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Ram 3500 6.7L Cummins Diesel (High Output) *Heavy Diesel Mechanic Review* | 3 Reasons Its the BEST 

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@refugiopoint
@refugiopoint Год назад
The very fact that someone is willing to spend their time sharing knowledge and interesting cool stuff, in a video format, fore free, is such a blessing......this guy is great at what he does, very talented. Thank you
@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849
@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 Год назад
He’s paid but yes. Capitalism is good, it creates win wins ;)
@medicchester
@medicchester Год назад
❤😊
@jiahmiller3861
@jiahmiller3861 6 дней назад
​@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 Yessir, that's very true! ❤
@guilfordterminal
@guilfordterminal 6 месяцев назад
I was driving my 04.5 3500 dually to Kapuskasing pulling my 18,000 pound toy hauler. We drove the last 3 hours into a 50 mph headwind at a steady 70 mph with my foot to the floor the whole time. When I arrived just after dark, we got out of the truck and I noticed a red glow under the engine. I popped the hood thinking there was a fire and I was amazed to see the exhaust headers were cherry red up to the first connection. The water temp was in the normal range the whole time. I put 450,000 miles on that truck and the engine never used a drop of oil in between changes. I've owned 5 one ton Rams. My present one, a 2016 with 4.10 differential and the 6 speed Aisin transmission is the best I've ever had.
@manuelguzmanjr6622
@manuelguzmanjr6622 4 месяца назад
So good to hear feedback from an actual diesel mechanic who literally puts his hands on these engines.
@alexaltrichter1597
@alexaltrichter1597 Год назад
I have a 95 Dodge 12valve Cummins that I've plowed snow with for 25 years. 295k on the clock ,original injectors and pump. I recently deleted the fuel heater because of leaks and replaced the lift pump. This may sound a bit crazy but it still has the original automatic transmission in it , although it's had a couple of fluid changes.
@bigmike9433
@bigmike9433 Год назад
I have a 2006 ram. My transmission lasted 350k. I've got 523,000. I have changed my injectors twice. But I'm a happy camper.
@markam306
@markam306 Год назад
Another big advantage of the straight 6 diesel engines is each piston connecting rod has its own journal on the crankshaft. (In V engines each journal is connected to two pistons.). The straight 6 engine therefore has more bearing area per connecting rod and therefore lasts longer, much longer. Several decades ago most manufactures in the US had V8 diesel engines, they didn’t last as long and were discontinued.
@aaronhumphrey2009
@aaronhumphrey2009 Год назад
The performance of the 5.0 Cummins V8 has been underwhelming. Not as durable or fuel efficient as the I6 6.7
@markam306
@markam306 Год назад
@@aaronhumphrey2009 I’ve heard the same. The engines that are now in the Nissan pickup trucks were designed from the start for light duty trucks. Of course the first requirements were keep the weight down and engine length. For a diesel engine this is not a recipe for long life.
@bfields1448
@bfields1448 Год назад
All in line engines are that way
@Truthcanbeconfusing
@Truthcanbeconfusing 11 месяцев назад
But the piston and rod are bigger so force divided by bearing surface area is not as advantageous as you might think
@Kopester
@Kopester Месяц назад
Far more room to work as well☝️
@johnmac4769
@johnmac4769 Год назад
My dream truck. Ford body/frame, GM transmission and cummins engine.
@wizard_of_poz4413
@wizard_of_poz4413 Год назад
Realistically dodge has come a long way since fiat got them to get their act together
@johnmac4769
@johnmac4769 Год назад
@Noodles I have a Ford F250, 6.7. I have 133K on it and the only thing I have done ourside of normal maintenance is clean the EGR cooler. I did it myself for the cost of a gasket set. So far so good.
@qx4n9e1xp
@qx4n9e1xp Год назад
GM Transmission 🤣🤣🤣 🥹 Boy, you have me rolling.
@wizard_of_poz4413
@wizard_of_poz4413 Год назад
@@qx4n9e1xp the 10sp is a gm transmission
@darryladams519
@darryladams519 Год назад
Just get a 2013 to 2018 ram with the 408 cid Cummins with a manual transmission and don't worry about it.
@dave41590
@dave41590 Год назад
Another big advantage to an in-line six is the fact that there’s only one Rod connected to each rod journal making it twice as strong as a V-8 which has two rods on each journal
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
didn't even think of that! great point Dave!
@smokiethebear3334
@smokiethebear3334 Год назад
I don’t see that making much sense, so one Rod journal some how doubles the strength of the block? What about the in-line 6 cylinder displacement differences compared to a v-8? I think you’re reaching.
@dave41590
@dave41590 Год назад
@@smokiethebear3334 with a V-8 there’s two rods on the journal the rods and the bearings are a lot smaller than an in-line where there is only one Rod per journal pretty simple it doesn’t have anything to do with the block
@smokiethebear3334
@smokiethebear3334 Год назад
@@dave41590 where are the Rod journals located? I’m just trying to comprehend your thought process, in-line 6 to a v8 as the block is where the changes are mostly located, are you saying the crank is twice as strong? They’re only smaller as they have less displacement.
@dave41590
@dave41590 Год назад
@@smokiethebear3334 Rod journals don’t have anything to do with displacement
@matthewmccaskey
@matthewmccaskey Год назад
I own a 1998.4 - 12 Valve in a Dodge 3500. I've replaced the lift pump, had the P7100 and injectors rebuilt, replaced the water pump and thermostat, and that's it!!! Still runs and pulls great!!
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
those 5.9's were a different animal
@hagestad
@hagestad Год назад
yep those diesels these days suck Donkey D..k. More than 30 years ago mercedes made om606. That engine with half the size could do the same job more reliably. Not to mention that with catalytic converter it could past emission tests for 2020 (tested by some Germans- source .. dont remember)
@warrenmcelroy4718
@warrenmcelroy4718 Год назад
Sorry friend but your truck isn’t a 1998.4, it’s not even a 1998.5 if it came factory with a 12 valve, it’s a 1998. Even the 24 valve trucks are 1998 models, we just use the term 1998.5 to let folks know it’s a 24 valve
@matthewmccaskey
@matthewmccaskey Год назад
@@warrenmcelroy4718 Mine was built at the St Louis assembly plant December 1997. Its a 1998.4.
@warrenmcelroy4718
@warrenmcelroy4718 Год назад
@@matthewmccaskey haha man there is no such thing as a 1998.4 model. Go dig your title out and look at what the year model says. It will say 1998. The only reason people use the term “‘98.5” is to let folks know it’s the 24 valve model of the split year trucks but even those trucks are still actually ‘98 models. Some people say “early 98”, or “late 98”. To truck guys all over the country, if your truck has a 12 valve engine then it’s considered a ‘98 model, or, an early 98…. Which btw is considered the Best of the Best for the 12 valve trucks. What cab configuration and transmission does it have? Is it four wheel drive? … just curious
@Jorgemartinez-qo6yq
@Jorgemartinez-qo6yq Год назад
I have a 21 high output to tow my RV. Can’t believe how much power they have. Torque is crazy. Thanks for the video. I agree with you.
@davidhartnett3836
@davidhartnett3836 Месяц назад
I got my same year dually and I towed 28000lbs on the gooseneck the second day I got it. Keep it in 5th if you aren't going above 75mph. They do even better
@70ss8
@70ss8 Год назад
FINALLY!!!!! someone online that knows WTF he's talking about and not wasting our time watching him. I just subscribed and gave a thumbs up. Thanks man!
@Badlanders214
@Badlanders214 Год назад
I've learned more in three videos than I have in twenty years of owning rigs, great videos!
@downbytheriver501
@downbytheriver501 3 месяца назад
The Cummins: A motor so well built the competition has to add more cylinders and gears in their trucks just to keep up.
@speed150mph
@speed150mph 11 месяцев назад
I have a 2012 ram, pre DEF. Love that truck. Dually with a 6 speed manual. Only thing I would love to change about that truck is to put an eaton 9 speed in it for better towing
@bengesell
@bengesell Год назад
i sure like my 2017 6.7powerstoke with 280K miles. But I hear ya about the cummins 6.7. Excellent engine! Thanks for a great review of the cummins.
@GaryBlankenship96b40
@GaryBlankenship96b40 Год назад
I own a 2022 dodge ram 3500 ho cummins limited longhorn. I added all the banks addons. Just to hopefully extend longterm durability. I change everything at half what book recommends. Also added pacbrake oil filter relocation because of larger intercooler tubes. Also fuel filter kit using catipillar filters . Factory is 3 micron on engine fuel filter and 4 or 6 on fuel tank.
@williamroberts8550
@williamroberts8550 Год назад
I have a 2012 RAM 2500 with the Cummins and love it. I put 3.5" banks boost tubes, bank's ram air cold air kit and the banks monster ram with the grid heater relocation. 4" MBRP muffler and a few other mods. I get 21mpg around town on 35" tires. The heater grid relocation really lets them breath. I love the motor with the upgrades. I always run fuel treatment for lubricity. It's EDT every day diesel treatment. I only have 95k on it.
@steddyk
@steddyk Год назад
I went 22 L5P, so far it pulls and rides nice. Hopefully it lasts. I’ve never been a fan of Ram grills but can’t deny the Cummins legendary status.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
yes but the L5P is a good engine! treat it right and you'll have lots of life in it!
@tomboy1875
@tomboy1875 Год назад
My dad and little bro use them in the long woods. My dads is a service truck with a hot tune in it that is fun as ever to drive. It hooked to a freightliner that was pulling an old army semi and bark chipper that was stuck on a hill and pulled the whole rig out raising hell the whole time lol. My little bro was givin a 2018 Denali duramax for his sweet 16 and after he deleted it running on 37’s nittos I couldn’t come round him in my Camaro from a dead stop. They bought it with 6k miles it’s got close to 100k now with no issues. I will say my dad has a 6.7 Cummins service truck (I don’t know what year) that dropped a valve and he had to replace the whole engine around 150k miles. It happened about a year after he deleted it. They thought it was a bent lifter rod at first but that wasn’t the case. I love straight six engines esp being a semi driver myself but that really surprised me with the Cummins. I’m a die hard Cummins’s and duramax guy but I believe the later 5.9’s are the way to go. My dad has a mega cab and til this day that’s the fastest most reliable diesel I’ve ever seen (other than the transmission lol)
@TheElderOne2003
@TheElderOne2003 Год назад
​@patrickbaptist8233 Someone is jelly they can't afford a truck. Easy there keyboard warrior. LOL. You need a Bud Light?
@williammorgan5987
@williammorgan5987 Год назад
Have you tried, to take a pee standing up. 8 in a V squat to pee lol
@steddyk
@steddyk Год назад
@@williammorgan5987I thought I’d was 6 in row, Weeners in your mouth bro!
@608_diesel
@608_diesel Год назад
I have a 19' Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins. They are fantastic engines and reliable, biggest issues I've found is the notorious grid heater bolt on the 6.7 and with the newer ones, the hydraulic lifters. Every time I do an oil change on my 19' it ticks for a good 500 miles until the new oil gets settled in.
@medicchester
@medicchester Год назад
On the 6.4 gasoline engine, I added Lucas oil additive. Semi Truckers I worked with all used Lucas oil additives in their diesel engine oil. They say 2x the engine life and better MPG, less engine valve noise and ping. After adding Lucas to my Hemi engine 6.4, the engine lifter noise goes away!!!! Am's oil may be the best to use after the warranty I hear. Videos showing valve lifter noise gone using Ams oil.
@kg7228
@kg7228 10 месяцев назад
Oil doesn’t settle in fyi
@kellymichael7362
@kellymichael7362 Год назад
My '93 12v has 423K on it. I've replaced the water pump and injector pump twice. If today's fuel had better lubricity, I wouldn't have had to worry about the injector pump. Everything else is the same, though. Love that truck.
@bfields1448
@bfields1448 Год назад
Put 1 quart of transmission fluid in the gas tank every time you fill it
@kellymichael7362
@kellymichael7362 Год назад
@@bfields1448 Oh yeah.I used to add Power Service to each fill up, but since I got the 2nd pump put in, I started using ATF. I believe the same as you, that ATF adds better lubricity than other fuel additives.
@adidas4275
@adidas4275 11 месяцев назад
what about b20 biodiesel? it has better lubricity than low sulfur
@kellymichael7362
@kellymichael7362 11 месяцев назад
@@adidas4275 Maybe, but I'm still gonna use ATF.
@dustbull70
@dustbull70 3 дня назад
I’ve had 3 Cummins in the past, (2) 12 valve, (1) 5.9 common rail, all manual with 300k+ miles and still living, never stranded me. I debated for a while on the 4th truck but arrived at a 2022 Cummins for essentially everything you pointed out. I do miss the manuals though.
@searlearnold2867
@searlearnold2867 Год назад
You can get a Banks intake and that deletes the heater grid and replaces it with a better intake heater unit. It doesn't fit on the commercial version of the 6.7 in the Ram 4500 and 5500 however, as those engines are set up with a slightly different intake bolt pattern and are de-tuned from the 400hp down to the mid 300's for longevity. It would take machining to fit the Banks intake on the commercial 6.7, voiding your warranty. No word on whether Banks will do an intake for the commercial version.
@darrellsharman9408
@darrellsharman9408 Год назад
I have a 2001 dodge 2500 with a 24 valve Cummins and a 2011 dodge 4500 with the 6.7 and both are sitting at 310000 miles them. Not a single issue with either motor besides water pumps and starters. Love them both!
@kumaquattro
@kumaquattro Год назад
With all the emissions crap on the new diesels, diesels usually won't last as long or be as efficient .
@warrenmcelroy4718
@warrenmcelroy4718 Год назад
If your 2001 has over 300k then there’s no way you haven’t gone through at least one injector pump and one lift pump as well
@darrellsharman9408
@darrellsharman9408 Год назад
@@warrenmcelroy4718 Never have touched anything in the motor except the cork gasket on the left side of the block
@warrenmcelroy4718
@warrenmcelroy4718 Год назад
@@darrellsharman9408 those factory VP44 injector pumps are good for around 200k, most people see them start failing around 180k and the factory lift pump is generally the reason. How long have you had that one? What trans does it have?
@ifyourmarriedyourasimpandacuck
Bragging about lack of maintenance isn't a flex, it means dodges are just trashed, like the owners....
@NM-apache
@NM-apache 10 месяцев назад
I just bought a 2022 2500 Limited Longhorn. I go pick it up November 6th to drive it home. Can't wait!
@kingraptor4310
@kingraptor4310 Год назад
I have a 2004 6.0 with 220,000 miles. I replaced the high pressure oil pump, glow plugs, egr valve. But that’s it . I pull a 36’ fithwheel form Colorado to California many times. It’s been a great truck but I do keep up on maintenance .
@texas4325
@texas4325 2 месяца назад
Just bought my 2024 big horn longbed love it🇺🇸
@RyanChapman-em3xl
@RyanChapman-em3xl Год назад
Pure gold !! Another video full of great information!! Please keep them coming! Always look forward to seeing what your going to do next. Cheers man!
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
Its like you own a high output cummins or something 🤔
@RyanChapman-em3xl
@RyanChapman-em3xl Год назад
@@TheGettyAdventures I heard from a reliable source they are the "Mac Daddy " of all engines so I went out and got myself one
@74willy81
@74willy81 Год назад
There's a very good reason that the Cummins "B" series engine has been chosen to be the power plant of choice for over 900 OEM's around the globe in almost every conceivable sector of industry.
@chrisschumacher1376
@chrisschumacher1376 4 месяца назад
Thank you so much for all the information! It is nice to hear from diesel mechanics that have a lot of experience with a platform, and then provide all that information free of charge!
@jorgemoreno9274
@jorgemoreno9274 Год назад
I have a 2011 Ram 6.7 and I am fixing to hit 400k miles and still going strong
@bfields1448
@bfields1448 Год назад
My 12 has 248,000 runs like new
@vaughanjones6839
@vaughanjones6839 Год назад
Welll Done! For a novice laymen, you provided a GREAT video on the Cummins. Very well done...thanks
@quentonmillstid850
@quentonmillstid850 6 месяцев назад
novice? THAT IS YOU
@Over_the_Hill_RV_Rookies
@Over_the_Hill_RV_Rookies Год назад
Another great video Alex. You have one of the best channels on RU-vid. I just love the growl of the Cummins. The other two just don’t have the same sound. Big 3 all make nice trucks but the Cummins is the only TRUE diesel platform in the HD world. Conceived as a diesel, born as a diesel & all grown up as a diesel. 😊
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
thank you sir! the Cummins does sound really nice, and it certainly is a great engine.
@countcuda70
@countcuda70 Год назад
Doesn't make any sense. Cummins, Duramax and Powerstroke are all "true" diesel engines. All stated as a diesel. Inline configuration doesn't make it a true diesel. Detroit Diesel, Cat, Cummins, Mack... All have/had V configuration.
@G53X0Y0Z0
@G53X0Y0Z0 Год назад
If you are comparing engines of equal displacement and power output, the longer stroke gives the piston more leverage, but the area on the smaller piston is less so with the same cylinder pressure it will have less force. Short strokes will have relatively large bores so the force pushing the piston down will be more. Also, the 6 cylinder will have more displacement per cylinder and therefore larger bores and strokes than the 8 cylinders. Piston speed is an issue for reliability and longevity, especially when the pistons and rods are heavy, short stokes can turn more RPM with the same piston speed as a long stroke engine. There is way more to this issue of RPM, torque, and HP than long strokes vs short strokes than I touched on here.
@clargay
@clargay Год назад
Ram/Cummins has just issued, April 2023, a warning /recall notice for the Cummins engine heater grid bolt that is failing. The issue is a possible failure of the heater relay when starting engine. My RAM is a 2021. There is no fix for this yet or actual recall. This heater grid is a horrible design with a bolt that sits directly atop the intake into the engine. If the relay fails and the power stays on the heater grid, it will burn up the bolt and nut, allowing it to drop and destroy the engine completely. A new plate with a glow plug would eliminate this and remove the restrictive heater grate too. Wiggle your connection to the grid plate often. If it wiggles even a tiny bit, do NOT start your engine. I LOVE my 2021 Ram 3500. I replaced the stock intake and heater grid with a legal Banks system. Now the threat/issue is completely eliminated.
@whiteouttechnologies
@whiteouttechnologies Год назад
Informative video. I've got an L5P and love it, grew up GM but really like the Cummins. Have a buddy with 2020 and had the CP4 failure at 4400 miles. New OEM fuel system after that and really like it. I believe there is support to do a CP3 conversion now.
@scottleggejr
@scottleggejr Год назад
Not to mention all of the transmission failures that plague cummins trucks forever. Apparently the aisin is better but has this "shift flare" issue? Then there's the whole water pump, seatbelt, airbag, tailgate recalls. No thanks. I'm with you I have an L5P and mention the stuff I listed here when I get razzed by my cummins buddies. My truck has had one recall for a block heater. The rams are in the dealer every other week or tore apart waiting on parts "supply chain" nonsense. I'm sure cummins are amazing with a rockwell/sterling trans and kitted up in a mid-duty truck. No thanks on the Stellantis thing though...
@andrewslagle1974
@andrewslagle1974 Год назад
ram recalled all the cp4 trucks 20/21 to put cp3 in them ford is still using the time bomb cp4 even in 2023 models!
@j.l.salayao8055
@j.l.salayao8055 Год назад
My 2017 f350 diesel bought new is now at 124,000 miles and cp4 has been flawless. I've always tried to never keep my fuel below half tank overnight and keep the maintenance of the fuel filter properly with clean fuel is I think the key for mine not having issue.@@andrewslagle1974
@agerardomp
@agerardomp Год назад
Regards Alex. Thankyou so much bh to share yours videos, comments and analysis. No doubt Cummins 6.7 it is one of the best engines and preferred by many. Why not 5.0 cummins at nissan titan? Thank you so much again! Big hug from CDMX, México.
@dannymacnevin3939
@dannymacnevin3939 Год назад
Awesome channel. I had a 2019 Dually with the standard output 6.7, then I bought a 2022 Dually with the H.O 6.7 Cummins. I love my truck, and I only use it for pulling our camper. It is an absolute beast pulling our 16,500lb 5th wheel. I live in PEI, so I might have to pop over to your shop sometime and check it out. Keep up the videos.
@ryleyowen7234
@ryleyowen7234 Год назад
So, I am a diesel technician at a mopar dealership. I work on a lot of these 5th gen rams Cummins. I’m not sure if you know about these new 5th gens 2019-2023’s actually have a different cam, lifter, push rod, and rocker set up reason why they are quieter valve train engine. Because they changed the solid tappet to a hydraulic lifter set up. Now people know that hydraulic lifters have shown to be a common problem. Just recently I had a 2021 ram 2500 6.7 with 37,000 miles with a odd engine tick. Pulled the camshaft. Rockers, push rods, and hydraulic lifters, and sure enough cylinder 6 exhaust rocker failed and damaged the camshaft. Had some odd wear across other valve train components. I would definitely like to get in a phone call or chat to show you what it looks like and discuss what you think about this new set up, as it is not talked about enough in my opinion.
@ricknielsen3660
@ricknielsen3660 7 месяцев назад
I’ve heard a bit about this issue. What would you suggest would be the fix for this oil additive?
@razorworks9942
@razorworks9942 Год назад
Thanks for sharing..I learned something this morning.. "Undersquare"... My first diesel is a 2019 Ram Laramie, with the HD 6.7 and although I was thinking about selling it with only 23,000 miles, maybe I'll hang on to it after watching you... New subscriber... Razor!
@tonysketch
@tonysketch Год назад
I have the same truck
@razorworks9942
@razorworks9942 Год назад
@@tonysketch Post a few pics Tony.. What do you use your truck for?
@tonysketch
@tonysketch Год назад
I am a roofer. Use it to pick up materials such as shingles, lumber and equipment It is a 2019 ram 3500 drw H.O Laramie Deleted I average 15mpg in town and 18 or 19 in hwy It gets better ful milage than my dad's 2005 ram 1500 with the 5.7. That one gets 14mpg I will see about posting some pictures
@razorworks9942
@razorworks9942 Год назад
@Tap_profile11 Is this for real, or another scam?
@richb8061
@richb8061 Год назад
I will be buying a 3500 within the next month here in Ontario, and prob looking for an 8’ box. My biggest decision is such a 1st world problem…. Single cab or crew. 😂 Your content is great man. Keep it up.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
the crew cab long box is a large truck. felt like it was 30 feet long lol
@Bloodbain88
@Bloodbain88 Год назад
You'll regret not getting the crew cab. I bought a 1983 Chevy K30 dually several years ago and decided against finding a crew cab and got a single. As soon as my dog was in there and I had to pick a friend up, I thought ".....crap." And now converted to a manual it's even worse. 2 people tops. If there is a third they're sitting on someone's lap. There is just NO room to put anything in that single cab.
@richb8061
@richb8061 Год назад
@B B what are you using it for?
@johnirwin1837
@johnirwin1837 Год назад
@@TheGettyAdventures , then you need to reassess you feelings. I have one and it does not feel like 30" long. And I am a very old fart.
@johnirwin1837
@johnirwin1837 Год назад
@BB-sc9gj , mine is.
@michaelhibbs4717
@michaelhibbs4717 Год назад
I’m just happy with my 67 Cummins that I’m getting great fuel economy with an EGR delete cold air intake, straight exhaust, one piece driveline one time I got 33.5 miles to the average.
@tomambrosio425
@tomambrosio425 9 месяцев назад
come on man! 33.5 mpg!
@cyclonus01
@cyclonus01 Месяц назад
Lies
@carlosmonzon9272
@carlosmonzon9272 Год назад
Great informative video Alex.........thank you. I purchased my 2022 Dodge 3500 Tradesman based on many favorable reviews online. But none of the reviews l read were very technical. Your videos are not only technical, but are presented in a way were it is very easy for non mechanics like myself to understand. I have been a aerospace engineer for 30 years, so l really appreciate how you explain the mechanics and technical advantages of why the cummins is a good engine. Keep up the great work!
@Contreras-z4e
@Contreras-z4e Год назад
Hopefully u got a warranty I heard bad things about 22 year. Cummins
@carlosmonzon9272
@carlosmonzon9272 Год назад
@@Contreras-z4e Brand new trucks come with a warranty. It appears you never purchased anything new, so you wouldn't know that.
@tomambrosio425
@tomambrosio425 9 месяцев назад
@@Contreras-z4e why do you keep stating this without any proof or back up info. So you're saying the 22 engine is bad compared to the 21 or earlier and the 23
@JeffBrauss
@JeffBrauss Год назад
Just sold almost this same truck (2500 SO vice 3500) for my new 6.4 Hemi 2500. Love my Cummins with no complaints, just hated the def, dpf garbage. Didn’t want to delete for private reasons. Having to drive through a regen when it was snowing with icy roads was misery .. . So far I love my 6.4 with the 8 speed. Mpgs are trash, but I knew that going into it. Just having the simplicity of a gas hd is worth it for me. Great video, man 🤙🏼
@felixwankel3989
@felixwankel3989 Год назад
If I were in the market, gas would be the only way to go. Mpg's dont mean shit with how tempermental, if not unreliable, modern diesel trucks are.
@JeffBrauss
@JeffBrauss Год назад
@@felixwankel3989 truth. Also, I can buy a lot of gas for the 4 thousand dollars a turbo costs, much less the injectors.
@MichaelCsikos
@MichaelCsikos Год назад
Do you miss the diesel's exhaust brake?
@JeffBrauss
@JeffBrauss Год назад
@@MichaelCsikos yes! That and the efficiency (mpgs), but the transmission in tow haul on my gasser, will downshift and create back pressure when going down hill. It’s no where near as effective as my old exhaust break but it’s helps. I still love the simplicity of just starting and going with no def dpf concerns. Seems like if anything goes out on my gasser, any local shop can have it running in no time. Most def dpf parts are on back order (at least they were when I had my Cummins).
@MichaelCsikos
@MichaelCsikos Год назад
@@JeffBrauss And if you keep your truck long enough to need to replace the whole motor, the 6.4 Hemi is much cheaper than the Cummins, right? In Australia, the 6.4 2500s are extremely rare. There are 4 for sale currently in the entire country.
@HokeeFi
@HokeeFi Год назад
Great video, great voice and demeanor, nice video edits from shot to shot....all around great material, very informative.
@patriot8087
@patriot8087 Год назад
This is without a doubt the best explanation as why the Cummins is a better engine that Ford 6.7 or the 6.6 Duramax diesel engine.
@gamemaverick1game573
@gamemaverick1game573 Год назад
Thank you so much for the vid I did not understand diesels I just knew I need to get a ram 3500 . Now I know & knowing is half the battle 👍👍
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
thank you sir!
@stgraves260
@stgraves260 Год назад
I love my Dodge Ram 2005 Cummins. 3/4 Ton 4x4 Quad Cab 4spd auto 3.73 gears, 24 MPG.
@kevincameron8437
@kevincameron8437 Год назад
I love my 16 Ram CTD, and it’s been great to me (212K miles) but looking at the ease of maintenance of the Duramax, that’s prob where I’m going for my next one. Ease of access to all the filters and a few other things like bed access steps, makes it very tempting to switch to.
@andrewslagle1974
@andrewslagle1974 Год назад
the gm with the car like ifs the front ends are junk
@jeepwk6.5L
@jeepwk6.5L Год назад
Your next one? You just broke this in at 212k
@JOSH-bx5wp
@JOSH-bx5wp Год назад
Cummins all day - a log trucker from northern ontario
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
They make good quality engines period.
@3076gds
@3076gds 9 месяцев назад
I have a RAM H/O, I have 30k Mike's on it and so far so good. it's been a great truck. It tows great! and has no lack of power. it's comfortable and still has a nice growl from the motor. it's not so quiet you can't hear it.
@mojo4376
@mojo4376 Год назад
Why doesn’t Cummins just fix the heater grid issue? It’s been an issue for years….wtf?
@jesseschmit6201
@jesseschmit6201 Год назад
Unfortunately my buddy had a 2021 6.7 Cummins and the turbo failed at 10k miles, ultimately leading to the entire engine having to be replaced. Fortunately, the warranty covered the replacement. $58k to replace it. He traded that truck in as soon as he got it back.
@sly9263
@sly9263 Год назад
smart move dumping that thing afterward
@thelittleguy-ih8nv
@thelittleguy-ih8nv Год назад
$58,000!? Now I know your full of crap!
@adidas4275
@adidas4275 11 месяцев назад
Love our 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.7 non-high output ... just an outdoorsman trim. 200k on it and just changed the first set of brake pads
@NuclearT3acup
@NuclearT3acup Год назад
I've got a 14 cummins. I could be wrong but i'm not entirely sure that the reason cummins uses an iron head is that it's stronger, it very well may be. I think cummins would put an aluminum head on if they could, (given the weight savings that would produce) but the length of the block and different expansion coeficients between iron an aluminum don't play well together. They'd be forced to use split heads which given the spacing between bores would be damn difficult to do. Just my 2 cents
@markrich3271
@markrich3271 8 месяцев назад
I owned many many different trucks and cars . Once I found cummins I will never own another engine . I own a 89 w350 drw 01 2500 with compounds and a mint leather 08 Laramie drw 3500 with air bags and a slide on camper. I love my trucks .
@thewanderlywagon7733
@thewanderlywagon7733 10 месяцев назад
I wish I could agree…I have a 2020 Ram 3500 HO SRW with 23,700 miles that needs a complete engine reseal according to dealership. I now have to carry oil with me until I get it fixed, which is sad. I also had the CP4 replaced with CP3 and waited 18 months.
@Lugare2011
@Lugare2011 4 месяца назад
Don't be that guy who criticizes the entire brand because you bought a truck that developed an issue. He said in the video no engine is perfect in that they ALL have their issues so because you bought a truck with an engine that developed an issue doesn't mean that ALL the engines are bad hell it doesn't mean your engine is bad. Not sure if your issue is fixed but once fixed your engine could go half million miles or more without any more issues. Cummins builds well over 150,000 6.7's every year. There's bound to be a few that will potentially have issues at some point. Stay positive.
@tu6198
@tu6198 2 месяца назад
I used to say that myself when I had my 2007 Ram 3500, Ford body, ram interior, Cummins, and Allison. However, as Ram design continues to improve, I love the Ram as it is. I tow heavy, and my new Aisin is great. My question is: Ram lovers, would you like to see a more square more aggressive design on Ram trucks?
@joewolfe642
@joewolfe642 Год назад
The cummins is the better engine hands down, easiest to work on/service, but I will say all of the big 3 are excellent once all the emissions systems fall off.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
once you "lose" your emissions everything works better.
@drumskas
@drumskas Год назад
Great video man I can't thank you enough for sharing the knowledge and expertise.
@clintonvezeau6714
@clintonvezeau6714 Месяц назад
6.7 Powerstroke is an awesome engine too, 100000 miles on mine without an issue.
@malibudan
@malibudan Год назад
Also, no chains all gears running cam and p pump, I've had 5 Cummins all have over performed.
@redbarron6574
@redbarron6574 Год назад
Just saw this! Nice video. Could you do a review of the heater grid replacement options? I see Banks but didn’t know of others. Thanks for considering this request! Also I like the idea of you doing towing tests. Maybe you could share the test plan w some of your long term members to see if you get any comments.
@1hasbeen531
@1hasbeen531 Год назад
In addition to the stroke, the tall deck height design also contributes to torque production.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
you got that right!
@angelovasilikos7980
@angelovasilikos7980 Год назад
Great video. Thank you! When you say drive it and don’t run short tips. What are your thoughts on city driving? The stop and go etc..?
@gsc512
@gsc512 4 месяца назад
There is one flaw with the Cummins being an inline 6 though and that is that it does not have any coolant moved to the rear of the engine. Instead, what Cummins did is they rely they relied on just the port sizing of the coolant passages bigger at the front and smaller at the rear so that the coolant would want to move towards the back of the block. But you can put in bypasses so you can stabilize the temperature across the top of the motor. Oh, and are they fun to install? It's the best time ever😅 and of course the exhaust manifold wanting to break and or break your cylinder head because they didn't use one piece. They use two and with cylinders five and six. If you don't do a coolant bypass getting so much hotter than 123 and four then of course you have this some. Have you ever taken a cookie sheet and tossed it in water? Then it's your head that has to support the difference😅 lol
@Nordic67
@Nordic67 Год назад
Great points on the Cummins engine. Only thing I would point out as a disadvantage on the 6.7 cummins is it doesn't get the fuel economy the Duramax is getting. I own both a cummins and a Duramax lol. In so many ways the cummins is a much easier engine to work on. The Duramax however gets significantly more mpg than my cummins. Great engines and designs no doubt. Stay away from the 6.7 PowerChoke, 4 friends have made the mistake 3 of 4 now have a cummins. The 6.7 Powerchoke is a good engine but they have a ton of issues. I don't dislike them just don't want something less reliable. Keep em running... 👍🏻
@thelittleguy-ih8nv
@thelittleguy-ih8nv Год назад
You actually care about fuel mileage with a 10,000 lbs truck!? Your definitely a city boy!
@tompiper3
@tompiper3 Год назад
Aren't the 22&23 6.7 Cummins grenading at like 80k miles?😅
@christopher.96
@christopher.96 Год назад
All 3 1 ton trucks are incredible right now. But engine ONLY, the Cummins is the best. They all have their pros and cons.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
100% I think you honestly can't go wrong with either truck right now.
@davidhartnett3836
@davidhartnett3836 Месяц назад
Thank god my 2021 3500 dually came with the CP3 pump.
@Rinconmaniac
@Rinconmaniac Год назад
While I don't disagree with you at all regarding the Cummins, I went for a 2500 Power Wagon. I don't have use for a truck like that. I rarely tow and use my truck to more or less commute back and forth to a remote mine site in Northern Ontario. My PW handles the shitty road conditions like a champ. I love the 6.4 V8. My 2019 is a great truck!
@jakeshupe79
@jakeshupe79 Год назад
I'm pretty sure the powerstroke makes peak tourqe at 1600 rpm and the Cummins HO makes it at 1800. And it doesn't really matter. I had a 19 Ram HO then a 2020 powerstroke then back to a 22 Ram HO now I'm back in a 22 powerstroke. The new 20+ powerstroke with the new 10 speed is so much better at pulling then the Cummins. The cummins was top, tell the new powerstroke came along. Real world experience.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
fair enough sir! appreciate the real world feedback!
@victorbernier4765
@victorbernier4765 Год назад
Ur opinion
@davelariviere682
@davelariviere682 Год назад
I hate opening the hood on my Ford, it looks like a god damn Nightmare under there🥴
@dtrides
@dtrides Год назад
@@davelariviere682 Good news is you rarley need to open that hood! :)
@jakeshupe79
@jakeshupe79 Год назад
@@victorbernier4765 nope. Fact
@Gotdam
@Gotdam Год назад
6.7 cummins w a g56 manual and some weight loss. Going to try to get mine to a milli miles
@andrewlewandowski868
@andrewlewandowski868 Год назад
I've got a '14 Laramie with the G56. Love it.
@ArthriticAngler
@ArthriticAngler 10 месяцев назад
Wish the 3/4 tons had their own diesel. 4-5liter I-6. Less wight and you could keep payload. But we’re lucky to get any these days
@gamegainz917
@gamegainz917 Год назад
I just bought a 2022 3500 cummins
@tomambrosio425
@tomambrosio425 9 месяцев назад
I was getting ready to buy one, but I keep reading about all the issues they are having, did you find any info on this?
@brentmcmahon8188
@brentmcmahon8188 11 месяцев назад
That’s why Iam still driving my 05 Dodge 3500 4x4 4 door cab long bed dullay 5.9 cummins 6 speed manual 151K still runs like a clock and I get oil samples every oil change to check for fuel in oil .
@gravytrainoutdoors
@gravytrainoutdoors Год назад
I have both a 2022 powerstroke and 2022 HO Cummins. The powerstroke performs like it has 200hp more and has more power and torque everywhere in the rpm range. It’s also slightly better on fuel by a .5mpg on average. The Cummins has a night and day better engine brake. It’s a lazy comfortable power and I love them both but the it’s impossible to argue that the powerstroke outperforms it by a huge margin in every way but the engine brake. The 10spd probably helps a lot.
@wesleydean4228
@wesleydean4228 Год назад
True statements but so many cons as well. It’s so busy under the hood it’s a nightmare to even change a serpentine belt.
@gravytrainoutdoors
@gravytrainoutdoors Год назад
@@wesleydean4228 I have a lot of miles on both trucks. The shortfalls of the v8 so far are just on paper. Both trucks have been 100% reliable. I think I’m pretty impartial about the pros/cons of these two engines. I just bought another 5500. The Cummins is no slouch and it only really seems underpowered when you compare it to another current model year powerstroke. 5 years ago we would be tickled pink to have the kind of power out of these trucks that we do now. One big difference for me is that the Cummins just guzzles DEF fluid and the ford doesn’t for some reason.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
The powerstrokes are lightning fast. I was Shocked how fast it was. like I mentioned in the video I think all 3 engines are good engines. personally the CP4 fuel pump on the powerstroke makes me a little nervous but other then that I really liked it. And yes the cummins is not going to blow the doors off anything but she pulls hard when you need it too.
@gravytrainoutdoors
@gravytrainoutdoors Год назад
@@TheGettyAdventures yeah the darn CP4 pump! Poor fuel quality will take them out in a heartbeat. When I bought my 2022 3500 I had no idea that Ram had switched to the cp4 in the 2019-2020 trucks. They are having a terrible time with them because the fuel pressure at idle is only around 55psi which I have read is the main reason for such a high failure rate in those pumps in particular. I don’t know what Ford runs the fuel pressure at but I know it’s a lot higher. Another interesting tidbit is that the B10 rating for the commercial version of the powerstroke is 500,000mi and the b10 of the Cummins is the typical 350,000mi for this class of Diesel engine. The newest gen of powerstroke runs forged steel pistons which is also pretty trick. I think from an engineering standpoint the powerstroke is capable of lasting far longer than most would think possible. Like all the new diesels it will be the emissions systems that will be the death of the engine given enough time. I look forward to picking up my 5500 in the next week or so when the deck is finished. Should be interesting to see how it pulls my 30,000lbs trailers around!
@wesleydean4228
@wesleydean4228 Год назад
@@gravytrainoutdoors the difference is Ram actually recalled all of the cp4s that they put in. Ford refuses to acknowledge that it’s a n inferior pump.
@jnk26
@jnk26 Год назад
The 3.9/5.9 were co developed with Case IH. It's not just a Cummins platform. That 6.7 peak torque is 1075lbft@1800rpm. Not 1300 not even close. The currnet 6.7 powerstroke makes more than 1000lbft from 1400-2400rpm. The Cummins only surpases the Ford from 1650-1900rpm(its barely 25lbft), then falls off quickly. The fords peak of 475hp@2600( thats 959.6lbft) vs Cummins 420hp@2800rpm(thats 787lbft) the only real advantage the Cummins has isn the simplified design(I6 vs V8) and the better engine brake. Its not all that great it allows people to become complacent with the way they drive and with a 35000lb trailer in tow(max tongue weight of 14%) and a excessively strong engine brake equals wheels slip and collisions. Same thing aaplies in the semi truck world with slippery road conditions, drivers need to understand the entire situation they are envolved in. When it comes down to moving weight the Ford is better and then you add the 10speed trans its shines even more. Find me a 500hp tractor with a 10 speed that is better than an 500hp tractor with and 18 speed. I'll wait lol. I know there are 12 speeds out there that our work 18 speeds all day long. Only thing is those 12 speeds are not based on 40 year old transmission designs. That were oringially geared around high revving 2 strokes.
@eog2423
@eog2423 Год назад
Max torque on the cummins is not at 1300 rpm. It is 1800 rpm for h.o and 1700 for s.o...
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
"The standard output Cummins provides peak torque at 1,700 rpm, while the High Output version will do so at 1,356 rpm" Right off the Cummins website sir. Take a look.
@jackblack7573
@jackblack7573 10 месяцев назад
My first 6.7 took 260k miles in 2 years of heavy use. It only died because it ran without oil. My 2nd 6.7 is on 211k today and running strong
@j.l.salayao8055
@j.l.salayao8055 10 месяцев назад
How did it happened, doesn't Ram Cummins have low oil indicators to make too difficult to have no oil in the engine?
@curtisbull1583
@curtisbull1583 4 месяца назад
I agree with all your saying, but to lots of us, the best, includes power, how fast the truck gets up to speed, how quick it gets a heavy load up to speed. Transmission plays a big part in all that as well. In that discussion the cummins is not the best. If a guy is mainly saying the Cummins is the best designed engine, then I suppose that would be 100% true, but clearly design doesn't equate to the best performance or the most reliable, as they all seem to have issues with reliability for various reasons which I believe most of that, like you mentioned, is emission related.
@BeastModeRZR
@BeastModeRZR 24 дня назад
The most reliable is the CUMMINS 6.7….. Look into the percentage of big corporations and there preferred fleet. Example like Kroger and Walmart. The 2 largest Trucking fleets for there own goods of course but focus on profits over anything. The go with Freightliner cause of there CUMMINS engine. Cummins gets it done for a bigger profit. Also a longer lasting product means less of an investors money goes to waste. Owner operators just need to focus on these two and you’ll make more profits just accept the liner and she’ll make more profit.
@Thepriest39
@Thepriest39 Год назад
I have an 01 Cummins with only 108k miles. I will never get rid of it even if I get a new truck. I will eventually need a larger tow and payload capacity for a 5th wheel.
@adamholbrook2281
@adamholbrook2281 22 дня назад
Have you done a video on that heater grid? issue and which vehicles/ engines it effects? Thanks for all the content. I'm currently looking for a new to me HD truck and trying to decide what to go with likely a used model not 100% set on a diesel yet but it would be a 3/4 - 1 ton pickup..
@Denis-tu1pd
@Denis-tu1pd 2 месяца назад
When i bought my ram 2021 i put the banks i take. I was tought it takes 2 foot pounds of torque in a v8 to equal 1 foot pound of torque of a 6 cylinder . It takes 2 horse power of a 6 to equal 1 horse power of an 8 cylinder . V8s are quicker than a 6 but the 6 cylinder will pass an v8 going up a steep hill .
@vaughanjones6839
@vaughanjones6839 Год назад
Hello. Just an idea. You Tube has several very informative experts like yourself. Good delivery, ideal for laypeople and seasoned farmers and commercial people. It would be great if RU-vid put together an educational channel with about5 or 6 of you for tractors, engines, excavators, auxillary equipment and even training videos.
@DyingCatalyst
@DyingCatalyst Год назад
Do you think the premium for diesel will ever come down? Gas costs/maintenance etc? Or do you think that the increasing costs of diesels will push Diesels to people who only own businesses or have the money to just enjoy the diesel engine. Would be awesome to see diesel be cheaper but one can hope.
@marconopolo805
@marconopolo805 Год назад
I personally think it's going to get more costly down the line with the strict rules from the EPA and especially in California since that state wants to go full electric .... which is stupid
@DyingCatalyst
@DyingCatalyst Год назад
@@marconopolo805 I agree, would just be awesome to see people who just Enjoy diesels for the diesel aspect be able to own one that Isn’t old with 250k+ miles or new ones that don’t cost a house to own lmao
@DyingCatalyst
@DyingCatalyst Год назад
@Noodles yea after watching Jill on truck+ suv talk and she waited 55 minutes for a fast charge it kinda shows EVs aren’t yet ready to be hard swapped to. They are a decent idea if they didn’t ruin the earth and were so inefficient.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
No I don't think so. I think the issues with Russia is really hurting the general supply. and it will take some time for other suppliers to ram up production. I honestly think the large displacement gas engines will start to win over a lot of people.
@DyingCatalyst
@DyingCatalyst Год назад
@@TheGettyAdventures yeah the 7.3 looks pretty amazing, I’ve also heard that the 6.6 gas is pretty reliable also. Wonder what ram will bring to the table. Sucks that diesel seems like it’s dying but it’s understandable
@NachoSuarez-w5d
@NachoSuarez-w5d 7 месяцев назад
I got 2 Rams, 800000 miles on both, oil change every 16000 miles, NO adding oil between services, GMC +Ford: oil change every 6000 miles, ADDING 1 to 2 Quarters per every 2000 miles.
@newgtguy
@newgtguy Год назад
I bought a BMW X5 diesel in 2007. It had DEF, a DPF, and the stupid exhaust gas recirculation valve. My goal was to drive it for 200,000 miles. Well, at 100k miles it would barely run. I took it to a mechanic who told me this was due to the added emissions control recently required by the EPA. The mechanic said, it's totally ridiculous that the EPA requires the intake manifold to suck dirty exhaust gas! In my X5 this caused a massive carbon buildup. It basically cut the engine life by 66%! So, what's better for the environment EPA? Breaking vehicles with your stupid rules requiring people to constantly purchase new ones? Or your idiotic emissions control?
@dt9094
@dt9094 8 месяцев назад
What’s your call on the 2023 6.7 engine. Is the fuel system problem they did have on 19-21 still an issue cp4 or cp3 ? Thank you
@davereynolds7070
@davereynolds7070 Год назад
Awesome explanation on the system designs.
@brentmcmahon8188
@brentmcmahon8188 Год назад
I put a fluid damper on my crank and I could absolutely made a difference and for as the crank seals and the main bearings should keep them from chamber on the front main and the rear main bearings .
@vr4787
@vr4787 Год назад
We have an 07 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Cummins with about 110,000 miles. Sure it doesn’t have the output of the 6.7 but it’s as simple as it gets since it’s pre emissions and just humming along. Going to get it to the million mile club with a little luck and maintenance.
@wizard_of_poz4413
@wizard_of_poz4413 Год назад
I had the same truck but it just rotted to pieces
@vr4787
@vr4787 Год назад
@@wizard_of_poz4413yeah, that’s the one nice part of being in a desert, it’s dry so don’t have to worry about rust or road salt.
@Rift45
@Rift45 Год назад
6.7 Powerstroke is under square too, don’t know why GM went oversquare. They are so used to doing that with their gas V8’s maybe.
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
6.7 powerstroke is slightly undersquare. It's much closer to being a true square engine actually. but good on ford for doing that. as for GM not sure why they went with an oversquare engine.
@KVX21
@KVX21 Год назад
the 6 must work harder than the v8's, but cummins good stuff, and in the best pickup trucks out there. OWNED Them all and RAM is the KING.
@dstevens7614
@dstevens7614 Год назад
That is why I have the commercial version with 185,000 miles.
@Mjvblox
@Mjvblox Год назад
5.9 still the best cheap to maintain and parts are cheaper
@TheGettyAdventures
@TheGettyAdventures Год назад
If you can get a good truck with a 5.9. It's worth fixing it up!
@surfstarcc1
@surfstarcc1 Год назад
And that's why I delete all that emissions garbage off my truck in the first week. I gained 3-5mpgs, run and sounds better and more power than I expected.
@brentmcmahon8188
@brentmcmahon8188 11 месяцев назад
GM made one of the best in-line 6 diesels and people are still running them and that’s the 60 series Detroit and is a 4 stroke and I still can’t under stand why GM didnt shrink down the 60 Series and put in their pickups . When the 60 series first came out GM put them in our car haulers to haul GM cars and I got one and we only had 5 of them and I loved that motor and was supper stout motor and the GM tester would come by and pull pan and check all the bearings and needless to say these motors were a million Ike motor no problems. But we could not use them because they were to heavy we would had to leave one car at the dock. But I believe this is the best diesel engine ever made !!
@jelipebands1700
@jelipebands1700 5 месяцев назад
How often do you recommend oil changes for 2017-2023 school buses with such long idle time? And what type of 15w-40 do you recommend?
@brentmcmahon8188
@brentmcmahon8188 Год назад
60 series Detroit 14 liter They are the best they have come a long way . Before they released to the market they sent us 6 60 series the 12 liter and I was a car hauler for Complete Auto Transit and I got a new rig and I was a test truck and I would run east coast and when hit 100k their shop people
@davefox8948
@davefox8948 7 месяцев назад
How do you reconcile the Ford’s 500hp / 1200 lb ft to Cummins 385hp / 1050 lb ft? I own a Ram but seeing how much better a friends Powerstroke performs in both power and fuel economy is giving me second thoughts.
@phantom0456
@phantom0456 11 месяцев назад
The Cummins always has been and continues to be a great engine, but the fact that it’s still saddled with a 6speed automatic really hurts it. Ram really needs to get at least an 8 speed to properly compete, but a ten speed would be even better.
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