Rabbit R1 Is Just An Android App.. 

Almost as like... No that cant be possible..

They use cloud AI to do stuff

@@sp123 Yeah, but it's funny that they don't even use their own solutions, instead opting for OpenAI. So you are nearly entirely are paying ridiculous prices for a really bad device.

@@raremc1620Using a pre-made model is going to be much better than to build their own on top of the rest of the things they claim to work on.

they had an outage on the chatgpt servers, not the api servers. so very haha, but irrelevant unless rabbit is scraping chatgpt for an api. ps no fan of the r1, just funny how everyone is an internet detective but doesn't know how to use the internet to investigate their beliefs 🙃

I mean... Holly shit

COME TO JUICERO

big yikes, burry the R1 and AI pin

What an age we live in…

It would be good for people who can't have a phone or for kids to learn on.

@@americansoil8260Up

@@americansoil8260 thats true, also Japan loves their gadgets like the tamagotchi, also i remenber the pokewalker being kinda popular outside of Japan, but it has to have the right price, also i think it would be a niche product.

Guess what? If they made an app, they will be directly competing with a bunch of first-party voice assistants, and I bet manufacturers will find ways to block/disadvantage them.

​@@andyhu9542also couldn't interact with other apps on Android like Spotify. The metas horizonOS is just Android launcher as well, but people buy it for the VR Hardware

Depends how good your marketing is; some might say, if you can get millions from dumb venture capitalists then who cares how garbage your actual product is 😏

I'm working on my own app with exactly this strategy, and it's saved me thousands of hours and dollars, so yeah i can attest to that

If its a real ai startup: good! Fake chat gpt wrapper: BAD

Naw, we're in such extreme hype right now, anything with AI in the name will get millions thrown at it immediately.

Thing is, most of the future successful non-AI products using AI are the one that already exist without AI. Like Jetbrains now offering AI.

I would say there is something wrong with releasing a product that would run perfectly fine on a mobile phone and pretending it's unique just because you wrap it in a casing that looks different then a mobile phone. Its built to be nothing but a full on investor scam because no investor would pay as much as they got for the Rabbit if they knew it's could of just been an android app.

It is wrong stop excusing trash

Agreed. The fact that this was an app is the most minor of the issue I have with this whole situation.

They called it powerful rabbit os

Not a business model that will scale well 😅

Credits are cheaper then monthly subscription

@@kzalesak4 yeah but it is a good assumption for how much openai assumes someone who pays for an ai product will use it for, we don't really have good data on how many api calls would be used in a month so we can't determine the credits cost, but it would probably be a bit cheaper

I seriously doubt they have one sub / user, most likely they made a proxy API mutualizing all users' calls

Oh yeah pretty good "business model" and the owners are not insane

A phone does this right? Always when you talk about something and you open google.. you get adds about the stuff you were talking about. Not always! But it happens

​@@Gingerlion777that's simply not true at all. The code for the mic is available right there in AOSP for you to look at. Security researchers check this stuff man. It'd be a big big scandal if that was true

​@@Gingerlion777 What are you talking about? You're contradicting yourself in the span of one and a half sentence. Anyway, people had done some experiments about this (Verge, if I'm not mistaken). According to their results, it's not that they use the mic. It's when you browse websites and hover your cursor over certain links or images. It's when you're doomscrolling and you pause on certain ads or posts. The way you crawl links. Every single character you typed into websites (even ones you backspaced off). Your phone's _other_ sensors (GPS, body activity, etc). Those things are processed by _the_ single best ad-serving algorithm in the entire planet. They don't need your mic for that.

Ya playing the game Rust will prevent of thinking about this crap AI products..

Well clearly theyd be still fighting borrow checker instead of shipping code

Rust was already the backbone of this project - what do you think the "R" in "R1" stands for? Even more obvious considering rabbits are blazingly fast

they speak of AI being able to be goal oriented, yet it can't use an APK like a user uses via scanning the screen doing computing vision and then clicking on it, heck, if it used some sort of testing framework automation to use stupid Apps it would already be a better product. "it tells me that either the investors have no idea what they are really investing in or the startup founders are really great liars" its both

yeah, if I had to build one of these that's how I would have done it. my question is - how did they get their hands on the apk? lol

The CEO spent the last 3-4 years Lying to an NFT community he ammassed with lies, then lied to them about making an NFT game with AI npcs, then opensourced the unfinished game without any of the ai npc part and then renamed the company to Rabbit INC (so yes, Rabbit INC still holds the rights to the NFT's, its still an NFT company just renamed)

If they manage to fool investors into giving them money, then startup is succesful.

@@user-df5ym9dv5g For the purpose of getting the quick bag? Then yes. For the purpose of building a sustainable longterm business? I doubt it, but time will tell us.

As much as techbros try and pretend to be above the tribalism that plagues the rest of the world, they're just as bad. We're doing new thing now and you better get on board. Don't be a MKBHD.

viewers accidentally stumbled upon communism, had to end it right there.

Noooo cómo se te ocurre criticar al capitalismo 😢😢😢

I don’t understand why the game couldn’t just pull the resolution information from the device?

@@MrAdamo my guess why all Nokia apps were in absolute sizes is that the OS had to be very limited in order to meet all of its requirements, so every nonessential feature was removed. That's prolly also why photos were labeled incrementally (picture00, picture01, etc) than with the timestamp. Also in order to fit the app on screen you need a scaling algorithm to correctly fill the screen. And all of this complex stuff was pretty much pointless since the most used resolution was 320x240 anyway.

@@MrAdamo TL;DR:Because it's a very old system that had to run with extreme limitations to fit on a small device, so they removed everything that wasn't essential to use the device.

*makes yet another AI assistant* "innovation :D"

For us cultured fellows, NTF means something else entirely. But yeah. AI-designed psychedelic mushrooms sounds quite lucrative.

That's an insult to Tomagotchi everywhere! An AI Tomagotchi would sell more units than the R1!

I mean it's a good way to always listen to your conversations typically android would have to you grant permissions for that.

Neural networks/fuzzy logic was just a theory until late 90's.

@@woldemunster9244 but building capital and talent to pursue new growth opportunities wasn’t.

I like "small Large Language Models." ;P

Makes more sense to get a high quality standalone music player than a standalone Siri though

In South Africa, $12 is literally 4 Starbucks lattes damn

But the problem is that STT is already done locally on most modern smartphones, what's the point of having a separate device to do the exact same thing. It's also going to the cloud 99% of the time whereas modern smartphone assistants like Google Assistant and Siri do a lot of stuff locally. The Rabbit does not come with a plan, you put your own sim into it. The Humane AI pin does come with a data plan but they are also charging you a monthly fee for it and it's vendor locked. Also, you can already do smart home integrations with your phone.... just use an open source alternative like Matter or Home Assistant, maybe even something like ITTT if you don't want to go open source. These are all already solved problems and devices like R1 and Humane are just dumb alternative solutions that make absolutely no sense.

@@CHUCKNORR1S Well local STT is not that great, unless you count something like Whisper or say OpenVoice(aka mozilla) STT which are in a legue of its own and aren't really fast on phone hardware. So having something like a dedicated NPU do the heavy lifting for the top-notch fast local STT can be great for this use-case. As for local integrations, i was implying using say openhab+rhasspy kind of thing in tandem with this thing(aka basically using it like a "batteries included" speech interface to the system), which would enable you using low-power no-gpu setup for your smarthome hub with voice assistant.

tbh I would use r1 if it could be more useful. Like understanding how to set reminders and alarms with full customisation of dates, recurrence, etc.

That's basically a modern smartwatch

Hi my name is Judah. And I was kinda wondering what exactly you were looking for in a product from a person with sight disabilities. I have expertise in the area of machine learning and artificial intelligence. I'm super interested in your need set.

I think the way to go with the Rabbit R1 is make it very accessible, maybe through an API, so people can get into it and make their own applications for the device. Then let them share these apps in an open source way and suddenly you attract a lot of tinkerers and hackers that make the software better while the hardware is provided by teenage engineering.

Lmao what a rube

That makes it even worse, tbh. Thanks for the e-waste, guys.

So….. everything we have already

Still waiting for the "useful" part for having "AI" on phones.

Playwright. They generate Playwright actions using the AI and run them in Docker containers. It's clever, but also not crazy hard to replicate. It's clever because the only money they need to pay is when using the AI once for each custom user action, and can run them multiple times without involving any AI again. Problems arise when a service updates their UI or UX :)

Yeah. These features are better if they are built in the os rather than being an app.

Last Google I/O was heavily focused on AI. Can they add more bullshit? Of course.

I don't expect to be impressed by theirs either.

m$ copilot is free

Right so google will spend 2 seconds integrating that functionality in their phones and this entire product/company is dead. Also you got to remember that their "LAM" is pretty stupid and pure pr hype. It's just an OpenGPT Model which they mildy tweak functionality of to add hooks to apps. Hook to apps is something we could do at least 10 years ago with bluetooth devices and assistants like amazon echo. To claim that it an exclusive thing they developed is bs.

It really doesn't. All the app should do is take microphone input, send that to the server and wait for a response. Everything can be processed in the back, and the only involvement of the AI is to generate the Playwright actions; rest is just running it in a Docker container when the user triggers it.

even if it was just gpt wrapper, it costs $200. So at $20/month of openai subscriptions, you'd recover the cost in 10 months. This is ofc assuming they're using openai gpt4

@@phoneywheeze9959 they are using open gpt 3.5 from my understanding. Also who will actually use this thing for 10 months. finally they can always change their payment model in the future this is just the initial scam price.

Open source means anyone and everyone can use that resource, even those with a lot more resources capable of actually doing something with it. Part of the reason why closed source exists.

@@Leonhart_93 It's not as simple as you may think. Almost all of these come with different licenses, that posit different terms and conditions under which said code can be used and redistributed. Pretty sure M$ did not care about that one single bit.

@@nowave7 It's a possibility. But then part of having rules that work is having the ability to enforce them AND the ability to detect when they are broken. Otherwise counting on the benevolence of the users just ensures that the machiavellian ones will come out on top.

@Leonhart_93 Not for your own closed source program. Most open source licenses require any program using it to also be open source. Also not all public repos are open source to begin with. AI is working in a grey area where using software as training data isn't treated the same as using it directly.

@@matt66146 Yes, because they can't detect it, which means they can't enforce it.

At least Kindles have an actual use-cases. It's lightweight, not as battery hungry and the screen is great for reading-and perfect for cases where you don't want to give your kid a smartphone for one reason or another. This however has nothing that couldn't be an app with a few tweaks to the UX. It's cloud-based, has worse battery and hardware, and doesn't bring anything new hardware-wise.

It's weird how you are ok with products being only being good in the ceos imagination. The product isn't star trek it's a crappy device built entirely to scam investors and run away. They are not innovating anything they are using OpenGPT the same thing the majority of AI companies are using. Plus they are even lazier then Humane because at least Humane has some interesting gesture and hand detection tech, this is literally old crappy android phone that only runs one app. The first iphone wasn't revolutionary because it sold a metal box and said oh well we will have xyz features later. Was revolutionary because it already have all of it's features developed.

@@404maxnotfound you're right this product is trash.

yeah. if you're linking your account, apps like Spotify and uber probably have an api which would be much more easy and efficient to use rather than scraping

The crazy part is that he said that they probably lost money on each one made