I disagree. I believe getting out as soon as you can was the best thing OP did. If he didn't, the Karensharks would have gone to him, yelled at his face and make sure that he would be "fired".
@@Mrdantheman510 why should Op care though? What are they gonna do? They’re dumb enough to think he works there so I highly doubt their brains can compute anything
Story 4: these are the ACTUAL lazy kids that Karens complain about. OP was right to set the trap. Two teenage girls were probably going to be fired by Karen that day.
@@kith6118 minimum wage jobs are just as important if not more so then office jobs. This type of thinking is just as bad as Karens and needs to change try and do better please
@@kith6118 you people who look down on minimum wage jobs are also the same who complain about long waits and understaffing.....you know why it is understaffed because people like you look down on them, so those jobs are quick to be abandoned. You sound like a karen in training
Story 2: that wasn't even the "main" bathroom. As far as I know the main bathroom is the one that's for the use of the rest of the house, not the one that you can only access by going through the *coughs* master bedroom.
I work tangential to the real estate industry. The trend is to use the terms Primary or Main bedroom. Unfortunately it also means calling it the Primary or Main bathroom, which is confusing. I'd call it en-suite but it's not up to me. But to blow up at someone as racist for using a recently-deprecated term is ridiculous.
Story 2: I had a similar incident when I worked at a theme park. I was working in the gift shop and a family came to the counter to buy something and I greeted them as followed, “Hi guys! How can I help?” The mum got really angry with me and accused me of being sexist by referring them as ‘guys’. I countered by saying that when I say “guys” I’m referring to them as a group of people, you know like the rest of the world does.
That slang can be more regional. Some places don't have people using 'guys' that often nor neutrally. In some places in Australia 'mate' is more gender-neutral and gets used for everyone while in others it's usage is quite gendered It's honestly not a big deal to just go "aw sorry, no offense intended" and try to move on. If she kept badgering ya than yeah, but it's just a slight mess-up. No biggie
As a grown woman, I detest people who call me and my friends “guys.” If you want to refer to a mixed-sex group of people, “folks” does very well and is respectful.
First story, the second time he should have been like "Missing breakfast once is an accident. Twice is stupidly ignoring the problem. Get your shit together, find a better solution". Damn, fourth story, can't BELIEVE the OP didn't eat there and watch the fireworks! Maybe move somewhere so the Karens don't spot him hanging around and approach him again...
2nd Story: ...Wtf. 3rd story: Cussed OP out for being "too kind"? Why, because it made her look bad in comparison? Anyway, guess she won't have to worry about OP asking her about the receipt any more.
I'm on the Autism spectrum and I heard the infamous "r word" by kids and some adults ignorant of Autism. I graduated in 2010. I am pretty intelligent, and able to work a couple jobs while taking care of myself. Those who use those slurs against people with disabilities are the sad ones, not OP or any other person who have a disability whether, learning, physical or mental. I'm in school right now to become a Special Education teacher. Its being my career goal since I was in 4th grade because of the teachers who help me become my best self.
@@Some_Guy6 yeah nah, still don't like that personally I like reclaiming some slurs and using them positively. could see myself using the r-word in place of 'cringe' and saying memes like "I may be cringe, but at least I'm free" lol
All my teachers were like that but that was before teachers were no longer allowed to correct kids bad behavior. It was an 80's thing to start worrying about kids egos being too fragile to withstand punishment. These days, unruly kids are labeled as autistic without any actual tests done to confirm the diagnosis, and they get special treatment.
@@mom5catskyle596 Cute story, but nah. I got diagnosed as ADHD as an adult and my therapist is convinced I've got autism so I'm gonna go get tested for that too. I was unruly. I just ended up falling in-between the gaps of the system and not making it through highschool. I was absent a lot and cried a lot in class and lashed out and nobody did shit to help. One time I got kicked out of class when I was having a breakdown and crying non-silently for once and the vice principal said - after they kicked me out - if I couldn't get a hold of myself I'd have to be marked down as an absentee 😂 I'm in my mid twenties now but it's also good to note that I'm amongst the oldest of Gen Z. I'm not even American, which means I didn't even have to worry about school shootings FFS. Granted that maybe, MAYBE, kids of the next gen are actually being seen more as neurodiverse, but I can't help but think that'd be a good thing for all of us that aren't gonna get diagnosed in childhood and teenhood. Which a lot of girls fall into the experience of. Oh no! Maybe some people that are genuinely struggling when it comes to their education won't have to as much anymore....the horror.
I’m a retail manager. About 5 years ago the local community college asked if they could use our store as a training ground for special needs students. They had finished high school but needed some extra training to get a job in the real world. About half had visible disabilities (Down Syndrome). Those students were some of my best employees. My biggest hesitation was if someone called them the r word. They had been taught how to stand up for themselves. We did tell them that if anyone called them the r word or any insult about their disabilities to come get a manager or their teacher. Fortunately no one did. If someone had I’d probably lose my temper and do something that got me fired and/or arrested.
On this side of the world, it's pretty much law (if not absolutely the law) that service staff do NOT have to continue to serve someone who is being obnoxious, rude or otherwise unpleasant to them. An employer who attempts to force staff into serving someone who is abusing the staff risks prosecution and a huge fine. I'm not sure of the exact legal term but it's something like "fostering a hostile workplace environment."
@@charmedleblanc if you are talking about working at the store, they loved it. How customers treated them. Customers just let them be. No one insulted them. However they always had a teacher nearby.
That means you stand up for them (my mom's friends daughter has Down Syndrome) and you must be one of best manager to have as a boss. She would have loved to work for you ❤
The discalculia story made my blood boil. My sister has discalculia and was called stupid before she was diagnosed (it is VERY underdiagnosed, especially in girls). She finished high school with near perfect grades except for science and math, which i tutored her in and she barely passed. She went on to finish both uni degrees with honors and works in academia now, doing research on sexual and reproductive health rights. People with discalculia are NOT stupid. Sorry for the rant 😅
I was diagnosed with it in about 1987-88 so I was lucky to get diagnosed early and get special assistance/tutoring as a child but I still struggled. I had to do a special class every day in school and already felt weird. I can attest that I too also had similar experiences as OP did. Like we're already dealing with enough, we don't need jerk customers or rude people on top of it.
This was a long time ago in the 60s (since I was born in 71 & my mom was kid #3 out of 6), but proof that an issue with a learning disability doesn't make someone dumb or incapable. All 3 of my mom's brothers, 1 older & 2 younger than her, had dyslexia, but the older 2 boys figured out ways around their issues because for them it wasn't severe. However the youngest had it bad enough that he literally couldn't associate any sound to a letter. He simply memorized the spelling of as many words as he could. Still it wasn't long before he was getting behavior problems due to the kids & even a couple teachers calling him stupid when he didn't know how to spell words or sound out a word in a book. But another great teacher who had also taught 1 of the older brothers realised what the issue was & told my grandma. She helped him get tested, a big deal cause it was just getting taught to teachers what dyslexia even was. Of course the test came back showing he was dyslexic, & the teacher helped get him moved to a different school in town where there were a few teachers trained in the new techniques to help. It was amazing the difference it made, him being with teachers & other kids who understood. When he was given all his tests verbally his grades skyrocketed! In fact after graduating high school he got a pretty good job where his boss understood that he was already pretty good at mechanics & computers. My uncle continued to learn those & had a good career in that company. He even considered the President & VP of the company to be friends & they trusted him to be conscientious of getting things right, & they actually created a separate division just for him to head because sometimes very important things were getting misplaced by engineers rushing, causing delays in testing & concerns of theft or industrial spying. So with input from my uncle & others, they came up with a super secure system for tracking R&D inventory & put my uncle behind a desk for most of his day. Everyone had to go to him with proper paperwork to even get the smallest part from "the cage", the newly built locked storage. On paper of course his title sounded boring, something like "inventory dept. head" or such, but to everyone in the whole place, manufacturing, R&D, & the offices, he was reverently called The Cagemaster. 😂
Awesome for your Uncle to get a new method of learning and turn his life around 😊. I also have dyscalculia and dyslexia and it's a lot of work to overcome. I had many advantages as well, private schools in the 90s, diagnosis at 5 years old, ect. And it was still difficult so your Uncle is awesome.
In the last one they should have her name from the Police report. Just file a lawsuit against her for defrauding a merchant and defamation for the false police report. That will hit her where it hurt.
Ma'am cosmetologists and nail technicians have the right to touch you because this is the only profession besides a doctor that we are allowed to touch people in an establishment. Ever heard the term barber surgeon? The best way to get back at that woman is to ban her from your place and spread the word around town because she's a cheap state that's trying to scam people out of their services.
A little more salt in the wound I would've called the manager of that restaurant told him that their employees sucked because they were looking at their phones at this time during the day so he can review the camera footage and maybe they get their asses chewed a bit.
Story 3: OMFG 😡😡😡😡😡😡 I’m actually dyslexic but can read & write while being Autistic and ADHD and that woman had no right to call OP like that 😡😡. Kudos to the old lady who stood up for her.
Story 4: I think this is the only time we've had a story with actual lazy employees that Karen is rightfully complaining about. Granted, this doesn't defend how this Karen acted since she was also in the wrong, but I feel like the employees of that restaurant were rude in it of themselves, so they deserved their inevitable outcome. A shame that we weren't able to hear the aftermath, but I'm sure it was glorious.
My dad is great at math, but growing up he had a short fuse about me trying to understand some problems. From then on I hated anything to do with tutors or math problems. Thank God I had the math books with the odd answers to problems in them that I was able to reverse engineer all the math problems on the even questions.
I had never heard of Dyscalculia before this. After looking it up, I at 42, finally understand why math has always given me such a headache to attempt to do no matter how hard I try. THIS MAKES SENSE!!!! 🤯
As I see it, the first mistake everyone makes when approached by an entitled person is to apologize right off the bat. Saying "excuse me" or "sorry" automatically puts you on a social rung beneath them. Also do not say "May I help you?". Again this signals their perceived entitlement as you being a natural servant. A calm even "What do you want?" want not "Need". Don't say it sharply or condescendingly but as a social equal, not as a subservient person begging to make whatever request/demand your quest to make their "Want" your mission to accomplish. When it comes to them purposely mistaking you for an employ, again don't be apologetic, that you aren't, an employee. Keep your voice even and calm, but do not allow them to condescend to you, if they still do not accept you are not their equal, say it direct. "I am not your servant nor am I in anyway your inferior." At this point if they still try to dominant you verbally, deepen your voice and raise the volume slightly making it a command voice, like a military officer. Make it clear that no one is above you on the SOCIAL LADDER especially them. I figure that at some point before this they may have become so frustrated from your not becoming subservient and apologizing, one of two things will have happened, they'll give up and storm off looking for a manager/another victim or they will have attacked you. If the latter coverup and protect yourself as best you can while trying to back away and disengage. If the person did assault you, if Law enforcement hasn't been called, do so or request it. Yes you will most likely take some physical damage, always insist on pressing charges, make sure the police keep you informed of the status and make time to talk to the local DA or ADA handling the case to ensure that if they are going to offer a plea deal, that they include at least 6 months jail time. If nothing else, write a victim impact statement for the prosecutor to consider hopefully before they look at the case. Otherwise try to press them to take the case to court and to push for maximum prosecution that the evidence supports not the maximum possible. Make sure this is all couched in the evidence that this person presents a demonstrable danger to the public and that you aren't looking for revenge. If more people do this, maybe there will be a shift in the "Let's give them a slap on the wrist and see if it curbs their behavior.". To we aren't going to wait and see, but punish harshly now and see if they modify their behavior. Hopefully this will serve as a wakeup to those not so far gone they will behave in a more socially acceptably. If those who are too far gone either through mental illness or socially unacceptable behavior to to drug use, this approach should get them properly classified as that needing help either as a mentally unstable personality with violent tendances or as a candidate for drug rehab and mental health counseling to help them with their addiction. We need to stop catering to this mentality of superiority. The sooner society takes a hardline stance the sooner those that need mental health help get it sooner, and those that are looking to bully their way through life get punished for the criminals they are. Edited for formatting errors, spelling errors and clarity.
That last story is so annoying. The lady was obviously looking for any reason at all to try to get the work done for free and still managed to accomplish that at the end of it despite her being found by cops to have lied and filed a false police report.
If it was my salon, I'd capture photos of her from the security footage and send them to all the salons in the area with details of her scam. Let her try to get another manicure without paying in advance.
Story 2. Im a woman and have always called the bathroom that's in the "master" bedroom the master bathroom and the bathroom that everyone else uses called the main bathroom. Anyone that would read that excuse for a bad review would probably just laugh at it bc that is what the bathroom in the in the biggest bedroom is freaking called. How stupid 🤣 Story 5: how exactly are you supposed to get a manicure done without being touched? You just know she was going to not put her hand in all the way so she could complain that the manicurist didn't do her nails right and they are messed up bc the gel didn't dry properly. Which i don't understand bc yeah she might have been able to get by not paying but then again she would've just wasted her time to get a free manicure that looks like shit. Some people just have no sense not just common sense but no sense at all
Story 3: I go to a particular Auntie Anne's once a week for some pretzels and also occasionally visit an Issei's (an Asian restaurant). They always ask for a receipt when I buy something, and that doesn't bother me, even if the answer is always the same. It's just how it works. If your response to being asked about the receipt is to call the cashier an idiot and useless, you deserve to get banned and blacklisted, because that attitude poisons the air
There’s a sals cheesesteak and a Lucky dragon Chinese food takeout near my apartment. I’m in a suburb of Chicago. Well anyway I was in lucky dragon getting Chinese food. The man that ordered food before me ordered this- Sweet and sour chicken. Also plain chow mein Is told the amount to pay. Decided this: Man: why?! I ordered this and that. Employee: sweet and sour chicken is this price and the chow mein is this. Combined you pay this Used a credit card, storms outside. Returned to get his food after 10 minutes. Gets the bag. Tore it open and said: I didn’t order this!!! Me: sir, that is exactly what you ordered. Sweet and sour chicken, chow mein . So what is the problem? He looks at me. And left pissed. I got my shrimp fried rice and made the walk back. I don’t get 5 steps outside and I see the guy’s wife yelling at him. Saying he’s always rude to everyone and needs to stop being a jerk…. Well this was Saturday. Sunday He’s back. This time at sals cheesesteak. I order my usual of 6 piece chicken tenders, bbq sauce and fries. I’m waiting and watching RU-vid. In comes the douche canoe. I guess he ordered online or call in because he said what he ordered and the woman gives him a bag. She asked if he wanted any sauce or a receipt. He didn’t notice his wife and daughter walk in to watch. He grabbed the employee by her shirt, pulled her toward him over the counter and said If you ever question me again, I will knock your teeth down your throat. The owner heard it from the back and called 911. At the time I didn’t notice him back there. I got up from where I was waiting for my food yelling at him to let go of her. The other employee saw what happened and helped me to shove the guy back to get his coworker free of his grip. Of course douche canoe says: you assaulted me, you’re getting arrested. He turned around to see his wife angry and daughter crying. The look on his face. She walked up to him and hands him papers. Wife and daughter left. He looks at the paper that had a note on it- douche canoe reads it out loud. I gave you a chance, 1 last chance. You always preach you will change, I just watched it. Our daughter watched it. We are done. We are getting divorced. This is a copy of the divorce papers because remember you already signed divorce papers. I signed it and now we are going to take care of that. Good bye jackass. Police showed up. The employees, owner, and myself gave statements of what happened He was put in handcuffs and in a police cruiser. He went from ready to fight, to begging police to call his wife because now he wants to change. I’m actually about to walk there so if I see the owner or any of the 2 employees, I will edit this and share what they say. Story 3 unfortunately happens a lot
@@Denverbroncos87 Wow, some people just never learn, do they? Thank you for standing up for the counter worker; that's what separates the people with class from the people I'd rather not have near me.
I admit I get a little annoyed when cashiers ask if I want a receipt, but there's no point in being rude or throwing a tantrum over it. Who can blame employees for doing their job?
Story 2: I just became a real estate agent and they drilled into our heads that you can't call it a master bed/bathroom anymore because "slavery." :| I can understand that's where it originated from. But honestly, this is a great way to show racism is learned through society. The word had no racism behind it, until she put it there.
This. The most racist people seem to cry racism. Like saying "pick low hanging fruit" is racist becuase picking fruit is somehow a latino thing exclusively. Who is the real racist?
Wow, I never hear other people talk about having dyscalculia! Mine is mixed with ADHD, and I wasn't actually diagnosed until I was in my 30s. I've only had one 'weird' interaction because I have dyscalculia (no one cares about the ADHD except to tell me I obviously don't have it, lol). I mentioned I had it in a conversation about being given driving directions, since physical space orientation is very hard for me and I need clear hand gestures to accompany any declaration of 'left' or 'right.' Some lady butted in to praise my husband for being willing to stay with me despite my, I kid you not, 'disability.' Some people are just weird, man.
Story 1: What a nice doormat...your response should be "They don't have sandwiches where I'm going..muffins or coffee, that's your choice". You're not her mommy.
I'm totally behind everything 0p does. Regardless of her transgressions on her worst day she is 100 times better than the dumpster fire that she posted about
The story of the math student. I also have dyscalculia. I see numbers oddly shaped and backwards so mathematics is difficult for me. I remember being treated like I was an imbecile and that I knew nothing, when, in fact, I manage to test MENSA tests more than once. It's very disheartening to be intelligent, but berated and talked down to simply because you have a hard time with numbers. And when you're a kid, and you don't understand what's wrong with you, it can be something that sticks with you the rest of your life. I feel badly for ALL the kids that have issues with mathematics who are, otherwise, quite intelligent. They shouldn't be treated as if they were stupid, they should be worked with to try to find a way to work with the issue and make it easier to learn.
Imagine thinking you can get someone fired from a job and potentially charged with assault just so you can get a free service! I will never, ever understand that mentality.
Story 1: Yes, uni is hard, in more ways than one- thankfully, if you are frugal and don't care about mouldy food i.e. bread or cheese, and you can find very cheap noodles, you are ok to last as long as you can. Don't scrounge or mooch off others. It's nasty and rude.
Story 4: I will like the guy should go back to that store in the future to tell a manager how he was treated. Though the thought of him making up dishes on the spot is funny. Though being a manager in food service myself, I fell sorry for whichever poor bloke has to deal with the group of Karens.
Story 3: I grew up around people with disabilities and it offends me big time when somebody berates someone with a disability or degrades or bullies them. I was called a “r” word growing up and I hate it, so I don’t blame those who are targeted. Whether you’re a regular at a store or restaurant, DO NOT behave like an entitled or insecure asshole towards someone especially with a disability or you’ll get consequences. Not everybody gets away with this bullshit. 🤬
Op story 4You played the Karen employees against the Karen customers absolutely brilliant the only thing I’d have done different was to watch the outcome from a safe hidden distance 👏😂🤣😂👏
What is wrong with OP#1? Buying a whole breakfast from a distant shop while being a student in class for a stranger is just Way Too Thirsty. Please appreciate me I’m so cool. 🙄 Give to a worthy charity and let perfectly capable strangers get their own food.
On Mother’s Day, my children surprised me with a trip to the nail salon. I had only been to a salon once, which was last year when they took me to the same place for my birthday. It would never occur to me to do this, depriving the employees to loose a sale, just because I didn’t have or want to pay for the service smh 😮.
last story: always take down badges if you can the police tend to just let people go rather then deal with the situation like they should file a report if they just let the abusers go
Story 5: Some people just can't be reasoned with. You MUST listen to the person doing your nails, hair, etc, because they know better than you, and good luck trying to scam them into a free service, cameras are going to shut it down most times
Yes send the camera shot of her to all stores you know and like, so they can also see her and refuse service. Then post it in the store as "no service to be offered", plus as a bonus all the stores you do not like will have her as client.
Story 2. Never Apologize to fools. Just say "Oh well, I'll be leaving now" and walk away. Anything you say will only make a fool angerer. Story 5. Always listen to your gut! If your gut tells you a client is flakey and only looking to cause trouble. You are within your rights to refuse service and ask them to leave. Never Work For Free!
Story 3 reminded me of something that happened to me before i was working i asked a customer hi how are you? Lady turns around looking like someone said something racist to her and said "shut the fuck up before i report you" i just stood there and just said "sorry" lady said "i said shut the fuck up or else i will get your manger"
Story 3. I am a regular at my store, and I mostly decline my receipt but will on occasion take it. Once, the cashier asked if I wanted it whilst she was crumbling it up to throw it away when I said “yes than you”. She said “sorry, lemme print a new one out for you” to which I responded “it’s fine, don’t worry about it” Moral of the story is: just because a cashier knows the customer might want or doesn’t want a receipt doesn’t matter, and even *if* it would somehow matter, it’s *not* something to get mad about, especially not to a degree where you call the worker an r-word… moron Karens, man, they blow my mind with their idiocy.
Karen goes to hell: ".... it's so hot here! Hey! You with the pitchfork! TURN on the AIR CONDITIONING!! And tell those people to stop screaming! Somebody get me a latte! ..... this service is horrible! Get me a manager!!"
Actually fluff, computers don't use master and slave drives anymore. Haven't since we changed from ribbon cables to SATA back in the mid 2000s. Now all the drives are the same and any of them can serve as a boot drive for your OS.
Story 5: Opie, if the video has a clear shot of her, post a screenshot of the Karen from the security cameras in prominent places at the front of the salon, with a caption like "Wanted for leaving without paying and false accusations." If she's local, people she knows will see it.
Speaking of Master cylinders in cars, the master cylinder controls your brakes. However there's a smaller version of it that controls your clutch if you have a car with a manual. Don't even tell her that that's called the slave unit
Middle aged, middle class. Not only is coffee with I have for breakfast, but I make it at home. Gevalia is about $9 a bag, and lasts maybe a week-a wk and a half. So it's maybe a dollar a day, not $5-6/cup for over roasted swill.
If it was to have any impact write on the post that you are wondering if there is a more appropriate name for it as you don’t want to offend anyone and the customers will hand Karen her ass in the comment’s for you 😂😂
@@katrinajoyce6658 Well, Karen is wrong as it wasn't called the Master until 1920 when Sears wanted to sell to Homeowners. Who were often Men, and the "Master" of the House.
Story 3: Op needs to start grocery shopping at the next nearest store, and walk around the Karen until she incites another outburst, and gets banned from there too. I guarantee she can't help herself.
The handyman story: even in those televised home improvement shows, some of the hosts still refer to ‘master bathroom’ while others call it the ‘main bathroom’. Personally when I hear ‘main bathroom’ I think of the ‘hall bath’ or ‘guest bath’. It would be great to come up with a new description that everyone can agree on, but we’re not there yet.
With IDE being phased out for SATA, the "master/slave" drive distinction isn't really a thing any more. However, version control software frequently has a "master" branch, and there are people who react just as crazy as the Karen in story #2 to that. It's astonishing how bent out of shape people can over the smallest things when there are so many other actual problems in the world.
Store policy is store policy until it's changed. Asking if a customer wants the receipt is often standard with many stores. Some just give the customer the receipt after they've paid for their shopping. Why was that girl supposed to not ask that Karen if she wanted the receipt? Why did Karen think that girl was required to remember that Karen always wanted her receipt? Berating store employees turned out to be Karen's undoing, as she is now known as the woman who can't shop at the towns two grocery stores. That seems to be fitting punishment, but could be trouble for the grocery store she then visits. She best be careful or she could get banned from any area grocery stores. When you enter a restaurant, it's a good idea to take note of how to place an order. Buffets often want payment when you walk in. Sit downs have their own ways to order. Did the Karen in that story bother to read any posted instructions about how to place an order or just believe every sit down had the same procedure? The way that guy handled that Karen was the only way to deal with her. When she left her brain at home, thereby her reasoning skills, gaslighting her was the only safe and sane way for that guy to escape. And for crappy servers to get what they deserve, a taste of their own medicine.
Yeah, Dark Fluff strikes again!! If I were a business owner, the minute someone starts shit and won't comply, they'd get kicked out. I think they should start putting up signs that Karen's aren't welcome and will be told to leave if they start any problems, and add a code of conduct that is required for them to receive services. They might also want to add that they are being filmed and any BS will result in a permanent ban from the establishment. As a consumer, I look for signs like that because I'm sick of people's entitled BS! I want a nice, peaceful experience, no matter what I'm doing. I fail to understand why saying please and thank you and treating others with the tiniest bit of respect is so beneath these creatures! I have dealt with Karens numerous times, and I've won EVERY SINGLE TIME! I worked overnight in hotels for 2 decades. That should say it all. They try stuff, and I call the cops when they don't leave. I don't wait for the abuse to start, because I know a Karen when I encounter one.
Story 1: Won’t you please be my doormat? Story 2: As soon as she started an idiotic rant about the word “master” being racist I would’ve left. Plenty of jobs, so why choose a nut job? Be ready to sue for defamation. For slander per se you don’t have to prove damages. @Darkfluff. Great points! I quickly thought of your examples, but missed master and slave drives!
