Quest 2 Upgrade to Quest 3? PSVR2 or Quest 3? Pico 4 or Quest 3? Your Questions Answered! 

Karl, I appreciate your content. I'd very much like it if you did more demonstrating while explaining though. We rarely get to see you in the rig, or using any of the tech you relay your feedback and advice on. I do recall once upon a time you used to demo the gear more than you do now. Fot me personally, especially when talking about new tech, I like to see visual examples as well as explanations. Understandably, VR is hard to capture this, as it's all recorded in one eye, but still better than nothing. Just saying, and I may be in the minority, but if you're telling us a headset is good for sim racing as an example, it would be helpful to see it running, with performance stats etc. Thanks, Ryan.

I went from Q2 to Q3 for simracing. The biggest difference that i noticed why Q3 is much better is better edge to edge clarity/sweetspot of pancake lenses, lens do not fog up like in Q2, my forehead isn't sweating anymore. I could hardly race on Q2 for 20min because all those issues, on Q3 i can race for 1 hour without problem. Q3 is amazing.

Karl Gosling i simple love you dude. I started my VR journey like 3 years back and i remember the 1rst time i saw your videos. You rly helped me with everything. Keep up!!!!

if you sideload qgo quest game optimizer you can take advantage of the performance upgrades on standalone quest games.

I had almost every highend pc vr headset(star vr one,varjo vr 3,pimax 8kx,pimax crystal) The pimax crystal has the clearest picture but with alot off shortcomings for me. I hated the warping on the sides off the lenses and the blooming in dark scenes.. It took me out off the immersion and those batteries needed when wired.. I sold it.. Now i have the quest 3 also and for the price its a no brainer... And the wireless is am azing on a good highend pc setup with wifi 6e.. The clarity is amazing with some slight screendoor.. Also nice colors and brightness.. So you have great wireless,fun mix reality(wish the passthrough was better tho) and standalone gaming.. And the lenses are the best i have seen..This is a nice one too have till we get something better(maybe a new valve,and hopefully micro oled with a nice field off view)

Once you do get setup with the new router Karl it might be good to see you test this/setup your dedicated router. Good content.

Thanks for addressing my question (Pico4 latency vs the Quest 3). Just to say, you were right, I checked, and I am now using a higher resolution picture which accounts for the extra latency. I'll live with it, as AV1 encoding looks great.👍

After using the Quest 2 mainly for Standalone and the Pico 4 for PCVR for a year, i replaced both of them with the Quest 3. But especially for Standalone i would strongly recommend the Quest 3 due to it's much better performance. Some of my favourite games already benefit of the higher performance. I can play First Person Tennis VR in 120Hz at the highest resolution (x1.6 resolution scale, which is insanely sharp). Also i recently discovered Grid Legends, which got really bad reviews for the Quest 2, but now runs at 125% resolution scale at 90Hz on the Quest 3. Of course this is no comparison to a PCVR Sim Racing game, but it's a ton of fun for casual racing and the graphics are really decent now, especially for a standalone device.

I guess the comments asking about the Big Screen were asking in terms of PCVR use. E.g. if you were buying a new headset just for PCVR, what are the pros and cons of BS Beyond, versus Quest 3, versus G2 etc. Of course, most of your viewers will know the main differences by now. But it would be nice to hear what you think of the BSB's clarity v Q3 in PCVR. Talking of Q3 in PCVR mode, how long does the battery last? It's an issue for long sim racing and flying sessions.

great video but I think you are mistaken about Quest 3 vs Pico 4. They are both 4k per eye but the total pixel count of the Pico 4 is slightly higher than Q3.

Tip, if anyone is getting bad frame rates over wireless. Use a cat 6 eathernet cable direct from router/modem to PC. 5G minimum.

Have you noticed and jagged edges in the quest 3? People are saying it’s because of the way they tilted the lenses. The picture looks great just some slight jaggies alone straight lines

On quest 2, wired was such better quality than wireless however, I only noticed it on very detailed graphically intense games like cyberpunk(using vorpx or depth3d). I think it's because the image is compressed more losing more quality. Probably using lossy compression. I was using 5 ghz speed. The image looked muddy but interesting the muddy effect was in the same places in the 3d world. As if the same textures were always compressed the same. Probably need to compare to a wire that allows for higher speed than wifi or else what you are saying is true. The difference in quality was night and day.

after messing around with mine for a few days I have to say I am loving the mixed reality aspect of it. I don't have a lot of space and playing the thrill of the fight in AR is a god send. no longer do I have to worry about punching walls.

I don’t think the question about PSVR2 vs Q3 is from people who don’t know how it works. This is my situation: I own a PS5 and I don’t own a good PC. Should I pay $500 for the headset for my PS5, get OLED screen but worse lenses, get better performance but less games, or I should opt out for Quest 3 and get better lenses, untethered experience, but slightly worse graphics. There are exclusive games on both platforms but also a lot of cross platform games. And why I understand pros and cons for both options, I keep thinking if I need to buy one or another

Thanks for the video. You said the Quest 3 has a higher resolution than the Pico 4.The Pico 4 is 2160 x 2160 per eye, but according to the specs I have seen, the Quest 3 is 2064 x 2208. Seems like the Pico 4 wins there, albeit very slightly. Maybe I am misunderstanding something here? The wider FOV and better visuals is appealing. I own a Pico 4, and a Crystal. But the Quest 3 is tempting...

What can not be understated is how much better the Q3 performs over the G2 and WMR. It's not even close (G2, Q3 and Q2 owner)

Something I'm not finding that would be nice: A "through the lens" comparison of Pico 4 and Quest 3 displays. Video idea, I can't be the only one who is curious.

Interesting...just goes to show how individual VR is. Personally I can only get 104 degrees FOV on the Q3 but I do get 112 degrees on the Crystal with the wide FOV lenses and 102 with the normal 35ppd lenses....and I agree with most people out there the Index controllers are the gold standard for VR controllers which obviously you don't like them. VR is so subjective and individual :) it's a real mixed bag and different experiences for different people. Keep up the good work though :)

My PSVR2 experience has been pretty enjoyable so far. I'd give it a solid 4 🌟. Red Matter 2 is the absolute sharpest VR experience I've seen on the PS5 so far. This is the first game I finished on the VR2. GT7 is my #1 VR game by far. I'm a daily driver, and I love it. The sweet spot is like the clitorus. It's illusive, but once you find it, it's game on! My GT7 + PSVR2 + NLR GT Lite Pro experience has been amazing. I'm 100% IN the cockpit IN Japan or Italy. I'm nowhere near my livingroom. GT7 in VR2 is like being with a beautiful woman. GT7 without VR2 is like a dry handjob. Pavlov is amazingly scary to play. Situational awareness is a must. Violence of action is required. It definitely satisfies my (retired) military mindset. Play to win! No Man's Sky is also beautiful in VR. This came isn't for casual gaming. It's a series time investment. But the experience is literally up to you. All other PSVR2 games seem like demos and gimmicks.

Cant wait for your router test, im in the same situation now

Thanks for the video call I know the answers to these questions but I like hearing your point of view. We know you're going to tell the truth. The quest 3 is a great headset for the money I did not like the quest to at all I'm a sim racer It works perfect video viewing or works perfect. If you have the money and base stations I would also get the big screen beyond if you like PCVR I know I am

To the person that his Quest 3 is unusable wirelessly, I am almost certain the reason is that something is overriding your encoding bitrate. I had the same problem where with wire everything is fine but on air link it is like a PowerPoint slide show. Turns out if you increase the bitrate in the Debug Tool or Oculus Tray Tool, it could override it on air link as well. If you go over 200, it becomes unusable.

The downsides of standalone headsets (and PSVR2 for that matter) is the extent to which they lock you into their ecosystem via your library. They really are consoles in that sense. Quest 3 has a larger library of course, but I imagine if someone had an extensive Pico library that might be reason to wait for the 5 rather than jump to the Quest 3. Of course Steam is the most open platform, so if you mostly use PCVR via Steam (on Pico, Quest or any PCVR headset) it's much less of an issue. One of the reasons I buy almost everything on Steam, although mixed reality might change that if it's only available standalone (Standalone is why I bought Demeo on Quest instead of Steam despite it being slightly more expensive. Although it's crossbuy, so I can play it on Oculus PCVR anyway).

it's just me.....or why people keeps advertising the Q3 for PCVR when it's obvious you need "also" an RTX4090 (....1800€ maybe?) for the "bitrate of God" streaming?? (and not to mention all the involved technical setup of VD, WiFi GHz, latency trade-off, etcetcetc....) I tried the P3Link and i think i've found a good trade-off for PCVR with DP wiring, even with the SteamVR hassle.....but still i wish i had the straightforward connection of my old HP WMR 1st gen

Karl, you are the only one who can make me more excited for the Quest 3 again... I have the Q2 and Pico4 and use mainly the Pico4 for PCVR... it is not really a question wether to buy it or not (my Q2 has some problems). I have to wait until it is available in Malaysia, because that's where I'm gonna buy it (about 200$ cheaper than where I live (Thailand)...

I will be getting gigabyte internet installed in a couple of weeks. it comes with a wifi 6 router. can't wait to try it out.

As usual, your videos are great, Karl. However, I would have to disagree on something. Wired Link doesn't only improve latency. It also boosts the bitrate and that makes a huge difference. We know now that you can increase the bit rate to up to 940 on the debug tool. However, the software doesn't allow you to type it in. You have to copy-paste it in the debug tool. It makes sim racing and flight sims much much better with considerably less compression.

Im personally using the Orbi 3 pack 960 series Mesh Network Router and Repeaters and it works amazingly best descision i ever made for a purchase but extremely expensive but in my opinion veryh well worth it.

you should try Half Life Alyx on the Quest 3, very similar to what it looked like on the G2, vibrant colors, but with a bigger fov, without the blurry screen resolution that is on the G2 and without the buggy Windows Mixed Reality software of course

Hi Karl, I love what you do, But I'm a bit confused about how you said that if you had a Quest 2 ,And you just want a standalone experience, Then probably not worth upgrading to Quest 3 yet. I get that point, But you said the Pico 4 was better than Quest 2,Yet you said you recommend getting a Quest 3 over Pico 4 , How can that be, When you said the Pico 4 is better than Quest 2, Both standalone headsets, Yet you don't recommend upgrading from Quest 2, Yet you do Pico 4. Why not upgrade with Quest 2, When you recommend upgrading with Pico 4, point being,PmYou said Pico 4 is better than Quest 2.??

Okay MQ3 on my end of the year wishlist, check !

As someone who is a ps5 and pc gamer, this is the struggle I’m dealing with right now. Either one basically locks me out of the other. Maybe someone will get the psvr2 running on pc on day 🙌

Sorry Karl, big fan, but there´s multiple times you say that the quest 3 has a higher Resolution than the Pico 4. It´s the opposite. The Pico 4 has the higher resolution, which makes your answers to the questions regarding screen-door effect or pc vr latency of pico 4 vs quest 3 invalid.

By the way, I would like to see your results if you test these wifi 6e routers...

Thank you for being clear and to the point.

I just got a Quest 2 again because I’m Turkiye they go for outrageous prices 700$, 900$ etc.

Thanks for this Karl, very informative. I have a Quest 2 gathering dust in a draw after buying a Pico 4 about 8 months ago. I also bought a MSI RTX Nvidia 4070 gpu . I don't play stand alone games just pcvr and the Pico 4 coupled with the new gpu and VD , it works pretty well. Always looking for that extra vr clarity I've researched buying a Quest 3 , seems to be differing opinions where the Pico 4 is concerned, some say the Quest 3 is no better and some say it would be a small improvement over the Pico 4. I'm still torn as £479 for the Quest 3 is a sizeable chunk of dosh, then I will want to change the headstrap, another £100 plus !! Then a charging dock for another £129. All very nice but is the improvement nearly £700 worth ??

Another great review, thanks for sharing with us.

TP-Link Archer AXE75 5400 is the router they advise in the VD discord for WIFI6E with the Quest 3

The color passthrough alone had me laughing at the thought of going back to my quest 2. And the games that take advantage plus some of them that already looked good on quest 2, 100% look better on quest 3. I cant see why, if you're interested in vr and wont something new, you wouldn't get the quest 3. It really has been night and day.

When you do your review of the 6E routers I'd recommend trying out the tenda routers. the price is fairly inexpensive and the Performance has been pretty damn good. I'm curious to see how it Stacks up to other 6e routers. Cheers

Thank you, I'll stay with Pico 4 and wait for Pico 5.

Quite a few more games that take advantage of the quest 3 than 1. The Team Beef mods come to mind. Especially Doom 3

Really informative thanks for taking the time to answer those questions. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a quest 3 as my rift S cable broke about a year ago. I miss sim racing in VR so much 😢

@Karl Gosling you do get better quality using cable over wireless as you can push bitrate much much higher.

Appreciate the good answers for typical questions - well done ✌️☀️🤩🇩🇰🤗

what about the binocular overlap on quest 3

Quest 3 vs PSVR.. I can still see the question as being reasonable if you has a PS and a PC and you only want to buy one headset and want to know which one is better. Not that I have a PS but just saying.

Hey Karl can I request a video from you with your settings in WRC once you get it up and runnning? I think I am getting close to a great settings setup, but usually yours are spot on.

Hi, Karl. I love your videos. Today I have a Rift S and I looking for a upgrade. 100% of VR time in simracing (iRacing and ACC). Pico 4 (300 Euros) ou Quest 3 (549 Euros)? What do you think?

Some reviewers complained about bad binocular overlap (not enough). How's this been to you?

I can get a rift s for £99. Would be used exclusively for sim racing. Do you think it is worth it or just get the quest 3 and enjoy the wireless vr? I also have psvr and ps4 but rarely ever use it tbh.. Also i have an ultrawide monitor for majority of my sim racing as i do endurance mostly. The VR would be for rally or the odd pick up race here and there.

Thank you

disappointing answer to the quest 3 vs bigscreen beyond question. obviously they aren't the same and have different uses cases but they both can be used for steamvr and it would have been interesting to know how they compare in that regard.

I know you brefily skimmed over the sim racing aspect in the previous video was just wondering if you had actually had the chance to play on a sim whilst using the quest and did you still get the motion sickness etc. Cheers ian 👍🏻

With a rtx 3060 ti in my rig for sim racing would you go quest 3 upgrade or keep the quest 2 and update the card witch would look better q2 with more power or q3 with the 3060 ti

Bit of a silly question but i have a quest 1 since release, im assuming they jump would be massive for Sim racing? I use a 2070S for iracing in VR... its always been a step done in fidelity/frame rate but the immersion is what i was after.

I upgraded from Pico 4 to Quest 3, and I'm glad I did. It just feels more polished. And the kids love easy access to games, not having to use Virtual Desktop. They don't care about graphics. They wanna play Gorilla Tag (not in the Pico library btw). One thing I'll say is that the included headstrap sucks. But I can feel that with a better headstrap it'd be much more comfortable than a Pico 4. Can't wait for my BoboVR M3 headstrap to come in the mail. After that I see no real reason to upgrade my VR headset again until they make something like Apple's new VR headset for consumers, with games and controllers. I love the idea of the processing-parts and battery separate from the lenses and screens, being able to place the weight wherever on my body I want it. I've been hoping Meta would do this for years, but still they insist on planting it to our faces. I don't know or get why. Honestly sometimes the thought of having a battery taped in front of my eyes, or my kids' eyes, only being shielded by a thin layer of razor sharp lens-glass, isn't always the most comforting thought. Just let us place the battery wherever we want. Drop the internal battery and include a 2-3ft USB-C cable for playing with the battery placed in a pocket/on your body or in a backpack or whatever, a 6ft USB-C cable for playing seated in front of your PC, a battery and a wall-charger.. I'll pay extra for you to do less work. You know what. You don't even need to include the 2-3ft cable or wallcharger. I'll use one from one of my old phones. Hell, drop the 6ft cable as well, people who wanna play on PC wired can buy that extra. You know what. Just release a headset and a battery. We'll figure out the rest.

Ok, so considering that the psvr2 is going to work on pc sometime this year early next year, which one would you get for sim racing?

does any one else have a yellowish tint on PCVR? i found some stuff online but want to know here. also if Karl also experienced that

Karl - I wonder if you could help me with a dilemma please. I got a Quest 2 on discount for £200 (net of a £50 gift card) and a Pico 4 on discount for £259 with 3 games. Which one would you recommend keeping or would you return both and add an extra £200-£279 for the Quest 3? I’m new to VR (I have an oculus go which I thought had v disappointing visuals even when new), don’t own any games and see myself as mostly concerned about visual quality to view 3d or 360 degree video content. Appreciate the Quest 3 is the newest and probably the best - but do you think it is worth the extra amount beyond what I paid for the 2 headsets I purchased. Many thanks.

Thank You very much for this Video. When you talked about the comparison of different Headsets like the PICO 4 and Quest 3, you made the assumption that the User or many Users are playing with a high end gpu like a 4090. Looking at the cost of this gpu i assume that only a very smart fraction of pc Users have this gpu and Most of them are in the Range of a 3070 or Even lower. This will bring me to the question. What Are the differences in Performance of the compared Headsets when you Look from a more Common pc User with no high end gpu. Will this Person See any differences at all?

To get the best of vr, you need to run a 4090. I’ll see myself out 🤥

Hey Karl Do you know of a decent test scenario to test different bit rates for Link and Airlink? A scene in a game where you can easily see compression? Or where compression stands out?

Karl, I am new to Virtual Desktop and the Quest 3. I am curious how you get such a low latency. VD reports me at around 43 - 50 ms. I am using a 6e router that only has my PC, the quest 3, and the iPhone on the 6e band. On 5 it is thee same. Do you think it is up to the router? I am using AV1 at 200. Were you talking about the Network only latency reported in VR or the total?

How does the Quest 3 compare to the Valve Index?

Hi is the Q3 suitable for ppl who wear glasses?

Hi, does it have an SD slot for a memory card. If not do you recommend the 512 gb version?

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LOL YOU MUST have an awful example of the Crystal...I have had 2 Crystals and they BLOW AWAY the Quest 3 it's not even close!!!!! Sorry your Crystal experience has been so bad but it's NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!! The Crystal WIPES the floor with the Quest 3. I own both and don't care which is better I am not fan boy in ANY way but saying the Quest 3 is clearer is ABSURED! I get you are being honest about your experience but it's not even close....the Varjo Aero also blows the Quest 3 out of the water! Love my Quest 3 but don't believe for a second it can compete with the Aero or the Crystal!!!! That is the MOST ridiculous statement I have ever heard! The Crystal is literally DOUBLE the pixels of the Q3 and the lenses are just as good..at least on the 2 Crystals I have owned. ANYONE looking for the best PCVR the Aero or Crystal are the only games in town.....Love my Quest 3 but lets be honest it's a budget mass market product and that is fine it's AWESOME! But don't be confused....it's no Aero or Crystal! Check out VR Flight Sim Guys channel...he loves the Quest 3 as I do....but he'll reiterate it's no Crystal! And to be honest I hate Pimax...tired of being a beta tester for them but when it works the Crystal is hands down the clearest most high resolution VR headset you can buy today.

I’ve got all four headsets 🤷🏻‍♂️

Nice one Karl.

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Smh. No the text is not "perfectly crisp and sharp" for desktop working. Still too much text flickering even on VD godmode. Why are people talking about the resolution? It's 95% the same as the Q2 for christ sake. The difference is trivial. Half Life Alyx is practically identical. So comparing this to the Bigscreen Beyond is not right? Of course it is. Anyone asking that isn't asking about price they're asking about screen quality, comfort and controls; the same for PSVR. So far, personally I have the Q3 sitting uncomfortable next to the Q2 which isn't that different. Yes the lenses are nice and clear but that's it frankly. I miss the rings on the controllers that make them easy to handle. Luckiy I have money to burn and will give the Q2 to a family but I strongly recommend if people have money to burn go for the Bigscreen if you don't mind tethered and some godrays.

You're not related to THE Ryan Gosling, are you?!

Thank you