If you listen to the acolytes of carbon emissions reduction, they will continue to crank up the regs like a python until we are all riding bicycles. Ultimately YOU are the carbon they want to reduce....
There is actually no reason at all to reduce carbon emissions. Let’s look at this like we aren’t insane liberals pretending Hunter isn’t a crack head. Our planet which has been here for about a billion years longer then humans is actually smarter then we are. The more animals (humans) or any other animal on the planet, the more food the planet has to produce to support said animals so the planet knowing this heats up to create a longer growing season for the herbivores and in turn more food for the carnivores. So the planet heating up isn’t a bad thing at all. Now I know I know everyone says but but but the oceans are gonna rise and flood the coast lines. Negative not gonna happen the hotter the planet gets the faster the water on the planet evaporates and the more it rains to produce more plant matter if every gram of snow on the planet all melted tomorrow because the planet was so hot it would just evaporate and fall back down as rain somewhere and more then likely our deserts and Sahara’s would turn back into forests and grasslands for the herbivores. Every single liberal green idiot needs a real lesson in how our plant works.
Well done video. I like the Cummins gas motor option in the heavy duty truck applications. Should help bridge the gap with low end torque between diesel and gas engines, especially while towing. Cummins is the perfect company to introduce these new generations of gas engines based on their previous reputation of power and reliability across the board.
I can imagine the sound living in an emissions state of a gas 6.7 cummins with no muffler. I think I can live with the loss of the hemi in the 1500 if I can hear that cummins sound legally. And the reliability of a deleted 6.7 and some because id assume that a failing gas injector cant melt a piston, let alone a diesel piston. Pray they actually do this. Id go as far to say that if done, the gas 6.7 would lower current pre emission diesel prices back to normal.
The Duke says, who says it's going to be overbuilt? Diesel engines are overbuilt by design because of the high compression they create. You don't need an over designed overbuilt block for a gas motor. For example the 6.4 hemi is not built like a diesel engine. That includes Chevy and Ford. Stellantis is going to want them to make it as light as possible. What did I teach you?
@@bigedmayrait would be more expensive to design and build two different engine blocks, did you not watch the video at all. He literally said they plan to use the engine base engine design and essentially only change the head based on what fuel the engine will be using. Much cheaper to design and produce 1 engine with interchangeable parts than design 2 or 3 different engines
From my personal experience with hd diesels, paccar cummins perkins detroit CAT, and learning from old school mechanics. I personally believe that the gas inline 6 could be a new power base do to displacement and revamped designs, coming a long way from prior inline gassers, with alot of upgrades to the older style engines they could get pretty rowdy. In short I'm excited🤘
I like this gas engine with a turbo. The horsepower and torque numbers sound good and is prolly a lot more cost effective than a diesel. I like my diesel but this would be a good alternative
They did this because aftertreatment woes on the mid duty diesel trucks are causing too many problems. The 6.7 gasser is going into class 5 trucks only
@bigmurph1447 yes it would be Turbo. As Cummins is marketing that 6.7 gas with a Turbo. Since it would be interchangeable with the head, to run on different fuel.
@bigmurph1447 Yes, it is single turbocharged. There's already published information on this engine, Google cummins B6.7 Octane engine and see for yourself. This engine looks very promising, having no aftertreatment, no EGR, just turbo GDI with a three-way engine mounted catalyst. I really hope Stellantist uses this engine
I love this concept, I hope this engine is successful. If they had a very base model heavy duty truck with this engine, that would be my dream truck. No big screen, no farkles, basic radio,and vinyl seats. Even steal wheels would be great!
Fuel efficiency good towing characteristics, good midrange torque output, good parts availability, user serviceability. Longevity being high likely. Definitely a contender if offered in power wagon trim. Or just general work truck trim.
I understand when you say "no emissions" what you mean, but consider you will still be looking at catalytic converter(s), EGR, EVAP, etc. I fully understand the advantages you refer to not having an exhaust filter SCR, DEF etc and not having those are huge but there are still emission control devices involved.
Kubota does this with their engines, the gas versions are just as robust and reliable as the diesel engines. I think this could be the same for Cummins and be a huge hit.
Will I be rushing out to trade in my all paid for bought new 2023 Ram 2500 HD 6.4 for this? No I’ll let the overzealous guinea pigs test it for me first on their dime ! 😂 My 6.4 does whatever I need it to do.
@billyzgoneape umm... you probably are completely unaware that diesel is quite a bit more expensive than gas. If you factor in price per mile, gas wins or equals out. Those 2500s have over 3k lbs of payload compared to 1,800 with a diesel. I have a megacab wit 4.10 rears. I live in an area thats flatter to my east and mountains to the west. I get 19mpg+ if i go east and 17.5 going west. If I am pulling horses, I get 12.2 everywhere. It doesn't seem to matter the direction. I don't drive like a jackass though. I have way over 1 million miles pulling oversized loads in a big truck. That 392 is plenty for 15k lbs. The raiting on my vin says 18,900. I don't think that's logical with any 2500. This 6.4 is fully forged. You probably didnt know that. Right down to the wrist pins. I have seen a guy with a fleet of 6, 6.4l 3500s that pull hot shots of 20k all the time. He's getting 350-450k .miles with zero issues. This cummins gasser is the same as the diesel with a different head. It probably will be better yet.
@@billyzgoneapeYa who wants more payload, no emissions or def, and to spend $10k less? A diesel makes less and less sense- these days it’s almost always going to cost more in the short and long term.
I do believe partly that the 5l was a fail and the 6.7 issues all stem from epa standards. I had a 12.7l Detroit from 2000. I put on am oversized turbo and turned it up around 525hp. I ran the piss out of it for about a million miles before I sold it. Still didn't use oil. Had an N14 from 1995, same thing. 410hp. I had another n14, it was a wierd hp, 485. No issues. My dad's last motor was a C15 from 2004. He had 650k miles and then went in and took the egr out and slapped on a big turbo, then had it turnned up to over 700hp to the ground. He ran it to 1.8 million miles like that. It was using a gallon of oil every 12k miles at the end. He did an in frame and he's around 2.5 million right now. Cat made him put all the crap back on to get the factory warrenty in the rebuild. When you're blowing 30k to rebuild a motor, you want the 250k mile warranty. They need to just leave these makers alone and let them build what sells. My dad still has a 2003 ram with the 5.7l he bought new in aug of 2002. Not a thing wrong with the mechanical aspect at all. The body is rusting.
That would be a great idea. All 2500s and 3500s and up will have the same engine mounts and engine, making manufacturing easier and cheaper. It will be up to the owner to decide whether they want a gas or diesel version.
I'm sure you'll mention this in your 5 con's video, but unless Ram finally gives up their blind adherence to the 10k GVWR for the 2500's, switching to the gas Cummins could be the death nail for their gas HD truck line. One of the prime benefits of a current gas 2500 over a Diesel is the difference in curb weight thus higher payload. If you've got a common block and a lot of similar componentry, yes you'll shave some weight by ditching the aftertreatment system, but that is gonna be one hefty beast. Far heavier than a gas HD buyer is going to be accustomed to.
I think it would be a great idea., all I hear about with many new engines from all companies are timing chain and cam phaser issues. These high dollar vehicles with expensive repairs before you can even pay the vehicle off. Put the Cummins in with a 100K warranty and it should sell well.
Imagine if Cummins did a Ford PowerBoost version of this engine. Possible 400+hp with 700lb-ft of torque plus the ability to add as an electrical generator. It would be a hell of a service truck.
I think I will keep my 02 80k miles fully built...and my fully DELETED 27MPG 600HP 1,500 ft lb 18 CUMMINS....and diesel is .50 cents a gallon cheaper, almost always where I live. But great video and good options for future buyers
I suppose this goes along with the Hurricane I6. For smog reasons it may have been more cost effective to have an all new I6 than add new items to the 6.4 hemi. I never heard of a GDI hemi V8, and I do not know what would be needed to make one. Until GM made the Gen V LS, I figured it took a DOHC 4V engine to have a GDI engine. A low revving I6 makes sense for long life. The Ford 300/4.9 was an overbuilt engine with a low redline. It only got cancelled to meet smog. The 1996 F150 was the last one, and it had all kinds of extra smog stuff. It led to the basic 1997 F150 getting the 4.2 V6.
Very interesting. Love my 6.7 3500 (2011 so no def😊). Amazing truck and motor. Could be a big winner for both RAM and C to have gas version. My negatives are: 1- Cost. C motors adds a big premium to HD trucks. No way the gas version can compete with Stellantis cost to build a 6.4 Hemi. 2- Untested bleeding edge. Risk to both Ram and C to go high production of first gasser. The could be devastating to both if this engine is a stinker. 3- Performance. High torque, yes, but will likely be quite slow by going with the diesel block and long stroke pistons. So RU-vid will have fun showing off how Ford and GM walks over the C Rams ( except for towing, which is what counts). 4- Ram HD production very limited to what Cummins production volume of gas power plants. C volume of 6.7 Diesel was much less than half of the total Ram HD trucks. This new gas power plant would mean all Ram HD must have a C engine. 5- Weight. The 6.7 power plant is about 1100lbs. 6.4 is less than half. This could be a real issue for those that need high payload more than high towing capacity. Anyways, I still think good on Cummins for coming up with modern solutions.
A lot of people like to compare the price of gas engine HD trucks vs diesel HD trucks. I see a lot of people compare things like MPG and fuel prices as well as maintenance and upfront costs. What I don't see a lot of is the resale factor. I could absolutely get away with a gas engine, but I drive a diesel instead, and it's simply because of longevity and resale. When you factor in how a diesel holds its value, they're almost always a better financial decision in the end.
I think it would be great and then people can stop thinking large black clouds of smoke means power lol. Since ford and dodge used to be all in the same company just before the dinosaurs, i can see how they have some competition between them. Everyone know the 300-6 was the best motor ever so why not start putting out more inline gassers? Also from what ive gathered over the years is that you’re actually wanting a pro-charger (belt driven turbo) or regular supercharger ? For engine temps? But im aware that exhaust driven turbos are more powerful , but belt to me sounds a lil more drivability controlling🤷🏽
If Ram wants to gain market share on its HD trucks, it’s going to need to significantly improve payload, towing and it should discontinue the mega cab and bring the 1/2 ton crew cab body over to the HD trucks. I’d simplify the HD trucks offering a single cab, and crew cab. I’d the. Make sure they have the best body, frame and powertrain with an update scheduled for every 4 years and an “all new” truck every 8 years. Currently the RAM HD is the old frame, pretty much the old cab with updated interior and front end.
Using some old technology but different kick off. Like the older Chevy diesels that are not Detroit design. The diesel engine was so weak that GM made a gas conversion kit. The gas conversion produces more power than the diesel counterpart. With Cummins doing a gas engine head design, this will be a high compression gas engine. If it wants to pass emissions, the high likely fuel going to be used is E-85 know full well what EPA is going to set. 91 Octane will be minimum. It'd be more interesting how they are going to get to set for 87 Octane. This is going to be interesting.
This combo could keep me in a Ram From what info I have seen out the only difference between the gas and diesel 6.7 is from the head gasket up I am sure there will be slightly different pistons but they are claiming the rest is the same engine
I love the thought of this.....only thing I wonder about is the cost. Considering it shares a bunch of components fromt the diesel, whats the price difference going to be compared to a diesel. People would probably stick with a diesel is its only 3k difference. My 7.3 gas was almost 10k less. It needs to be really cheap or it may not gain traction in the hd truck market.
Being turbocharged I just wonder what the MPG would be compared to the 7.3 Ford. I know towing with my EcoBoost is not eco under boost. I'm all for it though!
I suspect most won’t be interested due the low HP figure and will likely be slower than the other HD gas engines….plus the weight of the 6.7 Cummins block eating up a large portion of the trucks payload.
I'd like to see this but, given the direction of the other manufacturers, I wouldn't be surprised to see an inline turbo 4 out of a Neon or something. The era of "good" engines appears to be ending, and we're left with overstressed, short-lifespan motors. That said, if Cummins creates a 6.7L gas engine, I'd hope they have both port and direct injection.
Beerware Guys on these new fifth generation ram heavy duties. I’ve have more than several trucks with hydraulic lifter failures. One is so bad that a new engine a dealer at a cost of $40,000 there are no manufacture options either through third-party or the dealer. The manufacture and Cummins are screwing us when it’s cheaper to buy a truck, steal the powertrain from it and ported out.
I'm waiting for that 6.7 gas engine to come out because I'm going to swap my 5.9 with it I'm also going to put a 6-speed manual behind it waiting for that crate engine to come out
Would be cool to have a gasoline Cummins engine, but where would it fit? Would it be able to tow the same as a diesel engine? If it’s just going to tow the same as a 7.3, our company would rather stick to that since ford HD gas engines are pretty easy to work on and very reliable.
I think Ram would probably want it to sit above the 7.3L but obviously below the diesel engines. It is an interesting question because the gas engine are starting to really push into the diesel engines territory. the 7.3 I think can tow north of 18K when properly equipped so I can't blame anyone going with Fords Godzilla engine!
Looks like it’ll be a great motor but marketing will have to overcome the 325hp rating in a creative way. We all know that HP sells, torque does not even though that’s what’s important for a HD truck. When the competition is at 400+hp and this is at 325 it’s a hard uphill battle even with its impressive torque.
Completely agree. I chat about this in my next video. I would think if they did go with this engine they would try and tune it more aggressively to get closer to 400.
The Duke says, the fact that they're even considering this tells me that they know the end of days is near for diesel. I had them in the past they were good back then but not anymore. Still I hate to see it go. What did I teach you?
volvo,mack, peterbilt and kenworth no longer carry cummins engines like they did in the past since most have a either an in house made engine or transmission and some have both, and toyota is building fuel cell powerplants for paccar , and the ram looks to have a fuel cell for its ram brand from stellantis mexico.
There is no way that Ram or Cummins will be able to tune a 6.7L cummins gas motor to do away with emissions components. You have to have emissions components on the vehicle to satisfy current emissions standards. If companies could get away with a tune to not have to install emissions components they wpuld have done it years ago because the manufacturering costs and R&D time on them is long and expensive. It would bring down the cost of production but because you have to have them to be EPA compliant then your getting them
Don’t think it’s snake oil when a lot of the major diesel shops in the US and Canada are installing the SOA pistons, in their engines with a substantial power train warranties…. Not to mention they have all the appropriate EPA compliance standards surpassed.
@JohnSmith-lf4be i dont think you understand. The government has effectively killed the diesel engine. The amount of problems the emissions systems on modern diesels have, paired with the higher cost of fuel and repairs, make it more difficult to justify a diesel for anyone who doesnt Tow heavy loads on the regular.
Who really thought 80 miles pulling a travel trailer to a gas station. Then, having to drop that trailer to use the supercharger, which took almost 2 hours to charge, was acceptable performance?
The one thing that's disappointing with this engine is the horsepower. 325 is anemic in a 7000-9000 lb truck. Torque is great, but if it takes you a mile to get up to 60 mph......
Bingo, thats the first thing I'm talking about in the next video. not to mention the dyno's of this gas engine only rev to 3,200 rpm.. so depending on how they set up the turbo it could be a bit of slow rolling train.
@@bigmurph1447 they were dogs and the trucks were lighter. So was my '99 F250 w/ 7.3PS. Pulled great, but was a dog. Trucks now are a lot heavier. And 325 HP is pathetic for 2024.
Torque is more important than power in a truck. Theres a reason you dont see a turbo Honda motor in a hevay duty truck. And also why the Mazda REPU died.
imo i think Cummins also sees the future of commercial/fleet pickup trucks (for now, anyway) is hybrid & NOT diesel in many applications. With the weight of new diesel vehicles when you factor in the aftertreatment systems, it's a no-brainer because of all the "zero-emission" technology Cummins ahs invested in recently.
the 6.4 hemi will soldier on..the gas Cummins IF it happens will be a $10,000 option...people thinking the 6.4 is dead ....are not in reality. IF the 6.4 goes.. it might be replaced by a bored and or stroked 3.0 liter hurricane...( i6 can be done easy without misbalance) maybe to 4-5 liters...reality says RAM will not be cost effective with a 6.7 Cummins gas as a base engine... and i don't see the hurricane in its current form making it to the HD...however i do see the 6.4 remaining as the base engine and the Cummins being a 10k option...But mark my words Your not getting a gas Cummins for less than 8k....maybe without the DPF added cost it can get to 8k..but the 6.4 id bet on staying around ...ram cant put a 10k engine in the ram and be competitive with the GM 6.6 and Ford 7.3 and those 2 engines wont compete with a gas Cummins 660 lb ft (plus) engine. Cummins has to make a profit on these engines..so yeah 8k minumum...this will come with the more expensive powerline tranny. ID order the cummins gasser tomorrow..im over emissions but need the torque
Bottom line, if Trump gets back in, we will have more time. If the nonsense get back in, we're screwed in every way possible. Our gas and oil prices will continue to skyrocket along with the price of everything else
I found the perfect thing for my 2004 Dodge Ram with the Hemi Banks Engineering Auto mind with the sport tune and Banks recommended shift points along with my tire size make the speedometer correct makes the whole thing worth it now it holds the gear without hunting and downshifting when I pass it makes gain on the throttle that makes it very froggy and ready to run
As a Dodge/RAM truck fan all my 63 years and being a mechanic for 45 years I think it would be foolish if they don't use this engine in the HD RAM trucks.
I couldn't imagine being a mechanic and still somehow being so ignorant that I'd continue to buy dodge vehicles. The amount of short cuts and cost cutting I find on these trucks is disgusting and that's speaking from experience on our half ton and 1 ton service trucks. And from experience doing a resto on a 90 ramcharger. Junk brand selling you a half ass product designed to fail, at least they made them simple to fix for the most part.
@@frankenstrat25all brands have these short cuts you speak of and dodge makes the nicest trucks with the least short cuts imo so pick your choice. I know people with 3-700k miles on their trucks. I think we know what we’re doing
That’s by design. These “democrats” are pushing for a socialist/communist one world order where the majority are dirt poor and only the filthy rich own vehicles, property and eat real foods
Wrong, I've owned several of them including the fuel injected models and they are absolute dogs compared to a 302/5.0. My current daily driver is a 95 Econoline with a 4.9 l and even after converting it to a side draft Delorto 2v carburetor it still gets 10 to 11 Mi per gallon and is a total dog, causing me to hand shift it to keep up with traffic
Personally I think they should stop taking things away from us like children and let us choose ex. 6.4 6.7 5.7 etc. why try and fix it/take it if it’s not broken! Grow up!!!
You know, I love the idea of this. Especially the “overbuilt” aspect of this gasoline engine. However, I can’t help be skeptical wondering if Stellantis will do this. I have no inside information, but it sure seems to me it’s going to be one heavy, and expensive engine. I can understand the efficiencies in manufacturing, but I’m not sure it will be enough to prevent a large increase in MSRP. As far as performance, it’s going to have to be a low-revving grunt monster. I can’t see this reciprocating mass revving much. Probably will be fine (probably great) in a big truck. I’m cautiously excited.
The expensive parts of the diesel Cummins are, the ultra high pressure fuel pump, the Ultra high pressure injectors, the $8,000.00-ish to replace exhaust, take this away and you get a much simpler, much lower cost, much lower maintenance engine. The problem with all the current gas turbo truck engines is super high cylinder pressures, heat etc from squeezing tons of horsepower out of half this engine size.
Large I6’s tend to have exactly the torque curve you’re talking about. Max torque well below 2500 rpms. The old Ford 300s acted just like that. A bigger, more modern HD I6 just makes sense. V8s are great, but an inline just makes more sense for a truck.
If you have strong enough rods and pistons, you can make great bottom end torque all day long. Dwell time can certainly break stuff, but if the engine is designed as a package it's not a problem.
High rpm's are what kills any engine and any kind of fuel economy. Just look at the old john Deer 2 cylinder engine's those low rpm things have been around since almost the beginning of time and most still run,low rpm and high torque is we're it's at ,a decent engine shouldn't have to turn 8k rpm to make max hp and torque
The Cummins gas engine might just be the ticket. Imagine everything you love about your current Cummins including the awesome fuel economy, now imagine the fuel is 50 cents cheaper and there’s no def. Win win win.
I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but here in southern Nevada diesel is finally about 50 cents less than regular unleaded. NOW the world is no longer upside down like its been for several years in this aspect. Now, cheaper fuel, better MPG, better reliability and longevity in a diesel, so I'll keep my 2006 pretty EGR system 24 Valve 5.9 Cummins. Never had an issue with this engine.
Diesel was always $0.50 cheaper then gasoline until the year 2000. Consequently, gasoline was $1.46 in 2000. Now in 2014 diesel prices went to being $0.50 cheaper then gasoline that year but, no one ever said anything or ask why. Like it never happened.
