Raft's Stupidest Idea 

Your first reasoning is the most likely thing thats happening the second one doesnt make sense because if your raft is teleporting back then theres no reason for the island to disappear

had DF actually saw LGIO's early raft vods should already inform him why this is the case

Too bad he's already built up in a past video, and dumped llamas.

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@@heavenssalvation9514 no, what happens is because of the game rendering around the Center of the raft the islands become de-rendered and disappears under you if your raft floats away (as OP said), not because it's teleporting. It's not even an idea it's a proven part of the game because it also serves the purpose of forcing the player to keep moving and to stay on the raft and this is something anyone can try. Secondly, unless OP knows something I don't, I don't think the raft ever teleports. That would be normally pretty noticeable to any average player. A better solution would either be to keep the "raft" Centered and fixed but really the landscape (or oceanscape?) is moving. This may be also unlikely because if you let the raft drift you obviously don't see the oceanscape move but it would be easier to mask in general. Lastly, I think might be the most likely option is that the way it renders islands could also be the same way it spawns or deletes POI/islands. This would make sense because when the raft is stationary in the water it doesn't actually make any debris drift. And because the code spawns the debris and keeps it still, that code could possibly be reused for the islands. -Not a game designer, most of this is speculation with educated guesses from what I have played and seen in the game as well as minimal game design.

is there anything special about the "HELP" island?

@@cuddlecakes7153 rare hat

that was the first island I came to in my first play through

Would love if he did stranded deep

Stranded deep is good game

I see, a teleporter but made of bed.

@@imgood3374 I've done nothing but teleport bed for 3 days

@@TheREALLofiat nice tf2 reference

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@@imgood3374 bed.

yeah that's correct.It'll telport in front of u(whereerv the current i facing)

Sounds about right, because it would be completely unnecessary to actually program the curvature of the earth.

@@Aquific In the world of programming it's actually not curvature you have to model to pull off the trick. In fact it's a hardware bug, or feature depending on how you look at it. In the 1979 game Asteroids all objects wrap from one end of the map to the other. Generally best known as a integer overflow ( due to int being the most common data type these days ) Take for example a byte with a range of 0-255, If you tell it to add a velocity of +1 to a position of 255 you end up back to 0. To prevent this behavior, you either have to choose a bigger data type so that you never reach the end, or you explicitly check for integer overflow and prevent it from happening.

@@MINIMAN10000 well in MODERN day technology, we go to much higher integers, especially in a game like raft because the world is so vast, the data would not be stored how you suggest, location data is often stored in a 128 bit (guess) data file, but when it starts to reach its boundaries, it would increase the size, and before you say things against that, that was a problem in 1979, most game engines from 2000s and onwards started adding systems to prevent that, it wouldnt make sense that a game, so vast and based on exploration wouldnt use this? it would one of the first things you would consider.

Correct, when you get a certain distance from an island it despawns. Story islands are programed to respawn instantly, but do so under normal island spawning rules. This means that even the story islands that initially spawn behind you, forcing you to use an engine to reach them, will respawn ahead of you. This entire game can be completed without using an engine and paddles used only for maneuvering around islands. Also, you're raft never moves, it's the world that moves around it. The four foundations you start with is essentially the center of the universe, everything revolves around that point.

he wasnt even around the entire RAFT world, and thats still alot lol so if this entire adventure was a plank, he'd need 4000 planks

*James Franco - “First time?”*

Lol

Same man

So uh, what are you gonna do if he takes a break?

@@Marliemac He already did this year. That's enough for the decade

this man was never on the rail tbh

you mean off the raft?

Not really slowly tbh

Isn't that what happened to Gray? 😀

@@brenna19371 He has a channel called GrayStillPlays. His videos used to cover normal video game play (running medieval taverns, for example), but eventually devolved into entertaining chaos.

That would literally be the best and most chaotic crossover ever!

He'll yhea

And the spiffing brit too

add callmekevin too, hell be chaotical useless

@@ichigokurosaki7820 fuck it, throw in Chippy as well, and have them all play Terraria. I'd love to see that

I'm probably on the df end of that. 😂

Yo

that's what we call computational brute force

DF's a Kinethstetic Learner and a scientist!

This is exactly what happened in one of Let's Game It Out's old Raft episodes.

I highly doubt that this is technically accurate, as to how its implemented; The game would be unplayable, even if you weren't DF. Plus: The player can jump off the raft; Calculating every single thing outside of the raft for movement would drop the framerate to unplayable; Islands wrap around, and have a vector for relative coordinates, though they remain unloaded; Z-fighting and other floating-point-error-related graphics distortions occur at large distances, which shows that those distances are actually being travelled, and it would be a massive waste of time to program it differently... In other words, this is wrong. No sane development company would do this, with a game such as this, if they wanted to be remotely successful

I mean, maybe someone can prove me wrong here, so that I can go yell at the Raft devs about how shit they're programming their game

​@@corruptconverter2616 It's not that crazy, actually. We do know that having the boat too far away from your position can cause the islands you are standing on to disappear, so it seems the map is loaded around the raft and not around the player. Anyway, from a development perspective, they could be doing some aggressive culling around the world's points of interest by calculating the distance between the raft's center and the origin point of the islands, and then load/unload them based on that. For maximum optimization, the position of the world in the raft could be represented as a transformation matrix that gets applied to all non-raft objects, which is something that is already done constantly when rendering.

@@neirenoir Island unloading is simple: If it's over 400 units away from the raft, then you unload it. That doesn't mean that they move around the raft, but it does mean that they don't impact performance if you're not close to them.

I once got lost and decided to wrap around the snowy planet. It was fun but painful

Weirdly enough, this is actually another reason why the Earth couldn’t be flat! If it was flat, the gravitational pull towards it center of you were on the edge would be like climbing up at 90 degree slope.

I've started an attempt to build roads between the 6 surface beacon things on the first planet in Astroneer. It's a little annoying to do, because I have to change the angle of the road after a while, to keep in line with the curving planet surface. :)

@@baby-moon. well, not if all of science is wrong. Maybe earth is constantly accelerating upwards, instead of curving spacetime. Maybe nasa just wants you to believe in spacetime, and thats why the liberal propagandists in hollywood make movies like interstellar. Its all a lie. Help me

@@baby-moon. The flat earthers would simply tell you that gravity doesn't actually exist and that the earth is continuously accelerating upwards

Thank you for saving me 13 minutes

It was very obviously not how the game works at all. Not even Minecraft does that and they have one of the most advanced map generation systems in gaming.

@Sarah Wallace how was it obvious? If the game goes around a repeating sphere (unlike minecraft where it generates NEW biomes)

@@ItIsHendi Because no game goes in a sphere. Every single video game you play is a flat plane. There is no map for Raft. It is randomly generated and the world only exists within so many meters of your raft. That "sailing around the world" was obvious bullshit. What happens tech wise is that the island spawns in when the coordinates are entered. When you cross a certain distance away from the island it will instead spawn somewhere close. This is why you can't leave it, sail in a straight line, and run into it again. Think about it like this. If the world actually existed, wouldn't you run into the story islands out of order by accident at times? That doesn't happen. Instead the first and last island are basically the same distance from each other since neither exists until you ask them to.

@@sarahwallace1103 "No game goes in a sphere" Spore says hello

Yes

And graystill plays

and RCE

@@Plurmple1 no he is shit now tf u mean

And CallMeKevin

Spot on! The game world's origin point is those four foundations that you spawn on, and the raft itself is the only thing not moving in the whole game. The islands are merely objects that get deleted when they move too far away, and respawned ahead of the raft.

The game world is centered on the raft and extends infinitely in all directions. Islands and other objects spawn in and move relative to the raft. It's nothing to do with rendering at that distance, but rather that nothing wraps around at all.

same

giga chad

I'd this a new thing? I have never seen this before

@@Bioniclema90 there called super Thanks. There left of the download option there the heart icon with the word thanks. There not super new.

@@That_One_Guy101 They're, they're they're and they're. It's seriously not difficult. There - look, over there! (Place) Their - Their house (Possesive) They're - They're kind (Contraction of _they_ and _are_ )

"How" is simple enough. The pertinent question is "why bother".

Yeah

It’d be epic if they did a crazy collab video

yep all the tiny rafts float together like some kind of swarm even without any connecting parts

happy birthday!

happy birthday

Happy Birthday!!! 🎉🎂 🎉

Happy birthday!

Happy birthday

It's just straight-up not possible, because that's not how the game works. You also can't have more than one raft. The game world is centered on the raft. Those four tiles you spawn on are the coordinates 0,0, and everything else moves around the raft. So whatever you try to reach the edge or wrap around simply won't work due to the design of the game.

@@MGSLurmey LGIO showed you can technically have multiple rafts. They are all still locked to the origin point tho

@@atrane365 because they're not multiple rafts. They're a single raft. They're always treated as a single entity. They're just separate structures.

when he said the game hated building in water, i had the same thought lol

You have to build supports for floors. he'd either have to ramp upwards continuously or build two pieces for each square while swimming.

@@DrgnZip Detail Planks

yes, there's two editors N8 and Scarecrow scarecrow was the old one and still edits part of the videos, but N8 does most of them now i'm not a fan of n8s edits tbh *there's subtle differences

I miss his stardew valley stuff

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You can build multiple rafts in the base game and they will all float together

maybe

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA, I LIKE THAT PUN, IT'S SO FUNNY, YOU MADE MY LOL OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!

it was there in the beginning

What is the overall draw of the game for you? From what I've seen I don't see the hype.

No, its cause of me. I asked if he could make a raft that circled the world

@@isaacgonzo we all did

the matpat (game theorists) one at the start got me

Kinda.. The game world extends infinitely in all directions from the original four platforms you spawn on, which is the origin point. It's not really generating more ocean, as the game world itself is just two flat planes (the water surface and the sea floor) with objects such as islands spawning in and moving around it, then getting deleted when they move too far away. The lag wasn't due to the size of the game world, which never changes, it was due to the game having to recalculate the weight and motion of the raft with each foundation added.

@@MGSLurmey oh... sorry

And Graystillplays

Thank you! I do a little extra when I can.

descending?

It's not an ascending prosess

Wait what... What first point... What do you mean

The islands despawn when they move too far away from the raft's centre point (the four foundation pieces you spawn on), marking the origin of the game world. Story islands are immediately respawned so the player can progress, all other objects continue to spawn randomly ahead of the raft. The raft itself is the only thing that doesn't move. All other objects move around it, and the world itself is only defined by two infinite and parallel planes marking the water's surface and the sea floor.

It's even better than that. The raft's center *is* the center of the world. Those four planks you spawn on are the origin point for the entire world, so everything else moves around the raft.

I think your right because his character was jittering like how minecraft starts to jitter when you get to far from 0,0. Im also pretty sure I had a discussion with one of my teachers a few months ago on the subject of world origins in games and that the furhter you go the more wierd things that happen (jittery character/camera, in minecraft the grid doesnt line up with the blocks, etc)

@@TimelordSnowy yep. the only truly unusual thing in this case is that they center around the raft and not the player. re-centering around the player is a common way of getting around this limitation

i have a dog named Mango.

@@caligraham7798 We should make a gang

@@IjiModo and what would this gang be about?

Hey it’s josh welcome back to let’s game it out today we’re gonna destroy the frame rate with decorative planks

The game world extends infinitely and is centered on the raft, so yes and no. You can just keep building, until your computer explodes that is.