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Racal IR772 PIR - full examination 

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For 40 years I've been working with PIRs.
I have quite a collection of old ones from the early 80s.
This is the RACAL GUARDALL IR772 - MkII
In this video:
Examination, PIR lens pattern (red LED) and Walk around
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@stephencleaves
@stephencleaves 2 года назад
Back in my early days at Modern Alarms / Group4, I seem to remember seeing a "technical bulletin" regarding this detector and how it had a "bug" that caused the device to go into "alarm" at a preset time interval, thereby causing false alarms ? Hence why we only used them for a short period of time before moving onto a different model/brand. Keep up the brilliant video's, so interesting and a delight to watch and remembering the "good old days" of being an "alarm engineer".
@What_The_Fuck_Did_I_Just_Watch
@What_The_Fuck_Did_I_Just_Watch 2 года назад
I love those animations and simple but detailed explanations in this It makes it so easy to understand and interesting
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Thanks very much... thats what I do best... explain stuff so anyone can understand it :) thanks for the comment
@ersonthemesa
@ersonthemesa 2 года назад
Beautifully done Matt, as usual.
@arialarms7994
@arialarms7994 2 года назад
I absolutely loved the video! Well done!
@alarmmuseum
@alarmmuseum 2 года назад
Love it! All your videos are always well edited and detailed
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Thank you very much:)
@jakemcintyre4820
@jakemcintyre4820 2 года назад
When we moved into our house we had the MK 1 versions of these, one in the back room, and one in the lounge. I don't know how old they were as I don't know the dates the MK 1 version was manufactured, but I presume pre 1983 if thats when the MK 2 came out. I know they were MK 1 as they had the dark lense cover on show, similar to the Gemini P.I.R. detector. When I was little I used to love setting the system and seeing how far I could creep slowly past the detectors before they alarmed, and if I was slow enough I could do it! I did fail on multiple occasions though and I remember annoying my mother with how much I was setting the alarm off! I must of been a very patient child as I could spend up to 10 minutes just trying to creep past one detector! I don't remember them being as undersensitive as you say though- at least ours would activate with 2 steps most of the time, I remember them being sensitive enough thats for sure. We never had any bother with the tamper either. They eventually got ripped out in 2010/11 when the house was partially rewired and my parents chose to opt for a wireless system (biggest mistake ever, I have got them back on wired now don't worry!) But I can honestly say, in the whole time they were installed right from 1980 something all the way until they were ripped out 12 or 13 years back, we never ever had one false alarm. I think probably for a combination of reasons, two being the reliability (in our case anyway) and the fact they were my childhood detectors, these are my all time favourite P.I.Rs ever. I have got 3 new old stock ones, and when I move out you bet I will be fitting them in my own home! Such a shame the racall guardall name is gone.
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Wireless has it's uses, but if you want a 'proper' system fitted without all the problems with radio jamming, replacing batteries, PIR 'sleep' for X minutes after being activated, and other issues, best to wire it. Takes much longer (and it's a complete skill set to hide the cables), but in the long run much less problems and maintenance! And you can use ANY detector, rather than having to fit only the manufacturer's own range of wireless products. Oh, and then there is veris**t and the 'we must sell XX of these systems per day, all with expensive monitoring charges that we won't let our customers cancel out of' type systems, that they promise can do X,Y,Z, but after they've got your money and it falls short of expectations, you end up ripping it out!
@dykodesigns
@dykodesigns 2 года назад
The tamperswitch is a typical card edge connector, very sensitive to dirt and corrosion. It looks like the designers had to cut cost somewhere and decided to do it there. Just like old game cartridges you need a lot of Isopropanol Alcohol to clean these contacts. They seem sensitive to oxidation. Cotton swaps drenched in alcohol work quite well here.
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Thanks as always for your input - yes, corrosion and dirt created these high resistances over time. And very interesting you mention the old game cartridges that have that 'guiding slot' so it plug into the right place! Problem is, service engineers that correct these problems often don't have alcoholic wipes and stuff to clean these contacts up, and mostly it's more profitable to replace the detector instead!
@steve45678
@steve45678 2 года назад
Had these installed in my previous house for twenty years, and never had a problem with the tamper circuit contacts, also if I recall ours had a slightly different base fitting for mounting the sensor unit in the corner of the room.
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
I still know of a few around the corner from where i live that are still going strong! This guy is not having them replaced as they are now encased in the coving in the corner of the room! (Plastered in!). It'd ruin the decor to replace it!
@rbus
@rbus 2 года назад
I have a ton of PIR sensors cheap and a few pro-emd (and a few FLIR devies too) but I'm replacing most with some of the microwave motion sensors that are ridiculously cheap. Also picked up a few outdoor and indoor motion sensing lights. The indoor do an absolutely amazing job of sensing me through walls and before I'm even in a room,, literally through walls. "Farpoint 7500 Lumens" at my grocery store for $20 but they seem to sell under different names.
@irechopshop
@irechopshop Год назад
The 771 was one of 5he first PIR, before the 771 we only had the option of Ultrasonic or microwave, compare the size of the 771 with an Ultrasonic detector the tamper problem was only occasionally, we are taking about early to middle of the 1980, a lot if 5he panels at the time involved relays and key switches, the PIR of choice after the Racal 771 was the Cerberus IR 6
@mrsecurity
@mrsecurity 2 года назад
WOW! Awesome Video, I now have a full set of these, the MK1 which has a Proper tamper switch, and a blue circuit board, the MK2 which is the same as yours, and the MK3(I think) which has an extension board on top to help with the wiring resistance. These are my favourite Detectors, I love the look of them installed. Keep Up the great alarm videos 😁
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Interesting information. I had a couple of ir772s but a long long time ago. Thanks for your comment
@umbrefawx
@umbrefawx 2 года назад
should do more of these videos, love the lift videos of coarse but always had a thing for older security equipment. shame can't get ahold of anything that old around in the us. miss the older retro stuff. I got a big ass ultrasonic from the 1970's but thats about it as far as older stuff.
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
I also have a large ultrasonic which was shown in the 'how a pir works' video. I often see lots of old stuff appearing on ebay based in the US, but it's always REALLY expensive. Can't see why people want so much for old gear like this, but there must be people that are willing to pay the price I guess!?
@umbrefawx
@umbrefawx 2 года назад
@@mrmattandmrchay yeah if a lot of it wasnt so expensive wouldn't be so much an issue. But we do have a lot of young enthusiasts amongst us though. Thanks for the videos though, havnt had one I havnt enjoyed yet.
@dead.format
@dead.format 6 месяцев назад
Ive got one ofnthese but it has a dark cover over the detector. Yours if you want it ?
@KJ7BZC
@KJ7BZC 2 года назад
I love those old PIRs you have, hard to come by now. Great demonstration with the led showing detection zones, I still think that's a really good way to show it. Are you still servicing alarms for a job?
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
I actually work mainly with Access Control systems, but we still do alarms. I'm a techy guy now and engineer trainer, so I'm not "on the tools" anymore. Yes, that red LED was from the insides of an HID reader - it's the only 2mm LED that I could find that was bright enough (very difficult to solder wires on to it because it was so small!)
@KJ7BZC
@KJ7BZC 2 года назад
@@mrmattandmrchay Ah very nice, I think I may have talked to you about the Software House access control systems before. I got one a while back but haven't been able to get the proprietary software for it. I'm going to be applying for a job at a local alarm company soon, so if all goes well, I'll be dealing with alarms in the field as well as access control. I'll have to try that led thing with some of my PIRs, I have a Sharpshooter somewhere that may work well for testing with. I wonder if a small laser diode would work ok for it as well, may come out a bit brighter.
@angrycatowner
@angrycatowner Год назад
Very interesting tear down of a PIR. What is the purpose of the white cover on the PIR?
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay Год назад
Thanks! The white cover simply seals the unit so nothing can get into the optics (lens). For example, as these are mostly installed in the corner of rooms and spiders love hiding behind them. If one crawled through the front and directly in front of the pyro-electric sensor this is bound to cause a false alarm.
@DanielMeakin1
@DanielMeakin1 2 года назад
Brilliant video. This sensor is very interesting how it works
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Thanks Daniel :)
@richardwilson2447
@richardwilson2447 2 года назад
Does anyone remember the racal 738 I believe they were the predecessor to the 772. Modern alarms used to use them and used to make a loud click when you walked by
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Were these in a metal case, with a red 6v lamp on the front as the walk test LED, and yes, a proper clicky relay inside? It was about the same size and shape as the 772, but the window went all the way across. I may have one - video coming soon!
@richardwilson2447
@richardwilson2447 2 года назад
@@mrmattandmrchay yes it looked quite grey and lens kinda curved if I remember rightly. I have a picture of one but don’t know how I can upload it on here
@zeno2712
@zeno2712 2 года назад
@@richardwilson2447 The 738 replaced the 732, I think. The original ones were a brown colour but they were later painted a cream colour.
@adamwheeldon
@adamwheeldon 2 года назад
love the alarm videos
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Thanks
@maxinepirotta5122
@maxinepirotta5122 2 года назад
Hey how can I buy your merchandise pls
@baelevatorsmore728
@baelevatorsmore728 2 года назад
Always interesting to see how one of these works. There’s a PIR installed in my living room and I love to mess around with it. The alarm system it’s connected to isn’t armed though so it’s not like I’m really triggering much. It does turn on a little light in my parents room though. (Which I believe is a ceiling mounted sensor/alarm status monitor)
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Be aware, that even though the panel is off, opening a detector will trigger a tamper warning (which is normally just the inside sounders and keypad). Panels over here that are graded, will 'lock' the panel and an engineer will need to reset it. "Audible only" (as we call them) should allow a user code to reset a tamper alarm though. Weird about the remote LED/status monitor though, could just be a 'all zones clear' indicator that lets you know when the system is ready to be set? But never seen one that isn't part of a keypad.
@jp-alarms
@jp-alarms 2 года назад
I have one now
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
cool, nice! black or white window?
@jp-alarms
@jp-alarms 2 года назад
White
@jp-alarms
@jp-alarms 2 года назад
Sorry for late reply lol haven’t got chance to check the comment
@BMcKenna
@BMcKenna 2 года назад
More like this mrmatt 😀
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Got plenty more of these coming up. Thanks for the comment
@tiozaodobusao3747
@tiozaodobusao3747 2 года назад
Make a vídeo of cs8 sirens again Because i want to se If the sirens are in ther location. And make a siren test video
@tiozaodobusao3747
@tiozaodobusao3747 2 года назад
And one some thing, the L or BS siren was one of my favorite sirens
@abpsd73
@abpsd73 2 года назад
I can't stand devices that have the "jumper" style tamper switch. You'll be up on a ladder and accidentally drop the cover, causing whatever the jumper is to become ejected from the cover upon impact, and nearly impossible to find.
@thedjer9190
@thedjer9190 2 года назад
Moorreee pls!
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
I have many more... just have to edit them
@tonipeters4543
@tonipeters4543 2 года назад
If you have the "Instructions" it tells you that the 772 is a DUEL element sensor. (It's predecessor, the 771 was only single element.) You are right about the configuration of the tamper connections, but I never had any trouble with them going into tamper. I do think you are being a bit "unfair" because the 772 was one of the first PIR's available, so yes it did have a limited view, yes it had no anti-creep, but it was good for its time. If the PIR was secured to a wall, no coin is needed to remove the front cover, you grab it by the sides (one hand) and gently pull. The MK2 did have one advantage over the MK1, it had a white window, the MK1 had a dark window, the reason was to prevent white light (car head lights) setting it off, but then it should not be mounted looking at a window. The "back plate" was originally an optional extra, it also angles the PIR down by 5 degrees. Keep up the good work.
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
All very interesting information. Although this is new, I don't have the instructions. Also I was unable to find any info on the net about it. But it's always interesting to hear from someone who knows more about them. The tamper switches were from mine and other engineers experience of them from when I first started work (1989). They were a lot more common back then. Even worse, most domestic alarm panels back then had a common tamper circuit for all devices (all in series). Made high resistance tamper faults even more difficult to find! You had to put a multimeter on the tamper circuit then go round all devices tapping them with a screwdriver to make the resistance fluctuate to find which PIR was giving the tamper issue. These were far more common when the house had ir772s!
@zeno2712
@zeno2712 2 года назад
"the 772 was one of the first PIR's available, so yes it did have a limited view, yes it had no anti-creep, but it was good for its time" I can only agree... (See my main comment here!) 🙂 It was a long time ago now and a lot has changed.
@publicmail2
@publicmail2 2 года назад
Radio Shack sold these under a different name Safe House and weren't to bad for the day. I used this inside my car and with windows open it didn't false with its low sensitivity.
@mrmattandmrchay
@mrmattandmrchay 2 года назад
Yes... I remember Safe House very well. In the UK these were sold in Tandy, which was the uk version of radio shack. The intruder panels from safehouse were really weird with only a few leds and push buttons.
@alarmmuseum
@alarmmuseum 2 года назад
I have a CQR Type C with Safe House Security on the front, do you think it’s linked to those panels?
@nelsonahlvik6650
@nelsonahlvik6650 2 года назад
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