Race, Trauma, and the Doctrine of Discovery | Mark Charles | Calvin University 

😳It amazes me that your response to this man and his subject matter is that!??? Are you sure you paid attention? smdh

I agree, strange to hear a native person talk about "faith" and "the Church." It just doesn't fit. Colonizer religion, not true spirituality

Don't blame God - he is the Creator off all - those so called Christians who don't don't show love are to blame - keep your way and speak your tongue - one day He will return whats yours.

@@mikalusluciano723 Biblically, what happens to the souls of all Indians who lived before colonization? Interested to hear yr thoughts

I get you.

So are you supporting his independent campaign for President 2020? The change we need will not occur without risk.

@@marymyers8706 I don’t support over racists

@@davids9422 I'm assuming there is a typo here? Mark Charles is not an overt racist. The word racist isn't a great word for expressing what what Mark is doing. Mark often says "we need to decenter the white male." That isn't racist because he is referring to our system of law and culture which, in fact, does center the white prosperous male. Mark also uses the phrase "white land-owning male", which is a obstacle to some modern day white-landowning males who can't see themselves past that identity. Perhaps they are offended to hear that from someone who does not look white. Perhaps they would like to retain that privilege and keep BIPOC marginalized or away from the center of power in the US. Or perhaps there is a fear that if we decenters white prosperous males, others will push the white prosperous males out of their privileged powerful positions. Perhaps white males worry that they will be oppressed or just lose out because others benefit. What do you think? I have personally heard Mark say, more than once, that the intent of his vision is NOT to oppress anyone. Thank you for your response. I do not know your particular reason for thinking he is overtly racist. The above reasons are just what I've encountered. But I have met white males (don't know their income level) who also support Mark.

@@marymyers8706 yes it was a typo, auto correct to be more precise. Your comments are not fact, they are your opinions. Your comments, as are Mark’s, racist in the extreme. Thanks for your reaponse

@@davids9422 Thank you for responding. It is great when people differentiate opinions and facts to facilitate communication. A simple statement, "I don't support overt racist" is a fact. Claiming something, and in specific, Mark's and my comments, to be "racist in the extreme" is an opinion. If you elaborate on why you have this opinion, it may hold more weight with me. But as it is so far, you haven't explained why you think they are racist. Racism is manifest in different ways and I don't view any of his comments racist, but I went into a lengthy explanation of how I heard people seem to be antagonized when he speaks about "white land-owning men". That is the closest to racism his comments get, yet that everything he says about "white land-owning men" is not directed to a path of oppression which is the basis of discrimination. You do not elaborate. When a person claims racism, it is usually pejorative and requires Explanation for any kind of communication conciliation. I tried. I am assuming you don't want to.

In jesuit literature .. Doscovered mesns to de cover ..so as to re.cover assets in Christ .. Chrost is a double book entry system accounting for the credot we owe our mother for her labour...this accounting is taken up by Rome ...acting as accountant s for all mothers and her assets ..ie the wombs assets and the account recievable it creates

And nz

And South Africa.

I'm from Perth - Yep, you got it Ken.

@@caleb7660 By law, not by individuals. #MarkCharles2020 @wirelesshogan

I did not post "@ Peregrine 345 fly. Nor do I recognize "By law, not by individuals." Just putting that down for the record, and can't imagine how it happened. I don't speak Spanish and today was the first time I heard La Rasquina. Lol, I would never! It took me a while to translate the lyrics. I don't know what that even means or what it is referring to.

Jesus said not to mistreat the slave ur religion ur god ur jesus demand blood for ur sins not mine.i would not worship a god that loves you cause ur sins killed jesus. I had nothing to do with ur myth jesus and his mythology of crucifixion. Its barbaric and ill moral.

Stella Bella seriously don’t call yourself an Christian anymore Jesus never called us that he called us His Children! Paul called us Christians and Paul aka Saul was an European and mass murderer! I am happy God blinded him!

@@davidkaul4854 Hi David, I'm not sure by your comment if you believe Jesus existed or if he is a myth. I struggled A LOT with the fact that Jesus had to die in order for us to be saved and excepted by the Father. Yet, when I see the things I do and say that can be hurtful and selfish I clearly see my sinfulness/unkindness towards others. I find comfort in Jesus and in reading/studying the bible but like you there's still so much I don't understand. The more I read/study and pray about the more the Holy Spirit teaches me. I have to admit I am a slow learner but grateful that God is a patient teacher! As a side note, how did you like Mark's history lesson? How have you been taught US History? I am in my 60's and I didn't learn of the Internment of the Japanese until I was in college!!! Take care, David. Jo

@@whitneyforte4223 Hi Whitney.... are you happy that God also gave him new sight, physically and spiritually?

@@SherlockJo is hard to be normal human I guess, traumas are really bad I understand but why keep giving another human credit for his fiction. Humans are great at creating fiction and getting others to belive in it (money, marriage, making Dimond official gem of weddings, socialism, capitalism, etc..) all human made and just culturally accepted based on faith of trusting one another. One man has opinion on how the world should work, so he projects it, and its up to me to subscribe to it, and everything human projects out of his had is only his opinion. So yeah religion is first human social doctrine, only with God and no science to fill in uneducated gaps.

None of this makes any sense to me.

Horrific 😔

Thanks, I'm gonna read the book

I would be happy to be a guest on your show. My contact info is on my website - wirelesshogan.com

That would be awesome to hear.

Truth

Amen!

. . . when there was no positive relationship to begin with. . .

Thank you

You can contact me via twitter (@wirelesshogan) or my website (wirelesshogan.com).

debate about what?

what he is talking about above.

*Matthew Haverkamp this is simply about 'right and wrong' here, that even babies understand when growing up? The facts of this whole (continued) situation is that man invented these decrees (DOD's)... Not their God? If their God did create them, well then prove it? Let's see, feel and breathe this magic? These statements wiped-out millions of peaceful, beautiful human-beings that were created in (supposedly) their belief's Gods very own image? Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not kill? A bit contradictory of its own teachings? I dare you or Ben Shapiro walk into any gathering (Schools/Uni/Workplaces/Courts etc) today and state: 'Anybody here, who isn't a Christian is a lesser person than those who are and we now claim what we wish from them?' ----> Let's see how far you get? I believe Ben Shapiro wouldn't debate for or against if he is a 'know-it-all' for the establishment, simply because if he was a man of integrity all he could possibly do is only make assumptions for a justified outcome, and 'hear-say' still cannot justify murder? Meaning, I don't think he would save your cause, whatever it may be... Now, why would it be so different today for you to discriminate so blatantly? Hhmm... Or... Why was it so perfectly fine to do this for centuries, but now the rules have been changed? Simply as Laws have evolved and unfairness/inequality is bullshit, that's why? But this is just only on the surface... What about the foundations of these Laws? The foundation Laws that created such (above) 'privileges' for some humans to justify control over other humans, suits the systems we have in place today. And nobody wants to give up those privileges. Nor would the foundations of 'Civilized Laws' wish to be undermined as it would be catastrophic as it would undermine every Law on the planet and create a domino effect, thus the fall of empires. I personally think it's inevitable. It will unravel itself, and it has already started. The foundations need to be changed to bring the totality of 'humanity/beauty/love/family/equality/fairness/honesty and respect'... Not to claim and use a God, or a belief to justify control, theft or murder? No amount of money or materialistic hoarding will save such people, they do not even know where they are taking us ALL and our future generations, even their own children whom they say they love and care for... This isn't a debate for Original Peoples, we already have our own Dreamings, anyway how does one debate mass psychosis?

Shapiro isn’t qualified to debate Mark Charles.

Recently, with the arrest of Paul Rusesabagina and Kugame's 'We are neither Tutsi or Hutu' promotional campaign, I recognize how much more we need to not just pretend that the US is color-blind or has made great strides toward equality since the 60's, but we really need to acknowledge the inequity of health, wealth, and treatment between our marginalized population and the centered community of power.

And we don't have to do this like Rwanda. We can do this better. A conciliation starting with conversation. #2ndCupofCoffee #tcc2021

@@marymyers8706 That's illegal inside Rwanda. But since the Rwandan police murdered the Tutsi gospel singer Kizito Mihigo a year ago, for continuing to use his fame to promote the equal value of Hutu, Tutsi and Congolese lives and deaths, Hutu and Tutsi outside (and a few now-incarcerated inside) Rwanda, have been conversing more without placing the other side of the story in a "basket of deplorables".

Exactly!

They never designated Africans as persons at all. You are correct.

I really appreciate what you shared I feel that what you shared was very enlightened Thank you

We should go back to Europe, won't be a minority there

He's talking to the nation of Israel only in these passages, as you well know

Mark talks about the generational trauma that comes from our ancestors' past. Chapter 11: in #UnsettlingTruths speaks of the Complex Trauma of the American Story.

No, I don't think we are rejecting God. We are rejecting a view of scripture that demands everything in it be an accurate portrayal of God. It's not. Far from it.

God demands nothing ,wants nothing, needs nothing . The God in these old books is not real .Half of it was made up ,half of it was written by men. If God would say one thing to humans now ,she would say .. "You have got me all wrong".

@@stephenmills7061 Only half? Whole, for sure! The truly operant word would be inspiration. The most relevant question is "By what or whom does inspiration derive ?"

Wtf

did you find an answer to your question? It sounds like the disfunctional relationship between the General and the soldier, based on codependency.. my guess is how army have functioned ever since ..

Dear, Perhaps you never got the memo. G_d returned the Jews to their homeland 🇮🇱 just as G_d promised to. G_d stands with Israel. Try actually reading the scriptures where G_d gives the Torah/Tanach and the 10 Utterances to Mosche and the Hebrews/Jew/Children of Israel on Mount Sinai. G_d specifically told them in no uncertain terms that neither they nor any of their descendents all through time are to never veer to the right nor left of the Torah/Tanach. Never!!! G_d also told them in no uncertain terms that neither they nor any of their descendents all through time are to never accept anybody else's religion. Never!!!! G_d warned us about Christianity thousands of years ago. The Jews don't accept "Jesus" because G_d told them not to. G_d gave specific details to the Hebrew prophets about when the real Messiach comes . No one especially "Jesus" has fulfilled any of them.

​@@terryulmer969 stop deceiving yourself, you are all fake and being staged while passing for jews with no resemblance and connections to the Hebrew people. There's no such thing as a Jewish people, there's the Hebrew people whom you have no relationship to. Keep deceiving yourself thinking it will hold for ever, lie has no foundation therefore collapse it surely will.

@@heiustheus2904 Christianity is the big deceiver! Christianity is the fake religion that has been deceiving so many people for thousands of years. Mainstream Academia and Christianity does not teach the truth and the real history. They only teach you what they want you to know and think.

@@heiustheus2904 Yeshayahu 43: 1And now, so said the Lord, your Creator, O Jacob, and the One Who formed you, O Israel, "Do not fear, for I have redeemed you, and I called by your name, you are Mine. אוְעַתָּ֞ה כֹּֽה־אָמַ֚ר יְהֹוָה֙ בֹּרַֽאֲךָ֣ יַֽעֲקֹ֔ב וְיֹֽצֶרְךָ֖ יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל אַל־תִּירָא֙ כִּ֣י גְאַלְתִּ֔יךָ קָרָ֥אתִי בְשִׁמְךָ֖ לִי־אָֽתָּה:2When you pass through water, I am with you, and in rivers, they shall not overflow you; when you go amidst fire, you shall not be burnt, neither shall a flame burn amongst you. בכִּי־תַֽעֲבֹ֚ר בַּמַּ֙יִם֙ אִתְּךָ־אָ֔נִי וּבַנְּהָר֖וֹת לֹ֣א יִשְׁטְפ֑וּךָ כִּֽי־תֵלֵ֚ךְ בְּמוֹ־אֵשׁ֙ לֹ֣א תִכָּוֶ֔ה וְלֶֽהָבָ֖ה לֹ֥א תִבְעַר־בָּֽךְ:3For I am the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I have given Egypt as your ransom, Cush and Seba in your stead. גכִּ֗י אֲנִי֙ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ קְד֥וֹשׁ יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מֽוֹשִׁיעֶ֑ךָ נָתַ֚תִּי כָפְרְךָ֙ מִצְרַ֔יִם כּ֥וּשׁ וּסְבָ֖א תַּחְתֶּֽיךָ:4Since you are dear in My eyes, you were honored and I loved you, and I give men in your stead and nations instead of your life. דמֵֽאֲשֶׁ֨ר יָקַ֧רְתָּ בְעֵינַ֛י נִכְבַּ֖דְתָּ וַֽאֲנִ֣י אֲהַבְתִּ֑יךָ וְאֶתֵּ֚ן אָדָם֙ תַּחְתֶּ֔יךָ וּלְאֻמִּ֖ים תַּ֥חַת נַפְשֶֽׁךָ:5Fear not for I am with you; from the east I will bring your seed, and from the west I will gather you. האַל־תִּירָ֖א כִּֽי־אִתְּךָ־אָ֑נִי מִמִּזְרָח֙ אָבִ֣יא זַרְעֶ֔ךָ וּמִֽמַּֽעֲרָ֖ב אֲקַבְּצֶֽךָּ:6I will say to the north, "Give," and to the south, "Do not refrain"; bring My sons from afar and My daughters from the end of the earth." ואֹמַ֚ר לַצָּפוֹן֙ תֵּ֔נִי וּלְתֵימָ֖ן אַל־תִּכְלָ֑אִי הָבִ֚יאִי בָנַי֙ מֵֽרָח֔וֹק וּבְנוֹתַ֖י מִקְצֵ֥ה הָאָֽרֶץ:7Everyone that is called by My name, and whom I created for My glory, I formed him, yea I made him. זכֹּל הַנִּקְרָ֣א בִשְׁמִ֔י וְלִכְבוֹדִ֖י בְּרָאתִ֑יו יְצַרְתִּ֖יו אַף־עֲשִׂיתִֽיו:8To bring out a blind people, who have eyes, and deaf ones who have ears. חהוֹצִ֥יא עַם־עִוֵּ֖ר וְעֵינַ֣יִם יֵ֑שׁ וְחֵֽרְשִׁ֖ים וְאָזְנַ֥יִם לָֽמוֹ:9Were all the nations gathered together, and kingdoms assembled, who of them would tell this or let us know of the first events? Let them present their witnesses, and they shall be deemed just, and let them hear and say, "True." טכָּֽל־הַגּוֹיִ֞ם נִקְבְּצ֣וּ יַחְדָּ֗ו וְיֵאָֽסְפוּ֙ לְאֻמִּ֔ים מִ֚י בָהֶם֙ יַגִּ֣יד זֹ֔את וְרִֽאשֹׁנ֖וֹת יַשְׁמִיעֻ֑נוּ יִתְּנ֚וּ עֵֽדֵיהֶם֙ וְיִצְדָּ֔קוּ וְיִשְׁמְע֖וּ וְיֹֽאמְר֥וּ אֱמֶֽת:10"You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and My servant whom I chose," in order that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be. יאַתֶּ֚ם עֵדַי֙ נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֔ה וְעַבְדִּ֖י אֲשֶׁ֣ר בָּחָ֑רְתִּי לְמַ֣עַן תֵּ֠דְעוּ וְתַֽאֲמִ֨ינוּ לִ֚י וְתָבִ֙ינוּ֙ כִּֽי־אֲנִ֣י ה֔וּא לְפָנַי֙ לֹֽא־נ֣וֹצַר אֵ֔ל וְאַֽחֲרַ֖י לֹ֥א יִֽהְיֶֽה:11I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior. יאאָֽנֹכִ֥י אָֽנֹכִ֖י יְהֹוָ֑ה וְאֵ֥ין מִבַּלְעָדַ֖י מוֹשִֽׁיעַ:

They are indigenous to the various countries of Africa they were stolen from.

R Wolfgramm no Africa does not have the patten for black peoples we are the first people to the planet not just Africa, all black people originating in Africa is suto science.

Not Steve Are you for real do you not know all the continents was once together and close there is black dna and skeletons that are 100,000s years old in the Americas, I think I might know since I have two degrees in American History. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Maybe you consumed too much European colonizing history, check yourself.

Not Steve Well everyone doesn’t play in the land grabbing game as others do some people and groups simply feel like being human we all share what God has given us, the creator. Some are ignorant and believe they can own the planet and privatize it and murder and kill might be those people from the mountains and caves who don’t know God or love and compassion. They are of the Devil they loose at the end of t he day.

Not Steve lol 😂 you are a troll it’s documentaries right here on RU-vid about it, hold on.

Contributions? What type of argument is that. Based on whose culture are you speaking of "contributions"? You mean to the culture you accept or the natives contribution to their own society? Your thinking is actually what the issue is. Your perspective of contributions is based on your acceptance of forcing your ways on other people's culture but you believe in the first amendment right? And who taught the colonies how to farm this land Sir "Contributions". Your history is your legacy and guess what? You condone people pirating others lands when they are weak militarily so maybe you will witness the same thing done to you. And let's see if the conqueror's soldier letters to their commanders describes your contributions in a glorious way! And who takes the statements of people of injustice to describe another people anyway?!

PEDRO you just trying to start arguments? Cause this comment is ignorant and sound like a hillbilly wrote it..

Our land, our labor that is the involuntary “contribution” my people made. Our food, our medicin s, gold & silver. The Iroquois contributed their form of government. Without us the Europeans would have all died. Without us Americans as we know it wouldn’t have existed. Does that answer your question?

He’s what we call an A4/ aborigine autochthonous American or black Aboriginal Americans adherent .They are an african American group who claim that Americans Indians / native Americans are not the original inhabitants of the Americas and instead so called African Americans are really the indigenous people Columbus meant when he landed . They also claim the trans Atlantic slave trade is inaccurate and is a conspiracy used by white and mainstream academic to hide this indigenous identity . If you search RU-vid for african Americans ain’t african or Dane Calloway you will get more resources on this . See source below theoklahomaeagle.net/2019/07/02/98-of-african-americans-are-in-fact-native-indians-and-are-owed-millions/

Danielle Salas - To top that off, what a lot of people do not know is that Benjamin Franklin got the 'idea' for the U.S. Constitution from the speech Onondaga leader Canassatego gave in 1744 to the colonies, to unite like the Five Nations (now Six Nations) had done. Franklin used the Iroquois Confederacy model to create his "Plan of Union" at the Albany Congress in 1754. Canassatego used the metaphor "Many arrows cannot be broken as easily as one" which inspired the bundle of 13 arrows held by an eagle in the Great Seal of the United States. To this day, the Iroquois Confederacy still lives under its own constitution & democracy. The USA would not have its constitution & democratic ideals if not for the Iroquois Confederacy. The USA should be grateful & not treat the indigenous people like subhumans. Link: www.pbs.org/native-america/blogs/native-voices/how-the-iroquois-great-law-of-peace-shaped-us-democracy/

How is he twisting it and what is this "something" you think is far, far worse? I ask because you allude to 'worse', but do not explain. I do not see, hear, or have any evidence of Mark supporting anything bad, let alone worse than the Doctrine of Discovery.

​@@marymyers8706He now believes his ancient Native religious beliefs are satanic and evil.