Quintuplet swing. 

"a 19-tuplet, and I'll probably almost never need to do that" That comment aged well with the new Sungazer track lol. Now you need to play them every show

Just got into a college jazz band for the first time and everyone in our rhythm section is playing 5 stuff all the time haha

frank zappa watching this: you merely adapted the touplets... I WAS BORN IN IT

just got home, "uploaded 37 seconds ago" perfect timing

Great video, and thanks for the shout-out! Interesting to think about the relative accessibility of the 'swung quintuplets' kind of sound versus additive rhythms.

For some reason this is the default swing in MuseScore.

Thanks all for the Spotify playlist suggestions! Lot of great stuff in there. I've been updating it with new additions and have also expanded it to include some 7-tuplets and other tuplety grooves. Keep 'em coming!

Mate your content must be great. I just realized i didn’t finish this video when I watched it months ago, _because?_ *i stopped the video to go learn some quintuplet grooves.* Any video that I have to pause to go play drums, is an inspirational one.

My favorite song with quintuplets is flâneur by plini

5:11 repetition legitimises

"A 19-tuplet, and I'll almost never need to do that" 2 years later and he needed to do that

10:16 "What's the hardest thing that i would ever need to do? Which is like a 19-tuplet, and i'll probably almost never need to do that." Never say never, uh?

Your videos are great on so many levels. You go for the deep dive on whatever subject you’re discussing and i’m riveted the entire time. Please keep making these. Your take and your intricate explanations are super informative and interesting.

"19/16" Me, in Ireland: "Nice"

Its nice to think of meters as combinations of 1s, 2s and 3s for sticking. Its nice to think of meters as binary for going through the combinations of accentuation. eg. 00000 10000 01000 11000 00100 10100 0100 11100 (accent 1s) Its nice to think of odd meters as polyrythms for realitycheck, eg. im wondering if Im playing the gnawa rythm (4+3+3) right, accent every fourth beat so that the different meters meet the second time.

I'm so glad you're doing these types of videos! I love the format but focusing on the rhythm side of music, I think there is a wealth of theory videos that don't cover enough of this so thank you!

Thanks for making a playlist, man. I absolutely adore it when I have a place to find more music

I always love it when you upload new videos Shawn. I'm a huge harmony nerd but I still have so much to learn about rhythm and it's hard to even get started when you've only ever learned it from other harmony nerds

I very much appreciate the way that you are both precise and intellectually honest in the way you talk

Great video as usual, a favourite trick of mine is to play the big laid back quintuplet swing and then switch to quick 5/8 licks as RLRLK or RLRLL blazing around and then back to the laid back feel while keeping to the quintuplet grid. The contast is killer.

I find that quintuplets are incredibly flexible when it comes to going off the grid by playing most notes early or late, it's one of my favorite ''templates'' to mess around with to get many different feels. A simple even swinging pattern always has this jump with odd rhythms, by going off the grid you can ease that jump and even justify placing it in the middle of the rhythm rather than at the end. I only recently learned about nested tuplets, these can also really cool for changing certain gaps when a certain section of rhythm doesn't quite lead into another.

Turns out I already listen to pretty much everything on your playlist. Cool topic, awesome music!

I love your vids. You should upload content more often. Greetings from Poland btw

I really appreciate your explanation of counting rhythms, you’ve given me some info to chew on 😊 I’m totally gonna paint with these colours much thanks ❤️

Shawn! what an awesome video, thorough and inspiring! it's always fun to hear about how other drummers experimenting on the drum set reach similar conclusions (i.e. keeping an evenly placed kick and snare relationship while varying hi-hat subdivisions). Keep the great vids coming!

Flâneur by Plini is mostly based on a really sick quintuplet groove EDIT: Nevermind, looks like it's already in the Spotify playlist!

I was orbiting around the idea of "playing blues in 5" for a while and you upload this video, cool

Ah man LOVE your videos. Since I saw you playing with Adam I knew you were a real one! Thank you!!

Thanks for this beautiful video! Great quintuplets explanation and the Spotify playlist! Inspiring!

Love these kinds of videos you do :D Please do more :3

I like your explanations. Thanks for your time and energy on these topics! -Cheers!

I'm not a drummer at all, but your content is SO good. Thanks for all the hard work.

I've been playing around with quintuplets for years! Glad to see that there is a community behind it!!! Actually even more in septuplets

I’d like to see people make some pop songs in odd time signatures like soundgarden did.

man you should post more videos. loved everything i watched here (big sungazer fan here btw!)

Man, what a great video. Another argument as to how jazz seems to be further influenced by hiphop which for better or for worse makes it much more accessible than say the fusion of the late 60s and 70s, I'm pretty stoked on this.

Thanks for the playlist!

Totally worth following you. I feel like you are a real teacher... greetings from Argentina

This is exactly the type of drum channel I was looking for:)

Eyyy throwing out zappa. Not enough people talk about his music. Not enough people know who he is. Legends never die and he's one of them in my heart.

The lighting is such great ambiance

Very informative and interesting video, already fond of the playlist

Thanks Shawn. Amazing stuff.

Love that you showed a clip of Matt Garstka at the beginning, I think he may be the best drummer of his generation.

Great and inspiring video! The quality of your content is great man, some awesome examples in here too that I've gotta check out :)

Damn, I really dig your videos. Came over from Adam (as a bass player myself) but stayed for the quality content. Keep it up! And don't me counting away over here... 1 + 2 + 3, 1 + 2 + 3, 1 + 2 + 3...

we need full live video "sequence start"! please!

Excellent video. I'm also enjoying your work with Adam in your band -- very fresh indeed!

Your videos are very well researched. Great work!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge Man..🤗

Awsome knowledge! Thank you!

Thanks, this has been my new goto thing sinds the video of (ofcourse Adam) but I really like the extra depth you put into it! Also like to use the septuplets in my drumcomputer (use a 14 steps).

i dig rhythm lessons from the very best

Such a great video.

Great video and Spotify playlist! T-shirt ordered. 🥁😃

"The more we are exposed to something the more likely we are to like it" Reggaeton makes me a clear exception to this rule.

Great breakdown

Great stuff Shawn.....................!

1. As always, huge respect for the execution in these videos. Please don’t stop. 💗 2. Something to possibly add to the playlist would be “moiré” by xuiqen. The step length is 35, and was intended to present an option of feeling it as 7 quintuplets or as a 9/4 with a slight skip. 🙂

I was totally going on the wrong path with this until I saw this. Great video!

Hey Shaun! This video has been really informative, but I'm floored by your spotify playlist with quintuplet feels! Is there anyway you can either make or ask your community to make a playlist with modulations and/or implied meter?

love it!!

"We tend to like things that are familiar to us, and dislike things that are not" - I'm not sure I agree, at least from my personal experience. One thing I've noticed about my tastes in music is that I'm drawn towards music that I can't mentally "predict" - i.e. that is not familiar to me. The longer it takes for me to become familiar with it, the more I like it. One of the first songs I remember that I noticed this with was "Tetsuo" from the Akira soundtrack. There's a lot of unpredictable rhythms in there, and it probably took me.. dozens or even hundreds of listens to get comfortable enough with the music so that I could accurately mentally predict what was coming up - and I absolutely loved it. The same experience has happened to me on many occasions since. A lot of Michael Gordon's work is like that for me too. e.g. his "Vincent van Gogh" opera. It's those songs, or those parts of songs that I tend to be drawn to the most.

I think i see your point about needing to count. But I think that's more important when getting deep into music. For us newbies it might be better to just feel it for a while, at least until we love music too much to escape anymore.

so glad strobes is on this list. such an underrated group

excellent channel, man

Here are more examples :-) Phronesis - French Phronesis - The tree did not die Phronesis - 4 now Phronesis - Rabat Morten Schantz - Godspeed Marius Neset - Music for Drums and Saxophone Eric Garland - Eminence Sam Crowe Group - Circles Tigran Hamasyan - Etude No. 1 Tigran Hamasyan - Erishta Vijay Iyer - Aftermath Punch Brothers - It's All Part of the Plan Yshai Afterman - Lomer Bustan Abraham - Igrig Coeuts - Vengo de Moler Coetus - Don Gato سعدي توفيق - توبه من المحبه اتوبه من المحبة - امل خضير

Shawn! Very informative video and downloaded your playlist. I'm currently taking up drums and learning different shuffles and swings as well as analyzing how they're used in certain songs. Wanted to know if the swing going on in Hiatus Kaiyote's Swamp Thing could be considered a touplet swing or not??

Would recommend checking out Tigran's Nairian Odyssey, its initial motif has a 7 tuplet swing, on 1 and 5, really interesting song as well. 4/4 feel with 7 tuplets.

Haken is a great way to get into odd time signatures. They do a lot of 7/8 and 5/4 in a way that doesn't feel jarring. They were my gateway to musical "oddness".

Timeless by Textures is another great tune is quintuplets! That song, in particular, got me hooked on tunes in odd subdivisions.

Quintuplets are fun. Kinda reminds me of the breakdown for the song “All I know” by Karnivool

anika nilles is great at the quintuplet swing first time i heard it, i couldn't get enough of it lol

Snarky puppy has some killer grooves in 5s

Another track you could add is Midnight Mischief by Jordan Rakei, which has an extended quintuplet groove starting around the 3:45 mark and otherwise is just a fantastic song

I love how odd bar groupings + odd tuplets are two extremes related to Odd Time Signatures...

Sugarcane by Nubiyan Twist has a pretty sick Quintuplet swing throughout it and then an awesome quintuplet filled riff towards the end. Please add to playlist to help this amazing group out

Hi Shawn, I really appreciated the video but I have to say I don't very much agree with your advice on the counting method. I totally see the merit of that system and I admit I still use it sometimes today, but the point in my opinion is that the most appropriate and natural sounding way of approaching rhythms with tuplets (and this can be applied to odd time signatures as well) is to follow the shape that the rhythm of the riff or the melody in question is communicating. For example if you have a 7 with this shape '1001000' (or basically a 3+4), I cannot ignore the ternarity implied by that first 3 that is the thing that gives that particular flow to this rhythm. The listener's ear no matter what will interpret that as something ternary and not as an upbeat on 2 (unless is against quarter notes, but still) that's what's cool about these rhythms, everyone of those almost has a personality given by the internal division of the pattern. I'm not obviously saying to learn all the 128 permutations, it's not what I teach my students, but as we approach these concepts they will always be related to some kind of riff, as musicians we need to serve the music after all, so at least we have give importance to what's presented to us and after that we can start changing stuff around and improvising. To me your method looks a little bit too mechanic and I'm saying this because I used to use it and sometimes I felt was going against the musicality of my phrases. And the improv by the way will always be connected to the original pattern in some way, either by similarity or by contrast, so my advice would be to first understand what's in front of you and then apply variations with that original shape always in one corner of our mind. Thank you again, and great job with the Sungazer stuff.

Great video! Well explained and researched but I would have liked to hear you playing a couple of grooves. But a great video still.

Thanks for the playlist. Salt - Caligula’s Horse feels like a it is using quintuplets but I’m not quite sure, sixteenth quintuplets notes or whatever they are at that speed is a bit too fast for me to count.

Now I’m interested in the very subtle swing of septuplets. Or even a more extreme version of swing using septuplets, where instead of the 2:1 you have the slightly more swung 5:2. The subtle one mentioned earlier being of the ratio 4:3.

Hey, Shawn! Just now I rediscovered some Maloya I lovelovelove, which is Danyèl Waro's album Monmon from 2017. One of the songs on this album might be what got me into quintuplet swing to begin with, it's called Naraini. It's really fun to hear the vocals parts being completely relaxed rhythmically on top of the strict 5-grid. The song Panga also has a hint of 5, but is more like a relaxed 3. I hope you take a listen and discover something you like!

The arguable places that Zappa uses a quintuplet shuffle (that I'm aware of) are the "oh yeah" in Penguin in Bondage and also in Didja Get Any Onya? The first example is just a short fragment that isn't played over the main beat of the song, and the second example is more like a fast beat in 5 with all the stress on the 1 and 3. Again, it's arguable whether it's a shuffle or just an additive rhythm.

Yeah. I thought I was pretty advanced re: odd time sigs and rhythmic concepts until I watched some of Crowder's vids. Nope. I'm not advanced. Let's say intermediate at best. Keep up the great work Mr. Crowder, I'm learning a ton from u and love the Sungazer stuff. Can't wait to hear the next bunch of 'Gazer tunes.

Great video! Those books by Mike Mangini seem to be out of print :(

Malcom Braffs arrangement of “Berimbau” (sick in between triplet and quintuplet swing) and Esos castillos ridiculos que nos inventamos by Bolsa de naylon en la rama de un arbol (straight 4/4 with each pulse subdivided in quintuplets$

Ta ka de me de... is how I count fives. It really rolls out of the mouth easily. I think I got that from Anika Niles, or maybe from Indian counting systems (kona kol?)?

"what if you put that into quintuplets, then you could make a whole song with it, and wouldn't that be cool" *cues song he wrote with quintuplets*

yeah_! i actually wrote in 2015 many studies of independence of that clave and many others against binary triplet quintuplet etc rhythmic permutations all builded inside the quintuplet subdivision of the pulse, actually you can mantain binary or whatever rhythm modulatin softly the metric tuplet by tuplet, increasing or decreasing, i think Tulio Araujo has developed that in an impressive way

Omg I’m the first one to follow the playlist 😂

Hey Shawn! I wanted to congratulate you for the amazing content that you've been making. I also want to ask you a question (or maybe for some advice): I am a drummer that lately has been interested in the worlds of jazz and fusion drumming, I started to experiment and learn via my love of prog rock (especially the older stuff). Could you offer some tips or recommend certain online courses/RU-vid videos/books that could help me grasp the art of jazz drumming? Thanks in advance!

Just found out that i have been accidentally (and terribly) been playing quintuplets on my ride. Neat

Very interesting videos ! A lot of content to work on especially for a guitarist like me :) Have you studied Konnakol, and if so do you think it would have advantages over "standard" rythm method ? Cheers

Thanks for this great lesson. I can't help but think about Electro, when you talk about quintuplets. Also quintuplets or septuplets? (I'm a quintuplet guy).

and now quintuplet swing is my own default when i think of any music ever... whyyyy

Before even clicking this I knew there would have to be some sort of reference to Anika Nilles. Wasn't expecting it to be in the first 10 seconds though.

"a 19-tuplet, and i'm probably never gonna have to do that" two years later *threshhold is released*

With the love in my heart has a septuplet jam in it

Hello there. I'm a composer who has a strength for harmony but a real weakness for rhythm. This video has been really helpful. I also appreciate the recommendations for books. My problem is this. Learning how to really have complex rhythms in my back pocket has always been presented as either too hard or too easy. I'm looking for a comprehensive step by step approach to get me from A to B. Where do you recommend I start, assuming I have a degree in composition and understand these things conceptually, but struggle with them physically, performatively, and being able to confidently apply them to my work? Thanks in advance if you get to this.

Really helpful stuff. What are the clips you cut to at the start of the video?