Rachmaninoff Moment Musicaux Op. 16, No. 4 Piano Tutorial Redo 

Glad you are careful and thanks for writing. I was unable to find a D# at 6:02. It’s difficult for me to find my own careless mistakes, same when I check math. Redoing the part in question works though. Strange phenomenon 😅

Thank you, a new comment brought me back. You were right! This time I found it by setting the speed tool to 0.5x. Pinned your comment for others to see. ❤️

Logical approach: Force yourself to obey a metronome. Set it to your competent speed. Upon each repeat, tick it up 1 bpm. With patience you will reach tempo and play evenly. Try it on 2 measures only to see how it works?

@@janepianotutorials thank you🙇‍♂️

Appreciate your kind message, Steven...

Appreciate your kind words, Vajanyi !

Thanks, Schlomoh. Hope each note is correct this time :)

Absolutely, even the left hand at slow tempo is so emotional so sentimental... :)))

You’re welcome, Neilram.

Thanks for your kind comment 😊

@@janepianotutorials no problem!

With lots of practicing, you can do it! Fun project, right?

How’s it going?

Update!

Thank you 😊

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks Jose! Have fun practicing

This certainly is a motivating piece. Look forward to hearing that you achieved it.

You’re very welcome, Guslom. Good luck finishing the piece!

You are so welcome, Daniel

Hey Miss Capri. Sorry to have misled. Appreciate you being so understanding and forgiving. Love you!

@@janepianotutorials Aww! You're welcome, Jane! Lol It's a fairly common occurrence to get something learned correctly when learning by ear anyway, and it'll do me a lot of good. I'll be having to slow down to learn the corrections, which means accuracy will be more easily attained when I pick up the tempo again. This and Ocean Etude still require a lot of work. But I love them. Love you too. :) And there are different performances where one does it one way, the other another, and with this busy piece, there are so many notes.

Must have done that. Did you use my website search box?

@@janepianotutorials just did, found it. Thanks so much!

Can think of it that way. Study my sight reading lesson 9 on counting. I teach as a math teacher.

@@janepianotutorials thank you a lot

Made a mistake? Trust your score, not me 😊

Set the metronome to your competent speed (both hands with all notes correct), then increase the best by 1 bpm upon each repeat. It should work. Good luck!

Post under my request video or await many more votes 😊

Thank you to persons Who like my comments !! This is my dream to plays this...

You're welcome 😊❤️

Practice a section at a time, only the ones that cause trouble. Use a metronome, set it to your competent speed, then tick it up 1 bpm per repeat. Guaranteed to work 😊

@@janepianotutorials thanks😉🎹

Thanks again ... 😊

Glad it helped, thanks for letting me know

Thank you, D.

Could you provide a timestamp please? 😊

@@janepianotutorials i do not know what this is. When we look at measure 48 I should see and count 4/4 ( signature) but there is not or this is something I should learn

@@vishtayeganeh174 Measure numbers do not appear on the video. The timestamp is the time (minutes and seconds) count shown on the bottom left of the video. It makes it easier to find what you are asking about.

@@janepianotutorials 12:50

@@vishtayeganeh174 this is 4/4. In layman terms: Think of 3 people simultaneously playing on 3 pianos. The 1st piano plays the 1st and last notes of that measure. The 3rd piano plays the base line. The middle part belongs to the 2nd piano. Hope that makes sense 😊

The confusion is due to lack of proper notation. As a math person, I took each 1/16 as 1/24 (1/6 of a quarter note). Musicians do not have separate notation for 1/3, 1/6, 1/12, 1/24 ... notes, they use arcs above the 3 and 6 to denote those. They could have used triangles instead of round dots! To further prove my point, pause at 4:53. In that first measure, if we take that rest as an 1/16 rest, the other 5 RH notes cannot be played simultaneously with the LH (you must have counted my way there). Indeed, that rest must be taken as a 1/24 rest. The same can be seen in the 2nd measure where, if you truly use the quarter note and 1/16 rest count, the entire measure will be so messed up! [EDIT 1/23/2023] A new comment brought be back here. I happen to be making a tutorial for the Bach French Suite 4 Courante. It illustrates a similar situation, also caused by lack of proper notation.

Has anyone else ever mentioned 1/3 notes or 1/24 rests? I analyze and reason things out for myself.

@@janepianotutorials idk that much about music theory. In my comment I just said what my teacher told me.

It has nothing to do with music theory. It’s 4th grade math. To avoid trouble, just do what your teacher says. Hope at least you understood my reasoning 😊

Jane, I believe I see where the confusion lies - from the 1st bar, the bass line is 16th notes grouped into sextuplets, four to a bar in common time, therefore you are right to treat each of those as a 1/24 note with the beat halfway through each bar; However, as the right hand comes in bar two as a 16th note which looks like it should match up to the last baseline 16th note, it is actually an original common time 16th note still, and not in a sextuplet grouping or any other grouping, so the commenter is right about placing it ahead of the last bass note. I find the most natural and intuitive way to track the melody beat with the baseline beat is to count in the common time, squishing in the bassnotes 2 beats per measure (knowing they total 24) by feel, but avoiding any beat accenting, then playing the R.H. melody timed as written for 2/2, going with the flow and if it helps, applying a bit of rubato to the R.H./melody ONLY. Does this make sense or am I way off as well? I think purposefully stressing the melody volume-wise above the broken chromatic baseline could help with learning the timing pattern, even if the stressing is just done in the mind and not actually played overly harsh :D

Yes, according to the thumbnail

Thanks for writing. Earlier comments addressed this matter. Please listen to videos of concert pianists. I'm an amateur.

Yes

Yes, 3 or 4 mistakes in the old one. too many!

@@janepianotutorials tank you so Much for your works !!

The entire sonata? Your country? Post your request under my request video to get votes?

Thanks so much, you seconded the pinned comment. ❤️

Yes, this is just for occasional note checking

You’re welcome, Gabriel. Your request will get lost here. Post it under my request video, then others can vote on it 😊

Will add your request to that webpage and await more votes. Your country? Question: are you following the score or playing by ear?

@@janepianotutorials ok i Make the request , thank you Again !!!!

@@janepianotutorials I playing by ear, i have a lot of difficulties to read a partition properly, particularly with this pièces (scales for exemple )

If you post under my request video, viewers can add their vote. Votes from various countries will move the piece up the wait list. Winding down the project, am concentrating on intermediate pedagogy pieces. Rachmaninoff is too painful for me 😊

@@janepianotutorials ah okay, the moments musicaux no 6 is very less painful than the n4 thant you do already perfectly !😄

Did I forget to put it in the description? Please check the old version.

Jane ty

Thank you!

Wonderful … it’s nice to have a piece to look forward to learning

You're welcome!☺️

Rach works are difficult ...

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​@@janepianotutorials jokes aside, you are REALLY helpful to me. ive been playing the piano for two years and this is the perfect "etude" for me. without you showing me the fingering i wouldnt be able to even try to play it. ill comment again in 6 months and see what ive done.

@@coy2960 I think you can do it, same principle as machine learning: repeat, reward, repeat, reward, ....looking forward to hearing your performance 😊

@@janepianotutorials will do, practicing 5 hours a day on this piece to reach my goal

@@coy2960 oh my, where do you find time? never in my life have I practiced 5 hrs in a day! 1 hr at most when taking lessons. Remember to take breaks so as not to hurt your back

I read music and I make mistakes. You don’t ? These tutorials are for occasional reference. Read Ms Capri’s comment and hear her amazing performances? Also, many who do not read music are able to learn these pieces by rote. Search and you will find. It is wonderful that those who play by ear are able to play classical pieces due to synthesia tutorials.

@@janepianotutorials i see. Good for them. It never occured to me that people could try to pull that off. Anyone who love this music enough to try has my love and respect.

Wishing you luck 😊

congrats :)

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