R6 Lore guy Reacts to "The Worst Lore in Modern Gaming" 

Thank you for reacting to my video! I can’t lie I almost shit my pants when I saw such a big RU-vidr had reacted to my video haha. but you were very kind and fair! Thx for the dope feedback dude!👊

The "nimrod showed off the SAS" comparison is actually perfect to show the issue with stadium. The sas were "shown off" by killing dangerous people and saving lives, not playing live action counter strike

imo The tournament stuff is the most stupid thing they did to Rainbow Six Siege's lore

I absolutely love how there will always be the constant argument between whether Siege's lore is good or bad but both sides will always agree that the stadium was the worst part of this game's history

The Crowd in the Stadium makes also no sense because normal citizen can literally see the Tactics they use. So Rainbow shows all tactics they have to the rest of the World and bad people can just go in the Stadium and see how the Operators work and how the gadgets work

Rainbow six then: prevent terrorism in the world. Rainbow six now: The fuck is terrorism???

Harry dug his own grave with the Stadium, Deimos must have been watching his old squad putting on a show on TV I want to see the excuse that Ubisoft will have next year to explain how Finka returned to Rainbow and went to Auroa

When it comes to releasing new Rainbow Six games, they’ve got a gold mine with the older titles. Simple remasters of them on modern hardware would do really well

The issue with the "key parts" is that they all basically depend on the horribly dumb and convoluted main lore to work in the first place. Also, turning a lore-heavy franchise into a competitive PvP e-sports game is the reason why the lore became dumb and convoluted in the first place. It's basically butchering the stablished franchise lore just because they wanted to bank on the Rainbow Six IP instead of coming up with a new one.

honestly hes right the lore is really bad, hopefully them killing harry is based off a new direction of the lore but its really ironic of deimos insulting rainbow team then "joining the airsoft fight"

Currently R6 is in a weird situation where the lore was at its peek with the White Masks, then it dipped into borderline stupidity with the stadium, then it spiced up and got pretty interesting with Yahatta's death and Deimos, and now things are uncertain with Deimos going to work with Rainbow. Sure the lore isn't perfect, but I don't think that it's "the worse lore in gaming."

I think you're totally misunderstanding his points. For example: 14:37 "Well, they infiltrated nighthaven to gather more evidence" Yeah, which is still a MASSIVE and hamfisted overreaction. He's not saying that it was a revenge mission at all, but that it was a dumb way to gather evidence. I can already picture how Tom Clancy might write this - observing Nighthaven in the field, see who they're working with, who are they working against, who their clients work for, who is suplying them and for what ends - an actual investigation, where you keep your hands clean as long as possible so as not to tip nighthaven off if they ARE up to something. Rainbow's first step was to jump into the hornet's nest headfirst. It IS dumb. 15:17 You're missing the point that the operator whose special skill is to be invisible on camera - was caught on camera. No one cares how nighthaven tracked down the lead afterwards, it's that they got that particular lead in the first place. It's lazy. 16:11 Well, the reason why Rainbow went to nighthaven was to say "I know from your perspective Rainbow has been provoking you for no reason, but please don't start a war with us while we might have a different threat to distract us and divide Rainbows attention. Uh, also, don't get involved." If you were Nighthaven, how might you take that? etc etc etc You're coming at it from the wrong angle. You've got the details of the lore down, but what's being pointed out is the broad foundations of the lore are faulty.

The only "nostalgia" I want is night maps again.

Ngl, I lost interest in the lore before the whole Harry and stadium dumpster fire. Ever since they started making the operators like marvel characters with boring backstories. I grew up with rainbow six Vegas 1&2 and the focus was never on the characters. Bishop and his squad were fairly one dimensional as were supporting characters. The villains had a little more depth, especially in the sequel, but the thing that made the Vegas stories so gripping was the feats of tactical prowess rainbow performs. In other words, large incredibly dangerous terrorist groups plans get thwarted by the most elite counter-terrorism military group stopping them. None of this character bickering, politics and over the top backstories. Focus on the threat and how rainbow deals with it, not on which character has beef with another.

you just brushed past nokk getting caught on camera

18:35 Yea gameplay is gameplay for a reason, thats like asking unironically how Mira can carry around 2 big ass one way mirrors or how Ram can carry 3 mini tanks that shred the floor under it and basically anything in its way, yea like sure they use their gadgets in lore too, but thats not really the same since they are setting up safehouses or just showing them off, unlike ing where mira can run around and just pull a black mirror out of her ass whenever

The game lore is cringe

The lore is bad and u know its bad when the best part of the lore is sam fisher

I will agree on some aspects. Yes, the stadium threw a wrench into the game. On full display to the public? They're covert operators. Not gladiators. Nokk is my favorite character for her lore. The infiltration of Nighthaven, stealing data, was a hit and miss. Yes, Nokk is caught on camera, which is counter to her ability. Kali knows it's Rainbow, but she doesn't ask the former Rainbow operators, now on her team, what they know of Nokk? That brings into question, loyalty. I figure Rainbow is so large, and constantly active, most operators would not know each other intimately. Maybe remember a face and a name, but not much beyond that. Considering Nokk normally works alone, and her bio is largely classified would make it possible. At the same time, that doesn't mean ALL the operators don't know Nokk. What if Smoke and Ela and Pulse saw Nokk's image, recognized who she was, but remained tight-lipped, or just lie to Kali, saying, "I don't know who this person is?" Which brings into question, are these defectors truly loyal to NIGHTHAVEN?

They just asking for a terrorist attack on that Stadium with allowing the public to come in and watch. Its kinda crazy dangerous to put such high tech military equipment and operators all together in one spot with thousands of randoms around them.

I don't get this idea that the Stadium arc has to define Siege until the end of time. I ended up jokingly likening the game to an anime at one point and said if it's an anime, the Stadium Arc was pretty mid or at least borderline filler and that's okay. They shot the guy who came up with it on screen. I don't think they can get much more direct with what they're trying to say than that.

I think a lot of the problem with how people understand the r6 story is that its all so spread out. Theres comics, 2d animations, cg animations, text blurbs, etc etc etc...but not all of it is even in game, and the stuff that is is not always at the forefront. I have a bit of a similar problem with apex, but there they at least try with the treasure pack quests and all the legend interactions. Over there, you get both the what and the why just from playing the game. In rainbow? I just have to piece it together unless im actively looking for it. I think this just leads to a lot of confusion.

I don't feel like the video is "missing key parts" I think it's trying to summarize the story as fast as possible while also pointing out things that just seem weird or outta place. Like Nokk getting caught on a camera or harry being a self insert for the writers to "fix" the story. If you need dive into the super micro details of a story for it to make sense or be "good" it's doing waaaay too much. (especially because they didn't even care about the lore for like a year or 2)

"basically a rip off of Talon from Overwatch." Comparing a self interested PMC to a terrorist organization that wants to "make the world stronger" through starting a global war is just ridiculous.

Not only does showing off a secret counter-terrorism unit in a stadium reveal their tactics to the world and enemies. It also gives terrorists time slots as to when they can commit their acts of terrorism unmolested by team Rainbow. Also civil war plot is pathetic and childish.

I’m glad kudos reacted to this.

They should’ve gave up on the lore a long time ago, it’s horrible.

The thing I hate most about lore is changing what rainbow was about they used to be a secret organisation every operator never had a identity you where just a blank face among many others

It’s a nice attempt of a defence but even with added context the story is still a bit silly stupid I’m sorry

18:30 I mean.. Nokk is missing, Ash was in coma the last 2(?) seasons (poor ash mains), you can literally play Grim and Nokk in the same team like. Grim: "Where is Nokk?!" Nokk: "Main Lobby" Grim: "Okay :) " And when we start more nickpicking.. Why we cant _burn down_ some walls? They are literally out of wood and we have 3 Operator with Fire Gadgets and when i see how big the fuell canister is on Goyos Trap. "Yeah about the Objective.. MAYBE some things get out of controll." *Burning Chalet in the background*

The books, Tom Clancy wrote are beautiful, and I highly recommend you read at least one of them. When I bought siege, I loved the counterterrorist aspect of it, but as they transitioned to this tournament style law, it lost my interest, hoping with Deimos they’ll revert back

Night Haven, Rainbow and Deimos stand united against a common enemy. *THE RED TEAM*

I was on your side until you called Siege a, 'Highly functional multiplayer game."

Deimos is literally the reason why I got back into Siege. I kinda wish he didn’t get captured so soon, but other than that he basically was my reason for reigniting my enjoyment for this game. I kinda didn’t like the “esports arc”. The whole stadium part of the story is kind of why (as well as the balance changes that followed) is why I quit for like 2 years.

I wish they had voice lines at the start of rounds depending on the characters you choose kinda like overwatch. Like if you pick ash and kali they say something to eachother, or maybe if you kill pulse as hibana she says something short. Not voicelines that would clog up your audio too much but just a little something. I think it would make more people interested in the lore, most of my friends that have been playing for years have no idea about the lore of the game.

Honestly I think the best way for siege to move forward, is to have the ranked 5v5 be the main game. But periodically have events which are like story/campaign that progresses the lore. One example I think they can take inspiration from is the outbreak event. The event can be a pve/narrative based.

For years, I jokingly said Siege was becoming an anime; but thanks to the corny Netflix-style animations and ridiculous world building they’re doing with the characters, I hate to be indirectly correct in that statement.

nokk got detected on cam lol

My headcannon to explain the crowd is that the crowd are soldiers of each operators home country

I'm sure this video called "The Worst Lore in Modern Gaming" will have nuanced and good faith takes.

Operators 'being the same height' because its a game and 'bleeding' because its a game feels like a totally differnt thing to 'okay so these simulations dont make any sense at all now'

the real question is, how does this all tie in to the arknights collab. Asking the important questions here 🤔

The Deimos part I mean is no different than you playing a fighting game like Marvel Vs Capcom and having a Hero with a villan on the same team (Like Dormammu and Ryu) and then going by lore "Oh those 2 would never work together that makes no sense", lore might have some small impacts on game, but they shouldn't at the same time and that is the case for most games with such themes like Hero's and villans. Awesome video Kudos!.

I always imagined the audience in the stadium as veterans or currently enlisted members of military/CT forces Would make sense they'd go and watch their fellow comerades in arms compete for their homelands

Saying that they messed uniting lore and gameplay is a bit silly, consid ering masterchef is in the game. Think of every other game with "lore" that doesnt correlate to gameplay (warzone, fortnite, apex. Ecc)

He clearly doesnt know what hes talking about considering he compared nighthaven (the private organisation) to talon (the terrorist organisation)

The public competition thing has a real world parallel, SWAT and worldwide CTU’s compete in the the International Swat team competition is a yearly event, the 2024 one actually happened recently

Of course kudos thinks the lore works, his whole channel is based off of theorizing bad siege lore

so glad im not the only one pulling my hair out over this video

His joke about being a Copper rank in a previous video definitely hinted at himself being a Copper rank lore guy

The lore has been ass shit for a long time

Just a random question but how come we can't play the other stadium map, I havent checked custom games I guess but I haven't seen the other stadium map since the event

Blood did not digest the R6 comics and it shows

Dude's a pokemon fan. What would you expect?

I disagreed with that video until the new comic came out

This is literally just “wow, the lore really is shit. But I can’t admit that so imma do mental gymnastics to glaze up my favorite soulless micro transaction filled power creep game”.

Thing is. He says "worst lore in modern gaming" but tbh, it isn't even that bad, far from it. Because of deimos the lore has kicked back up, Hell, the only reason why i got INTO the lore was because of how badass he was.

these are fair points to make, but I think the video was made from the pov of the average player.

i was thinking of you when i watched this video

jynxzi in the top left is hilarious

Deimos joining Rainbow is definitely something you can’t overlook. “It’s something to overlook” is a wrong way to justify a guy who hates the group, to join them. We didn’t get to play Harry, so I don’t see why they had to add Deimos.

Bro is glazing Ubisoft for their catastrophically terrible story, lmao.

15:50 The fact she was caught on camera at all is the point here. I haven't read the comic so maybe they have some super advanced cameras that were designed to get vigil and nokk on camera after they were on team rainbow but if not then her being noticed on camera is his point. The only reason grimm would have a clue who did it was bc they saw nokk on cam.

Your critique is super valid and fair. But in my opinion the lore of R6 is bad. Back in the day i was so invested but from the moment the scripted videos stopped and Harry/stadium and the animated videos became a thing i haven't been interested whatsoever i just play tje game because of the amazing gameplay. I still love the characters but the lore nowadays isn't my priority. And i think thztd the same for a lot of people

the stadium stuff definitely was to cash in on esports but its not like competitions for groups like these don't exist UAE has a SWAT competition for teams around the world

This lore sucks because nobody dies, only non operators which is lame, Idc about white masks or even plot at this point cause the amount plot amour every character has is crazy.

i liked the stadium stuff and the cinematics, never thought much about the public being witness to this kinda secret group didn't cross my mind

bros defending the worst lore ever

Siege lore > Overwatch lore any day

Rainbow Six Siege is a Tom Clancy game. Tom Clancy has been known for his amazing story telling in books with action packed sequences and high stakes. He has enough books to keep people on the edge of their seats for years. I can't imagine how disappointed he would be at the direction they went with this game, I don't think he would've even allowed it to happen if I'm honest. The main issue I have with you calling the White Masks "just another enemy" is the fact that the White Masks are more of a realistic threat. That is what made Tom Clancy books AND games so intriguing and engaging, because the stories they told were actually possible and some of them were based on real events too. I love rainbow six and still play it but I absolutely hate the story and how it feels like high school drama BS every time something in the story happens. There are no stakes, nobody important dies, Siege has turned into a giant cartoon.

simplify lore can make any game looks bad, the last of us for example: joel gets the job of delivering a girl for a group, they get to the meeting point and nobody was there, his friend tess dies and he continues his mission, he finds his brother and continues his mission, he finds the group and decides to kill every one and make all his journey meaningless

as per the audience, I vividly remember in the first cinematic with the stadium harry mentions that the audience consists of other operator and Special forces Colleagues and rivals to witness the best of the best first hand

I understand why most people don’t like the stadium lore but I enjoyed it. Imo the gadgets were already getting out there and stuff like kali using a sniper doesn’t make sense so i just enjoyed the cinematics that came with it The whole nighthaven thing seemed a bit too drama driven but again I enjoyed the cinematic so yeah. Either way i chalk up both to Harry’s mistakes, hence why he splits them into groups leading themselves.

“Erm actually 🤓☝️” ahh video💀

I don’t really play R6, so take what I’m about to say with a giant pinch of salt. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to want PVP and PVE in the same game. We’ve seen what happens when Ubi tries to branch out PVE into its own separate game. And games like Destiny have been pulling it off (with varying results) for years. So if they’re gonna stick with Siege, why not bring on a separate dev team to focus on PVE content? They already have the tools and platform to host it. Especially since they’ve already done PVE stuff before. So they have the systems like the AI, already made. But I guess you could argue that it would be a lot of resources used. And that they probably wouldn’t turn a profit unless they made it paid DLC. Which most people realistically wouldn’t buy.

4:32 if thats harry's idea for the base they could have just done it all on hereford since it has all of the logistical bonuses too

Iamlufa is pretty much spot on for the first part of the lore until stadium, and kudos is right with stadium mainly sucking due to it having a crowd and it being heavily tied to esports. Lufa is still right with Harry being a tool for the devs making story changes and it is a part of the bad writing of siege. The "small details" kudos mentions about the mission of nook getting caught is all bad story telling, the point lufa made was that on a camera, she had been found. What her identity is or grims use of force for info isn't what lufas talking about, and this same problem is all over the lore. Some things in this lore could have been changed like the purpose of stadium and nothing else would change chronologically but the story would have been better, the same can be said for nook being replaced with literally any other operator and it still would make sense and be a better story, the writing is bad, but it's because it's lazy, not necessarily because the devs are trying to ruin it or for political reasons yet.

Tbh one of my least favorite points made was when he commented on nokk being seen, because in game nokks Ability is 20 seconds long and she was in there for more than 20 seconds, but the stadium point is agreeable

18:11 his criticism is how the lore doesn’t match the gameplay AT ALL, not just some gameplay mechanics. Having demos and nighthaven be playable with everyone else makes the relationship between the story and the gameplay more akin to super smash brothers than a lore driven shooter. Its not the same as gameplay mechanics being unrealistic.

I don't know if you'll see this, but as much as you're right about the skipped lore hurting the critique, Lufa touched on a concept that he didn't voice, which you missed (and I don't blame you, since it's not often named): suspension of disbelief. There comes a point where bad writing causes a person to stop caring about the lore, where they can no longer suspnd their disbelief. After that point, it doesn't matter how good the writing improves in the future, that pain point that's impossible to believe makes everything that follows impossible to believe because the good part going forward is still based on that thing that can't be believed. Lufa felt this way with the stadium (crowds, that was what he riffed on the most), and quite frankly, that's where I stopped caring because I don't believe that decision was something that could be made in that universe. We all agree the crowds were the dumbest idea ever. That broke suspension of disbelief for me because the crowds literally shaped the characterization and decisions of forcing Nighthaven and Rainbow to intermingle. Lufa didn't voice it, but I got the feeling that's what he was most annoyed about (and explains why he showed such disregard for the rest of the lore going forward). Because the large crowds and celebrity status things are so impossible to any realistic scenario that anything going forward makes no sense because it's based on such a nonsensical decision. What would have realistically happened is as follows: Rainbow sees a new threat, doesn't want Nighthaven to cause a war, so they hire Nighthaven and agree to Kali's terms to intermingle. Rainbow buys the stadium for the actual benefits it has (and puts on an inflatable roof to keep eyes in the sky off them), but still keeps the Nighthaven and Rainbow teams separate for real operations. Rainbow would only lose the members who don't care about being hired by a potential enemy in the future. So not all the ones who did defect. Sure, Ela has a huge, sometimes bitter, rivalry. But would either of them intentionally put themselves in the position to kill the other? Because that is what happened. Anyway, realistically, Kali would have never shot out Ash's ear if she wanted to convince people to join her. They wouldn't be on the same team, but instead choose members to trade for practice on occasion, with most training being about facing against each other in order to find where their current strategies fail. And why didn't Ash go above Harry and demand he be removed and replaced with the crowds idea? That would have been more in character, would it not? Again, who cares what happens after the crowds, exposing identities, forced teams, etc? Everything after that would have gone differently and should have gone differently. And if I may criticize your final argument to close out my opinion on suspension of disbelief: If the game really is that separate from the lore, the lore should be dropped. Rainbow is already the FPS version of Smash Bros. so why bother making Rainbow Six lore if it's going to contradict the game? Deimos' lore contradicts the gameplay, you admitted this. So just add Deimos without the lore. When it comes to being a video game, either the lore matters enough to explain the gameplay (what ops are available on the roster to practice together), or it's not worth having. It would save Ubisoft some payroll to perhaps hire better devs for bug fixing and making better gameplay. Well, that's how I see things. I don't know anything about most of the Smash Bros. characters, but I enjoy the gameplay and don't need to know why Link and Mario are in the same stage that fills with lava. It has its own lore separate from the games it takes characters from. Just re-label it to Tom Clancy's Siege and make a PvE Rainbow Six game if Rainbow lore matters. But they won't; any excuse not to spend money they don't feel they have to spend. It's corporate greed at work as far as I can tell.

I'd love if they continue referencing other clancy titles. I'd like if Ghost Recon, R6, and Splinter Cell keep crossing over in their stories. I Ubisoft, but grew up with these games so if they do that they are much more likely to get my attention.

THANK YOU FOR REACTING !!! I NEEDED THIS DISAGREEMENT

No tv show or movie that has multiple seasons/sequels will be perfect writing wise, they have to change bits to fit the narrative. Writers are human and will make mistakes, they forget things and add subtle changes. Here's an example. In How I Met Your Mother, Robin tells Ted in Season 1 she was never good at sports and gave a heartfelt speech to him, yet later in the show. We found out her father wanted a boy and she played Peewee Hockey. Anyway, Siege is a 10 Year + game where they add so they don't have a story driven arc, its like Kudos said it's in battle passes and comics ECT. Also they had to find a way of adding all these operators to the game that made sense, Such as Sam Fisher. I started playing Siege in 2016 and I never knew there was a lore for years I just played but when I found out I was invested, its unpredictable and keeps you thinking what will happen next, I think Deimos is going to join Rainbow not as a member but they use him for the dirty work, things the others aren't going to do. hes their gun and they use him, For all we know, Deimos was working as a pawn for a much worse person. maybe the mastermind behind the White Masks or even someone new. Ubisoft have a habit of linking games, We have Splinter Cell in Siege and there was a Siege mission in Ghost Recon Wildlands. These games are all under the Tom Clancy banner and can be linked as we've seen. Maybe there's something coming that links the game more and Deimos is just the beginning. Sorry for the ramble it's 01:00 and i'm on a night shift..

Hah! I got that vid in my recommended about a week ago. I intended to watch it, but haven’t had a chance.

I think the tournament is a play off the actual warriors competitions that happen where different special operations military and police face off

The argument about how lore affects pvp like what operators can be on the same team is so silly. Imagine if you applied the same logic to a fighting game, like imagine looking at DragonBall Fighterz and thinking "why can you have freeza and Goku on the same team?" or some shit like that lol

personally i always felt like the audience in the Stadium vid were people who went to a "gaming event" under false pretenses. Like i always assumed that Harry had, like, advertised the event under a cover story, claiming it was all some kind of evolved tier airsoft/lasertag style competition event, and had instructed the operators to not hold back, but to keep to their cover of "its all a game". but anyone that showed up to the event, who SHOULD have known the truth, WOULD have known, because behind the scenes it was showing Rainbow off to the world, like you said in the vid, just not to general public. (Ie, if like, the President was watching or something he wouldn't be rooting for his favorite player like the average audience member, he'd be saying "hmmm, this team is quite good." etc etc etc) idk if that makes sense to anyone else, but its always been how i explained away to myself. lol.

I’m a very “brain off enjoy lore/game” guy so I get why people don’t like the stadium era I just find it cool and hype. Its kind of like, bringing real life Pro League siege into the lore of siege, or paying omage to it. Edit: Alright maybe i should actually watch the video before opening my mouth lol, i get it now

The people who hate on the stadium actually overlook the fact that stuff like that is held in real life. I believe last one was in the emirates with over 30 countries

I like the lore, but the new comic is really... eh. Most of the ops wanna see the life drained out of Deimos' eyes. Having him train with them (indefinitely, even?) just feels wrong

“I’ve been looking forward to this” - count dooku

I had this video come across my recommended and I was nitpicking it because I’ve been watching Kudos for awhile and knew he wasn’t doing siege justice.

I also take massive issue with the handling of Deimos as a villain. He's hyped up for what? Like a year? Then is captured IMMEDIATELY at the start of the next year, it's absolutely stupid that the BiG bAd EvIL gUY is just dumpstered immediately. I am of the opinion that the stadium can work... through the eye of the spectators being other spec ops units being able to support their country and operators and learn from them in a more "relaxed" setting

While I do agree that the Stadium arc was the worst of the R6S Lore arcs, I still enjoyed a bit of it and I didn't actually see a ton of blacklash against it until the next year with the next Stadium cinematic (the one involving both Ash and Kali). That being said... this is coming from someone who's personal favourite R6S RU-vidr is the RussianBadger... a former R6S youtuber who the R6 community knows as the weirdo who did the stupidest strategies that look like they came from Battlefield or COD (even in some of the esport like events he participated in) that goes against what Rainbow 6 stands for.

I want to see a want mask event driven event. Kinda like an outbreak event. But white mask centered.

Let's be real, it is filler and nonsense. Siege's lore is poorly written post 2019

bro is meat riding a multiplayer shooter lore

Bro Operation Nimrod demonstrated that SAS would fk you up if you messed around in UK. This esports shit is horrible.

As much as I hate to admit it i think hes mostly right besides the weird talon comparisons. Siege just isnt as interesting as the other games in the series or even other titles like splinter cell. It doesnt help this game has most of the plot out of the game which i find to be lame whenever its done

You keep saying that there are little things within the lore that the original video seems to miss out on or skip entirely. But that’s the POINT, to the casual fan, the lore isn’t worthwhile getting into because of how bad it is. No one wants to know the nitty gritty of your story if your story is bad to begin with