@@treyjasso TEACHINGS are ALL supposed to be based on the Holy Spirit guidance. Don't worship men and women of God. Seek that special relationship with our Father JEHOVAH that is personal.
Wow, I agree with RC Sproul. I did what that girl did, flip pages and its this desperation for an extra biblical revelation.... honestly we need to WAIT and TRUST him. That's the issue! And Cessationist do believe God can do miracles, but not the APOSOTLIC GIFTS in the APOSTOLIC AGE that were specific to THAT TIME. I wondered if I would ever get married too, but I had to wait. I had to practice discipline and I needed to be accountable with someone so I don't fall into something I don't want. And, I left an NAR church very recently because of the bad theology! Lord have mercy.
The word of knowledge came to the brother in Kansas City! This is the amazing story of obedience of a man of God who wants to follow! He will answer you!
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I think its very telling that when we find ourselves "embarrassed" about an account like this. There's a massive difference between incessant sign hunting and being open to the supernatural work of the 3rd Person of the Trinity. May we abandon our silly ditches and let the Holy Spirit work. For the hyper-charasmatics, through the text, and for the staunch cessationists, through the people of the book as He sees fit (to our maturity, pleasure and praise, not our embarrassment).
@@walkingintheglory2892 You are insinuating that I do not study scripture, yet you know nothing about me. Friend, there are zero scriptures that use the term “Trinity.” The important thing is what the entirety of scriptures teach. As for the gifts, this is not an issue of orthodoxy or heresy. I have no problem considering someone a Christian who believes differently on this issue. I would ask you to do the same.
For those quoting Matt 21:22 about receiving everything we ask for in faith--please stop ripping that scripture out of the Bible as if it doesn’t say anything else about the subject. “Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to HIS WILL, He hears us.” 1 John 5:14 “You ask and DO NOT RECEIVE, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.” James 4:3
Philippians ch2 v13; "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." but if you have a habit of quenching His Spirit it's going to be very cloudy in your life, He knows who it is that loves Him, they obey Him as a habit.
Dont ask God to lead you one day on Major decision if you dont ask God to lead you for small decisions daily. Time is a healer for many decision - we just need to cast all our cares upon him be ready to take His will, remember when we obey and do His will - then His Super natural strength, Favor and Grace follows us.
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Sure, but not through humans anymore. That’s a historical fact. Also, every man seeking the apostolic gifts of Acts is absolutely Biblically illiterate. To speak in other tongues literally meant to speak in an actual language you don’t already speak and God made it clear if anyone did that in church it was to be one at a time, 3 max and HAD to be interpreted. Also the healings were IMMEDIATE and OBVIOUS and always performed on/in front of unbelievers as a sign that points to God’s sovereignty and the authority of the man performing the miracle. One miracle that happens all the time is the miracle of justification and the sanctification that follows in God’s adopted children. It’s amazing and supernatural the change He makes in our hearts. Another is discernment provided by His Holy Spirit... Most people don’t have that, but true Christians aren’t so easily deceived. Read the Bible and see that I’m not lying, brother. Agape!
@Darryl Wilson -- ONLY when it is God's sovereign will to MAKE them happen, and I have seen a few. They do NOT happen through MEN like Benny HInn and his bunch. God works them out for HIMSELF, done by HIS Hand, not a man's....... and ONLY when it IS HIS will to do so.
@@TheMistysFavs God has chosen to use man to preach the gospel, cast out devils and heal the sick, though he may sovereignly do these himself. Hope this blesses you.
@@alexanderhanksx God has chosen and still uses man to preach the gospel, cast out devils and heal the sick, though he may sovereignly do these himself. Hope this blesses you.
Cessationisim does not deny Providence of God. In fact Cessationist have a better understanding of God's Sovereignty and Providence which can include answers to Prayer, Healing Provision, and God's personal intervention in every day affairs of life.
Is there some kind of middle ground or “reasonable cessationism” or “practical cessationism”? I agree with both to a point. Also I am trying to understand why no one seems to be taking into account the major differences between extraordinary providence, and continuationism.
If people were to pray to the Lord and say. Father I don't know everything, I'm not going to put you in in a box and say this is how things are, this is what my pastor says, this is my denominational statement of faith. Please help me to know if and how you still minister by your Holy Spirit today. I am completely open to what you do and how you do it. Forgive me for my pride, show me Lord, and give me also discernment for the counterfeit. I believe if you are sincere in your humility God will show himself true. His way, his time.
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I was on both sides of the page for a long time. Now I believe that their is changing in the intensity of certain gifts. But they are all still in operation. The only scripture that cessasionists use to annul the giftings is 1 Corinthians 13. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. Them saying that the bible is that which is perfect, and that which is in part is the giftings. In my books that's a big stretch to make a conclusion based on that verse alone. My personal experience for what it's worth is, is the gifts are in opperation. Sure there are counterfeits, but that don't negate the legitimate.
I have never seen one incontrovertible miracle. Headaches and tummy aches aside! The ones in the bible all appear incontrovertible. The early post-apostolic church lamented the passing of the gifts with the passing of the apostles as well, which I find telling. In one sense all events are miracles. I would love to see a true miracle.
@@billhesford6098 TRAVEL TO KAKANDE MINISTRIES in UGANDA and you will believe with your own eyes miracles still happen. They have international visitors from all over the world and it's not fake. Check him on you tube
@@J_a_s_o_n Yes, over the sea somewhere. I remember as a young new Christian in the 1980's a bunch of Christian doctors went to see some of these claims 'overseas' - Brazil from memory. They checked the claims and whenever they could actually trace out all the facts, every single one was a lie. Its the same claims and I find no reason to believe these same types of people. The lies I see on videos today tell me not to trust anything on video, to be honest. I haven't seen a true miracle in over 40 years now. I must have heard over a thousand claims and likely a lot more. I was actually involved in one of these lies. I went up to a healing service, a rally that had a few thousand people in it. I was loaded up with my doctrine - never utter a bad confession. "By His stripes, we are healed"! I went up onto the stage with the famous preacher from the US for a bad knee and claimed my healing. He said God told him someone with a bad knee was out there, needing help. (whats the chance of someone in a huge crowd needing help for a bad knee?) He laid hands on me. I confessed my healing before the crowd who cheered and likely believed me, as I did a one legged squat on that bad knee. I was avery fit young man. My knee hurt, but I didn't waver. I was healed (no bad confession from this 'faith-filled" man). I told everybody there, 2,000 and likely a lot more - i was healed. As I went back to my seat, I felt 'high' it was a surreal feeling with the backslaps and congratulations,but my knee ached. No way would I say anything! A few weeks later I had an operation on that same knee. My knee still hurts and last year I had it replaced with a steel one. It was a lie then and nobody who filmed it would know. I grieve over that lie I hoped the doctrine was true and hope people did not believe me, but I know they likely did believe it. It was all captured on video.
@@mysticalglowtv1796 Correct, that is why I asked. I'm questioning your comment, as it states that if someone doesn't show the gifts of the Holy Spirit which would include tongues, prophecy and so on, their walk with God is illegitimate.
1 Corinthians 7:7 New International Version 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
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If we ar truly God's children and want his will guide us by closing and opening doors. We dont have to beg him and asl for a sign. Simply say if the Lord wills we will dk this or that. If a door opens and it's biblical and not sinful simply pray "God close this door if you dont want me to proceed"
As a believer in the continuing gifts of the holy spirit including speaking in tongues, I can honestly say that I am a lot more comfortable among the cessationist views held among the reformed, then I am with the cringe-worthy histrionic unlearned accusatory neurotic and generally ignorant and theologically destitute loudly shouted (even in tongues) opinions of Pelagius continually held forth in the Armenian views of so many Pentecostal charismatics today. Give me a break. I absolutely believe in Divine healing I have seen it and I pray in tongues between myself and the Lord for my own edification all day everyday. With this I am content to know that it is so. That said I am continually confronted with this rabid damnation of sound doctrine by fools who continually castigate Calvin without knowing anything about what he really taught or the history of what really went on. Get a grip and read a book.
@@nickspitzley8539 it's hard to explain my friend. Glossolalia is putting syllables around the groaning of the spirit that transcends words. Read first Corinthians 13.
@@Im_No_Expert_72 Then it no longer transcends words? Assuming it's a heavenly language that would make it heavenly words and words are words none the less.
@@Im_No_Expert_72 no it isn’t. Read your Bible and see... look up the Greek translation... Speaking in other tongues was literally speaking in existing languages to non-believers to spread the gospel. God also commanded we never do it all together in church, but rather one at a time, about 3 max and every word of it was to be interpreted. It never ever has been babbling in a nonsense language. That spirit the Pentecostals are entertaining is not the Holy Spirit, but a kundalini spirit. Look in to it, search your Bible. Read opposing views and let the Holy Spirit guide you to truth. See that I’m not lying to you, but telling you the truth out of love but also fear and trembling before my Lord. You should be terrified that your views are only 100 years old and can’t be backed up scripturally. I was raised a Pentecostal and when God showed me the truth... I was disgusted and horrified at what I had been doing. Run run run from apostasy. Agape!
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Some here just confuses the classical cessationist's position with God's ability to do supernatural things through all the mankind history. Cessationist believes that apostolic kind of gifts has ceased, cause they served the purpose of confirming the NT revelation. And none of cessationists believe that God's power or ability to act in a supernatural way is ceased today. R.C. talks here about the second.
What the Reform have done is trow out the baby out with the bath water and what the charismatic have done many times in history is trow out the baby with the Bible. So I’m a continuist with the Bible that left the charismatic circle to a FreeWill Baptist Church because charismatic became charismania. That being said I believe every page of the Bible and there’s not ONE single text that proves that the Gifts ceased. The one mostly used is The Perfect has come 1 Corinthians 13:10. If the Perfect has come - this world is pretty mess up and getting worst. That scripture is in the context of the gifts. Chapters 11-13.
cessationism isn't "God doesn't do miracles." it's "God doesn't gift men with the miraculous gifts in order to validate the word of God (scripture, not preaching) that comes from them" Sproul's story has nothing to do with that
Thanks for your comment! I agree. The purpose of this video is to show militant and unbalanced cessationists that God works this way at times. Cessationism is not monolithic unfortunately. I am a cessationist.
Over the years I've heard many stories from the pulpit about how the speaker believed that God was leading in a certain way and it all worked out. I've also met people who believed God was working in a certain way and it did not work out. These people were shells of what they were before questioning their relationship to God. Without trying, I can think of four people that have shared their story with me. They don't proclaimed their stroy because they're embarrassed about it. The only reason they share their story at all is because they are seeking counsel. We should not believe that just because something is supernatural, it is of God. There are other supernatural forces at work. Typically, when people talk of being lead of the Lord, it's in a way that is not seen in the scripture at least not in the preaching that I've heard. It's normally just some feeling or impression like God wants you to do or not do something or just knowing something.
From the Eyes of God ... everything works out for His own pleasure .... We need to ask ourselves ...(?) Are we really being ..conformed , molded , transformed to the image of the Lord ...or does the world still have it's bite on our lives and our decisions...
... in what extent is the cessationist? If someone is sick? How are we going to pray. If someone is in need of provision. How should we pray.... Matthew 21:22 and all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
For those quoting Matt 21:22 about receiving everything we ask for in faith--please stop ripping that scripture out of the Biblically balanced context. “Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.” 1 John 5:14 “You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.” James 4:3
That is very right Brilliant Light... That is what I am trying to say. And still believe in God's Sovereignty...we don't have to Limit God to work according to His purpose ... JAMES 5:14 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders(A) of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil(B) in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer offered in faith(C) will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.
Many (not all) cessationists are uncomfortable with experiences like this and would even reject them completely. This is a respected cessationist who’s story can challenge that mindset.
@@austinp1998 Of course not. RC Sproul is a contributor to the strange fire conference which makes the case that experiences do not override the word of God. I think throwing out all experiences simply on the basis that they are experiences is also illogical. We should examine our experience in the light of scripture without disregarding it completely. There are way too many overreactions in cessationist circles.
@@austinp1998 I believe the sign gifts have ceased. As stated in strange fire, God still does miracles and heals today and providence is remarkable. God answers prayer such as in the case of George Mueller. The cessationist believes there are no more “healers” or “miracle workers.” That is the difference.
If posting of this clip was to support speaking in tongues or spiritual gifts then I should say, RC's talk had nothing to do with the spiritual gifts that our dear Pentecostal brothers push for.
@@RamsinSavra no I'm talking about the same thing..you said the gifts are something pentecostals push for...My point is the Bible is the one that pushes them not just pentecostals so what any man says or doesnt say is irrelevant
@@joytheresagrigsby4941 I see where you are going with this. OK, it seems you are not comfortable with my comments about the Pentecostal brothers/sisters. Right, the point is that the Bible speaks of the gifts, and that is true, but not what the Pentecostal folks claim. We can see one of the damages to the Church starting in early the 20s century (aka Azusa Street). Until someone thought to classify and segregate Christians, those who speak in tounges and those who don't! After 2000 years this made-up story is nothing the but a way of confusion and division. If you would pay more attention RC explains listening to his friend (whoever the caller was ... probably a Charismatic person) put him in a miserable situation for two years. The person who posted this clip had this on his mind that the caller had some kind of gift. Guessing or throwing words without any rationale isn't prophecy, or makings strange noises are NOT tounges. Anyway, The Pentecostal theology is so off when you come to think of it and compare Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Jonathan Edwads, RC, J.I Packer, James White and MacArthur with Pentecostal theologians you pause and even cannot think of a single Pentecostal or Charismatic theologian. Just being straight! Please kindly watch this clip and share with me how does this glorifies GOD? What kind of gift is this? It's nothing but an insane game so many play. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rmKN67Bvm88.html
Speaking in tongues means speaking in other languages. Don't twist that simple truth: God gave the apostles the ability to speak in other tongues so they could spread the Gospel to the foreigners who had gathered in the city.Be careful with that TO GUES concept.
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Strange. It seems to me that a lot of Cessationists, if you press them, will admit that God did these things in their lives, rarely. And usually when they were desperate, diligently seeking him for special, extra-biblical guidance. But then they proceed to bend over backwards to stress that it is not the norm, and that we should not make a habit of desperately seeking him for special extra-biblical guidance. Never considering, apparently, that perhaps if they did, these events would not be so rare and abnormal as they are for them. "Fervently desire spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy" (1 Cor 14:1). A command no Cessationist ever obeys.
*Ive found that some people want to carry a label so badly they'll just pick one up at random and re-arrange their entire belief system to accommodate it.*
Well do you prophesy? What extra biblical revelation have you received? If you don't then perhaps you can tell me the last dead person you raised? The last lame, deaf or blind person you healed? No, thought not. It's all continued but you can't show it continuing!
@@Phill0old Wow, touchy. I knew a man who God raised from the dead. He was my small group leader. God also raised his friend's daughter from the dead; they both went to my church, and they both prophesied. Needless to say, neither of them were Cessationists.
@@Phill0old *That is a fallacy called REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM. You re-engineered the argument to arrive at the most absurd conclusion possible. Its very close to what I call 'The Burning Man Fallacy' in which a person sacrifices their own sacred cows on the flaming altars of an intellectual effigy in hopes that the sights and smells overpower the senses the desired outcome being 'SENSES' overr reason.'*
@@GreaterThanWealthThis old guy had a buddy who had a gift of the Spirit. RC went home to be with the Lord now. Seemed like a pleasant guy - which in my experience is rare for cessationist calvinists.
God speaking to someone is not normal for cessationists. And what were they praying all night long for if everything is already settled and written and God is not speaking anymore?
@@brilliantlight8556 it seems Michael is just constructing a strawman argument, i.e. deliberately mischaracterizing the position of others to win an argument. I've never met a Christian, cessationist or otherwise who didn't believe God can speak to us.
R.C. Sproul was a contributor to the “Strange Fire Conference.” A more in-depth answer is given to your question there. In short, God still heals today, but the case is made that there are no legitimate healers today. Benny Hinn and other modern self proclaimed prophets are discussed in depth. m.ru-vid.com/group/PLcpTMSL-FR-duvHk-xYVLOGCQRLnYBNxU
If they’re real healers, there’ll be no COVID today. Where are they when the pandemic killed hundreds of thousands in the world? If they are really real, where are they?
@@HectorRodriguez-nl8yj clearly you didnt read acts my friend the apostles healed at will and they did it for the purpose of adding credibility into what they preached and claimed so the gospel would spread , if God allowed them to do that for credibility and signs why not today as well? Ez it fulfilled its purpose God bless you and stay away from false teachings
@@HectorRodriguez-nl8yj Yes because miracles are God’s authentication of His Word for His glory. The NAR movement were not authenticating anything and not doing it fof God's glory
Because many cessationists would regard such a story as fallacious. But, since it’s RC Sproul’s story, a hero of sorts in the cessationist viewpoint, it hopefully will cause some hardliners to consider a more balanced view of cessationism that at times will include direct Providential intervention such as this.
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit Mth12:30-37 (LSV) • 30 He who is not with Me is against Me; and • he who does not gather with Me scatters. 31 • “Therefore I say to you, • any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, • but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 And whoever [y]speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but • whoever [z]speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. The Heart Is Revealed by Words 33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; • for the tree is known by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak [aa]what is good? • For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. 35 The good man brings out of his good treasure [ab]what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure [ac]what is evil. 36 But • I tell you that every [ad]careless word that people [ae]speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37 For [af] • by your words you will be justified, and [ag] • by your words you will be condemned.”
God is totally sovereign, so He let that happen. But maybe Satan was the one who approached R.C.'s friend and had him call R.C. like that. Satan had access to all that information. R.C. should have stuck with his original decision making model.
"I don't think this is the normal way that God leads us". Point 1: It's may not be normal for you, but it's normal for me. Point 2: The Bible is CHOCK FULL of stories like this. The idea that God might lead his people using signs, wonders, dreams, visions, prophecies and miracles is ABSOLUTELY BIBLICAL because the Bible is FULL OF THAT KIND OF THING.
In the years of the OT from the beginning of all time until the last of the prophets how many miracles do you think there were? Is that more or less than one a year?
Cessationists are the ones that believe in cessationism that is the Apostolic gifts (instantaneous healing, miracle, prophesy and gift of tongues/language) of the Bible ceased to exist when apostles died and the canon (standard) of Scripture/Bible was completed...Paul healed and rose Eutychus who was completely dead and that is an apostolic gift... cessationists like me believe that today Scripture alone has the valid supreme infallible inerrent authority and Word of God over Christians and no other... whereas, continueists beleive that the apostolic gifts is still relevant and continues to work till date and they they come mostly under Evangelical penticostals, charismatic and NAR denominations...
I just don't agree with these Calvinists. What they teach has not been my experience. Yes, on some thing we can agree. They negate some of the beauty of our faith and don't reflect the possibilities of an intimate relationship with God.
How do you mean “neglect the beauty of the faith”? I find God and the Holy Bible to be absolutely amazing and I consider myself a Calvinist and fan of Ligonier Ministries.
Exactly, Calvinism/Reformed teaching is also to rely fully on careful interpretation of scripture to drop human logics and experiences conflicting to it.
May I suggest that’s an oversimplification… We should always pursue the application of the scriptures to our lives rather than trying to illegitimize our real and difficult conundrums with false dichotomies.
This poor man declares through the Cessationism heresy, that "The HOLY SPIRIT ceased acting with the 12 Apostles", first century! However he reads The BIBLE which the Catholic Church moved by the HOLY SPIRIT made in the year 382 AD!!! Go figure!! The same applied to heretic John Macarthur!!
