Ranking DJI 03 vs HD-Zero, WalkSnail, Analog from WORST to BEST 

just started getting into fpv i was wondering how you know which goggles and controllers are compatible with my drone

@@rubyruby5710 what drone do you have ?

@@DarrenAllatt iFlight Nazgul5 Evoque F5 F5X V2 Squadshed X Analog 6S 5 Inch

@@rubyruby5710 any Analog goggles will be compatible. Did you get the PNP, ExpressLRS, Crossfire or FRSKY version

@@DarrenAllatt this is the version i got iFlight ELRS 2.4GHz RX i know what goggles I am getting i was wondering if the radio master boxer would work with this system

Absolutely agree, and feel the cost was representative fairly as pure dollars and not value for money.

well if you add a rapid fire a good camera a good vtx its similar to digital

Also just feels like for freestyle latency is way more important... not to mention costs of repair... which again puts analog on top.

@@sergiodominguez9141a good set of analog goggles with rapid fire is probably as expensive, or slightly more than digital. However, a good analog camera and vtx is less than half the price of a digital setup. $30 per each, for top of the line camera and vtx. BnF’s are like 1/3 to 1/2 the price of digital too. There’s no lag or stuttering and it’s cheaper. If you’re running smaller quads like toothpicks and whoops, you’re going to be less afraid of crashing. You can fly them closer to the edge without crashing IMO. Also, analog is still a LOT lighter even when compared to the 1s Avatar and HDzero whoop board. It’s noticeable when flying. I started the summer flying Walksnail 2” 2s quads, and now I’m spending a lot more time flying analog 1s quads. I have more fun with the analog stuff. If you fly for the sensation you get from it, analog is still a really good choice.

@@DarrenAllatt Basically my takeaway from this is "I absolutely cannot live with any form of noise whatsoever", putting analog below HDZero for racing is literally just you being a little bitch about image quality. Not hard to tell which people in this hobby were the snobby fuckin' rich kids who never had to see life in the lower class.

Each to their own. I can’t do snow.

@@DarrenAllatt exactly yeah.

The exact same for me. I can fly through gaps with only snowy silhouettes visible. But with DJI I crash into them with the variable latency. The image looks nice though, but it doesn't help when it's too late.

@@metefpv right yeah. The variable latency screws with me bad as well.

because ANALOG is still KING and will not be removed anytime soon and Sniveling Darren can't handle that fact

Yes you can use ELRS with the DJI O3 version of the Cinelog 20. ELRS + Boxer is a Radio Link which is completely seperate to DJI O3 which is a video system (even though it can do control if you have the DJI FPV Remote)

Arigato! From my quick research the DJI RC Pro outputs 1080p and 2k from the HDMI port, only the HDZero Goggles can receive 1080p through HDMI In. The Skyzone Sky04X may work with the 1080p kms out - it seems like you may be better off with VR Goggles than can handle the output

I’d actually recommend long antenna on your quad, a high power VTX and patch antennas. Your setup matters, not your goggles.

Thanks Michael! Glad you didn’t give me a Fuka!

But his end claim is not true as ANALOG is still KING

I agree, although you could probably do WS with the VRX and analog to just have 1 set of goggles.

@@DarrenAllatt But then I wouldn't be able to use O3 :) OG DJI still has a lot to offer

I bought the HDZero Goggles, because of their open source outlook, and they really seem to be listening to the customers. DJI was great, and I still use it. DJI has great penetration, and the feed is very nice. But 1): I'd rather lower latency over better video feed & 2): I really hate DJI's proprietary mindset. I like how I can use HDZero to fly analog, HDZero, or even snap a Walksnail Vrx to them, if that is what I need. All of that _is_ money, for sure. But all that aside, if a person was considering an HD system, and I was to recommend one, it would be HDZero. You get to have analog, and the new Racev3-Vtx is about the size of a 20×20 flight controller. I think it only goes up to 200mw, so maybe wait a year, and see how they grow with product innovation, and as a company, before spending that money. Not trying to sell anything, just giving my personal experience, so others can get an idea of how an early adopter is feeling about the system, as it is now. I am currently building a 10-inch, heavy payload quad, for next season, and honestly, I am not yet decided if I will use analog for the pilot feed, or not. Will wait and see what the market has to offer, in ~March 2024.

Many thanks

What’s the inconvenience?

@@DarrenAllatt ok based on videos and reviews since I am in a place in the world where I have to know very well what I am buying, I see 3 drawbacks with Walksnail, 1. the quality of the video is not at the point that I would say wow I want that, 2. the way the video is cut off due to low signal, a friend has the Walksnail VRX and when the signal is low it loses the video in a terrifying way, 3. the incompatibility with video input because everyone here uses analog and it is very important to me use analog to see the flight of others... even so, Walksnail is the one that best suits what I do and the price is what I can, I think that this can be corrected with a new version, that's why I ask if there will be a version 2 in development? thank you 👍

​@@cyborgfpv7361 what would you hope a new version to have? 1. When you say "video quality" is not wow - was that based upon your friend's WS system, who is using a VRX and Analog Goggles? Which Analog Google does he have? I bet there not 1080p OLED screens, even if they're Skyzone 04'x the resolution is 1280x960, which is 60% of the quality of 1080p 2. Except for HDZ, both DJI and WS cut off the same, they go blocky and then boom, you are done. That's not going to change. 3. They won't be adding Analog input into any next version of the goggles. that ship has sailed.

@@DarrenAllatt OH I hope the Google's make a difference with the VRX and a external screen for planes where friend uses it. Ok I guess I'm going for it thanks Darren that's what I wanted to know and you explained it.

Good call! Yeah agree with that. But that’s what it is unfortunately for a few more years. Goggles 2 are pretty light weight

You are welcome

What do you mean by HD Input?

@@DarrenAllatt HDMI. Mb. 😅

Thank you. And yes, what you have said is what I hope for people to get out the video is that there really isn’t one best system and that each system has strengths & weaknesses and that it’s really just up to what the pilot wants to prioritise in their choice of system.

@@DarrenAllatt would be nice to have it all in 1 goggle. i see now wwhy alot of people end up with more than 1 pair!

@@MichaelRogersJesusrules I agree, HD-Zero Goggles are the closed to an All In One, as you can have an analog module and walksnail VRX.

Thank you 🙏

What letter would you have given DJI original ?

@DarrenAllatt oh the original maybe knock 1 letter cause it has the shortest range. New dji I'd knock down like 2 letter. Goes further but still 3rd distance of hdzero and walksnail

ANALOG is still KING and most are still using it even with HD systems that says volumes in and of itself

Yes I saw. Being in Australia. We are last to get everything

excellent point, do you have anything to add from your experience?

@@DarrenAllatt Yes, in that respect only analogue is compatible. All others are not. Where as hdzero is also open source. So theoretically it is also hdzero. But there are probably only a few manufacturers who release hdzero googles and VTXs so far...

That means analog and hdzero is top. And DJI a big fail in compatibility...

Yes it should

Thank you 🙏

new Freestyle VTX? there isnt a new one is there?

@@DarrenAllatt hi, it’s not new I suppose however one of your conns for HDzero was the fact that it was limited to 200mw hence my comment about the 1000mw VTX they have. Enjoyed your video though. 👍

@@DarrenAllatt if I misheard you or didn’t quite catch something I apologise in advance. Not here to give anyone trouble mate. I am currently deciding if I should lock myself into DJI or rather go with HDZero with the option of the WS VRX for some diversity.

@@TheGoodShepherdsSheep no offence taken. What goggles do you have now? If they have HDMI, maybe try both HDZ and WS through their own respective VRX’s and see how you go

@@TheGoodShepherdsSheep the comment was micros and smaller quads as the 30x30 1w VTX is huge and only good for 5” freestyle

You probably need to be in DJI FPV System mode not O3 to access AV-IN

@@DarrenAllatt You are a lifesaver man! Thank you soo much!!!

@@jon_espi10 You are welcome, if you aren't subbed, that would help me greatly in return!

@@DarrenAllatt Ive been subbed and I love your content

Well said. I think the V2’s are the better of the two goggles for DJI because you get the lowest latency on O3.

Would you say you prefer walksnail over hdzero then, I trying to go for freestyle/cinematic

@@antonioruan2812 I fly fixed wing long range stuff so it’s mainly about video quality for me. HDZero was a failure in that regard.

I have just got WS and have HDZ so be doing a video soon comparing all 3 for Freestyoe

Absolutely!!

not. thought i start in 2023 and the same shit tech from 2021 just costs the double amount now! thats horrible

Thank you 😄

I dont think people really consider whether or not an extra 10 to 20 seconds of flight time between one digital system and another because of power consumption differences. Rather the weight of the system has a bigger impact on flight times than power draw. Further, most pilots are looking at image quality and flight feel

@@DarrenAllatt Thanks for you answer ! On a 1S Whoop, 20 seconds of flight time is significant ;-) On a larger drone, sure 10 or 20 seconds isn't important. But is it really only 10 or 20 seconds ? We have no idea of the efficiency of these systems. The only info we have is the power at the antenna. I have the feeling that in these digital systems, most of the power isn't drawn by the TX itself because of the amount of heat being dissipated. I expect analog and then HDZERO to be the lowest power hogs since analog has nearly no processing at all, and both analog and HDZERO communicate in a single direction, there is no RX, no retransmission of missing data. In the end if the difference is 10% of the flight time it may matter.

@@bernardfouche5241 on a 1S whoop the different between HDZ and WS would probably be 5-10 seconds max.

Agree

Thank you Lou!

Ok, so HD-Zero is just the video system, it's seperate to the Radio and Receiver that's on your drone. For HD-Zero: Goggles wise, you can get one of the following: - HD-Zero Goggles, - Emax Transporter HD Goggles - HD-Zero VRX + Analog Goggles with HDMI Port For a Radio, I recommend the Radiomaster Boxer ExpressLRS Drones, well I'd recommend starting with the BetaFPV Meteor 75 HD-Zero ExpressLRS

@Darren Allatt So is TBS compatible with the HD zero goggle and that radio? What abiut ELRS 2.4 vs 915 hz?. If I was to buy an iflight Nazgul 5", which configuration would I choose?

@@rkwjunior2298 Video Systems and Radio Systems are completely separate, they don't need to be "compatible" as they don't effect each other. That being said, ELRS has an integration with HD-Zero goggles, that doesn't make them compatible, it means there is an integration. TBS doesn't have that same integration because they are closed ecosystem. ELRS 2.4ghz as 900mhz in 2023 is not necessary, back prior to ELRS when you only had FRSKY that would failsafe 100m away, yeah 900mhz was the go. Today, 2.4ghz iFlight don't sell a HD-Zero version of the Nazgul, only DJI Original or DJI O3. If you'd like the Nazgul equivalent in HD-Zero then: - Foxeer Aura 5" Freestyle RTF - Green or Grey, up to you - RHCP - ELRS - 2306.5 1850kv - HD-Zero is the configuration This will work with HD-Zero Goggles and the Radiomaster Boxer ELRS

That may need to be a seperate video ranking the goggles rather just ranking the systems. But yeah they aren’t the most comfortable

Good point, That only makes a difference if you aren’t using a GoPro - however most still are

Walksnail has Gyroflow

@@DarrenAllatt you can use gyroflow with most cameras, inbuilt stabilizer is convenient.

@@quadthingcopter5984 the new avatar cameras have a gyro in them so you get a gyro file as well as dvr for the onboard Video to stabilise in gyroflow from that as opposed to trying to use black box. Most pilots use a GoPro anyway so it’s kind of void if you are

Fuka

Walksnail at the top and Original DJI at the bottom was just how the total scores fell at the end, not how I would have ranked them if I was to rank them personally- but it was rather an objective rank.

@@DarrenAllatt yeah i understand that and the video was very enjoyable! Sorry bro, i think i was hungry at that time..!

This is exactly where I'm at lol

I think there is a TrueRC-X Air patch upgrade for the VRX available, that will improve the penetration

I'm using skyzone03O goggles with analogue and HDzero and I'm happy with it

All good reasons. End of the day you need to fly what is right for you.

You can use your dji goggles and radio with conventional carbon fiber drones though. 😎

How about range & penetration?

ANALOG is still KING and used by the majority of the FPV community and sniveler Darren can not handle that fact...bah ha ha ha

@@DarrenAllatt That's the problem with this ranking system... it's mixing too many paradigms. Range and penetration matter so little for outdoor freestyle where latency and cost of repair are paramount, making analog king. You need to see what's going on as rapidly as possible and you're going to crash taking risks and growing as a pilot. You really need to fully separate rankings for outdoor vs indoor, freestyle vs cinema.

Thanks for the feedback- how would you have ranked them?

@@DarrenAllatt For me personally I would recommend DJI for most people as you get support for both "Vista" and O3 (except V1 gpggles) with good performance all around. Walksnail seems like a decent DJI "Vista" alternative and appears to also offer all around performance plus better tinywhoop options. Analog for those on a budget and racing. Not hard to find an analog version of most BNFs. HDzero goggles are super cool but the system itself is in a weird spot feature wise where I can't see any instance where I would recommend it over any of the others.

I agree with almost all of what you've said; if I was 'recommending' to someone what to get, that's how my recommendations would probably go as well, except for HD-Zero. HD-Zero is something where if you are an Analog pilot and hate DJI & Walksnail and want a higher resolution version of your analog setup, then HD-Zero is right for you.

​@@DarrenAllatt I think you nailed it. There is an emotional component that plays a part here that I am not putting into my rankings. I love what Carl is doing with HDZero and want to support it but cannot con myself into thinking it is better because I want to support it. I know there are people who hate DJI or have some hang-ups with Walksnail but those are personal preferences that everyone has to sort out for themselves.

Yes, although I wouldn’t count the included DJI battery as a bonus. Doesn’t last long.

Original DJI v2 goggles are more expensive than Goggles 2. They are EOL so people are putting them up for crazy prices.

not on the new firmware, limited to 3

V1 cant update to new firmware so its on 8 channels

What do you mean?

@@DarrenAllatt in the tier scale….you mentioned “original DJI goggles” (V1). Just wanted to know was the V2 including or Excluding in the “original DJI goggles”.

You raise a fair point. I guess its easier to say whether a system's broadcast can penetrate the different obstacles in the way so the goggles can receive it.

Do they stay in low power mode

Thank you for the support. It’s greatly appreciated!!

Thanks Mark appreciate it. How would you rank them for each category?

The original firmware Walksnail launched, yes, it wad the worst breakup. However the last couple of firmware releases the breakup isn't noticeable. Before I gave the scores, I knew I had the judge Walksnail on the latest release, not the initial release, hence why it scored the way it did.

@@DarrenAllatt thanks 👍🏻 seems still has lot of latency as VRX for my ORQA.. I think they didn't bought ImmersionRC just for fun; i hope we see "promised" ORQA digital soon.. 😩

@@alperenozgur that’s probably due to how the Orqa processes HDMI In

@@alperenozgur On the Oscar Liang Walksnail Avatar VRX site is a list of analog goggles latencies. Orqa is 2nd last with 52ms, better are HDO2 for example.

thank you

Thank you! Yes I agree we could apply more controlled tests to each to come to a more accurate score for each. Although that’s a time and money issue unfortunately. How I’d rank the systems? Well that’s nuanced to the use case and the person. For a beginner who’s just starting, I’d recommend them to go with analog to learn FPV, and save the extra funds from goggles and VTX on batteries and a decent radio. It also allows them to fly as much as they can from whoops to freestyle, racing and long range - this allows them to work out what kind of flying they like the most, then they can do into a digital system that is right for them. If HDZero get their image quality and penetration solved to a standard that’s comparable with DJI Original (they won’t ever do re-transmission of lost packets but can do something to lesson the pain of the break) then I’d think that’s the best “all round” as in does everything reasonably well (racing, freestyle, micros, long range). I think a lot of people don’t get into racing once they’ve gone DJI or Walksnail as it would cost too much to get HDZero and they won’t want to go back to analog. It’s a shame, racing even if you have no aspirations of being MCK is great skill developer for freestyle & cinematic. Look at Vannover, racing helped him get on a Michael Bay film. I’d like to see Walksnail do a racing mode, which doesn’t do RE-transmission and goggles don’t transmit, that would then be the best system for most pilots. But DJI could do the same as well, except they need a solution for micros I’m not set on any one system being the one to recommend at the moment without considering nuance.

@@DarrenAllatt I think this answer should have been in the video cause it s a perfect conclusion and it s pretty objective. From all I have seen I don see much more difference between hdzero and others in term of signal reception (penetration) but the small breakups are more noticable due to the snow. As an open source, hdzero could I think build different configuration to be near as good as ws or DJI in term of image quality. But it LL take time.

be careful sniveling Darren will threaten to block and remove you if you disagree with his whining comparisons...Bah ha ha ha

Well said!

Yeah, #1 for looking the closest to plain ole analog and costing one HELLA lot for the tiny improvement in image quality you get from plain ole analog! Good old ANALOG2! Yup, predicted you'd like the system that does so little over analog, YET COSTS SO DAMN MUCH - Especially when you make HDZero do analog and Walksnail - way, way over A THOUSAND BUCKS! Sheesh! THE WORST VALUE in all of FPV - Because you get so little improvements in image quality, penetration, and range with image clarity over analog....ESSENTIALLY NONE!

@@KOrnhOliO1 your value view is on point, as usual. It’s just that I literally have no choice… it’s only between analog or HDZero for racing, and the new 90hz stuff lets me lap upto 2 seconds faster AND more consistently than analog! I see why most are racing with it recently, there literally isn’t a choice if you want to do well… I generally fly 40-80+ packs every day, so it really, really matters to me. And flying HDZero is so much more pleasant than flying analog for hours, I always struggled with, and got a headache from analog, it was always so difficult for me, even from the beginning. But now flying on HDZero it is an absolute pleasure. 🤷‍♂️ to each their own, I guess? Some absolutely love analog and to them it’s perfect and doesn’t hold them back, at all, but I’m not a top 10 pilot, still a ways off, so it absolutely affects my performance! Value wise, you are right, it sucks ass, especially for the ones that don’t need it… but that’s like saying an 18 wheeler is bad value for the average person (it’s horrible value)… if you need it… it’s not about value, it’s what will get the job done. Avatar VRX is likely the best value if you have compatible goggles, or 100% the OG DJI system if starting from scratch, but there is more to FPV once you get past learning to fly… it gets much more specialized, and last year was an amazing year for video systems!!! O3, Avatar AND HDZero were all introduced to a very different audience, specializing in VERY different flight feel and behaviour. I really think you need to live with it for a while…. O3 for example really surprised me, I was set to run it for everything (except racing obviously), but I couldn’t deal with the poor flight feel… Quality is absolutely unmatched, but that’s not the only requirement for me, and it really was holding me back… that’s also why it hurt so bad, I really wanted to run the system and it just didn’t live up to my expectations, I’m literally still sad about it… that’s why I went over what is suitable for every type of pilot, according to my personal experience, in my post above. I always appreciate your view point, as we are into very different things, it keeps me more centred, because honestly, in racing especially, everything is SUPER canted to once side, for a reason mind you (as that’s where the performance lies)… but you always help me get out of myself and see the bigger picture. I mean it’s not just the runny nose racers, I see the freestyle fanatics, and long range lunatics view points as I am part of those groups as well… and I can safely say… the dogma is real at times😜 Some jump on the newest hotness and test everything and some don’t want anything to change… all kinds of amazing people, I love them all! Look at the toroidal propeller fad that’s currently unfolding, it’s so much fun to observe this community sometimes, I’m so happy to be part of it!!! It has changed my life for the positive, that’s why I try to get people in and help them learn, it has given me so much!! And I do my best to give back as much as I can. Thank you.

@@lemonsquareFPV racing must be a new passion for you. not into it at all...so repetitive and too competitive. yes, hdzero and analog would be best for racing. but, not for much else, imo. i'm so over so much snow, not being able to fly around objects, heck not around a corner of a building, and having no range with a clear image. i've moved on from both analogs and the performance they give us. i'm beyond the suck! lol

@@KOrnhOliO1 Both analogs 🤣😜 nice 👍🏻 legit made me giggle. Lots of places are starting to do digital racing, just makes it a bit more complicated with making sure everyone is flying clean, and much harder when you can’t just see everyone’s feeds all at the same time, on a single screen, kinda important when money is on the line and a second can be the difference between $100 and $5000+. If DJI or Caddx wanted they can easily make it happen today, seems like Caddx is actually working on this… which is pretty exciting!!! Picture digital racing in massive industrial/forest/whatever interesting venues, with 2km+ track lengths! That would be nuts! We’ll get there! This is in no way the end of this technology’s development!!! Imagine what it would be like in 5 years, imagine how it was 5 years ago! It’s only getting faster and better by the second! Look at DJIs picture quality between their two systems, just a few years apart! Literally amazing quality difference, I still can’t believe it’s real! Still upset they didn’t make the rest of O3 as good as I wanted, but whatever, I can’t blame them for my weird brains perception to latency 😜, in a couple of years we’ll probably have our minds blown again!!! Yeah, I have really started getting into racing, I love the social aspect of this hobby in general, wether it’s chasing each other, especially when with more than 2-3 people, and just screwing around shredding a spot (🥰 so good 😊) or racing… which is super similar, especially with a good natural venue or warehouse or industrial park and not just an empty field… I really don’t like those, thankfully they are not common in our circle. Also my practice setup is so much fun, I have natural obstacles with a gorge, river, tall trees, short trees, tons of plants, boulders, logs, branches, huge elevation changes… I made natural gates and tunnels and stuff. It’s literally a dream to fly for me, if it was an open field I would go crazy the first week 😜 I’m not that kind of person! And I can really enjoy the environment… especially with Avatar, it’s quite the system, I still can’t get over the sheer consistency! It blew my mind when I first tried it! I couldn’t believe how hard I can push it, and not feel like it’s massively holding me back. I wish DJI would fix flying with others and the latency on O3, if they do, man, I’ll rebuy all that stuff in a heartbeat, but I’ll likely have to wait for O4 in a couple of years. Also isn’t it nice that we have so much choice now, how crappy would it be if it was just analog and analog2 😜, with an extra side of snow… likely you won’t be as happy? We are so lucky! And it’s only gonna get better! Thanks for everything. I’m really happy with this amazing thing we call FPV, no matter how we all do it! It’s all cool. Again… just imagine how it was 5 years ago!!! 🤯 I’m happy now, but also super excited about the future!

😂 thanks Evan.

Agree!

With loads of money

In every catagorie but price. In Germany a set of Goggles 2 and a single air unit is slightly over €1100. Much higher than all other competition. I wish I could justify it though 😂

Normal person with a lot of money

for fan boys perhaps but ANALOG is still KING in the FPV community

Absolutely 💯

And Analog has been pushed to hundreds of km while HDZero has not. Again you rate HDZero above Analog for the range test.

Then for image quality you give HDZero a C. If you have 5 systems you need 5 levels of rating. Otherwise you can manipulate the tests to not count as much.

No, I don’t need 5 levels of rating. This is the standard rating system you can see used right across RU-vid on your typical rating videos. And the whole point is, this is my rating of the different systems. I have the ratings based upon my preferences and what I determined their ratings to be. If you don’t like it, cool, have your different view - but don’t criticise by ratings because you don’t agree with them. Instead, put your case forward as to why you would rate them different

No, I don’t need 5 levels of rating. This is the standard rating system you can see used right across RU-vid on your typical rating videos. And the whole point is, this is my rating of the different systems. I have my reasons as to why I rated each system that way for each segment. For example, I don’t care if analog can go 400kms but you have to use 1.3ghz with a 500w TX, it’s 5.8ghz on what we have access to for our typical use case. I have the ratings based upon what I determined their ratings to be. If you don’t like it, cool, have your different view - but don’t criticise by ratings because you don’t agree with them. Instead, put your case forward as to why you would rate them different

Goggles can only for to 1080 on the others anyway n

If I was starting with Analog, I wouldnt be going for a high end analog setup. I'd be going with Box goggles like the Eachine EV800D ($100) then as I learned to fly and crash less then i'd move to digital. I think a new pilot doesn't have enough FPV experience to make a decision on which Digital System best suits them. So getting out, and having a ride along with other pilots using different systems will give you the best feeling for which is right.

ANALOG is still King and is FAR Cheaper than any HD system and are easily obtained from a vast array of sources

Thanks for the sub! Glad to have helped!

Hey Robert, yes you are right the HDZero goggles have analog compatibility, same as the DJI FPV Goggles v1 and v2; however I’m afraid this video is ranking the system in its entirety and not just a feature of the goggles. You raise a fair point for goggle compatibility

What confused you?

Cheers Zuldan! Well let’s see how things go this year and maybe I can run the rankings again in 12 months time

Maybe one day that system will get a A ranking bt it still has issues that is being addressed and ANALOG is still used by the majority of the FPV community even by those who have HD systems so sniveling Darrens claim is not true and when that was stated he gets angry when anyone disagrees with him so beware he will threaten to block anyone who does !!!

I don’t fly at night, but maybe there are some spots that I can fly late at night with it for fun.

I generally agree. When I was researching for this video, I found that in the recent firmware versions the colour and dynamic range has been pretty good, the difference really came down to resolution.

Flyable image is the second ranking.

Pushing something youve built with your own hands to a place where failure results in complete loss (for example up a mountain or across a sea) is far more exciting than looping a tree or broken wall 10m from where your standing. Flying LR is about mixed emotions. I often have to remind myself to calmly breathe so I dont misread a vital piece of osd info. Miscalculating your remaining battery, or not acknowledging a change in wind speed could be catasrophic. Flying LR with analog requires more balls than any freestyle flight will ever need.

@@tmc-fpv Yeah, but it's simply not FUN! 🤦‍♂You're confusing FUN with ANXIETY, STRESS, BEING NERVOUS...I get enough of those emotions in regular life already! That's THE LAST thing I want is MORE ANXIETY! I'm trying to fly places where I have LE chance of losing my quad and investment! Not More!!! Plus, way up in the open sky flying straight to get as far as you can....HECK! You could fly that with one hand on the sticks....ERRRR.....NO HANDS ON THE STICKS! Doing long range is what WINGS WERE MADE FOR! Not drones!!!! B O R I N G ! 🥴🥱💯

@@KOrnhOliO1 I would imagine that skydivers or race car drivers would say they do what they do because they're having fun.

@@KOrnhOliO1 I fly both quads and wings. Got more wings than quads.

he? You know, I have a name.. it's Darren. No, I dont hate analog. But when you have 3-4 Amazing HD Solutions to choose from, why choose analog?

@@DarrenAllatt hi That was meant more as a joke, but I think a big advantage of the analog FPV system is that it is very cheap and lighter than some of the digital alternatives.

That’s a product decision DJI have made. I’m sure when they were planning out the roadmap of features and compatibility, supporting OSD for other flight control systems was on it and I would Dessay. They probably made an assessment based upon marketshare and decided against it. But that’s the right as a business owner to do so The good news is, there are two other digital systems which are more than happy to support OSD from other flight control systems, so that put you in a position to make an informed decision about who you want to give you money to

All great points I totally agree Don't have the energy to explain this to people like you do so great job

Do I though? The rankings of the systems in the categories (range, latency, image quality) etc were all based upon their performance in that category. Latency for example, was not 'flyable latency' it was pure measurable latency, as you rightly said you don't race and you don't care, and most pilots who just fly where they can won't necessarily care either. HD-Zero received an appropriately lower score for its image quality, while O3 scored the highest and rightly so. I think you will find the subjective scores I gave for Freestyle would all agree with you, based upon what you value more in a system.

​ @Darren Allatt I feel like the main reason people are upgrading to digital systems is the increased visual fidelity and as a result image quality should have greater emphasis than other criteria when evaluating them. You noted that the DJI are more expensive to get into but that's only half the story. Both Walksnail and HDZero offer cheaper entries into their ecosystems but they're limited to 60fps which is a significant limitation. You didn't compare like for like or even note those limitations when discussing the cost. When you buy devices with the same capability (90-120 hz in the native goggles for each system) the prices are equivalent (the DJI V2s are actually cheaper than the Walksnail and HDZero goggles). I was most surprised by the freestyle category. On top of O3's superior live video image quality, the air unit's claim to fame is that it allows you to omit an action cam and its associated weight and expense and that somehow didn't merit an S rank? Please don't get me wrong...I enjoyed the video but I would definitely have placed the emphasis differently. I'll be watching for more videos from your channel because I like your take even when I don't agree.

​@@Invid72 and it's good to be able to discuss the different points and learn from each other! I appreciate you continuing to tune in! I wanted to do "value for money" but that would make the video way longer and probably a video on it's on.. "which FPV system is best value for money" and yeah the cheaper entry through VRX is DJI Goggles 2 have up to 100hz so even when flying in 120fps you aren't getting the full FPS from the camera, you get 100fps. HD-Zero is now doing 90fps and their goggles are 90Hz, so you can get full refresh rate; and 90 vs 100fps I'd belive is negligible difference. I did a video testing O3 vs GoPro 11 and most people still said the GoPro was miles better than O3, which I agree you don't need one, however it didn't get the S rank because you can only record in what you are flying, so if you want to record 4k 30fps, that's what you get in the goggles and its like flying drunk. While the GoPro allows you to record in 4k 30fps and have the VTX set at 1080/120fps for the lowest latency. So I felt the trade off not being able record and transmit in different resolutions & frame rates held it back from the S. Yeah increased visual quality is the main factor for going digital, but that's increased over analog.. the difference between how these systems perform overall does change how an end user would preference one or the other. I think of this analogy when people compare HD-Zero and DJI O3, it's like buying a Ferrari or a Bentley; both are luxury cars and are designed to excel at one of the 3 circles in the venn diagram (image/comfort, range/usability, latency/speed) Thanks for having a discussion as opposed to an argument :)

Hey, we don’t need to agree. For the benefit of others, who are trying to work out what’s best for them - can you share why for Europeans DJI v1 & v2 is the best?

@@DarrenAllatt well from what I can tell is that one huge reason is that the goggles V1 and V2 are the only ones where users can wear glases instead of having to get diopter inserts. Secondly most people don't want to spend a ton of money changing their goggles and vtx. The signal is strong and stable and no need to worry about breakup when flying in rural areas. Also my guess is that Europeans tend to go for something that is well known and has a big name instead of trying something new. I personally thought about swapping to Walksnail just because of the new low light camera but will not do so yet because for me CADDX is currently providing products that are not 100 percent, rather 70 percent and that is not good enough.

Darren just pointed out the many variables of each system. You can make your own choice.

Come on?

What do you mean?

@fillyStyle_FPV Please elaborate.

Sniveling Darren is a Joke like his video's nonsense

@@DarrenAllatt O geez your comp skills need work there little Sniveler Darren he said it right it is a joke like you are little kid...Bah ha ha ha Blocked me yet ?LOL

so, point of clarification, I didn't recommend walksnail, that's just how the scores added up. But agree for most pilots, DJI for your regular park / crusing / freestyle is probably the best choice

DJI is an unreliable company and who knows what that company is going to do next and how many goggles will it take to wake DJI fan boys up to that fact ? seriously If you want to be a photographer droner by all means DJI, but anything else FPV ANALOG is still KING and will remain so for some time to come, inside or out

@Mark ItZero and yet the majority are still using analog and even after buying HD systems still are flying analog, so how does that FACT NOT make it the KING of FPV at this time? Sure one day the HD "may" get to the top of the mountain in FPV but that has NOT happened yet because these systems still have issues at their price that should never be there AT those prices and WHY so many still fly analog even with HD goggles etc. I did not make any of those facts up everyone can easily research it to know that as the thousands of online FPV vids prove it as well as countless articles concerning the subject , just so you know BUT your terminology of "every situation" is correct .

@Mark ItZero O well, it appears when one does something human behavior tends to lead others in the same group to follow suit, but Nationally the RC FPV community is still flying analog and the odd thing is and you can see the hundreds of videos they even with HD equipment they revert back to flying analog buying analog compatible modules to do so .

This guy talks like an Old Lady?