If 20-25% of LEO shootings occur at 12 yards or farther, I’d argue that you should spend at least 50% of your training ammo at 12+ yards. Fundamentals need to be much more refined to run a pistol well at 12+ yards, compared to inside 10 yards. Mistakes are magnified as the distance increases. I’d bet that a guy who can consistently shoot a clean Bill Drill in under 3 seconds at 15 yards can also shoot a clean Bill Drill in 2 seconds at 7 yards; but the inverse isn’t necessarily true. In my experience, people tend to avoid shooting drills at 15+ yards because it’s rough on the ego...which is precisely why more people should do it.
I mean, yeah, if you’re trying to refine your fundamentals then you gotta do what you gotta do. It’s all very situationally dependent on the shooter and where they’re at. For the majority of cops who don’t spend much time on the range, I’d rather have them get really good at the distances they are most likely going to be at for the limited time they do spend at the range. In a perfect world they would understand that they need to spend more time at the range and then they can get into the weeds of refining fundamentals at distance but the fact of the matter is that most only shoot once or twice a year at best unfortunately. Some will go once a month or every other month which is better but not sufficient. And then few will go pretty much every weekend which, in my opinion is the minimum to see actual results over time and implement an actual training program to refine fundamentals and start working at various distances to evaluate their ability. For the guy that goes every few months or less, I don’t think it does much good to go shoot bill drills at 15-25 because they don’t go enough to diagnose problems and then implement the solution reliably over time because they might not go again for a few months. Again, it’s unfortunate that all cops don’t go as often as possible to be proficient with their firearms but it is the reality currently.
@Officercake yes, very true. But LE carry as a profession and as a whole can't shoot. My 15yr old daughter can pass colorado post, while many LE officers have to take it several times to pass basic qual standards. LE needs to continue to be pushed. It's better then it was.
Bill Drills and Doubles are only a diagnostic tool. Its not "can i do a Bill drill in 2 seconds" Its " Did my grip, sights, trigger, etc cooperate for a fast string of fire"
@Officercake I'm saying it should be used to diagnose any deficiencies with grip/vision. A Bill drill in USPSA is just a test for score. Imo Leo should definitely use doubles and Bills to identify any deficiencies.
@Officercake I've been shooting uspsa type competition for 7+ years. Never once seen a bill drill in a stage. I know of exactly 1 instance of thay occurring.
Excellent! Glad to see someone promoting this kind of training to Law enforcement. On your lateral movement I somewhat disagree. Here’s why. If available I would move more towards the 1:00 or two o’clock. Or 11 or ten o’clock. Have someone stand a few yards in front of you, point your finger at their chest have them take one step to their right and keep your finger pointing at the same spot. How much did you have to move to stay on them. Then reset and do the same thing and have them step to the one o’clock and note how much you had to move to stay pointed at the same spot. The amount of movement is about double. I get the plates thing but harder to hit to me is much better.
Also man, my next range drills video announces this for the first time on the channel but I made a community discord server. In there, I have a range drills thread where I post these drills and members can post their own videos of them doing it and we can all give feedback to one another and that sort of a thing. If you could join up and give a video example I think that would be super cool🤟
@@Officercake yes. Been proven in force on force many times. Much harder to track you. Plus if the bad guy stands still eventually he has to turn in order to stay with you.
Sounds good man, the link to it is in the linktree in the video description. I look forward to seeing you there! Also, just for reference, I do touch on this in my next range drills video coming out Friday(moving at more of an angle instead of just straight to one side).
Absolutely man! I hope to have a new one of these out every week with a different drill every time. Hit me in the DMs if you have anything specific you want to see me talk about but just for reference, I wouldn’t say I’m well versed enough to talk about fundamentals when it comes to pistol shooting, so it’s just strictly drills to mimic scenarios you might find yourself in
Excellent. Yes training needs to be recent, relevant and realistic. Emphasis on recent. I’m a big believer on experiencing pistol recoil every three weeks at a minimum. Quarterly training isn’t enough.
@@Officercake what’s crazy is I carried a pistol for a living from 1991 to 2021 and no one ever told me about the frequency of practice required until 2016 because I passed the quals and was considered “good enough.” Now I dry fire at least four times per week with a timer and shoot around twice per month. I’m still improving.
Yeah the culture in law enforcement needs to radically change before we start seeing actual widespread improvement in our accuracy during and OIS. Keep training man🤟🔥
😂😂 how about yall work on you're communicating skill and CIT training before traying to be john wick seeing as most of yall wont ever need to use you're gun hell why not focus on a martial art tbh that would probably help yall out more then shooting more
Ok, here’s the thing that’s COMPLETELY being missed. Police officers practicing for speed is going to be TOTALLY different than a competition shooter. A police officer MUST also practice giving voice commands and allowing the possible assailant time to respond before firing rounds. Otherwise, you have an officer possibly shooting a nonviolent person who rightfully had their weapon, like the service man who was murdered by the Fla., deputy who practiced shooting quickly but failed to allow the service man, who rightfully had his weapon, respond to the deputy’s commands and place the weapon on the ground. Practice needs to mimic real life situations.
Soooooooo, you’re absolutely right, sorta, and there’s a multitude of factors that come into play when talking about de escalation training and processing info more efficiently. Most of that stuff I don’t understand fully. This drill is with the understanding that there is an active deadly threat to you or the public at play. Think, active foot pursuit and the subject rapidly spins on you and begins shooting. The drill allows you to see how good your firearms skills are, and if your present enough, you can gain valuable info on what you might need to work on. Such as for myself, when I rapidly changed my direction from forward to backward and my muzzle began to rise, that’s something I can work on by doing other more competition style drills.
What? Concealment draws should be roughly equivalent to a Level 1 friction or Level 2 ALS holster. Level 3 holsters should add ~0.2 sec for the same shooter.
