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QuickVid: Minimizing the surface area of a soda can 

Chris Odden
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What are the dimensions of a 12 ounce can that minimize the amount of aluminum required for the top and sides? The solution involves a sign analysis of the first derivative of surface area with respect to radius.

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@jimcar53
@jimcar53 Год назад
you're an amazing teacher. I learnt a heap from this video.
@mikemorgan5015
@mikemorgan5015 4 года назад
Also remember that soda/beer cans can be under significant pressure. Flat tops and bottoms don't lend well to pressure vessels as they will, like a soap bubble, seek spherical shape when pressurized, as a sphere is the most efficient surface area to volume container. That's why cans get smaller at the top and have a concave bottom with thicker material. Quite a lot of engineering in that container we so take for granted.
@christynayang4824
@christynayang4824 5 лет назад
You explained this amazingly, thank you!
@kdrpapa2003
@kdrpapa2003 4 года назад
you've explained it so well. thank you so much
@jasonbraverman8974
@jasonbraverman8974 10 месяцев назад
The aluminum on the tops and bottoms of soda cans are twice as thick as the sides. If you change your equation so that the surface area =(4*Pi*R^2)+(2*R*H) to represent using twice the aluminum on the tops and bottoms, then you'll get the right answer. The radius (cube root of 355/4pi) is 3.046 cm, making the height 12.18. Much closer to the 2.7cm - 3.3cm range for the radius and 12.3cm height.
@michaelvance2293
@michaelvance2293 Год назад
A little late to the party but consider making a cost function using the surface area (i.e. the aluminum costs some value per square cm). If every part of the can costs the same amount nothing changes (besides maybe a scalar). However, it seems reasonable that the top and bottom material would want to be thicker and say, twice as expensive. This new cost function actually does optimize to something very close to a standard soda can (and of course companies want to optimize cost!).
@tomterrific6085
@tomterrific6085 3 года назад
Thank you for this video, I am doing a project on this exact topic and my math's was not really helping to clarify what I must do. But, one question to construct your graph what program did you use?
@chrisodden
@chrisodden 3 года назад
Thanks, Mark. All the slides are done in Keynote, including diagrams and almost all the animations. (I used GeoGebra for the animation around the 3 minute mark.) Recently I have started to simply rely on desmos for graphs in the videos.
@tomterrific6085
@tomterrific6085 3 года назад
@@chrisodden thank you for your help, deeply appreciated.
@عبداللهحن-ع5ي
@عبداللهحن-ع5ي 4 года назад
well explained, thank you!
@mikeups
@mikeups 8 месяцев назад
ok so just do it with a given area A, or I suppose conversely a volume V
@tomterrific6085
@tomterrific6085 3 года назад
Another question, what was the formula that put into geogebra to create the graph, because when I put A(r)=710/r+2 pi r^2 i do not get the same graph that you got in the video.
@chrisodden
@chrisodden 3 года назад
I just posted the geogebra worksheet as a GeoGebra tube: www.geogebra.org/m/twm2juy5 Please let me know if you have trouble gaining access.
@tomterrific6085
@tomterrific6085 3 года назад
@@chrisodden Sir, for the graph and I was referring to the graph that appeared when you plot the function A(r)=710/r+2 pi r^2 at 3:29 and you got the graph with the curve.
@tomterrific6085
@tomterrific6085 3 года назад
@@chrisodden I just need some clarification Sir
@petranuth7112
@petranuth7112 3 года назад
Why do we need minimize surface area beside low cost of beverage can?
@otkare
@otkare 3 года назад
It's usable when calculating material for water heaters for example. Less surface area touching the water means less heat escaping from the walls of the heater, also lower material costs.
@WindTechInsights
@WindTechInsights Год назад
introducing the r/h ration would lead to the same result much easier... in regards of why manufacturer do not follow this rule, it is not only it looks "bigger", but it also the dimater an avarage hand can hold... it would take just some educative facebook campaig to explain that actually the best shape is when the 2r/h ratio is equal to 1...it could save million tons of wasted material
@markdib7394
@markdib7394 8 лет назад
do you have a tutorial on how to do this in matlab?
@WindTechInsights
@WindTechInsights Год назад
just introduce the r/h ratio...this will make it ,uch easier to implement.
@V5END
@V5END 4 года назад
sooo what is the answer
@chrisodden
@chrisodden 4 года назад
The punchline comes at 6:13
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