nobody will ever love him again.
Anne never neglected her child she was the first Queen to not have a wet nurse she breastfed when it was unheard of for a Queen to do so and she would spend aas much time with her child as humanly possible matter of fact most of the alleged incidents she is accused of infidelity she was with her child also she was never alone was she gonna screw men with people around knowing it would get back to Henry come now plus the incest nonsense and the evidence being someone saw her dancing with brother she even bought a tiny throne for little Elizabeth to sit beside her
I don't think that the screenwriters meant to say that Anne neglected Elizabeth. This show actually potrayied Anne boleyn's love and concern for her only daughter. What is suggested here through this line is that Anne was so much worried to conceive a male child that she lived her last years in fear and anger, without entirely enjoying the time spent with Elisabeth.
@@Riccardo89 That makes sense. I have to tell myself every day to enjoy my time with my current baby because they grow so fast. I wish I had that perspective with my first child. I would have treasured far more moments instead of focusing on worry.
I always wondered what Henry would’ve said after “Anne please don’t …!” She was always my favorite out of his wives Edit: oh wow, didn’t know this comment had so many likes after a year
Jane was his favorite, she was the only one who he looked at with love in his eyes, not lust....but he knew Anne was innocent and he did her wrong and felt guilt. He probably wanted to make very big apology for everything he did.
@@gentleheart7107 in this show he did not know Anne was innocent, watch their scene again. “I was innocent. I thought you knew?” Implying that no, he did not know. If you think he didn’t love Anne at one point after turning the whole country upside down and waiting years to be with her, I don’t know what to tell you. Jane was his “favorite” because she gave him a son, he would have tossed her aside as well if she hadn’t done that. The show even portrayed that when he told her to remember what happened to his last wife.
@@HeatherSommers in real life though, it wasn’t like that. He pretty much knew she was innocent. He just didn’t want her anymore because she couldn’t give him a son. Back then they didn’t realize it’s the man’s sperm that decides the gender of the baby.
@@ardenalexa94 I was talking about the show in this context, since this is a video about the show. As far as the real history, nobody can really say for sure what was going on in his head because we were not there. Heck, some historians don’t even believe that she’s innocent even though she probably was. It’s certainly possible that he knew she was innocent and just wanted to get rid of her because she didn’t have the son he wanted, but who knows? Possible that he actually believed the charges as well. I am super interested in this and have read a lot about the history and there’s not really a consensus on that either way until someone figures out how to hop into a time machine lol
I've often thought it was ever so ironic that Henry VIII went through six wives in his frantic quest to have a son when his daughter, Elizabeth, outshone almost every other English monarch that has ever lived. If only he could have known that...!
Unpopular opinion: Elizabeth and Mary were better off for their father's neglect of them. This brought out their best qualities instead of suppressing them (as Henry undoubtedly would have done). Mary was the picture of poise and grace, very much like her mother. She was as loved by her people as Katherine before her. Despite the hardships throughout her life, she conducted herself like a true queen. Not even Duke Philip or Henry himself could sway her from her convictions. Elizabeth, of course, would go on to be one of England's greatest monarchs. Given the mess she inherited from her father, the Golden Age she brought about is a near miracle. She's not like Henry and that's to her credit. It's so great that both her and England's longest reigning queen are named Elizabeth - it's like a true 'f you' to Henry. Every child needs love and validation from their parents. History will never forgive Henry for his treatment of women. But it was a good thing Mary and Elizabeth could prepare for their future in peace, instead of being mired in all the BS that went on in Henry's court. They proved him so wrong.
That is why Henry VIII had all of his children be rasied away from court. Henry VIII knew how brutal it was and is. Henry VIII was protecting his children by not seeing them or forcing them to be at court. He knew what he was doing. His children were allowed to group up away from all of it until they were needed.
@@AnnaBellaChannelWell at least he had good intentions for Edward, the majority of times he sent Mary and Elizabeth away from court was because they “displeased” him in some way and for Mary it was mainly because she wouldn’t back down from her mother’s marriage being legit.
Mary Tudor got the worst out of all his children. Watching her parents fight over the legitimacy of their marriage. Being force not to view her mother as just a lady. Henry stripping away her title making her view in a poor light and seen as poor marriage material. Watch her father marry over and over just to be treated very poorly by some of her step mothers, and having her father case her aside for his other wives children. Yet like a true Queen she still tried to pass on the Tudor name and bare a child. She die so tragic if it wasn’t for her father creating the Church of England ,I have a feeling she would of had left a different legacy behind not like her sister Elizabeth, but maybe one that didn’t make her look so cruel.
Jane affected him the most. He might have felt a bit of guilt for tossing away Catherine and executing Anne, but he clearly felt guilt over Jane's death....and Edward's sickly nature. It was always a debate which one he truly loved the most ....it probably was Jane. He definitely loved Anne at one point, but he was willing to kill her in order to have Jane. He is buried next to Jane.
I feel like, with Anne, it was mostly infatuation as well as the thrill of pursuing her since she seemed to be quite the opposite of Catherine of Aragon. He had been married to Catherine for a while and Anne was something new and exciting, not to mention that she was intelligent and well-spoken.
@@Erika-xm2mi If you really break it down Henry's court involved several families jockeying for position at court. The Howard/Boleyn faction against the Seymour faction. 6th Wife Catherine Parr was tied to the Seymours.
He nelglected both daughters .. who, in return, neglected their people . I would say he was abusive towards them both It cost him his family legacy.Mary may have otherwise had at least one living daughter and Elizabeth one living son . Both living in Germany and France but still a legacy.
That hit me because I remember saying that to Prince Philip last year when he left and then I begged Diana not to leave but they were gone when I looked again. I was truly devastated and I hope to see them again one day
Poor Katherine and Mary they suffer alot until the end because of what Henry VIII did, he broken from the Catholic Chuch to be with Anne Boylen, he forbid them from seeing each other, people thought Anne poison katherine, Mary suffer 2 false pregnancy, died from cancer like her mother and wasn't allow to go her mother funeral
There had never been a queen with the power of a king, so he wanted a son to be a powerful king. The irony was that Elizabeth was a very powerful queen.
@@SymphonyBrahms Actually there was. It was queen Matilda, but what Henry was afraid was of what had happened to her. Queen Matilda lost her throne after a civil war and feared that would also happen to Mary. It doesn’t excuse his actions by a long shot but he does have precedent as some evidence.
The unfortunate reality is that he couldn’t just be happy with what he had, because he was raised with the expectations of having sons to expand and continue the House of Tudor. His very existence of being born into this world of royalty already doomed him to never be able to just be happy with what he had. If he had been a commoner, I’m sure his life would have been happier, he probably wouldn’t have ever cared about having girls, he wouldn’t have been so desperate to have to have boys.
It would have been interesting if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never killed by Henry the 8 instead got an annulment from Henry the 8 and were sent away I wonder how their lives would have been like as the years progressed
Annes speech caught my heartstrings the most , she really loved Henry , Elizabeth was the most incredible of his children and its a shame Henry couldn’t see that. I hope when I’m a father I’ll never judge my children like Henry did.
When he thought it was Jane it should have been Catherine of Aragon around the corner. So he got his hopes up, she could crush them and remind him that she still never meant to despite her best efforts. And I wish K. Howard had showed up when Anne mentioned her. Like come up and put her hand on Elizabeths shoulder with tears in her eyes.
I love this programme and I love history but what it made me realise, Henry tried so hard to be remembered by winning wars, promoting men, and wanting a son but he is remembered for the women in his life!
This is my favourite part of The Tudors tbh. Having Katherine and Anne come back to say their piece, whether Henry liked it or not. It feels like a justice they should've had.
He impresses so much, his transformation into the aged king, not just physically, but in all ways. He embodies the older Henry. Hard to remember this is the same handsome young virile actor. Well done.
Yeh his son already had a repartition of being mean to ppl at a young age so he would’ve been a Henry 2.0 for sure which would’ve sent the country through more hell. As sad as it is he died young it probably saved a country going through another shitty leader and saved innocent lives.
Nope but in hell...obviously he is still.suffering... He committed the most horrible crimes...first washing his hands away from responsibility of his two, killing his two wives...
Loved this segment and seeing all of his wives come back and have their say. I know Catherine Howard was only a queen for a short time but would have loved seeing her come back and haunt him
Henry couldn't stand to be faced with the reality of his wrongdoings against the women who loved him especially Poor Catherine of Aragon not out of remorse for them but more for himself
Anyone else feel like Anna Von Kleve and Katherine Howard should have showed up in this last episode too? I would envision it this way. Anna would be visiting court and people commenting of her grace and beauty which reminds Henry of the way he has threw her under the bus and how quickly he rid of her for the excuse of “unattractiveness”. For Katherine Howard, although out of chronological sense. I would put her after Anne Boleyn and before Jane Seymour as Jane Seymour gives the ultimate sting of the Tudor dynasty ending. For Katherine, I would imagine the Haunted Gallery where Henry would hear her wailing for her life and turns around in a jump scare to her running towards him and through the hall as recorded. However, Henry tried to stop her and she momentarily stops but then mocks him for his callousness and hypocrisies of executing her a child, who was molested by her previous partners and blackmailed by Culpepper, for adultery and even changing the laws last minute to execute her and Lady Rochford unjustly, when Henry was essentially a whore himself. Then I imagine her finally saying that if he expects any of his children to truly love him now after the way they all witnessed her horrible end. Mary didn’t like her much but was disgusted by the injustice so much that she retroactively cleared Katherine and Lady Rochford because they have no trial during her reign. Edward remembered her kindly and was saddened but to a lesser degree as he was very young at the time. Elizabeth would be the most traumatized as she enjoyed Katherine as a friend and playmate only to watch her dragged away to her death. Katherine’s death and the other horrible treatments that Elizabeth witnessed and endured was what made her put off marriages her whole life.
Anne of Cleves outlived Henry by 10 years so she wouldn't make a ghostly appearance. The actress playing K. Howard was already filming another project and was not availab.e
@@terrib627 I never said Anna Von Kleve is making a ghostly appearance. Hence why I specifically said that she returns to court and all the other courtiers are gossiping about her newfound freedom and happiness.
@@maestroclassico5801 Read it again, I clearly said that Anna Von Kleve is visiting court. I swear that if I had a nickel every time for those who didn’t read carefully that I stated that Anna was still alive, I’d have two nickels but it is getting a tad bit irritating for it happened the second time in a row.
When something entered my bedroom, it scared me until I realised it was the ghost of Prince Philip and Diana. I told Philip and Diana that I’d never forget them and I know how emotional they were as I said that. I was left traumatised that I was comforted by Woody
@@nicolelawless3199 Alright stop with your games. You are literally in multiple reply sections claiming that you are meeting famous people through hallucinations? 😂 Its actually cringe reading your comments.
How does it feel, King Hal, for you to be best remembered as the man who had six wives (executing two), ordered the destructive dissolution of the monasteries, and emotionally crippled his children?
Henry VII had more reason to lock his second son away then Henry VIII had to Edward. Henry VII was trying to protect his children from the aftermath of the Wars of the Roses, especially because their claim to the throne was so weak due to him being a maternal Plantagenet rather than a parental (both of the Yorkist and Lancastraian families were descendent from the Royal Plantagenet Line, which ended with Richard II). So many were willing to kill Henry VII and his children simply because of that. Henry VIII can make no such claim. It was simple "luck" that he became king at all: Henry VII had to fight for his right. He may not have been the best king or father, but he did what he had to do to survive a world that wanted him gone. The son truly didn't become the father and his three children (possibly more) paid the price.
It is written the royals butchered each other so badly that after the war of roses was over, Katherine of Aragon was more related to the Plantagenet line than Tudors and she had a stronger claim on England's throne. So ironic.
So manyRoyal cousins paid the price. The poor Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury and her brother Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick paid a terrible price.
I'm so glad they had all 3 mothers standing with their children & Jane said he kept Edward locked up But he did the same to Mary & Elizabeth in a different way.
I see no one praising Catherine of aragon he married her out of love, like legit was in love with her and married her after they said he shouldn't because shes his brothers widow. And he casted her aside for having fertility issues that were all his fathers and grandmothers fault. If she was treated better between the death of author and being married to Henry im sure they would have had sons but due to living in such terrible environments she had issues. And honestly doubt she slept with Arthur she was a very proud catholic woman and she stuck her ground about being a virgin in Henry's bed until her death. I wish she got more love in media instead of being seen as the old cranky wife of Henry.
IMO, Catherine of Aragon was King Henry's most beautiful wife, inside and out. Unlike the others, except Parr, she did care for the poor and made efforts to provide relief to them. Parr admired CoA greatly and strived to be like her.
Woww, I'm late, and I know, but thank you so much for saying that! I was literally scrolling through the comments hoping someone would praise Catherine and here you are:). I have so much respect for Catherine and feel so sorry for her; after everything Henry had done to her/said to her, she still stayed an obedient and loving wife. She was by far my 'favorite' wife of Henry.
Irony has a twisted, comical sense of humor. For all the machinations this man pulled for a male heir, his daughters sat on the throne and one became the greatest monarchs of England! Add to that the fact that once Elizabeth I passed away, it was a daughter's bloodline (Margaret Tudor) that kept the monarchy alive.
The funny thing is that Henry was estranged from his sister ever since he hypocritically told her to not divorce her husband. Well looks what comes around I guess.
@@KL-ki8dbto be entirely fair, Henry never divorced anyone. His marriages were annulled, a very different and totally legally and religiously distinct thing at the time.
@@emilybarclay8831 Well only annulled by his own made church, there was no way he could have gotten an annulment for his first and fourth marriage as even he knew the reasons for ending them were totally nonsensical. During his time and even now we know that if he didn’t use a loophole, it would have been a divorce and not an annulment he granted himself impulsively.
I like how the only ghost that visit him are the ghosts of the wives he had children with. When it was catherine of aragon turn and he said "go away Catherine" I got very mad because I was like "that's the problem, you always wanted her to go away.
It's incredible as well how much its clear that Henry has aged compared to all of his young, beautiful wives. A very unhappy and ill man reminded of what he caused to those poor women he had killed
Wow this scene gave me goosebumps just now. I think that this scene is one of the most powerful scene in tv show history. Henry the 8th, was a ruthless ruler of England and had a heart of stone for his wives and children.
This comment: "...and had a *heart of stone* for his wives and children." The theatre kid inside me: "YOU CAN TRY BUT I'M UNBREAKABLE! YOU WANNA DO YOUR BEST BUT I'LL STAND THE TEST! YOU'LL FIND THAT I'VE GOT A HEART OF STO-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-OOOONE!"
"Be careful with that one, love, he'll do what it takes to survive." That is a rule that the six queens should have followed even before that line was uttered all those years later.
True, and by all those years later, you mean at the 1700s, right? In a completely different nation that happened to be colonized by Great Britain before the world turned upside down and it finally found freedom.
Deep down Henry knew Anne wasn’t guilty of anything. If He only knew that after all the drama and wives it would be his child with Anne who would go on to be ruler of England he could of just stayed with Anne and saved himself heartache and trouble
I would say it was because she was his equal. COA showered him with love that he didn’t reciprocate truly. He loved Jane only for her son and she knows of his violent and cruel behavior if she messed up for the tiniest reasons.
Just an observation but I find it interesting that Anne was the only one Henri almost asked not to leave, like there was actual regret that he didn't have faith in her
