Yeah he is 100% not as hard as people say, you have your basic abilities for fights and after five games you know what you are doing you don't have to watch that much stuff
@@madeinheaven1234 As a Hwei main, he is INSANELY BROKEN. And he does have hard stuff such as EQ+QW (practically a quadruple-cast) and not spamming WE
@@RidingMOM187 azir kit is simpler and hwei well is hwei , the problem is how you apply those abilities and when , hwei is much more forgiving if u make a bad decision azir is not , use ur E wrong or Q on cd ur dead . if its about how creative u can get with a champion id say shaco is the toughest one , ur only limited by , well , you .
There is a reason there is saying " there is always a feeding Yasuo" cuz that champ is hard. I don't play anymore but during my 9 years of playing on my free time I played Azir, Zed, Lee sin, Thresh, Yasuo... Even when I got mastery 7 on Yasuo I still sucked, it took me at least a year on free time while I was doing school to get used to actually play Yasuo and not be busy focusing how to dash properly on a fight. You literally need to think +10 moves ahead in an instant during a fight while dashing/AA in the right angle and execute the right combo for the right situation with finger muscle memory. To look anything close to PZZANG (the goat) at least +3 years or more of experience.
@@ZMJJKK-t4i Aphelios is actually harder than ppl think he is tbh he is alot squishier than other champs and its hard to use ur weapons well but he def is easier than ez
Aphelios is just use your Q then auto attack nothing to dificult, funny to see people saying that champs that have Q W E R less dificult than Q R from aphelios
Okay so this may be a hot take, but i don't find hwei that hard. He is mecanically demanding, but his game plan is really simple and so is his laning phase: you just perma push with rumble's R, do not has mana problem bc of his e. His mana management is way better than the average mage, and you can spam spells on cs or oppo. From the start of the game he can lane bully really hard thanks to all of those things, and whith R, bite and bolt has significant kill pressure. His teamfights aren't hard, easier than most mages imo (except for the mecanics required). I started playing him and have better results than char like anivia that i play for a longer time. Even in the mu against assassins which are supposed to be hard there isn't much trouble, bc you have the constant wave pressure and with their poor wave clear they can't do anything, if they roam they loose tons of cs, even if they all-in you just fear them and out damage them. The only mu that i find hard are zed, fiz (permaban) and xerath bc of range
I agree, I would also add Irelia to champions I personally struggle against as Hwei. He is unique but once you get the grasp of him, he is a very reliable pick at least for me. Positioning is key I would say since his abilities have different range and ult was hard to land before recent buff, now he is kinda easy for me. Insane poke in lane and sustain from we, also nice tempo due to wq, easy to dodge ganks with using qe wq and e that fits the situation the most.
If he's so easy then why is his win rate so low? IMHO, there are several things that make him hard. Firstly, his early game cooldowns are really long, and good opponents will punish those. Engages and ganks will be timed for when both his Q and E are on cooldown, and he needs to deal with that. Secondly, whilst it's easy to select the right spells to use in normal situations, correctly picking the right spells to use and not panicking in chaotic team fights with all sorts of stuff happening around him is pretty damn hard. His success is also massively dependent on hitting his ultimate, and correctly landing that skill short probably has more impact on the outcome of a team fight than almost any other skill in the game (possible exceptions - Rumble and Orianna R).
As an ADC main since season 4 I don't really agree with all the placements. Aphelios requires more effort, for the same reasons of Hwei, while I don't think Kai'Sa is that hard: yep, she has a short range, but she has like 2-3 combos, her trading pattern is really simple (Q+aa or Q+W+aa for all-ins). I would also put cait in hard tier, because she's easy to pick up but hard to master: you need to be able to exploit her range advantage and her mechanics are harder because they revolve a lot around the traps placement.
gotta remember this is all from one (or maybe even more) persons point of view, you may be better or worse with a particular champs kit and thus is feels more natural to you and easier to pick up, Some find irelia hard, some easy. Most however agree shes designed for a more experienced player.
Cait? the champ with the longest aa in the game, low mana cost for her abilities, point and click super long ranged ult. Has a get away mechanic that slows the enemies that hit and empowers your next A.A. She can also put traps that last forever. That cait is hard to use and master?
when making a tier list on difficulty you either rank by skill floor which is what you did or skill ceiling. skill floor is how long it takes to average a 50% winrate on certain picks(which indicates moderate proficiency) , skill ceiling is how hard it is to master them to the point where you can play every aspect of the champion perfectly everygame. For example champions like Zed, irelia, yasuo have skill ceilings so high it's practically unattainable to reach perfect play on those champions. You should change the title to specify this list is about hard hard it is to pick up these champs not master them.
Oh shit what's up laceration? When you going to drop a new vid man I been missing your content. Im finally enjoying Zed again this season and feel like hes somewhat getting back to his former glory. Hope to see some stuff from you soon bro. Much respect!
Very much agreed. Quite useless list honestly. Although Zed isn't actually that hard at all comared to Ire and Yas. Honestly he has very straightforward playstyle with some harder combos you would use less frequently
It's not that champions like zed are impozsible to master, it's more like you are never going to assume that you'll land everything when going for a kill.
I'd argue that Draven deserves to be in the Expert tier too, getting used to his Q mini game is really tricky especially since you need to learn to manage axes properly without throwing yourself into an unfavourable position and getting caught by like a Blitz hook or a WW ult
@@greenstrawberrygaming its not hard at the start, when it gets hard is micromanaging a triple axe juggle while activating W to maintain move/attack speed while deciding when u can snag an axe or if it would put u in a position to eat a fight losing CC like Blitz Q, Morg Q, Naut Q, Leo E, Etc…
Mostly agree but... I would say that so many champions have so many cute little tricks and secrets that make them pop off, like a Sion for instance. You can have 100 games of Sion and still not play him like the baus. Even the simple champions can require many many games for you to play them well. But nice video!
the bausffs skills is not related to the champ at all, he just completely masters the wave management and completely understand how bountys and splitpushing works
@@georgeromain2274 although i agree with this, what he said is true to an extend too, you can see how much a player knows the champion based on little things even if its a simple champion, like auto W R animation cancel on Renekton or E flash on Urgot kinda shows how much that player is trying to take advantage of the champion's kit
@@georgeromain2274 I agree with you, his skill on other areas of the game -definitely- help him shine, though I still think that knowing how to play your champion is still important. There are so many pixels he uses to Q out of vision, saving his W AFTER he has taken damage, using E right before dying so people is slowed for the passive, using ult to ignore CC, there are SO many little interactions that you can only learn with 100+ games that will make a sion completely take over a game, compared to "just an average tank"
@@vinaayagamkarunagaran3439 Exactly. There are so many pixels he uses to Q out of vision, saving his W AFTER he has taken damage, using E right before dying so people is slowed for the passive, usin Q + R + Q to ignore Sion camera displacement on the ult... So many tricks, that turn sion from a tank to an actual beast xD
Another thing that's incredible simple to do as Heimer support is ruining the state of the minion wave. I have yet to play alongside a Heimer support that didn't force you to be constantly pushing unless you want him to get all the CS. He may be easy to pick up, but to use him effectively, I'd say a some experience is required...
Yasuo itemization is kinda the same for almost every match-up for the first 3 items, + you always buy boots first, so you just need to know how the passive, W, Q and E works science R is really easy to underestand. Also underestand that he scales harder as the game goes on and only need 2 items to dont care about being behind anymore
Imo Lux on mid deserves to be easy tier, just hit q at least 50% of the times. Q + e + r takes 50%+ of enemy hp usually. E has huge hitbox Q might be a bit more difficult to hit, but still easy And r is just r...interstellar beam that has almost no cooldown, huge range and is easy to hit There is a reason as to why they offer you Lux as one of the picks in tutorial
Exactly. Cant get any easier. U dont even need wave management you have your ult. Positioning doesnt matter cuz u can stay out of the screen all the time. Its the same level as Annie. Atleast Annie has to get close
The basic viego kit is simple but to use the abilities of your enemies efficiently you gotta learn alot of champs. You could say he has an infinite skill sealing because you won't be able to master every champ to its maximum potential.
Yeah, the skill ceiling of champions weren't on focus here, it's about the skill floor. I main Zyra, she has a pretty low skill floor as I see a lot of people succeeding with her in low elo. But at the same time even high elo players may not use her plants optimally.
shaco support mention, nice. The hardest part about the pick is your allies flaming you when you pick it. And then they never respect your champ's cooldowns or set ups. But when they actually do play with the boxes or bait people into your set ups it's so rewarding. Having a lot of fun this season controlling objectives with shaco support.
I've never seen Shaco support getting flamed. However, in my experience, if you pick Seraphine bot lane in low ELO, then you have more than a 50% chance of your support flaming you before minion waves crash - and that's despite her averaging a 53% win rate in the role.
@@chriswilliamson9993 high win rate but low pick rate. i outdmg sera adcs on support shaco every time so idk, i personally don't like it because most of the time mid is ap, i'm ap if on main but most supports are ap. We need a solid ad for a good comp. i'd rather have a lethality adc right now than a a sera but its personal taste. especially with all the mr items that were added in the game, playing 3 ap champs is very bad. of course you can pick it only when your team goes ad mid ad jg ad top but most of the time you gotta first pick adc/support so mid and top get last pick so its hard if nobody hovers.
@@sonnenblume4 It's not that unusual for a team to show a whole load of AD champions in select. Last season I'd pick Ziggs to fill that hole, but the new items don't suit Ziggs, and his win rate has plummeted. Sera is a much better choice for that niche.
Hwei is honestly not that hard. After 5 games you get used to where all his abilities are and he's just a standard mage at that point. Orianna, zed, qiyana are all harder imo
@@ziggs123 When I started lol, he just felt that hard since I need to execute my combo very quick with everything being a skillshot, I'm horrible at skillshots
@@mr.joesterr5359 nah he is easy to play because litteraly every other champ that are similar have to play macro a lot more effectively while not having the privilege of infinite scaling, insane waveclear and a braindead safety tool (i.e azir,anivia,...)
I mostly agree, but I think Blitzcrank is actually way easier if you have general game knowledge. You have pressure by just standing in range of your Q, you dont even need to hit anything, you simply have to exist in a place where enemies can be scared of your hook
i played her first time in aram without having read the skills descriptions and after about 20 minutes i understood the champ quite intuitively. i'd say 25 games for getting good with hwei is appropriate?
As someone who plays Swain and Hwei mid, Swain should be considered medium (e and w can be quite tricky). And Hwei should be in hard instead of expert, his huge ability pool gives him a lot of options without being a headache after some games
I disagree with hwei being so difficult. I don't think you actually tried that champ. You really get a feel for his abilities quickly and can commit them to muscle memory with 10-20 games. His problem is, that his damage output falls off rather hard late, so it's difficult to have an impact even if you are ahead. Champs like Zed and kata aren't less mechanically complex and they have no cc. You need much more macro knowledge to pull them off and if you fall behind you have no utility/cc to help you stay relevant.
Azir isn't that hard. Qiyana should be expert, she's truly awful if you don't have a lot of games. LB, Yas and Yone are horrible without experience too, and Irelia Jayce, probably expert. For bot I'd add Hwei.
@@jollygoodgaming2296yeah as someone who mained yone when he came out, then switched to yas, yone is for sure a lot easier in lane. Outside of lane, he can be pretty tricky cause he’s very squishy and can’t stack q’s easily, but he’s definitely not on the same level as qui yas and them
How tf is ezreal harder than Draven. Draven literally has no escape if you misplay, less range, a mechanic unique to him which makes him more predictable and add to that is generally harder to position with in teamfights because you dont have a free blink.
Really disagree with mid. Hwei shouldn't remove a whole hoard of champs from the 50+ category when that's where they 150% belong. If anything make a special category or mention for him, but lying about a handful of champ being 25-50 when they're 1000% 50+, just because the new champ is harder to you, is wrong imo. I also don't think Hwei is as hard as people think he is. Aphelios is way harder to manage as his guns each do something completely different, come with a different ability, and different ult interaction. Hwei has three category of spells...all the spells inside that category are related to each other n terms of purpose and the icons are VERY clear and helpful in reminding you what his abilities do. And then Ez in 50+? Lololol
Azir, Talia, Le Blanc>>>>>>>Hwei In my opinion Azir and Talia is 2 the most difficult characters in the game, just because of balance. You can do the best combo in your life and do less damage than some AP Malphite that just one shot you with 25 sec cooldown ult. For Adc: I can't believe my eyes... Jinx - one of the most bad balanced characters. If your support doing shit, you can never carry the game. Others adc can. Start for Jinx - is the most difficult part of the game
Ziggs is literally first timeable tho like yes he has skill shots but even after 100 games u won’t hit every and u don’t need to since he is very forgiving cause he has such low cds and most of time only spams the abbiltys onto the wave
There are 3 ADC champions who deserve to be in Expert difficulty - Kalista, Aphelios, Draven and that's it. Kalista was explained in the video, Aphelios has one of the most confusing kits for a beginner and trying to manage Draven's axes during fights is one of the hardest things to do as one mistake could literally cost you an entire fight. Ezreal? I mean I get that you're biased, but this is arguably one of the safest ADCs which gives you more breathing room to get used to it, there aren't many things you need to keep in mind when playing him, I'd feel safer if I had a first time Ezreal on my team than I would with a first time Kalista,Draven or Aphelios which kind of contradicts your "first time test" theory. Kalista and Draven are oddly similar in the sense where you're basically forced to move around if you want to be even slightly useful and it's very easy to get into a bad situation.
Reminds me of my time in Bronze shortly after the Gangplank rework. I used to play him top lane without the slightest clue as to his real potential. No one had even heard of a triple barrel back then. As for Vel'koz, playing him well is, IMHO, one of the hardest things in the game. Not only does he have quite unique skill shots, but the ability to early cancel his Q brings him to a whole new level - getting the time consistently right on early Q cancels in order to hit people behind minions is exceptionally hard.
@@chriswilliamson9993 play velkoz with malignance, shadowflame, rabadons. Mid. Unless you are against an assasin like fizz you will have a blast dealing huge amounts of dmg.
id say trundle is easy to get a "baseline" output from easily. however your pillar really takes work. stopping zac or lee sin jumps with it takes a bit more practice
Seeing Quinn in easy tier is an instant end of watching the video. Considering the fact that you need to play around harrier procs, space correctly, and a lot more. You literally put her and Garen in the same tier, like cmon
And unlike most top champions, any Quinn's mistake is very punishable. There's so little room for mistakes with her, you misscalculated an E or miss a Q and you die.
Nilah, Draven and Aphelios are way harder than Kalista, Kalista just needs the click and move mechanic but it is not conditional like Draven, Draven has same mechanic but depends on not missing an axe to deal damage
hwei is def not expert tier. ppl saying using 10 abilities is way harder than 4 have like 2 fingers on both hands. the only "hard" decision on him is "to play defensively with WW or aggressively with WE" (in reality you just WEEQRQQ one target or the same with QEEE on crowd, woah big brain goes brrr)
All of their abilities ALL are skillshots, which means that if u dont land then u DONT deal damage no matter how fed u are. U can be fed af in a game but miss all your skillshots in a tf and suddenly u are worth less. And they do also as most champs have clear exploitable weaknesses (Hard engage cc)
@@criticalrevel I've been maining Xerath support and mid, yes his kit is all skillshots but they are not hard to land at all, maybe the ult but no way you need 50+ games to master it, also his passive makes missing some skillshots more forgiving
@criticalrevel I recently played Ziggs. As long as you have a brain you can legit just Stomp games through poke and farming. Both can AFK farm and hard engage counters any immobile camp many with less Range and safety than Xerath or Ziggs. Skills hots are not the biggest deciding factor. That's why I pointed out both can be highly uninteractive in lane.
@@guzvaryou probably aren’t a very high rank to be honest. Xerath abilities are so easy to dodge is almost comical. It’s actually one of my favorite champs to lane against, because you buy boots, and watch as he drains all his mana either trying to poke you but miss, or just farms and leaves you alone and is basically a walking 300 gold for assassin mids/ jgs
I mean if my adc says he is autofilled, i would tell him to pick ezreal. They wont get 100% out of him, but they will still play easily at least decent. Everyone who played league of a while, no matter what lane, can play ezreal. Its just skillshots. Legit a no brain champion, just need aim. Zeri is a entire new playstyle you have to get used too. Kalista too. Draven too. Aphelios too. This should be expert tier. i would put ezreal at medium. He needs some mechanical skill, but literlly 0 knowledge. Vayne is way harder and has not an entire new playstyle like the other i named, but still, using her ult, understanding you invisibility and using it to the fullest at stressed situations, is way harder.
how is xayah in medium? self peel on ult can do only so much. But if you cant land feathers or do q+aa+e frame perfect she is like superminion, does something but ultimately worthless
dont normally comment but wtf. xerath is the easiest of the easy to play supp. just shoot from a mile away. hit scan with no way to dodge. i dont even need the r to win lane.
thresh should be in a hard difficulty, because its a first support that I have played and it wasn't that hard learning him, but some new videos about thresh still suprised me with new mechanics earlier
I personally expected rammus support to be ranked, but appereantly no. Rammus support has become so off meta it didnt get ranked in somewhere Twitch, leblanc and sylas is ranked
I disagree with Quinn being easy tier, yes she can impact games very well but she puts her team at a disadvantage comp-wise and you have to employ very specific mechanics for each matchup and have insanely good spacing and kiting
As a hwei main, i dont agree he's harder or even as hard as azir. Azir has a lot more combos and split second inputs required. I put hwei in mid range hard tier
As a Blitzcrank main, it's nice to see them in a higher tier when most of the community seems to see them as a beginner champ. Sure, Blitzcrank is mechanically pretty simple, but also very punishing if played sloppily. You have negative lane pressure if you miss your hooks and the self slow on W can get you in serious trouble. Plus knowing when to ult immediately vs when to hold it for the extra dps. And don't get me started on hooking the wrong champ at the wrong time. Nothing feels worse than when your adc dies and it's all your fault.
Okay so why is Aphelios lower than Ezreal in ranking? Like his kit is waaayyy harder than Ezreal. Like Ezreal is landing skillshots but have you seen like the 200 years worlds? Like everyone was saying it would take 200 years to understand Aphelios. So he should have his own class over the expert tier. Also to be good with Aphelios it takes more skill than to be good with Hwei.
First off, you completely misunderstood the 200 years meme. It had absolutely nothing to do with how long it would take to understand him, the joke was that riot made a video saying they had a combined 200 years of developing and balancing experience, and then aphelios came out and was one of the most broken things ever released. That was the entire joke. 2nd off, it really comes down to the player, but the reason you could have ezreal higher than aphel is because almost 100% of his damage comes from hitting skillshots constantly, like more than any other champ in the game. And I think some people forget that when you get past gold elo, people know how to sidestep abilities. Plus mechanically, aphelios is extremely easy to pull off, he’s just much more about champion specific knowledge. At the end of the day, some people find it harder to know how to use and manage a bunch of weapons efficiently, and some people find it harder to land 50 skill shots in 1 fight
Many champ placements fail/miss the skill floor and ceiling part in this list: vayne, Vlad, viego, swain, Viktor, ori, tf ,... Also Aphelios and Draven are harder than ezreal. This makes it seem like hitting skills is the only skill...
some of those adcs arent in the right places... Jhin's W is used mostly after an ally engages, so they will already be crowd controlled, and Jhin doesnt demand you learn to attack move either. Ezreal may be "skillshot reliant," but said skillshots are huge and he has the most forgiving positioning of all adcs Like miss fortune, they are great introductions to the adc role if you are familiar with other classes, like mages
I’ve been trying to pick up ezreal recently as a very new player, I only play bot lane. For me kiting and positioning is super hard so far but the skill shots aren’t so hard, I think it’s because I can pretty freely hit new players that don’t really sidestep etc. I’ve been having loads of fun on him and can’t wait to get even better. He has ironically been my most successful adc so far. I’m used to Jinx, Jhin and MF. And also am finding a lot of success on them more so jhin than the others
Like everything he said about kha, hits yi too. If you are not ahead with yi, you are useless. Your early is trash, and yet you somehow have to get strong. You are basicly a adc, just in meele, die from every cc. And this are just the cons of yi, you still have to use your q with timing to dodge stuff, same with your w + the aa reset you get from w. i had fights with lee, that i won becasue i used my w for aa reset + blocking his 2nd q with a 0.1sec w tab. You have to have your aa rhythm all the time in your head, to block enemys spells and animation cancel at the same time. He is by no means a extremly hard champ, but if you want to play him in a high elo, you cant say he is easier then trundle or kha. Trundle is just auto attack button spam and kha is the same, just with having the knowledge of who he one shots/who he doesnt one shots and when to get in/how to get out
Yea I wouldn't say Yi is easy, cause everyone knows what you are trying to do and the game has a lot of cc so you gotta be smart in when you do things, when to go in and in the chaos of solo queue and non-coordination, it takes game knowledge and experience. We've all have that useless Yi that just ints.
Shaco belongs in the expert tier. Beeing the only Champion that can build anything for specific situations is a feat that you have to learn for a very long time. Nidalee is definently easier to improve on than him and I main both of them arround mid to high dia.
I am missing irelia and gangplank from the mid expert tier, I think irelia is so damn hard mechanically ( specially if you want perfect aa cancel with all the spells and movement ) , and for gangplank mid, it is hard to play vs mages, dodging and timing barrels make or break the matchup.
gp mid vs mages is about the same as any ranged matchup top. They only put it lower bc gp is weaker early and mid is a bit safer for that, ither than that it’s the same. It’s just a bit more forgiving
Nah top is easyer, more melee matchup, and mid gets ganked more, and gp has no mobility so it is way harder( at least for me, i hate to ply gp to ranged matchups thoo) and as a fun fact, you are a sitting duck on mid, because you dont want to roam a lot, to get to lvl13 as fast as possible, but he is pretty good vs yone yasuo and other melee champs
Oh yeah its so hard pressing Q key and then right click a target to 100 - 0 a target or at least blow summs ... Ppl whining bout irelia being hard ... The même xd
@@criticalrevel I think you misunderstood, In Irelias case ( and gp also) starting to play the champions is not the hard part, it’s pretty easy. As Irelia you can get away with that, until you reach a certain level. Then, people will not let you do that. The hard part of Irelia is to reach 100% dps consistently with aa cancells, to trad on a low hp caster, q execute the caster you aa the enemy and then q out and you will have to do it as fast, that the enemy doesn’t hit you back ( for example,as gp it is timing constantly, to hit the barrels when it has 2 health and it ll reach 1 when your aa gets there) and you can play gp as ok flash basic q on the adc in late game and delete her, but that is far away from what is the max potential of the champ. I advise you to watch an Irelking clip and see what it looks like when played on a high level .
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After playing the new season for 2 months i can confidently say that hwei does not belong in expert-tier. He might have 10 abilities but its not like he has any hard to execute combos like jayce or azir. instead you press q-e on the wave. and a couple of seconds later you do the same thing again. Get minion demat and you will pretty much oneshot the wave at lvl 8/9. Being able to get prio against champs like zoe (who is one of the strongest early game mages) in the early game should just not be a thing. zoe, azir, ryze are just a couple of examples that are 100% harder to execute than this bs champion. Champ has basically everything you would want from a control mage. CC, zone control, high dmg, high range, utility and even free mana sustain.
hwei is not hard to play, he has a lot of abilities but none of them are too hard to understand, is just like a champ with really basic habilities but that has 10 of them
NAH aint no way aphelios isnt in expert tier and people underestimate how high caits skill ceiling is why do you think gumayushi spams her. the difference between a good cait and an expert cait is night and day she gotta be minimum hard tier
When Hwei came out I decided to learn him. I played at least 20 arena games got better and better. I won a lot on SR, but I still forget to use some skills and it's funny when I panic and press buttons in the wrong order. :D For me he's as hard as Aphelios, because I'm more confident with mages.
@@risy95 both. skill ceiling might be comparable but he’s actually a deceptively simple champion. there are some mechanical requirements but nothing nearly as hard as playing an adc, especially one as involved as aphelios. hwei’s skill floor is actually super low; he has 10 abilities but they’re all pretty straightforward. the hardest thing about him is having both the situational awareness and the apm to play him in teamfights, but even then, he’s still easier than aphelios.
@@eebbaa5560 I agree on player skill. But the video also seem to calculate champion knowledge. On the long run Hwei is much easier than Aphelios, but not at the moment for me. You can play Aphelios like any adcs. Obviously not good, but you may beat worse players. If an average player plays Hwei without any knowledge, he will be useless. Only from this viewpoint, Hwei is the hardest and most confusing champ.
I'd hate to see a first time Kayle in my ranked games, it's not that the kit is hard, it's just a whole different way of approaching the game and it requires quite a strong mental because the champ has so little agency (and it tilts your allies to oblivion when you can't roam in the enemy jungle to invade with them at level 3 against a lane bully, for some reason)
viktor e used to be very hard to land consistently especially at max range but hes basically way easier now with the new clamp cast setting so maybe thats why. still should be at least hard level though because of his reliance on having very good csing skills to be useful and also some more micro intensive mechanics
