Quickest Stove Battle - Japanese VS American - SOTO Windmaster Vs MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe

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In this episode of TOGR, Luke is comparing what many believe to be the Best of the Best when it comes to backpacking stoves.
In one corner, we have the SOTO Windmaster and in the other, we have the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe.
Which stove is lighter, which one is faster and which features a better design?
Find out in this head to head battle.
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Versus - Soto Windmaster vs MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe
--- Soto Windmaster ----
Agenda Free Link : www.amazon.com/SOTO-WindMaste...
Price : $65
Weight with 4flex supports : 3.1oz
BTUS : 11000
Includes Ignitor -
Burn Time : Approx 1.5 hours with an 250g gas canister
Dimensions :4” Tall, 5.7” wide
Windscreen :
Designed for wind resistance; concave burner head sits close to your pot or cup.
Regulator : Pressure regulator maintains stove's fast boil times even in cold weather & with low fuel. - While I haven’t tested this stove in conditions below 40F so far, I have used it with a canister that is low on fuel and it performs better than the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe.
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--- MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe ----
Agenda Free Deluxe : www.msrgear.com/stoves/canist...
Price : $70
Weight : 2.9oz
BTUS : 10,400
Includes Ignitor -
Burn Time : Burn time (MSR IsoPro) per 227-g - 60 minutes
Dimensions : 3.5” tall - 3.75” wide
Windscreen : Improves wind resistance and combines with simmer control for excellent cooking versatility; wind-blocking burner lip.
Regulator : Pressure regulator maintains stove's fast boil times even in cold weather & with low fuel. Susie and I have used this stove around the country in a wide variety of conditions; hot, freezing cold, high elevation, low elevation and so on; the regulator works well but in all situations with the exception of low fuel canisters - we’ve had rather poor performance with a canister that is getting close to being empty.
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Results :
Boil Time of 500ml of Water :
Thoughts on Size : While the Soto is slightly larger and heavier I feel that the weight and size is justified in that it offers a more stable platform to cook/heat.
Regulator Thoughts :
Ignitor Thoughts : While no Ignitor is perfect I have had more issues with the MSR Ignitor than the Soto, in fact, I have been in situations where I simply could not get the MSR to ignite. I’ve never had the Soto not fire up.
Cook : Both stoves in general are awesome for boiling water for meals and for cooking. You can easily adjust both, you can simmer, you can do what you want.
Adjuster : I have never liked the MSR adjuster; it is very loose and when I first received this stove after buying it, I thought that it may be broken as it was so loose. A friend of mine has the stove too and his is just as loose. The Soto adjuster in my opinion is better as there is a bit more resistance to it while not being too stiff.
Size and Weight : There is virtually no difference with these two stoves - the Soto offers wider pot supports which makes for a slightly more stable cooking experience if you are using large pots/pans.
Overall Run Times : While I haven’t thoroughly tested this aspect, overall run times are going to be within the same ballpark based on the BTU rating of each stove and the information which both companies have stated. For 99% of users, they won’t notice a difference in burn times. For those who analyze every single detail, they might.
Which Stove Would I Choose?
I like both stoves but after spending a substantial amount of time with each, I like the Soto better. Again i haven’t tested this stove in cold conditions so I will be updating my review and may even do a cold weather vs episode.
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@gearlist 2 года назад

Ah, been waiting for this one. Awesome review Luke!

@jcnikoley 2 года назад

I ordered that Soto yesterday. Glad to see I picked a winner, but I don’t think you could go wrong with either one.

@treblepet 2 года назад

Had my SOTO for about 15 years now. Above the bush line, winter, low canisters, it's a beast. 73 g, even though it's "old". My favorite bit of kit

@SaTuHsFy714 Год назад

which.?

@CraterBeSilly 2 года назад

I only have MSR Deluxe and love it. It has always ignited with no problem. I heard early versions of Deluxe units had igniter problems, but it was corrected. Soto has really great customer support with a no questions asked return policy (I had problems with my Soto Pocket Torch XT extended and they replaced it after 3 months.) I think both stoves are market leaders. Thanks for doing a fine job comparing them.

@damienmidanik9680 2 года назад

I am a Huge fan of MSR stoves. I chose the Windmaster over the Pocket Rocket Deluxe though. I watched several different reviews trying to convince myself the MSR was better simply because I love MSR stoves. I couldn’t find a single review where the MSR came out on top over the Windmaster though. Ultimately I decided to give the Windmaster a try. I’m glad I did. It is an excellent little stove. It is a lot quieter than other stoves I have used as well.

@BatmanShampoo 2 года назад

I bought the Soto Windmaster a few weeks ago but haven't really had the chance to use it. I've done one boil and was very pleased with the heat output and low boil time. Glad to see it faired well in this test!

@damnyankeed.3750 2 года назад

I've had my original pocket rocket for like 25 years. Still works perfectly.

@strongbear9304 2 года назад

I have both stoves, having purchased my MSR first. Situation arrived in which I had to purchase a new stove (my kids “borrowed “ my MSR for a trip). Purchased the SOTO Windmaster and absolutely fell in love with it! Now all I carry is the SOTO Windmaster or the SOTO Amicus stove. Both are excellent stoves and an essential part of my field kit and Fieldcraft Survival gear.

@trikelife4960 2 года назад

Thanks for the great review Luke, very to the point but still thorough. I own both these stoves and found the niche for both in my kits. I originally bought the PRD but the smaller pot supports didn't work well with my favorite pot, the Primus ETA 1L with heat exchanger. Later I bought the WM for it's wider supports and they're an excellent match. The PRD goes awesome with my GSI Minimalist 2 pot/mug. Both stoves work incredibly well with narrow pots and cups due to the reduced flame velocity/volume so you get very little flame wasting up the side of a narrow pot. But the PRD is better suited to those both due to the smaller pot supports and also it's smaller packed size. The WM is noticeably bigger when packed and fits better in larger pots. I haven't ran a canister empty with the PRD but I did with the WM and it definitely maintains performance right till the very end. The PRD still outperforms non regulated stoves with ease. The ignitors on both have been great for me. The WM is incredibly solid with no play at all. It's very stable when stirring food or flipping things in a frying pan. The PRD insn't bad but not as good. Both simmer very well. So in a nutshell, my own opinion of both is that they're excellent and the best canister stoves on the market when you want performance first. The deciding factor is your intended pot size. Small and narrow = PRD. Large and wide = WM.

@d.Cog420 Год назад

this is an incredibly useful comment for me, thank you 👍🏼

@PedroDeLlama 12 дней назад

Thanks for sharing that. I have a question if you don’t mind. I don’t quite understand. It looks as though the shape and size of the burner head is the same. Why do you say the difference is pot size?

@trikelife4960 12 дней назад

@PedroDeLlama the pot support size is the determining factor for me. Both burners are efficient with a small diameter pot but only the PRD is small enough to nest inside one and still fit anything else. The flip side is the narrower pot supports on the PRD aren't terribly stable with bigger pots and especially a frying pan. The WM with the 4 way pot support however is very stable with larger cookware. It has a much larger diameter and the extra support. Paired with its larger packed size it just fits better with larger pots. Hope that makes sense. Also noticed this was 2 years ago. I still have both stoves but I use the PRD a lot more then the WM. It just fits great in my smaller pots.

@GrumpyGrunt 2 года назад

I watched sooooo many reviews of these two stoves a few years ago before I finally bought a Windmaster (under $50 on a Black Friday sale!). Nothing I've seen since has made me second guess my decision either. The interchangeable pot supports that remove completely were the deciding factor for me. Thanks for the review, Luke! You and Susie stay well.

@patina_turner6791 2 года назад

Your the man Grumpy 🤟

@sixfivearms8896 2 года назад

Good stuff. Thanks for keeping it both informative and to the point. Excellent review, actually.

@skippy6320 2 года назад

I have the SOTO and am very pleased. The larger, more stabile pot support was a deciding factor for me.

@keemo008 2 года назад

How does it handle support for a small pan ( to cook eggs/bacon and maybe a small steak :) ) on. Thanks in advance for the advice.

@skippy6320 2 года назад

@@keemo008 I'm sure it could handle a small fry pan but I would be more concerned about adding some sort of base for the gas can to add stability. My friends with jetboils have these plastic legs that attach to the bottom of the gas can. I'm pretty sure that's an accessory you can find separately.

@SteveSmith-67 2 года назад

I’ve got the Soto it’s everything I need and it’s never let me down, it uses only 10g of gas for my boil of approx 600ml of water enough for a meal and a drink it does this in less than 3 minutes, I can’t comment on the MSR never used one. Soto for me gets a 9.9/10 (nothing’s perfect).

@charles3688 2 года назад

Thanks! I was looking at both of these. Great details and insights.

@tonylloyd5077 2 года назад

At my age (70) I have all the camping gear I will ever need. Yet I eagerly watch your videis and reviews - they are so informative and entertaining. And who knows, if something might break/fail/get lost, I can always check your reviews fir a replacement. Good work, thanks 👍

@damokkles7063 2 года назад

I did buy the soto based on your previous video, now I just need to get out there ;) thanks for al the great videos

@SonoranVibezzz Год назад

Just getting started out making my packing list and went with the soto windmaster. Worked well of course testing it in my backyard. Can't wait to try it in the field!

@jcproductions007 2 года назад

Just got my Soto yesterday in the mail. More than impressed ! Love the 4 flex system to support larger pots/pans etc. I paired with a Toaks 750ml pot and Jet boil Fuel Can Stabilizer, jet boil 230g fuel. Packs away great. A perfect setup imo.

@arileszebbar4331 2 года назад

You've missed out on the most important part of this review: efficiency per boil. Boiling time is not as important as efficiency when you're through hiking and you need to extract the maximum from one gas canister.

@ciarangale4738 2 года назад

efficiency per boil is very difficult to test accurately and will be affected by numerous factors

@BackcountryPilgrim 2 года назад

Pretty sure more people use these stoves for non thru hiking so I'm not sure it's the most important part. ;) However it would be good to know!

@whenindoubtgohiking8074 2 года назад

@@ciarangale4738 you can still get fairly accurate results if you are using the same pot and are testing within a short time of eachother to have almost identical atmospheric conditions. Main thing that would affect the results would be wind gusts if he did the test outside.

@gunnar6674 2 года назад

@@whenindoubtgohiking8074 Testing them indoors (under a vent hood of course) and weighing the cannisters before and after the boil might make it possible to see the difference. But you'd have to be very accurate on timing to keep the test error low enough.

@zainshaikh527 2 года назад

Yeah, I don't think this is exactly very fuel efficient models. The whole point is cooking speed. So obviously flame power. This eats gas in comparison to a tiny thing

@HitsuTwistedTalong 2 года назад

im relatively new subcriber of your channel and I really enjoy all of your adventures and reviews. I also really enjoy your camera quality, its really good with good focus and crisp color.

@kaitym9012 Год назад

When I started solo backpacking in my teens, I had an MSR Whisperlite that worked for everything I needed. On a trip, I had a cap for my spare fuel bottle works its way loose and soak the inside of my pack with white gas...and it was not a good situation at all. Decided to shift to a canister stove and bought the original MSR Pocket Rocket. It still works to this day after a few decades of service, but after playing around with a friend's Soto Windmaster, again find myself in the market. I have always used MSR stoves, primarily because it is what I was brought up with...but the Soto's are now really taking the top podium in just about every review and test. Will be purchasing a Windmaster and will be shelving my MSR's. Thank you for the review!

@KurtMcScotsman 2 года назад

Never tried a Soto stove, but I have the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe, and the height difference is a dealbreaker. the PR Deluxe is just small enough to fit in my Toaks pot (same/similar as Luke's in the video) with a 100g small fuel cannister. With an extra 0.5", that's wasted space to carry the stove separately, especially when I'm rocking a small day pack. I might pick up a Soto one of these days, but the MSR PR Deluxe is a winner for me (plus I've been pretty pleased so far, although I don't have much cold weather testing thus far).

@paulwright903 2 года назад

Hi I have had the Soto windmaster before the Msr version came out, it has always been reliable and fast, I have both stands for the pots and generally use the tri stand, there is only one down side to the Soto and that is its length when putting in a small pot with you gas and other things to put in as well, I use a Titan kettle to put all mine in. Thanks for an honest review.

@CarlZ993 2 года назад

I have had my Soto Windmaster for many years & it is my 'go-to' stove. I recently purchased the PocketRocket Deluxe and took it on one trip. No qualms w/ the MSR on that trip. My $0.02: With the TriPlex pot support, my Soto is lighter than the Deluxe (2.6 oz vs 3.1 oz on my scale; use to get both pot supports from Soto). Also, the distance between the pot supports of each stove also differs: 10mm (Soto) vs 13mm (MSR). Further distance = more opportunity for heat to be swept away from the bottom of the pot.

@mrbeefy9947 2 года назад

More of this content would be nice 👍🏼 thanks for the help

@brianmiller1098 2 года назад

Awesome I've been waiting for review

@grumpy-6890 2 года назад

Hello Luke. Love the channel. I just have to repeat what I had mentioned in an earlier Windmaster video of yours. Don't know if you saw it. Please make sure you get that Windmaster support is on properly. It needs to wrap a little further around the center shaft to clip on as designed. (When viewed from above, you should see a true cross shape, with 90° between each of the legs, not an "X".) It probably wouldn't fail or fall off, but at the very least you'll be giving yourself more stability. Better safe than sorry, even if it's just a lost meal and not a burn. Cheers. Stay well.

@Dave_McKee 2 года назад

Another selling factor for the SOTO for me with the pot supports is they are replaceable if one breaks etc. On the Rocket they are part of the unit itself and not so easy to get a replacement or to carry a spare without a toolkit also to install it.

@christopherwright4271 2 года назад

Hey Luke I use Coleman gas for freezing conditions and I paid about 10 pounds for for my stove on Amazon years ago. I must admit I've always prefered the click together wood stoves as they are lighter to carry and you can find the fuel all over the floor in the woods and they support my pan as the stove I have is square exactly the same as your's LIXADA.

@richbuilds_com 2 года назад

Been very impressed with the soto thermal cookset after I picked it up after your review.

@JahazielCruzPLUS Год назад

Just what i was looking for !! Thanks

@linedwell 2 года назад

It seems like ages since a Vs episode. Love it. ❤️❤️

@holyawesome2 2 года назад

I have had the Windmaster for a while now and just picked up the Amicus simply for the smaller footprint. Curious what the cool weather performance will be for the Amicus since there is no regulator. Time will tell

@thdjjfsfh 2 года назад

Great work, Luke. I have had the Soto Windmaster for a couple of years now and I don't have anything bad to say. I find the Windmaster will continue to work down to a few degrees below freezing, I've never used it colder than that. The Windmaster also has a budget version, the Soto Amicus. The Amicus does not have a regulator and it's louder. On the other hand, it's half the price.

@soniadowney7427 2 года назад

Can I use this indoors in case of power outage

@thdjjfsfh 2 года назад

@@soniadowney7427I believe it's all about the ventilation. I test boil time indoor. In a small enclosed room with poor ventilation, I would not use it

@earlshaner4441 2 года назад

Hi from Syracuse NY brother and thank you for sharing your thoughts and adventures and your family brother

@mtadams2009 2 года назад

I purchased the Soto based on your review last week. Ordered it Sunday night was waiting for me on Monday after work. That was fast. I took it out this past weekend to the White Mt of NH and it worked great. I love the wider pot stands. I have been using a BSR which also works good but its pot stands are not so great. I don't think you could go wrong with either the MSR or Soto.

@mgyver2472 2 года назад

I switched from the MSR to Soto about a year ago. I’ll never look back. Peace from Atlantic Canada.

@raedwulf61 2 года назад

I like your reviews. Very informative. Subscribed just now. I think I would go for the Soto.

@gemimahzzz 2 года назад

I find that Japanese designers are often a little more thoughtful when it comes to function. I have been watching some of your older posts (just watched your 2019/2020 New years hike with Suzy), little did we know, what was waiting for us in 2020. Keep doing what you're doing. I can't wait to be out and about again.

@tommythuntdeer 2 года назад

Soto is my first choice! Love it! In combination with the cook set, unbeatable!

@titanpreparedness 2 года назад

Both excellent options that are out of my budget. Good video tho. I really enjoy people actually testing/comparing gear vs just saying x is the best

@Morpheus903 Год назад

I've read and heard other reviewers say that the piezo igniter in the Soto goes back really quickly, whereas the MSR PR Deluxe doesn't seem to have that issue. I own the MSR, and I'm satisfied with it so far. I'm pretty new to camping and hiking and had never even heard of the Soto until long after I purchased my stove. I did my research though and made sure I wasn't buying a piece of junk. The Soto is faster, and in reviews where they've measured fuel used to bring water to a boil, the Soto is always more efficient as well. I really don't care for the 3 pot supports. I'd much prefer longer fold-out legs like the Soto, but if and until something happens to the MSR, I see no reason for me to rush out and replace it. Thanks for your videos!! I absolutely love your videos. You're love of the outdoors and your positive attitude at all times is quite an inspiration! I really appreciate all the time you put into your videos - especially having to set up a camera just so you can walk past it, and then do it a few more times until you get to where you're going. lol I would have lost patience with that idea a long time ago!! 😂It is cool though!

@markrutledge-docmark41 2 года назад

I am a huge MSR fan, and have every stove they have offered for sale, back to the outstanding #9. I have both of these stoves, too, and I have to say, the Soto Windmaster is my most favorite between the two. In my experience, the Soto not only out-performs the MSR, but is also quite a bit more fuel efficient, too. So, though I love MSR stoves, in this case, I'd take the Soto without a second thought. Thanks for the excellent video, and God Bless! - Doc

@ferebeefamily 2 года назад

Thank you for the information Luke.

@merlin47129 2 года назад

When I was researching stoves, the larger support on the Soto was the tipping point. I like the stability and the construction seems top notch. That being said I don't think you would go wrong with either of these stoves.

@m118lr 2 года назад

Yep, that’s what I lean toward...more stability, WHERE it might make a difference

@andyg4082 2 года назад

I have the MSR and its never failed me. But I think I'll will buy soto as a good back up. Great vid as always 👍👍👍

@treksntarps 2 года назад

Great comparison there . I'm trying to decide between the soto and msr pocket rocket 2 , weighing up performance and value . Leaning towards soto but not 100 % yet . Atb 👍

@standalm 2 года назад

I have the MSR pocket rocket deluxe. It is great so far! Very happy with it. I mainly use it for boiling water

@_Caffeine_1 Год назад

Just bought the soto stove today. I’m happy with my purchase!

@eyeofthetiger4184 2 года назад

G'day Luke, I've had the Windmaster for approx 3 years, (there was no PR Delux back then). Flawless in my usage; though as you mentioned previously, the fold out support legs on the 4 prong could be tighter, but certainly does not affect operation. You could give the rivets a whack with a hammer if it really bothers you. Note: the 3 prong is a completely different design and the legs don't fold out on a pivot. Its more of a sprung piece that flattens out when not installed, (and feather weight too). At the end of the day, both great units IMO, with the Windmaster keeping its nose in front. Cheers Duke. P.S. oh yeah, I've found that a fallen log or a rocky feature make for an adequate shield unless it really is blowing a gale. Perhaps stating the obvious but I'm really trying to avoid carrying a shield unless absolutely necessary.

@ernieschatz3783 4 месяца назад

Inner diameter on the 4 flex and tri flex is the same, so I can deal with the tiny difference in weight and folded size. Great review. There are a lot of fans of Jetboil our there, and they're awesome with speed, simplicity and synergy but if you go beyond just boiling water these two stoves offer so much more flexibility and more than fast enough boil time.

@johnprice4893 4 месяца назад

looks like I'll be buying the soto, thx for the honest rev

@stevenensminger5737 2 года назад

You r awesome because of you and watching your videos I have saved myself from purchasing a lot of bad gear thank yo for what you do my friend you r the man .

@jamesmcgee2447 2 года назад

👍🏻 I have both and your test is spot on.

@db.mc2 2 года назад

Thank you Luke, appreciate you👍 Strength and Honor my friend 🇺🇲

@jayshwa7275 2 года назад

I recently purchased the less expensive Soto Amicus. At home testing is amazing but have yet to take it in the back country to really see how I like it. Have a trip planned for next month so we shall see.

@biggerbehindthetrigger2814 2 года назад

First rule is always carry a Boyscouts handbook. It will tell you what plants are edible and other hints on survival. I was a Boyscout for almost decades. And the book helped save my life when I broke a lower ball joint going off roading in the mountains of Colorado. When I wasn't home in 3 days my dad came looking for me. I always leave a map of where I'm going. I am a big fan of the MSR Whisper Light 600 International. I know it's old but I can burn a lot of different fuels like White gas, gasoline, alcohol, diesel. The bad thing is I can't use the pressurized cans of fuel. Plus I got it for free. I used to sell camping gear and I got great deals on gear. I still use my Camptrailes Wilderness xl internal frame back pack and my Eureka Timberlite 3 with the vestibule. I'm a big guy and I can still fit 5 days worth of gear in it.

@rrumple39 2 года назад

Just got my windmaster yesterday. Haven't gotten it out yet, but am planning to take it out this weekend. Personally I think if you choose either of the stoves you'll have a winner.

@arigronlund3564 2 года назад

Soto Windmaster FTW. Never failed me on during past three years. Silent and super efficient when not on bull blast. With the three prong pot support lighter than MSR. On EU side you get both pot supports in the package.

@TongPSuh 2 года назад

Great review!

@Crazyhealthylife 2 года назад

Hello from rochester NY, i have the soto windmaster and am CERTAIN you will favor this over the MSR

@m118lr 2 года назад

Personally, not having used either before, I’m liking the SOTO’s ‘4-winged’ supports (for the container) VS the 3 on the MSR stove. STABILITY matters as I think it could be more advantageous in the real world. As for “how fast” to get a ‘rolling boil’..not a big deal to me. but I suppose it’s a selling point Idk...my .02. Great vid...

@georgelaurie3587 2 года назад

I just one stove and its a pocket rocket and ive noticed issues when gas is low but other than that its a good stove the Sisto is a few bucks cheaper and ya get 4 pot stands which would be nice id call it a tie as well thanx for the review stay safe c ya on the next one

@mikevandebunt811 2 года назад

I bought a Windmaster based partly on your earlier review and I am very happy with it. I also bought the Triflex pot support, which made the total cost more than the MSR, but I like the added versatility.

@xenaguy01 2 года назад

I don't understand how the triflex support makes the Soto more versatile. Increased versatility means you can do something with the triflex that you can't do without it. What would that be? Want to boil something in a 5.5 oz juice can (2.1" diameter) using the 4plex? Flip the pot supports inward. Can't do that with the triflex. The circle formed by the inner edges of the siupport arms is larger than the base of a juice can, and the base will rock on the stand. Now, to the credit of the triflex, when is the last time anyone tried to heat anything in a 5.5 oz juice (or 6.5 oz Starbuck's) can? I never have. If you want to say the triflex stores flat, therefore takes less space, that is valid. But only if your main cook pot is a 12 oz soda/beer can. I can't think of an actual cooking pot you couldn't put the Soto with 4plex into.

@mikevandebunt811 2 года назад

@@xenaguy01 Specifically, you can pack it into a smaller space if you're only going to use smaller pots. (Also a couple of grams weight savings.)

@xenaguy01 2 года назад

@@mikevandebunt811 I go back to my last sentence. I can't think of a pot I can put the Solo+triflex into that I can't put the Solo+4plex into. (Plus a lighter/flint-steel combo.)

@mikevandebunt811 2 года назад

@@xenaguy01 Sure, if you pack everything loosely. I tend to cram everything I can into a pot. So, FOR ME, the Triflex taking up half the space gives me versatility when I want it. Your mileage may vary. Use only as directed. Consult a physician if condition persists. Have a nice day. (Sometimes I pack heavy and don't care about space. I never asked you to fall in love with the Triflex, I just said that IN MY OPINION it added versatility that I liked. You should make your own decisions about equipment, not complain about other people's choices.)

@Peregrine_1 2 года назад

Ive been using the Soto Microregulator (OD-1R model) for over 12 years now. It's one of the most consistent gear pieces I have

@ChrisLoew 2 года назад

Massive msr fan, the windburner msr stove is brilliant with the radiant heat element vs open flame. That said the Soto would be my pick too, still love my gen 1 pocket rocket.

@WalterDias 2 года назад

Luke great test, next time try to measure the canister to see fuel consumption.

@mikelovesbacon Год назад

I've used both. I started off with the Pocket Rocket Deluxe and with limited use the igniter stopped working, the button won't click and generate a spark. So I got the Windmaster. The igniter has worked first time every time and hasn't broken yet. Like you I noticed the performance of the MSR stove would drop when the canister was getting empty. I also like the fact that I can switch between the Four Flex and Tri Flex stands with the latter being lighter and more packable for when I just want to take a small pot to boil water, and the former being better to support larger pots like my MSR Ceramic Solo. The arms on the MSR also tend to loosen up over time, needing a hex key to tighten them back up. No such maintenance needed on the Soto. If you're somebody trying to choose between these stoves, get the Soto Windmaster. It's considerably better, and considerably cheaper.

@angelbangtana9885 2 года назад

Oh my GOSH that camera is LUSH! Easily broadcast quality. Fantastic

@dannysmith9217 Год назад

I just bought the MSR POCKET ROCKET DELUXE. DAMNIT MAN Now I'm forced to go out and buy THE SOTO. I feel so used, Whaaaaaaa

@mustangeek 2 года назад

I just got a MSR pocket rocket I like it, can't wait to get out to camp before the snow flies.

@Kado244 2 года назад

I've owned both stoves I prefer the wind master overall the pot supports are just a little bit better in my opinion and the igniter seems to fire a better spark and seems to be more consistent. The MSR also tends to stay hotter after you are done useing it.I do like the bag material and construction of the msr. they both are really similar stoves.

@treywilly431 2 года назад

I have the Soto and love it, both are great stoves.

@tamahagane7911 2 года назад

I think that they are both superb stoves. For me, it depends on which is on sale, as you'll get similar results where it really counts.

@marjiecleveland 2 года назад

I haven't used either, but was going to get the MSR. Now I think I'll get the SOTO!

@stasysliskevicius4040 2 года назад

Soto: (all outside some wind no screen) two eggs and bacon 6-7g gas, fast boil 700ml 13g, 1000ml some wind 15g, pasta rehydrate boil slow 7g, 4x cups, 2x meals windy 55g, 2x cups coffee 12g... hope it helps, it depends on what you do and what conditions outside.. all around 10-15 C (spring)

@tennyis28 2 года назад

Both look awesome, I already have the msr so not enough reason to upgrade

@tlgrimmy 2 года назад

I have a Soto Amicus and an MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe. One interesting little thing I noticed is that Soto stoves use a double O-ring seal setup. Particularly on the smaller 100g-110g canisters, a lot more gas squirts out when screwing in the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe than with the Amicus. What's a bit weird is that neither of them squirt out any gas when screwing them onto the 230g canisters. Not sure what's going on there (maybe the stem is shorter on the smaller canisters?). Anyway, I do also like that double seal setup on the Soto stoves. Thanks for the review!

@brholder1 2 года назад

I have the SOTO. It works great, even in cold conditions.

@jasonbabila6006 2 года назад

I have the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe kit with a pot but I haven't used it yet and I got it on sale about 3-4 months ago from REI.

@larryl4881 2 года назад

I like the Korean/Japanese made items a lot. My mother bought some proscription glasses from the 99yen store in Japan that lasted her 5 years. I wish some of these other outdoor companies would expand and test out the USA market. I’ve been noticing some new Uk brands in the USA market now. I picked up an Decathlon- Itiwit 2 person from Wally World and has been amazing so far.

@skyrocker71 Год назад

Thanks 👍🏻

@happyfuntimereviews5600 2 года назад

I’m not as impressed with boil times as I am with fuel efficiency. Would love to see how much fuel, by weight, each stove takes to boil. At the end of the day, which one is going to stretch your fuel the longest, thus saving weight overall?

@eyeofthetiger4184 2 года назад

Fair point mate. I just take the approach if you're outta gas, it's time to make a fire. Cheers Duke.

@stetomlinson3146 2 года назад

If you worry about the weight of an extra gas canister, I’d be worried for your health & safety being out overnight anyway! 😉

@eyeofthetiger4184 2 года назад

@@stetomlinson3146 G'day mate, yep with ya, I don't count grams either, just don't have a need for a night or two. I take the larger 450 g, only downside is if you happen get a dodgy valve there's no back up as you would have with 2 x 220 g jobs. Haven't had one yet, but I've been told it can happen. I don't go anywhere without a ferro rod anyway, so no great drama. Cheers Duke.

@stetomlinson3146 2 года назад

@@eyeofthetiger4184 Same here! Ferro rod is inside my stove bag. Never leave home without it! Good idea about the two smaller gas, I’ll take that one on board. My Windmaster is class! I combine it with a Fire Maple pot with the heat ring. 600 mls of water boiled in just over 2 mins. Ideal for long hikes. But for one/two nighters it’s a Trangia burner with a Firebox Nano for me every time. Stay safe.

@eyeofthetiger4184 2 года назад

@@stetomlinson3146 Cool mate. My Windmaster came with both the 3 & 4 flex supports, did yours ? Luke says not so in the US. Like the idea of the burner with a firebox, more options again in a small form factor. Good stuff !!!

@ryantowers2313 Год назад

Been leaning hard towards the soto foe while, I have a cheap ozark trail stove now works great but it's the only one I've used lol, an only used it a couple of times

@HUKIT. 2 года назад

I prefer the MSR as I don’t want to worry about losing the legs on the Soto as it’s one more thing that can mess up a meal.

@DharmaB420 2 года назад

That’s a valid point.

@garrycollins3415 2 года назад

That's why I chose the MSR.

@danielvalencia6582 2 года назад

However, if one of the pot supports messes up on the soto it is not integral to the stove for replacement. Can easily carry the triflex which is 3/4 of an ounce for the redundancy of 2 is one 1 is none

@williamsellman1 2 года назад

I’m new to channel but have watched probably 40 vids so far. Getting into camping. Any vids or can you make a vid for the beginner camper? What do I need to get started and what you recommend

@azclaimjumper 2 года назад

Luke, you've transposed MW when you should have used WM in the title. I own & have used the 4-Plex Soto Windmaster for 3 years & never had any malfunctions. I chose the SWM based on an article I read that determined it was 29% more fuel efficient than the PRD. Enter this search term if you want to read the article: outdooreager Soto Windmaster vs Pocket Rocket Deluxe. You'll need to scroll down to come to the article. The only TWO things Luke omitted was that the pot rests 7mm above the SWM flame. The pot rests 10mm above the PRD flame & that MSR is made in copycat China whereas the Soto is made in Japan. The Pocket Rocket Deluxe folds down smaller & is .2oz lighter than the SWM. TIP #1...Call Soto Windmater customer service & ask them for a spare set of O Rings; They send them to you, no charge. TIP #2...cut a hole in the tip of an old sock, now come down 6" U cut the sock off so you only have the open holed toe end of the sock. Slip that over the top of a small fuel canister. That sock will prevent condensation from forming & freezing on the canister exterior which can reduce heat output. Also, that sock covered canister is a lot more comfortable to sleep with than the cold metal exterior with no sock covering.

@trailtrashoutdoors8173 2 года назад

Just in time! In the market for a new backpacking stove

@DartmoorPaul 6 месяцев назад

Great vs test. For me the wider arms for stability wins me for the Soto.

@Mr_J_J 2 года назад

The Soto Windmaster barely fits sideways in a Snowpeaks Trek 700 on top of a 110g fuel canister with a 1/2 LightLoad towel lining, but it does. I’m using the triflex and it fits too when removed and placed at 90˚. Haven’t had a chance to have it out yet but I have that and the tiny BRS. Might use use the BRS on minimal heating summer trips, but for anything even slightly windy or cold, or where I’ll be cooking more frequently then I’d the Soto for sure. Could even leave the mini Bic behind unless solo. The Amicus might be the ninja value stove though when running at above freezing temps.

@anthonywissbroeckerd.c.5487 2 года назад

Hey Luke, thanks for the review! What pot is that in this video?

@apocsurvival916 2 года назад

Time to order a few Soto stoves, because I believe in truth. This channel is probably the only place left on Earth that gives you that.

@derAllrounder-Nr.1 2 года назад

Guter Test. Ich denke auch das man die paar Sekunden in Kauf nimmt für den top Preis.

@nicholassantiago8606 2 года назад

hey luke off topic what model is that patagonia black pullover flleece pullover you always wear thanks

@maximusjoseppi5904 2 года назад

I have the pocket rocket deluxe, love that thing. So small and light

@deroesch 2 года назад

Thanks!

@TheOutdoorGearReview 2 года назад

Thank you so much for the support, it really means a lot. S&H - Luke

@exz0r.ex3 2 года назад

Woulda been nice to have the dimensions and weight of the Soto with the 3 arms and also a comparison of the fuel consumption great video though😀

@briankeenan1023 2 года назад

Can you do a round 2 of this review, or supplement it, where you measure gas efficiency between the two? i.e. you did a review where you compared boil times. how about how much fuel (in grams) they each used to achieve that boil? Is there any significant difference there?

@kuribo1 2 года назад

Picked up a soto from the REI garage sales, someone who did not know how to use it brought it back and I had to pay only 18 dollars for it, works flawlessly. Win every day in my book.

@DennisMathias 2 года назад

Besides boiling time, I wonder what the efficiency of the stoves are. IOW, to boil one liter, how much gas does it take? I'm willing to wait another few seconds if the stove doesn't use as much gas. That could be determined by weighing. But an interesting comparison!