Will be 'bus passes' next. Wants to take away everything from the pensioners to pay for illegals 😮 they mean more to them than us. Thanks for voting Labour. You must be pleased now!!
So she has done the right thing? Why are M Ps still getting the Allowance why are they allowed to claim 3,500 plus for there Gas & Electric . Why are M Ps able to claim for a second home . Why do they rent out there home and charging rent etc. Why do they rent a property then claim money back from us tax payers. The System is very bent.Every MP are ripping off the Tax Payers of this Country.
That's a very simplistic view, and you've missed out some key facts. Not to say that there isn't exploitation, but you should balance your statement so it's not all as 1 sided as you make out.
Taking the winter fuel allowance off pensioners while keeping their £3,400 allowance towards their heating costs is absolutely dispicable, they can also claim petrol/fuel expenses, all this on an 86K pa salary, they should be ashamed of themselves!
It’s the only universal benefit for any age group regardless of income, it’s not a fair system it’s just a bribe the Tories used to get votes from old people
Yet you didn't seem to mind when the Tories were taking money out of the pockets of single mothers and working families to pay your energy bill while they sit there in the dark with no food.
SO why are MPs still going to get there winter allowance offfffffffffffffffffff £ 3500 EACH NOT £100 as pensioners are getting DISGUSTING DISGUSTING DISGUSTING
There are limits to what MPs can claim We do not provide unlimited amounts of funding for utility bills either for an MP’s constituency office or secondary accommodation. Utility bills are one of a variety of business costs provided for through an MP’s Office Costs or Accommodation budgets. MPs must spend carefully to ensure they do not exceed these budgets, and if they do, they are required to make a repayment. Business costs are necessary for democracy to function IPSA was established to regulate the public money provided to MPs, as well as make sure MPs are appropriately funded to carry out their jobs. This is fundamentally important for democracy: without sufficient funding, MPs would not be able to focus on the important work of supporting and representing their constituents. If MPs had to fund this themselves, only independently wealthy people could afford to become an MP.
Every government building should have their heating turned off twice a week to pay down the £22billion don't make the pensioners the only ones with hypothermia
The latest figures show it is actually costing up to £21 million a day to keep the illegals. That's over £7 billion a year. Labour have said they will save £1.5 billion by cutting the fuel payment to 10 million pensioners. So we now have confirmation that they don't give a toss about us Brits as long as the uninvited guests are warm and well fed and 'protected'.
So let me get this straight, the people who get money from the taxpayer can have more money,while people who have managed to save and never take any taxpayer money have it taken away? Also, did she say most pensioners are millionaires????
She didn't say that most pensioners are millionaires. She said that pensioners are more likely to have assets worth a million or more. Which is a fair point, as you get older you get more wealthy. If you can't afford the bills then you ought to be eligible for the credits and winter fuel payments. But there will be a grey area so they need to deal with the "cliff edge" issue
People that work & save get no help because they have worked & saved but if you don't work & don't save you get everything for free. These 2 Doughnuts are the reason this country is in such a mess .
@stuartregan1627 people who are born into wealth might not necessarily have worked hard. People who rented all their life as a single earner are also disadvantaged It's not as black and white as that.
its not that fecking complicated . Of course there are a higher percentage of millionaires over 65, and fine sure they won't miss the fuel payment, but there will still be millions of pensioners on basic pension who will not be eligible for pension credits who will suffer.
I filled in the questionnaire on the government's website and I don't qualify for pension credit. It asks what your income is, not what your outgoings are. Ok, where can I make savings so I can now pay my energy bill? Cancel luxurys like a daily newspaper and subscriptions to magazines like New Statesman. Guess I'll have to find a job, but having had 2 heart attacks in 12 months that will finish me off. Which will save Rachel Reeves £10,000 and the cost of all my medicines. This is a case of Buyers Remorse. Did Labour say pre election they were going to target pensioners?
@@roseanncampbell3168 You've been duped, I'm 73, single and on housing benefit, last winter I received £500 in energy support, above the standard £200 because of my income is too low, but as I understand it, this winter I will receive NOTHING, yet my sister in a similar situation will because she is on pension credit, pension credit tops up their income to the same rate as my standard full state pension, so her income is exactly the same as mine, but I won't get help when she will, do you consider that to be fair ?
They waste people’s tax money and she cuts the pensions money basically. So why is she allowed to claim her energy costs on her home on top of her huge salary? Do other people have their bills paid on if they work. So on another issue, let’s build those migrant homes in labour areas and hers. Also if they have to give illegal migrants homes ( which l don’t agree with) why don’t they give them the old council homes/flats and move those uk residents in those council homes to the new homes. Otherwise it’s not fair at all.
Well the Politicians will be nice and warm wont they ? We have 9 months of cold freezing Winter weather in Britain what the hell is she thinking to do this ? Elderly People will just die of the cold and many others will suffer
They’re taking it away from pensioners who should be able to afford to heat their homes. Those who can’t should still receive it. There is huge, huge intergenerational unfairness in this country, and taking away public money from those who shouldn’t need it is one small step in the right direction
@@J-wm4go.So the ones that can just about scrape to pay their bill without the extra help as long as they dont have a bit of a cake for after their tea if its taken away are ok then. Ur priceless.and must be one of the lucky ones.
Stop energy companies from doubling prices during winter and this would be fine with me, but there are so many already suffering during winter and deaths from the cold weather, this should not ever happen in a modern country as wealthy as the uk.
the energy companies are still making a fortune during the summer months while the government is spraying the skies ever day to cool the temperature. why do you think we have had such a rotten summer ?
Bingo. The answer is freezing or cutting the energy price cap not shovelling state subsidies to energy barons to keep prices high (which is what the winter fuel allowance is)
The uk has the lowest state pension in Europe along with Denmark. Now it will be even lower, in a time when fuel bills are still very high! Many poor pensioners will not get P.C. and will now lose WFA!! This is 6th richest country in the world with one of the lowest pension rates! Why!? Why not go over Amazon for tax instead!? I won't vote labour again!
Through two world wars brits did not flee to other countries although many children were relocated to the countryside. I wonder why Ukrainians are not engaging in their war effort.
HANG ON A MINUTE! If there is an argument that winter fuel shud b restricted/means test. WTF r MPs getting winter fuel payments FUNDED BY THE TAX PAYER. LABOUR UR ON A VERY SHORT LEASH.
My elderly Mum has planned to have enough money to pay the service charge on her flat for x years (she is frugal but her pension doesn’t cover her bills so she’s going into savings all the time). She’ll worry about having her heating on during the winter now.
I worked 45 years, live in a 2 bed council house, because i paid so much NATIONAL INSURANCE over my working life,i am not entitled to help including pension credit, this is totally unfair and needs to be changed , people who never work get it all handed to them on a plate, that includes people who have come to this country, i have saw videos where people from other countries given a house , no rent no gas, no electric to pay, qnd they had the electric heaters on 24) 7, and burned the cable box, HOW IS THIS FAIR, I WANT MY FUEL ALLOWANCE. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@Eltener123How dare you! Tell a working class man to work hard and smarter, what have you done, a billionaire!? The 200 is not a charity from you, it is what he deserves for his life long contributions to this country!
4:30 "I don't think that's regressive". So, how is cutting a benefit to a large group of pensioners not regressive? It seems to me by definition to be regressive. As for the supposed targeting of the poorer group of pensioners, will they be getting a corresponding increase in fuel allowance? I'd like to bet they won't get a penny extra. Remember it was the politicians that allowed the energy companies to make and keep obscene profits at the expense of their customers. Politicians ought to be in politics to make people's lives better. They plainly don't. They act like they hate the electorate.
I am 71 years old and have no savings left due to sale of company I worked for with minimum redundancy pay, followed by Covid, I therefore rely on winter fuel payments. If I don’t receive help in cold weather I will spend my what is left of my pension on a choice between food and heating. I totally agree with means testing however.
BRITISH GAS >..Chris O'Shea's pay package for 2023 is £8.2 million, consisting of an £810,000 salary, a £1.4 million annual bonus and £5.9 million in long-term bonus, pension and benefits.
congratulations to all those pensioners that have voted tory all this time & especially for tatcher, bet you're happy now that all the utilities were sold off because the market would provide! (raw sewage in the rivers & high pay for CEO's)
As I will not be receiving my winter fuel payment I shall start budgeting on how I will cope without it , 1 cooked dinner per month as things are now . As these politicians don’t care about people like me , osteoarthritis in my hands and legs but cannot claim benefits . I will have to get more part time hours . Retired 2 years ago …. Politicians s-t houses …..I hope they , one day realise what they have done to the British tax payer ….then again probably not …
@@carlcassidy185 Good luck to you, if, one day, you are reduced to this number of £££s. Evidently you, like the members of the political establishment and their lackeys, are not in this situation.
@@hellsbells7271 Did the winter fuel allowance cover pensioners increased energy bills ? It wasn’t just energy , but the cost of food, the the quality of food, and much more, and that is why the Tories were voted out of office. In the present circumstances, I think a fair decision has been made .
We give away billions in foreign aid , but take away from pensioners who have worked and payed into the system all their life. How many more times can the so called leaders of this county kick us in the guts.
The definition of "well off" is anything above £218 per week (PC threshold as an individual), perhaps for journalistic integrity you could try living on that for a few months over the winter period and then tell us that pensioners are in a better shape than everyone else. This decision on Winter Fuel Payments will drag hundreds of thousands further into poverty, congratulations Chancellor, job well done. I suspect that this will not be the end of targeting pensioners to achieve spending reductions as they are such a soft target.
They aren't a soft target. They are more likely to vote and far more politically engaged (due to having more time on their hands) than working age people. That's why we got into the situation where we were giving them free money, the "winter fuel allowance".
My dad died a few months ago. He relied on his winter allowance every year. He was 90 and all he received was tax rises and disrespect from Tories and now the Labour are doing exactly the same thing??? Labour have turned into liars and as expected just as bad as rotten Tory thieves. Don’t make promises and then lie to us. My dad fought for this country, brought up his family and we had a secure life. This country has disrespected his life and millions of others! Labour gave me hope and now I’m sickened by them. This is largely due to unfettered immigration which has been a total disaster.
It's right for Chancellor to ALL PUBLIC winter fuel payments, but PROTECTS ALL MPs winter fuel payments, while MP basic salary is £96k per year. That's far from right, its Authoritarian.
Why r MPs getting it , r elderly will freeze but migrants illegally here in r country will b nice & warm in there free hotel rooms shame on u government 🏴🇬🇧
As someone to the left, I'm ashamed that some people that are supposedly on my side of the political spectrum are comfortable with the Winter Fuel Payments being cut. A lot of pensioners are certainly not wealthy, and many are only a few quid over the threshold required to qualify for Pension Credit. This policy imo is very off the cuff, and certainly hasn't been thought through properly.
People have been demanding this policy for literal decades, it's not off the cuff at all. The payment will be means tested, so still available for those who need it. Why do working age people have to jump through so many hoops to get any help while pensioners get handouts?
Anyone who has worked and receive a full pension after having paid National Insurance all their working life can’t get pension credits. Anyone retiring after 2016 can not get pension credits unless they have not paid in. I totally agree some wealthy pensioners don’t need it but the cut off for pension credits is £218wk. At £218 a week I would not considered being rich.
When elderly people start dieing of hyperthermia because they will no longer get the heating allowance I hope people who are agreeing with the govt stopping it are happy 🤔
The elderly for the most part are vulnerable and suffer physically in extremes of temperature. So much for compassion and caring for our older folks.Despicable.
One of the main reasons that people do not claim pension credit is because even though you are entitled to it no matter what your savings might be, if they go over £10k you have a reducing entitlement where you need to inform DWP for every £500 over you have so they can knock a pound off. It also means lets say you spened £500 going to Blackpool for a week and theoretically be entitled to your £1 pension credit you could be accused of deliberate "depravation of capital". Many older people have a tiny life time of savings nest egg that they ared afraid to let the DWP anywhere near looking at. You've only got to look at the carer's allowance scandal to see why people don't claim what they are entitled to. It's because they would rather be in poorer circumstances but know that what is theirs is really theirs and not under constant surveillance by the Stasi. Why do you think Mel Stride wanted to allow surveillance of pension credit claimants bank accounts at the end of the last parliament? Precisely because he would be able to turn an old dears trip to Blackpool into "fraud". So many in the media have no idea how the systems work in practice!
Exactly the same as means tested benefits. Any savings over £6k and money is reduced, any savings above £16k and there is no award. Why should millionaire pensioners be taking the food out of the mouths of working families?
@@NeonVisual I actually agree with you. I wrote to Stephen Timms chair Work and Pensions Committee about this because I was sick of them talking about being able to claim even with £16 in the bank. Did you know those limits have only gone up once in 34 years? The capital allowances ere last uprated I think in 2006 and before that in 1990. You wou need £178 to buy now what you could buy in 2006 for £100. So if they were being anything like fair they would nearly double those capital allowances. So as the years go by fewer and fewer whether working age, disabled or pensioners will be eligible for them at all. I really don't think millionaires need the winter fuel allowance at all. What I was trying to say was that the way the means testing system works really puts off a lot of pensioners who should be entitled to it from claiming and yet so many commentators raise their hands as to why people don't do it.
@@karencarlin4886 For the last 14 years and most of the 80's and 90's the Tories have been buttering up the elderly for their vote with free money and tax breaks. Now the Tories are no longer in power, they're having a reality check on the very benefits system they've spent decades attacking "scroungers" and demanding lower taxes from the Tories. The shoe is on the other foot. Unpleasant, isn't it?
Poor Old people will be frozen this winter because they can't afford heating they will end up in hospital with pneumonia and flu and the hospital is already overcrowded. It is unfair on poor senior
WHat planet are you on to get this ' rich' pensioner information. Laughable . I know many many pensioners who are just about coping and having to cut down on so much. You're probably talking about ex civil servants on golden handshakes and good-byes and huge pension pots and final salary pensions paid by the taxpayers.
HMRC will know exactly the wealth or otherwise of pensioners , far better than you. I am not in receipt of pensioners credit and expect that my winter payment to stop, so it could be argued that I do not need it, and many do, so I think that is fair. One thing is clear to me. This Labour government are far more likely to help the poor, pensioners or otherwise, and the criteria for receipt of pensioner credit is more likely to be changed to benefit more pensioners.
@@AndrewEdwardBailey one fifth of pensioners are millionaires if you see poor pensioners, direct them to pension credit, they will get a HIGHER winter fuel allowance than the current one
@@AndrewEdwardBailey Good for you helping elderly people. How many ? I can’t imagine it’s that many , but let’s say it’s a 100. Wow, and you speak for all elderly people do you. You don’t speak for me, because although I’ve had to tighten my belt, I’m not in need of help. The elderly people you deal with need your help, therefore it’s reasonable to assume they are on pension credit, and they will not be affected by the removal of the winter fuel allowance. As for your comment about Trump and his supporters , says more about you than about me. Perhaps you need help !!
They can look after themselves, they can dish out money to rent entire hotels for people not entitled to live here, but they can't look after the people who likely fought for our right to be free. We this pair, clearly labour lovers, agreeing with it. I'm surprised you've even got a paltry 133k subs, I watch hobby channels with more subs, but they deserve them.
As a pensioner who was surprised to receive the allowance last winter, I don't feel targeted at all and neither am I, with the state and a modest occupational pension, wealthy. Of more concern is the care cost cap being kicked further down the road but that is an issue that has been going on for years.
What ever wage rises people get the government gets nearly half of that back in taxes. Income tax,National insurance,Employers National Insurance. That’s not counting the 20% VAT they also get when people spend their rise in the shops.
@@jeanlawley6483that would be a nice start Jean ,but I suspect a good portion of the 30% that put these incompetents in government are now classed as far right thugs and the 70% remaining obviously are so they will not support you and me and millions more we are not worthy
There are many other benefit inequities that need to be looked at. I would rather see benefits targeted at those who really need them, but even more so I would like to see the benefits system reviewed to prevent exploitation. The state pension should not be classed as a benefit.
Pensioners have assets more than one million? What planet you on? That may be true in your London bubble, but it isn’t true elsewhere. The ones who have paid taxes all their lives get punished, while the work shy and foreigners get rewards. Focus on UK citizens, and make cuts to oversea aid, and asylum seekers instead!
Absolute tripe from these two out of touch women... Using stats in a most heinous way... Most pensioners are worried about bills and you have to be in really dire straits to get pension credit. Put these two on £800 or so a month!!
But "Robber Reeves" didn't include herself & all Westminster MPs who receive up to £3,000 fuel allowance on top of their second homes & over generous expenses.
Last year the winter fuel payment dug me out of a hole without me having to apply for benefits. Many thanks to all who voted Labour. More money for them to squander on illegal immigrants.
For me winter 2024 will go from being comfortable to freezing cold. That's the thanks you get for working 42 years, paying your taxes and having only modest savings. Meanwhile, at the local migrant hotel .........................
What about those who are just above the threshold for pension credit? Monies like the winter fuel allowance are a life line for some of those pensioners outside pension credit payments... Your blinkered view that all those outside pension credit are rich beggars belief, shame on you!
Given that Owen Jones was on TV talking about £20bn back in June I find it unlikely that Reeves didn't know about it. I find it utterly SHAMEFUL that a so-called Labour government has voted against removing a 2-child benefit cap and taking away the winter fuel payments to pensioners. Our pensioners get almost the lowest pension in the EU already so this is just going to cause yet more misery. Why do "difficult decisions" only affect poor people instead of the millionaires who can easily afford it?
Remind me again why I have to pay for other people's child bearing decisions? The millionaires you referenced are statistically more likely to be pensioners you want to give winter fuel payments too. See the fault in your logic?
The two child benefit cap will probably be lifted when it is a more financially comfortable decision. That is why you already have opposition MPs saying that Reeves will "u-turn" on it in future. And the decision on the fuel allowance is absolutely the right decision. Owen Jones is great and all but he doesn't live in the real world. The 20bn wasn't the unknown, it was the state of things due to unmade decisions and neglect.
They're talking about different (but similar sounding amounts). Owen Jones was talking about future spending commitments (i.e. in a year's time), Rachel is talking about an immediate spending gap. The IFS who are behind the original critique have released a video of their own explaining the difference. Also, maybe hard to accept that not all pensioners are in poverty. Those who are will be supported.
1st off its the Tories that burned that money and then lied to the OBR. Meaning it wasnt in public records, So be mad at them. 2nd working things out on the back of a napkin and estimating money based on speculation isn't evidence based calculus. 3rd Pensioners are not ALL poor or ALL rich. Most are better off than working people. The others are entitled (rightly) to benefits, discounts and support. This will impact those who mostly are more than OK.
Social care is a nightmare to deal with. Do we want to pay for it or not? That is the question people need to answer. The problem is people want everything without paying for it up front.
And the treatment of unpaid carers of all ages, including the older ones, is absolutely shocking. Apart from the LibDems, whose leader has had significant caring responsibilities of his own, none of the parties even bothered to give unpaid carers a mention in their manifesto. The borough I live in has around 18,000 unpaid carers. If 99% carried on as normal and just 1% decided they couldn't / wouldn't carry one for whatever reason, that would - assuming a one-carer-to-each-cared-for person ratio, although some carers look after more than one person - leave around 180 people who would suddenly need to have care provided and paid for by the local authority, or in some cases require hospital care with little hope of being discharged. The local social care services and NHS would struggle big time to cope with that extra level of demand, yet these carers apparently don't merit a mention..
Labour did know about the £20bn shortfall. In fact Owen Jones (of who I’m not a fan) was going on about this for quite a while. The New Statesman has changed its tune and sadly is basically just a cheerleader for Labour regardless of its policies- even when they are effectively Austerity 2.0.
MPs got a £5k increase to their salary this year. £5.4bn in hotel bills. She's like a video game. Legacy of Pain: Old Reaver. A story about Raziel Reaves and her quest to reave the old in times of cold.
This 22 billion pound black hole labour. What a joke without doubt Labour would of known exactly what the country's finances were . They are there for all partys to see. Making out they didnt know gives them a perfect opportunity to go back on there policies. Conned again by slippery politicians. I hope all the labour voters are pleased
Why save those that voted for Brexit that destroyed opportunity for the young while eroding their employment rights?🤷♂️ If anything, they should feel honoured to contribute this cut to winter fuel allowance as willing patriots.
@@wamteng3790 well i will try again. if you think brexit was a mistake, please look at the EU's finances, then look at ours. the majority voted for brexit, that means you are not in touch with what most brits are feeling, and why. you have a little bubble with people who dont disagree becausse they themselves have not educated themselves on what most brits want. Starmer have been saying ever since brexit that he wants open borders, no one should be refused. and yet now that he is in power people are crying because he hasnt stopped immigration.are you kidding me?
@@bernadettebrown1852 Well, I suggest those affected watch Disney's Frozen in the winter as most young girls had sang - The cold have never bother me anyway. It should allowed them to brave the winter months.
She didn't say that. She said a large number of people of pension age are millionaires. They then went on to say that a large number of pensioners are in poverty.
Maybe if pensioners had been pre-warned about the plan to withdraw winter fuel payments as a universal payment they wouldn’t have voted for labour. Who was being dishonest about their intentions now? I am so so disappointed I was expecting labour to open and honest. I thought the tories were dreadful but now I believe all parties are dishonest. Pensioners have no trade unions to protect them they can only protest through their vote and many must feel that they have conned out of their vote by labour being less than honest about their plan to attack them without warning. 😊
The problem is when the next election cycle comes around and people realise both parties are not worth voting for and decide to vote reform or even worse.
@@palmtreeshenanigans Old people dont vote for Labour anyway. The vast majority vote for the tories or reform (of which the tories are almost solely reliant)
milliband said we be getting 300 pound of our bills but in about 50 yrs time .meantime pensioners die fro cold co they scrapped the winter fuel allwance .. but mos get theur allownces including even ckaiming for pack of biscuits no there the Chancellor getting 90.000 pound oer year then her expenses her husband 100 000 a year now able to rent out their own house wonder ifcthey go cold over the winter
Winter Fuel Payment is worth around £200 per annum - it is paid to households and not individuals (To get the £300, someone in the household has to be registered disabled.) It was originally introduced by Gordon Brown, to compensate for a 10p rise in pensions - which was seen as a disgrace at the time. Since it has never been uprated with inflation, there is an eminent case for integrating it into the standard pension and forgetting about it. But no - it has been used as some sort of stick to beat up pensioners ever since it was introduced. There will be no problem - or effort required - to pay it out, since everyone on Pension Credit are clearly known to the DWP. What may be a problem - is that there are many who have not claimed. There will be many who do not want the government prying into their savings etc. There is far too much ignorance about pensions in general - lazy journalists getting away with nonsense. How can a cut in pensions (because that is what this is) be a good thing? It's just another few per cent attack on a vulnerable section of society.
I agree that it should be means tested. All benefits should be because wealthy people don’t need them. I do however think the criteria to qualify for it should be reasonable and not an amount that would leave people destitute.
I wouldn’t call a pensioner getting state and private pension totalling £24,000 before tax, a rich pensioner, would you? When a person retires if they’re getting a private pension/full state pension they’re not able to claim pension credits. Pension credits are reserved for people who’ve not been able to work or claim benefits, for instance, someone who’s stayed home to look after their children where their partner hasn’t got a private pension (there are other reason of course) and not entitled to claim UC. Under this new rule pensioners getting less than a living wage but not getting pension credits aren’t entitled to winter fuel payments. I can understand if someone is in the higher tax bracket, but this is outrageously callous.
Would the Labour government like to stop tax payers from funding £3 billion in migrant accomadotion and welware as well ? Not likely. Perhaps Reeves should look at these numbers ; UK general election votes Wes Streeting held on to his seat by 500 votes. margins count chancellor and a lot of Labour MPs know that very well
