Racism in the Church feat. Nicole C. Mullen | Dinner Conversations 

"Only redemption through Christ can really fix the problem..." Here is the sum of the whole matter. Thank you, Nicole!

It also takes the bravery of each race to step toward the other. One of my good friends showed up at a Bible conference, one of the only black women there. But she was so friendly and outgoing, that we stuck up a shared love of camping and nature. I'm so glad she stepped out of her comfort zone, so I could meet her.

My family is mixed race and mother's in the church helped me learn how to hot comb my twins hair. Our family endured a lot of racism even from both sides of our families. Later God opened a door in the church and I was the only white person in our jurisdiction for a long time. There were people in the church who could barely accept me and our family, and those that loved us just because we loved God. Mark this video means a lot to me that you hear God's voice to make us more aware of racial differences. God bless you.

Thank you Holy Spirit for confirming what you spoke to my spirit, if these white preachers would stand up and preach against racism in their churches a lot of these evils would stop.

I Know My Redeemer Lives is such a beautiful song and what a voice!!

"you can't legislate human nature." A powerful statement.

There were several priceless quotables from Chris Williamson that I actually wrote down. I am so thankful for strong and intelligent African American Christians like Chris and Nicole. Best program yet!

I love that song!!! I am grateful for brothers and sisters who listen and speak with gracious honesty.

"Why don't we start demonstrating to each other." Oh, Andrew! So deep! Isn't it sad that we have to even ask the question of how to approach people of a different color in our churches? Do we ever ask how to approach those that look like us? No. We just approach them. Why have we made it so hard? This was a wonderful conversation! Thank you so much. You guys have been missed!

"Follow Jesus, not His followers." Powerful statement, Pastor C. W.!

I am white, and from the time I was a child, I could not understand racism. I always found diversity wonderful! And all my life I have longed to connect on a deep level with people of color, to have honest, direct conversations. The mistrust makes it difficult. Thank God, heaven is going to be a very diverse place with mutual love and trust. I can't wait.

Great discussion. We stopped to eat today and had a GREAT conversation with a wonderful black group. The Lady gave me a cap I needed out of the fullness of her heart. Before we got in to eat we were having another conversation with another black couple. I had a marvelous time. Wonderful people not black just people. I only use the term Black as descriptive for context. One thing the second lady and I talked about was she was the only poor black child in the her school. Did anyone hug her said come over for dinner or lets hang out? WOW! I know I have changed today! How do we get the Church to change when it has become so impersonal? We are the Church! One hug or invite at a time! It is up to all of us Black or White to extend your heart.

These are the kind of honest and respectful conversations we all need to have. Racism is alive and well even here in Canada. My partner is Black and she has helped me tremendously in understanding the racialized experience. My part is to listen, understand and integrate what I learn. Praise Yeshua!

15:45-16:48 answers the very issue of what’s wrong with race in the church!! You better preach pastor!!! 🔥🔥🔥

Main problem is that conversations like this only takes place at a propped table, then everyone goes home. The end.

I was blessed to grow up as an adopted white girl with an adopted sister who looks mixed or "light skinned" if you will and I also grew up with my dad being the pastor of a multi cultural/ethnicity congregation. I also remember being facsinated with black people's hair when I was young ...call me crazy but I was..and yes I've had a black guy laugh at me for that. I've also dated a guy of mixed ethnicities and one of the ethnicities being black. I used to say "one you go black you never go back"...I'm a Christian now so I live by Jesus's morals and I've been married for 10 years and now have a 5 month old son. My husband's white btw in case anyone wants to know. Anyway, my point is, we are all people. And I can't imagine not growing up with people of different countries not around me. Now, when it comes to living biblically, that's where I'm strict. Follow the Word, not what you think the Word says. Follow Jesus. There is only one race and that's HUMAN .

Awww I've Always LOVED Nicole that Voice she can SING grew up listening to her she still looks great after all these years still beautiful as ever & she looks pretty n pink aka Mrs. Pretty n' Pink and not to mention that Classic Radiant smile of hers!💖

2 years ago, yet so incredibly relevant today. I so agree..only Jesus can change our hearts and redeem us. Thank you so much for sharing.

I had a racist incident with my black grandson in a church, and the response was either silence or move on. I know they are Christians because they just don't want to become involved. Now, my family just does church at home. Pax Christi.

Great conversation and learning tool, thank you Andrew, Mark and Nicole .

Oh man, the conversation with this pastor was so saddening. When are we going to move forward? I praise God that I am not held accountable for the sins of my fathers. I am only responsible for breaking the chain of sin, through the power of the Holy Spirit & not be found guilty of repeating the sins of my forefathers. We stand alone before the Lord on Judgement Day. Nicole C. Mullins has always sung the prayers of my heart. Please know that I post this comment with no animosity in my heart. Only deep, deep sadness for attitudes still carried into the futures of our children & how much we all disappoint our Lord.

Thank you for having the boldness & courage to even put this conversation together. This is a great 1st step to bridging the racial & cultural divide, so keep up the great work!🌟

This is bazaar to me. I was raised in a mixed race church. My father was the pastor. There was never a line between the races. We lived together. Our parents did things together. The kids were all close. At one point we had our own school. We never knew any kind of differences. The black people in our church were well employed and there was not that difference at all. Honestly some of the upper middle class members were black. Not all. We had po or black and white members also. We just all walked together as one group. Love ruled the day. I think the mixed church in itself would solve the racism problem. Black people spent the night with me I stayed with them. Some of my best friends were black brothers. I don’t go to church now but I just can’t imagine racism in the church. I’ve seen it every where else. We had none in our church. I’m thankful for the way I was raised. We all knew each other so well. I actually stayed weeks at a time with my black friends while my parents were on mission trips. I can’t say that no one at all had bad thoughts because I’m not in there heads. Most of our musicians and singers were black. My Dad was white as the pastor but the co pastor was black. The other churches in our orginazarion had many black pastors. Gosh. We prayed together. I’m not dumb enough to say it was perfect but the way people on this show are talking is so different than anything I’ve ever heard.

Had a very embarrassing encounter with a "racist church member" recently. Unfortunately, this wasn't my first encounter, but, this incident has me questioning if going to a "diverse" church makes any sense, or if going to church at all makes any sense. I can tell you for the first time in years I felt like giving up on this whole church thing. I reported the issue the same day and the "church leadership" promised to address it. Fast forward several months later, I'm still waiting on the issue to be addressed. Suffice to say, racism is a very touchy issue. So I'm with you on individuals showing that they love for who you are and not tell you that they love you for who you are.

Yes, I agree, racism inside the church is present. I felt and seen exclusion and felt alone right inside the church. It was horrible. Thank you for talking about it.

The important thing is we continue to build relationships.

She is such a beautiful lady.

"let me be your tour guide." Brilliant

This is such an "on point" and timely conversation. Well done, Mark, Andrew and Nicole! The church of Christ needs this.

Great episode, Uncle Mark!! Really appreciated it. I don't know if perhaps it was edited out, but I hope Dr. Williamson and your co-host did discuss the role the church played in the abolition of slavery and later the Civil Rights movement. I was a little saddened that the his discussion focused on the negatives of the church and seemed to ignore the positives. While it is true that many within the church condoned and promoted slavery and segregation, it was largely bands of believers, black and white together, who championed the Abolition and Civil Rights movements.

I enjoyed listening to them.. Thank you all and love you all

" Yes; we will KNOW we are HIS; by The Way We Love.. This made me remember to STAY HUMBLE...LOVED THIS PROGRAM"!!?? KEEP OPENING EYES OF THE BLIND"!! LOVE YOU GUYS; PASTOR CHRIS WILLIAMSON TOUCHED MY HEART...I AM A MINISTER; THAT METAPHOR ON BEING ABUSED 20 YRS. AND YEAR 21 GETTING REVELATION; SHOWED FORGIVENESS TAKES TIME. LORD HAVE MERCY ON ME; US; THEM. LORD HELP THE "CHURCH" PEOPLE OF THE CHURCH NEED TO HEAR THIS"!!?? AMEN...MIN. BETTY CARR

I know I’m late to dinner, but I truly feel blessed watching this. ‘They will know us by our love’. We gotta give it ALL-all our good and bad of our flesh to the Lord, all the behind closed door stuff, all our pride…ALL of it then and only then can Christ fully redeem All of us! Thanks you brothers and sisters-may you know the peace and joy of your salvation!

After hearing the Strong Tower pastor speak, I am struggling now because I am surrounded by very hurt street people. I lived in Nashville, a few years ago, and I saw them from a distance. But now I live in a city where I must encounter street people everyday, in person. Sadly, I seek to avoid these folks more than I want to even offer them a coin. Prayers appreciated concerning this because I need wisdom since many are overt drug addicts.

This was absolutely wonderful convo!!!!❤❤❤

Fantastic discussion. Thanks for this conversation.

In my experience of churches, its not just the racial differences, but anyone who is seeking God a little differently to the church "norms" or "structure" is labelled. Openness and acceptance and seeing with the eyes of Christ, takes humility and love.

LOVE this! So very much!

Good singing guys Love Nicole

When I learned how to teach an English as a Second Language ministry, we discussed the fact that when 2 cultures that have different values, meet they can misunderstand and collide. American's don't spend enough time talking to people (because time is money), yet in other cultures it is okay to stop by and they will serve you food and invite you in to STAY and spend some time visiting with them. While I grew up in an American culture that says "call ahead", "don't stay too long", "hurry up" this is considered rude in other countries. It is so much more than just a "color" thing, it is a culture clash as well. "I just don't understand why", so I don't try. My father grew up impoverished, he reflected this upbringing his whole life. He gave more away than he earned and he died in poverty. Although generous at times, he didn't think to take care of his family because this wasn't taught to him. My family had to overcome his neglect of us. Had we just accepted it as "this is how it needs to be", instead of fighting against it. Our own children would be suffering the same consequences as we did as children. I agree, we need to stop and hear each other's stories, learn another person's culture and we need to confront the societal lies that say "we/they aren't enough" because Christ died for all of us and in Him, we are more than enough. Because He is enough.

I had heard it years ago and IT stuck On my Heart and Never Left / My favorite Song it Soothes my Soul 🙌🙌🙌🫶🫶🫶❤️❤️❤️🤗

Absolutely amazing. This has completely changed my perspective on race and how to approach different viewpoints.

Love this thank you.

truth! We need to own up to what this pastor is saying.

Great conversation! Nicole is fantastic!

Gentlemen this was fantastic. Recently I watch a program on Netflix that was about the "13 amendments". It was a "documentary" and honestly, it shares some very informative things that we at those that are "caucasian" need to open our eyes to see. In the end, however, it was disrespectful to those in authority over us. Therefore it could turn people off. ThESE INTERVIEWS HOWEVER WERE FULL OF HOPE. The pastor and what Nicole shared was so helpful. Mark, it is cool how you go to a predominately black church! So there is an example of how we are all one in Christ. "They will know we are Christian by our love". Without Christ, there is no real change. With Christ, we all need to examine ourselves. Even if we did not see discrimination much in our own lives. Slavery is out there in all cultures. Yes getting to know people personally from a different culture. Inviting them into our homes. Growing up we have tried to have our four children see how we need to get to know people that may be raised differently than us culturally or of a different color. So keep sharing truth!!! With Jesus there is hope, He sets us all free, prisoners, slaves, proud, etc.. Sinners just like me. Blessings, Jane

Nicole spoke some wisdom there! WHEW! Can you say "micdrop"...?!

Nicole C. Mullen is a gracious woman. I like that learn of others it is so true, I have spent several years over seas. It is important to know people and cultures. But, Disappointed that some are stuck in reverse. Restitution?

I loved it guys thank you so much I love you Nicole hugs and kisses for all appreciate this show

Thanks, although a tough subject to discuss, this was enlightening

This was a truly important conversation. I haven't seen, nor experienced, a lot of racism in my life thank goodness, and I've lived in many different places. I know it's a fact...I mean I know it's out there, but most of the racism I've seen is via progressive leaning media....tv news, social media, etc. May God have mercy on us all.

Renewed minds.

Humble, TX, eh Mark? I have family in Baytown, TX & I graduated HS not to far from there! Small World ;-) God Bless!!

I've always wondered how well-known Christians of color navigated racial tension in the ministry God entrusted them with. I'm happy to hear a little bit about Nicole C. Mullen's experiences

I love her voice she is wonderful.

AMEN about the words and actions

Love it❤️❤️

Society can deceive us but we should build on the basic foundations and actually do them, love God and Love our neighbor

I love "help me to see".

Paused @ 2:24 to add that people are afraid of each other simply because they're afraid of being humble. Despite what Yeshua said about it, few Real Believers ever become Servants, serving others.

This conversation is a good start? It demonstrates that there is a concern about the issue. The gentleman with the plaid hat said it well. It’s starts with dialogue and dialogue.

You've heard a lot of talk; read materials on asset protection and it is important to know and understand them. But your credibility and reputation is the strongest asset you have and we have better do our best to keep it. 1. You earn trust. 2. You are given respect. 3. You are shown loyalty. And you betray just one you lose all three. - Francis Kong #PassionPurposeProductivity #StartTheWeekRight

Listen to someone’s story, Listen and seek to hear what someone’s wanting me to hear, to understand, to care about. Just give time and focus to sit down and ask someone with genuine concern, what’s their story. Yes, definitely learning to be a better listener.

I haven't met her. But she's pretty and I love God's music that comes out of her mouth. And I've heard her talk. And I'm an old white man. Christian!.thats what defines me. Christian American. We came from God's mind! We're family!

There even prejudice of skin color within each race such as I'm light skin and others are dark we are all beautiful to God and to one another.

thanks for the conversation. It was very informative. It would be more inclusive and reflective to also interview another ethnic group such as Asian thanks

I am someone who LOVES chit’lings, y’all!! “The church’s fingerprints are all over the racial cass that built America....we can’t get that right until we go back and confess those sins and make restitution...it takes humility and it takes honesty.” “Reconciliation without redistribution of power is nothing more but colonialism” As a black person I never knew about the MLK’s letter from the Birmingham prison either. I don’t necessary want a black history month. Just take the time (in the text books and curriculum) to make it a part of American history. 😔 Love this table of table conversation.

Nicole; beautiful inside and out

I hate the word diversity, division. When I grew up the word was Unity.

The only way the air can be cleared is when the decendents of oppressors that grew up with those attitudes of superiority admit that it's in their DNA, and renounce the idol of superiority.

Are you going to have Guy Penrod on dinner conversations?

I immensely liked Dr. Williamson in-depth educational, authentic, biblical, and humane perspective on racism in the CHURCH. And- Mullen was very gracious and honest. However- the gentlemen were too talkative white Mullen could barely could get a word in.

Look up the interview between Eric Metaxas and Ryan Bomberger. Mindblowing.

Back in the 90's our pastor said Sunday was the most segregated church of the day. To combat that, he invited one of the local black preachers to come preach at our church. The local black pastor showed up in a big red Cadillac and preached on how terrible white people had been to black people. Our pastor said, "Never again." What a shame that black pastor missed an opportunity to come together but rather chose to show his own bigotry as well. It was also a shame our pastor didn't try again with a different pastor. I don't think he did enough research before inviting. I can only imagine the hate for white people that must exist in that pastor's little black church. How sad that Christ wasn't the focus instead of skin color.

Learn about how God used the 12 tribes of Israel to build the Tabernacle, each tribe brought their treasures of gifts, some were workers of gold, some made fabric curtains, some carvers, everything according to the exact pattern God showed Moses. We are His Tabernacle, different in color, giftings, talents, customs, foods, but all beautiful, each culture is like the 12 tribes, having the same Father, each assigned to live differently, some were shepherds, some workers of silver and some made metal pots, iron pots, so on down the line...think about it..the Tabernacle could not have been made without one another and getting along.

This conversation was great to have, but for me...painful to hear. Its ashame to still hear the stereotypical views of African Americans such as, describing the meal with African Americans in Virginia. Im African American and have never tasted a chitterling.....To still have to reference Martin Luther King because this was your only exposure to black intellegence. I appreciate Miss Mullen and pastor Chris for using this opportunity to educate, referencing the Bible, and addressing the sterotypical views Whites have of African Americans. I also appreciate that these two men are brave enough to ask the questions, which once address sincerely, will bring forth healing to both races and the church.

When the pastor is talking about economic systems is he talking about capitalism? If he is then what does he want to replace capitalism with? Capitalism is just the free trade of products and work for pay. It's possible the pastor would disagree with me. Yet I hope he loves me because I love him. On the race issue, there was a comedian of African American descent who said he could not eat fried chicken, which he loved because of the stereotype. I wanted to hug him and say, "Let's eat some fried chicken together because I love it too and I love you."

ONE RACE...HUMAN 😍😍😍 PEOPLE'S HEARTS HAVE TO CHANGE......LOVE ONE ANOTHER. CHRIST IS COMING SOON. THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL HELP US LOVE ONE ANOTHER. SUBMIT TO HIM!😍😍😍

Yes, pray and ask God to help me see through your eyes, feel what God feels, and love with Gods perfect love. Pray and ask God where are you at work? And how can I join you God ?

Great and important conversations on racism!!! In the history of humanity and the wickedness of man against one another, the one with power has NEVER relinquished power willingly and justly; rather over time, our LONG SUFFERING GOD has forced the oppressor to relinquish their power and to institute restitution for thf oppressed. However, we all as individuals need to look inwards and check our hearts asking ourselves difficult questions such as: Am I prejudiced? Am I racist? Am I a wounded soul as a consequence of my experiences with racism? Have I too become prejudiced or racist as my response to pain experiences with racism? What does the HOLY BIBLE say about racial prejudice and discrimination and how must I change to align with the WORD of GOD?

I’m sorry, but I think that mass majority of the evangelical church would say that slavery was and IS wrong. I don’t agree that we as the saints of God owe any man an apology for that sin that our forefathers have already said was wrong. I think our energy needs to be spent in forging relationships cross culturally - intentionally as the church. I so agree with Nicole here.

Pretty interesting.

tune that piano

People move to neighborhoods with people most like themselves or "better" so they don't have to deal with certain problems

I ❤ Nicole

Nicole's God who sees is mervalous !

LOVE THIS - CARIBBEAN BELIEVER

Well suited issues were set at the dinner table in order to ponder on. None the less, all were view through the world's point of view. As believer's in Jesus and family of God and although we are n in the world we are not of the world for our citizenship is in the Kingdom of God. Having said that! We as the body of Christ have to acknowledge that we are in a spiritual warfare with the power darkness and that we are living in fallen world due to our sinful nature and the only way to overcome the evil in the world is through spiritual warfare and make the difference and save as many souls for the kingdom of God.

$30 per month and only 3 lives per year? That’s not nearly enough lives saved but it sounds like a lot of pockets are getting filled. The idea and need is great but we need more able bodied people who care about people rather than the money. We need more local churches to get involved instead of relying on “non profits “ or governments programs. However you are on track as for reaching out beyond the discomfort of racial barriers. I have a very mixed family and at one time I was a member of a fairly segregated church but they moved to a new location. When I first heard that the church who bought my previous church’s building was that of a predominant black church I was told I probably wouldn’t be welcomed and since I knew the area and the racial tensions I believed it for several years. But I knew God was calling me back to church and I missed the fellowship of other believers. So you thought you know what I am going to go check out this church but then George Floyed happened and me being white I figured that wasn’t the best time. Well now that I have become active in that church since this past October I am like why did I listen to the devil and let him keep me from the house of the Lord! It’s just putting faith over fear of the unknown sometimes and trusting God. I HAVE been sooo blessed since returning to church and I honestly don’t think God could have chosen a better church for me. I LOVE LOVE my church and of course GOD! ❤🙏

This stuff of "us" and "them", dissolves as we grow in the Lord. To the point that it almost seems a ridiculous issue.... "Skin color an issue with y'all? Really? Sigh..." Said the ambassador from the Kingdom of Heaven... "Mhmm... it is...." said the earth bound one. "Oh boy... how sad... the enemy really has you distracted and superficial down here," commented the one from the Kingdom of Heaven, "God help us all!"

Who in that programme looks like Canon Andrew White?

No racism in the Kingdom of God sorry brother and sister be strong 💪 only one God the father son and Holy spirit ONE God

JESUS WILL BE GRIEVED TO SEE THE SEPARATION BETWEEN PEOPLE.😭😭😭

The buck stops here,the saying goes. Please stop blaming other people for whatever issues you have. It's not Obama's fault,Trump's,your mother,father,aunt,uncle,the media or whoever or whatever else we blame,except for the fact the devil does have a major roll in humankind's division. SIN is why we are divided even in the church and our damnable infatuation with ourselves and not really being full of the Agapae love of Jesus Christ. We are so full of pride and hav'nt learn the art of death to self as we should and so this so called racial mess is still in our churches. The true church of the Lord Jesus Christ WILL have to get it right and she will before He returns to catch us away to forever be with Him where there will be no more,white church,black church,brown church or denominations. One Lord,one Faith,one Baptism. Until we all come to the unity of the faith (and race...my words)! Until then,keep crying out to God...If My People...

I don't know much about the South and what it's like now. You certainly have come a long way but here's a slight difference. I know I've worshipped with black people but if you even asked me, "name the black Christians you've known", I would do a major pause. You accept Black people as your Brothers and Sisters in Christ. I don't even notice them. In my church it's white, black, Chinese, Norwegian & every other race I can't even remember right now. If I took the time to consider who is what race, I wouldn't have time to think about anything else. And I suppose that has effected me as I grew up. #Lauraleewashere

You are treated right in a black church but it is different situation for an only black person in a white only church.

John 15 : 'Make them ONE even as we are ONE!!' .... NOT 'make them WANT even as we are WANT...' ... [Just a 'little' difference there!! The printing did NOT get what Nicole SAID!!]

You know these deep racial discussions are seemed to be made so supferficial by Mark talking of chitlings. He also made this remark when speaking with Linda Randle. In my opinion ,he makes no real effort to understand; perhaps he should have been speaking with the pastor to whom Andrew was conversing. Andrew tries.

The messiah only taught the Israelites We are not all equal The Israelites are ABOVE ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH YOUR NEIGHBOR is your own people

Jesus went to the Wedding at Cana, but we never read in the Bible that He went to 'Parties'...