*A quiet **Generater.Systems** , love the dual fuel capabilities, camper is 50 amp but the adapter helps and found it still handles the load. Haven't taken a camping trip yet, that's in a couple of weeks. Will see how well it does over a long weekend.*
I have all of these generators and more. I convert the gas models to duel or tri fuel use. The iGen4500 that I have in either gas or LPG mode with a small load with the econ mode one only makes between 50-52dBA noise. By far the most quite of the bunch.
I know that this is 2 years old but I have not found a great comparison for the Champion 4650 v. Predator 3500... until this video. Holy cow, what a great video, this is exactly what I needed to make a decision on a camping generator (Champion). Thank you.
I understand that in a camp area having a quiet generator would be nice to your camping neighbors. But in a Storm outages the steady hum of a small engine puts me right to sleep.
I need a generator that power enough to runs 2 refrigerators and couple fans and lights .? Which ones would be suitable for me ( I need a long lasting running ? Thank you
I have both the Predator 3500 and later bought the Champion 4650 dual fuel. The 3500 I bought is the newer configuration but just before COSense which I'm glad it doesn't have, something I wish the Champion didn't have, either. The Predator seems just a hair quieter to me when pushed to the limit vs. the Champion. That being said, despite running very well, the Predator lacks the fit and finish of the Champion. Some of the panels on the Predator don't quite line up and the wheels seem flimsy. The Champion is tight A to Z. Better quality control in my opinion. Bottom line, the Predator makes a good throw down for harsh conditions or when you don't want to punish the other one in your stable.
Great comparison.. The Honda's are nice buy not 3 times the price nice.. no sir.. my co-worker and neighbour have Honda's and tried to convincing me to buy one, at that price the wheels are optional as a kit.. hhaa.. plus if u don't take care of it like store it ethanol fuel ur gona have problems regardless of the brand so i settled for a Champion and it fires up and runs every time plus it even has abit more juice than the Honda..
Good choice. I normally tell people if your not buying a Honda or Yamaha then champion is your next best option. For the price they are hard to beat and have a name to with hold in outdoor power equipment. Good choice and thanks for the feed back..😀👍🏼
Which do you think is the best quality for the price? I’m leaning towards the powerhorse but there’s not many videos on it. It will be used for fishing at roughly 2500 watts for 5-7 hours at a time. Thanks!
I do have a couple videos on the powerhorse which is a good unit. Honestly I like the champion 4650 or 4500 which are the same. And the 4650 dual fuel would be even better. I think those units are built a little nicer and are pretty darn quiet as well. From many viewers they also seem to have good customer service and warranty.
I have owned a lot of generators. If reliability is the measure, Honda is by far the best. If you are only going to use it for periodic purposes, the others are fine, but if you want to use it every day, and have it work every day, get the Honda.
Super video buddy. Ive nust uploaded a review of my hyundai p4000i inveter generator, it fell off my workbench and smahsed the plastic casing to bits but still rins like a dream
Great comparison. I have the Westinghouse and so far so good. I don’t think anyone can go wrong with any of these. Obviously I wish I could own the Hondas 😂 but those inlets look so poorly built. You couldn’t even connect the first plug unless you flipped it upside down/ why would Honda do that 🤦🏻♂️
I bought the Champion 4650 last year put about 30 hrs on it. I liked it so much I bought another one. Just got it broke in. I use them for our food trailer.
Well non of these are 240 volt. And when I did this video there wasn’t even a 240 volt option in a enclosed frame unit. So yes all are 120 volt units. And voltage won’t change they way these run.
Ironically "Westinghouse" *claims* almost 10db lower than Champion. Maybe with zero load and further away. They seem shady regardless. Lots of reports of horrific CS also. Never heard a legit complaint with Champion customer service. I have friends they sent replacement parts for free well out of warranty period, or high altitude kits also. They also seem to be attempting to continue making more features available for less money, vs pushing the cost up like other vendors. The 4500/4650 retail is quite a bit lower than the older 3300 or whatever models. Just pray they'll come out with a remote start 4k or 5k-ish watt continuous with 220v output, or the dream would be a remote start parallel capable 2300 watt model with auto start slave. Not sure why nobody see's the market for something like this?
Hi i need your advice i do events and need to plug in 4 x deep fryers , hot plate, hot dog roller, heat lamp , residential fridge and freezer what size generator do i need and it has to be as quite as possible thanks for the help
With out knowing how much power everything draws then I don’t know. What’s the power draw of one deep fryer, then the power of hot dog plate then the heat lamp and dog roller. Either way I bet you need alot of power and it’s gonna be something like this amzn.to/48nLnhA
I noticed on some of your videos you’re not putting the same champion as the one that’s in the video for the one that’s in the link. One is 4650 and the other one is 4500. Would you mind providing the link for the 4650?
Unfortunately as Amazon changes so do the links. And some models like the 4650 was only listed for a little while it seems as it sold out several times. Also I think Tractor Supply Co has the contract for that model. So I can’t even supply a link..😒 I’m sorry but this 4500 dual fuel electric start just came on super sale…😀👍🏼 amzn.to/3oMd25S
Doesn’t exactly work like that. The blowers are not as loud. So the sound pressure they put out is less than the generator. So only the generators pressure levels are are really pushing the meter.
I have a home-made enclosed generator with an automotive mid muffler. It's better than the original muffler but the generators here are in a different league so unless you have an open-frame generator I doubt an automotive muffler will help much.
0-1000 feet not needed. Honestly good to go up to about 3500. After that a little loss will be noticed but I have ran many from my home at 550ft to 4500 feet and do well unless its hot and a higher load a jet kit would benefit. Especially if you live at that altitude.
I'm sure you have another video but what I was more interested in is the fuel economy because you know a lot of the bigger ones and a lot of the smaller ones have about the same size of tanks of fuel and you know I would be more interested on how much fuel it's going to cost you to sit here and run something. I didn't know they had a 2200 watt Honda. But you by the Westinghouse 2200 watt for about half the value if not more than half the value of a Honda. And now I see it's almost just as good to have a solar set up and have a set up where you can actually charge from solar and from battery going into a unit and inverter lithium battery setup. I know Westinghouse has a thousand watt hour solar generator and I'm just wondering if it would go along with the 2200 watt generator. They come out a lot of crazy things lately. I'm not just saying Westinghouse I'm seeing a lot of brands have.
It’s true a lot of transition right now for power stations and more. In about 3 years I think we will really see some big gains on power. This will apply to battery as well. Unfortunately the biggest thing for the Rv market is a running a ac unit. Most can do with out a microwave. Will be interesting to see soon.
Do you think you might be able to do a review on the Generac IQ3500? It’s supposed to be super quiet. I’ve been going back and forth between that and the Predator 3500 due to its popularity. Thanks!
I would move on from the predator for the price you can get more. It’s popular though for easy exchange though. Been looking at it so I’ll try and grab it.
Are any of these pure sine wave power? What is the THD of the cheap compared with the expensive? Looking at price and dbl is overlooking important power quality factors
I haven’t seen a recent built gen that is not pure sine wave. Maybe the cheapest of the cheap but all the newer inverter types are with a 5% THD or less now. Most are about 3%.
What are your thoughts on using 2 eu2200 in parallel as a substitute for one of the larger units? I want to use to run a 13500 btu air conditioner in a small trailer. Thanks in advance
It’s normally more power, easier to store and handle, and if one dies you have a second one. One of these units should actually run a 13.5k but if it’s really hot out you’ll probably be maxed. I would rather have two 2200s then a Honda eu3000 anyday.
@@johnnysweekends I am looking at purchasing one with 2 -20 amp receptacle and the companion for the 30amp plug. Should I avoid the one with the built-in CO detector since I will most likely be running these in a generator box?
It’s a good unit and still a favorite. The predator lately seems to be having more issues from the latest generation according to many group members. Thanks for watching 😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends so the champion seems to be pretty reliable and holding up well from what you know? I'd prefer Honda but obviously the price difference is my issue. I wont be using it enough to justify Honda price either.
So far the champion I had and sold is doing great and many on here have been having good luck with there unit. I have seen and read plenty of problems with Honda and other brands because ya never know. Always buy a warranty.
If you run a single item that runs 60 db, running another item that’s also 60 does not double the sound out put or pressure. But it does make it sound more full. I have a video or two that shows the sound level of two units running and showing the sound levels. And one read 64db and two made it go to 65-66 if I remember…. It’s minimal the added extra. Now the Honda 3000is is a different beast because it has a real muffler that’s big and the unit is heavy. So it really muffles sound, but over all the 3000 unit is quieter at max load, but two 2200s is a lot more power all the way around and cheaper. So depends what ya want and what ya need.
Thanks for the great test! I'm curious about running 3000+ watts thru a 20 amp breaker. I have a Workhorse 4500 but have never run that much thru the 20 amp circuit. The meter showed 3075 watts at 25.5 amps. Shouldn't the breaker have tripped? I see the Predator has a 20 amp breaker on the double outlet also. What do you think?
Eventually the breaker will trip. Or the generator will go to over load. But 20 amp is good for 2400 watts but can go over for a little bit. On a home it would trip quicker. Plus I think I did this test when it wasn’t very hot so that helps.
I believe it was in eco throttle for the test. All we’re done the same. Regardless it’s the quietest and has a good lower tone. Mainly because it uses a real muffler that’s a decent size
Sound levels on a meter are only part of it. Tone is another. The Hondas defiantly have the best tone and lowest sound levels. The champion did very good as well
Thanks Johnny I am glad I bought the Champion based on your recommendation . Nice comparison. . Honda will most likely outlast all of them but 2.5-3x the price of the Champion I would hope so.
You realize that audio compression is going to make "hearing how loud it is" is not possible. Just look up comparisons in regards to dB readings. 60 dB is about as loud as a conversation.
Well, that may be true, the audio compression through RU-vid and also my editing platform, which I try to use none during those parts still doesn’t give a comparison. If you put two generators side-by-side, you can hear the audio difference with one being slightly louder or even the tone being slightly different it does give a little bit of a comparison versus just saying it’s as loud as a conversation.
I should have done a closer test and added the grass or rock effect as well to show what different surfaces do other then very reflective concrete lol.
I don't get the comparison? The test is using generators that have different wattage ratings. I would expect a 4500 watt unit to have to work harder than a 3500 watt unit. Your test is invalid and as for me it proves nothing. Now a head to head wattage would be more believable and accurate.
A head to head on same load or same size generator. This gives everyone a idea of a common load that would be placed on several different models. And for the most part only a couple vary enough to notice by ear but most are with in 2-3 db. Unless you wanna carry a db meter around. Invalid to you I’m sorry, helpful for many others as they just want the basic info. Plus tone also matters.
It’s the new version powerhorse which is what predator copied along time ago from the original 3500. Only thing I saw that was different is newer inverter board allowing more power. And I assume more windings on the generator. I don’t hear much bad about it. But be sure to run it once in a while unless properly stored.
I mean for me the Answer is easy Champion… Both manufactured in China but both designed in USA Champion has more power Remote start Wheels Lighter Dual fuel option Rv plug if you want that Costs less!! Normally has best customer service and warranty out of many. Did I mention wheels and it’s lighter!! Generac……………………….it might be slightly quieter but from what I read it was slightly louder according to users. Hope this helps.
I think they don’t is because they state in the manual to shut off the generator from the fuel source when using propane since it positive pressure. So to shut off the generator you close the propane bottle. Hope this helps
What do you guys think??? Now obviously changing where your gen is at can effect how loud it is. Adding some grass or having it by some bushes will really help knock down the decibel level even more. Hope you liked the video and thanks for watching.
Considering the price of the iq3500 and it’s kinda a block with no way to move it easy I would grab several other units for cheaper or with more power for the price. Although I have heard it’s quiet. If you need a stationary unit then this might be good.
@@johnnysweekends the Honda is $3000+ ($2000 more than the iQ3500) weighs 35 lbs more than the iQ3500, iQ3500 is 40% quieter than the Honda, 16% more powerful than the Honda. Both generators are available with a wheel kit
Well maybe I’ll find one because I know right now 40% is a really bold claim to be that much quieter because so far nothing really is. The Hondas tone also helps as far as the tolerable noise it puts out. Now granted the Honda is a tough machine but for todays world it’s now overpriced, heavy and low on power compared to what you can buy as far as other options. I’ll see what I can find
@@johnnysweekends I enjoy your channel, think you make great vids. Just felt like the Generac was completely disregarded in this line up comparison. Honda makes quality generators. I use the 2200 daily and it’s a beast, has never not started for me and has never tripped. I personally own a iQ3500 and did extensive research on it along with every other generator in its class and am convinced the Generac owns the 3500 inverter class
Awesome thanks for the compliments. For some reason I don’t remember why I didn’t do this one maybe because intro price was really high or not sure. I’ll see if I can find one although I bet I can’t get one now. Being in CA is making things pretty difficult…🙄
Yes, I mean if your spending $850 do you buy the same 3500 watt unit or get more power with a little bit of update and a Rv plug if that means anything. It’s the exact same unit except the new features.
one thing that is important to me also is the warranty, which one has the best warranty? I don't know about the others but the warranty on the Predator makes it the Best Buy.@@johnnysweekends
A lot of these are made by the same companies I would go with the one that has the most power, best deal and best customer service and warranty. Normally I get best feedback about champion. Some complaints but not many. Even some good reports on Wen as well.
I like the Honda but not enough power and heavier then crap. I Mean I could parallel a small gen to it for more power but that’s not the question. I would take the champion. The whole thing seems to be solid. And they are normally really good for warranty and customer service. The Westinghouse has cool features as well and a bigger engine but not as fuel efficient and notably louder. Predator and powerhorse have a great reputation but I hate moving those stupid things. Hope that helps
It seems allot of gens or certain models are on back order. But this place normally can find you the best price and availability generatorbible.com/?pk_campaign=jw&IQKuWL_fyvw_fb
I bought a Champion 4500 Dual Fuel Inverter Generator in May of this year. Funny thing is Amazon would not ship to my location on California even though it was compliant with emissions standards. So I had someone returning from Nevada being it with them. It seems to be a good generator. Haven't had to use it yet, but breaking it in. Only plan to use it on propane, even though it will lose a bit of power.
There is a new law that is trying to be passed on small engines that will effect all the companies. CA is trying to eliminate all small gas engines. Forget the cc but it was pretty high like 459cc and down. It’s crazy.
@@johnnysweekends That is crazy. These engines are an easy target. Meanwhile the CA ports are like a traffic jam for cargo ships. I get the feeling Europe is similar to CA. So it may not be CA's fault.
I think the Powerhorse is amazing for the price. My grandfather ran it non stop day and night and got 5,000hrs (on the 3500w unit) out of it before it dropped a pushrod (because he didn't adjust the vlaves) was running perfect up until then. Great little generator. Love these inverters just wish I could find a 4500w inverter with 220v.
