It doesn’t though… have you ever used golden lands? If you think holy is bad then you never played anything but faith.. holy damage has the best options in the game excluding radabeast and fortisax
I did a mod for Holy related Items. Lost my shit after the recent patch. For instance, added a mechanic for Holy dmg to ignore 10% of the defense of enemies, and for every holy based weapon to put down undead type enemies. Transformed the Regal omen into a spell for the golden order seal that only costs 15 FP. And finally, modified the radagon shitsword to cast WoG and Law of regression on the first step of the AoW and added sacred blade infusion after the bullet wave. Wish I could have done better. Once I get my holidays Imma rework it.
Fire being 6 is absolutely insane😭 “Yeah they’re pretty good against some annoying enemies” Literally list some of the most common and annoying enemies to fight and run away from “But look at the resistances” list some of the least common and easily avoidable enemies😭
@@ShiranuiLoki certainly not during bosses do, and it never rains in at Lyndell, Mountain top of giants, Haligtree or Faram Azula. Fire is especially the best element in term of PVE
Flame grant me strength, Godfrey Icon, and charge literally any fire spell Giants, Godslayer, Frenzy, they all can be charged, and are therefor buffed by Godfrey icon And lighting is ass because of its rarity
There isn't a team buff vs fire, is there? All other elements have an incantation to reduce their dmg for the whole team but I can't find the fire one. That alone makes it god tier for invasions imo, if it's the case.
@@goeijmejisju1510 and it wouldn’t breaK the game, flame scales much better than lightning, the damage typing is what balances it out especially in pvp
I cant believe fire is at number 6 it has so many good early game options and a lot of late game options too all of the weapons are crazy good especially blasphemous blade I think it should be top 3 and on top of that the "when it rains it does 10% less damage" is dumb it never rains during a boss fight (that i know of) and its only a temporary overworld effect that can be changed by just waiting
Using lighting buffs with the pike that’s scaling off dex (quickstep, or rapid pierce) along with the rotted wing talisman is very fun and effective Also great against malenia it makes her falter a lot.
I’d switch the fire and lightning ranking. Fire has access to the godskin incantations and queens black flame which can do decent damage to even fire resistant bosses with the extra tick damage
Yeah but shes on water most of the time giving her a 10% fire resist, whilst also reducing her lightning res by 10% which originally is 20% making her effectively have 10% resist to both elements. Fire sucks.
My first playthrough was holy damage focused for the entire game. Needless to say, Maliketh and Radagon were needlessly hard and I didn't know why. On NG+ I beat both of them first try with a strength build though
Strike damage's biggest weakness is the lack of weapon types imo. Remember in DS3 when you had the Executioner's GS and Cathedral UGS which both did strike damage but with much better movesets ? Anyway, great vid with that autistic level of research and them sweet graphs.
I'm very glad pierce is so good because heavy thrusting swords and spears are my favorite weapon types because they let me shield camp (and because the Great Epee and Godskin Sticher might have the most smug, pretentious looking movesets in the entire game). The fact the Bolt of Gransax is a spear is like the cherry on top, if the cherry were so large it overtook the cake.
I would personally rate Standard Damage much higher. While it's not super effective against anything, its main strength is that it performs consistently well against everything. As someone who generally likes to pick a weapon and play through the whole game with only that weapon, it's really useful not having to worry about specific encounters where my damage will be pathetic because of enemy resistances. Strike Damage is delightful until you have fight Godskin Noble; Pierce Damage is excellent until you meet Borealis. But Standard Damage gives you consistent results no matter what. The only thing I can think of that's actually really resistant to it (and all Physical Dmg in general) are the Skeletal Slimes, but they are such non-threat that it barely counts.
Inseparable Sword was surprisingly powerful against even the most Holy resistant bosses. 80 faith and stacking holy damage and damage buffs make it a powerful holy stick.
Magic dmg is better then fire dmg. Barely anything resists magic. Saying spells carry the type like they don’t literally do magic dmg and while also having plenty of fire spells makes no sense to me.
Imo I think frostbite is amazing (so magic by extension) You get the big chuck off the health bar when you trigger it plus you then get the damage buff against the enemy while they are under the effect of it. I understand your reasoning to put magic where you did as not every magic damaging weapon or spell gets frostbite and it's trigging isn't guaranteed on enemies with every build.
So what I did, is I went through all the bosses resistances (not counting duplicates) and tallied them based on a system (prioritizing the lowest resistance, max of 20 if preferable; 2nd priority was 20 from highest number, and lastly 0 or lower). With this system I came up with (Order# - Tally): 1(Slashing) - 48 2(Piercing) - 43 3(Lightning) - 42 4(Fire) - 40 5(Strike) - 35 6(Standard) - 26 7(Magic) - 22 8(Holy) - 19 ---- Not to say any of them are "weak" (... except holy) but enemies seem to have the least resistances to slashing, piercing, etc.
Putting fire damage at 6 is straight up dumb. There are trillions of fire damage subtypes in this game - ghostflame, bloodflame, black flame, you name it, each with their unique effects and applications, and if some thing is resistant to it, Int build can always swap to magic or physical (gravity) and faith build can always swap to holy or lightning. I've heard some content creators calling fire damage the most versatile of all damage types and I certainly support that point of view. Not even mentioning that some of the best weapons in the game deal fire damage.
Can you make a list about which is the best infusion type damage. Cause I was fighting Malenia with a fire greatsword, and a have a strength/faith build, but I switched to a cold infusion and even when a didn't have any magic the damage was higher.
Strike should be ontop for the pose damage it applies as well as the fact that some enemies 'the miners'' you need it to do More damage than normal to them.
Lightning not scaling with faith is so annoying, the ancient dragon lightning spells are the best in the game, let my weapon scale with my incantations
I personally prefer standard physical damage over its more focused cousins for the exact reason you hate it: its pure neutral. To me, it means repectable and consistent damage across the game. Its for the Tarnished who hate math and just wanna bonk
Strike damage does do a lot of damage against knights and soldiers. Just from looking at their armor set stats. Almost all the knight/soldier armors are weak to strike
Lightning being tied to Dex but no holy counter part is the only thing in the way for litghning being the best damage type in the game. However, I do see that if they did it, Faith builds would be overpowered as fuck
Now this was something tremendously useful.. And one of the very few videos where I actually agree 100% with you.. 🤔🤔 I wonder why you didn't make a tier list in this video though.. 😮😮
I wished lightning could do stun damage and Stun affect from Sekiro that would of been amazing like frosbite affect but they go into stun animation just like the way it happens in Sekiro.
Lightning⚡being the second best damage type really makes sense - lightning has been amazing for dps since the old days of Dark Souls and melted most bosses across all three games. Binging your ranking tier lists the passed while and you never fail to provide insight into this masterpiece of a game. Thank you, Youwy! \[T]/ Miracle builds really are viable, heh.
I kind of agree with the ranking ... only i would place magic higher because imo it along with flame art is the best for people doing new game plus... but that is niche.... Pierce is goated.... my first playthrough i had a warhammer pickaxe that had poise dmg,pierce damage, and i put wild strikes on it. Pretty much carried me till mid game when i switched to colossal swords, but i missed the nimbleness of not having to fat roll... later and super late game i switched to godskin stitcher which triviliased many late game bosses with amazing ashes of war and incantations to build and proc bleed over and over like blood tax whilst recovering hp. I did use strike though a lot as well as i was a primarily str build and had a heavy godskin with blood tax doing more bleed than most katanas and arguably better than twinblades as i could poke from behind a greatshield and had time to reset and did not have to roll too mch or risk jump attacks. Also i used mimic tear so it was basically like bosses started at half hp for me... it was ridiculous. so this playthrough im going lightning with a goal to reach minimum stat requirement for gransax by the time i finish leyndell with 60 vig and 50 end... im already level 123 and have almost explored gelmir but havent activated grace in altus... go figure... this game i am in a quality build mode definitely overleveled but with so many options to choose from that i can frankly just use +17 weapons if i choose. Also i don't know which damage type axes do but the warped axe deserves a mention as top 5 weapon in the game. It goes with a quality build, it goes with a int build, it is good for an arcane build , and it can be played well in a strength build as well two handed sometimes matching the damage output of weapons one or two tiers above it's class. It's like a cruiserweight boxer that has heavyweight potential.
Slashing weapons usually scale to dex…guess what else scales to dex…lighting. The main bosses and enemies that resist slash loses to lighting. For skeletons you just slap on sacred order with keen and do 100% damage to them and it counts as weapon buff. Skeletons and deathbrighy bird never something you should consider resisted too because of this.
there aren’t many important “dude in armor” enemies/bosses so the strike damage really loses it’s value also I don’t understand why standard damage type exists, it really just undermines the reason why damage types exist. Like I can’t see a single weapon that can’t be placed in any of the three damage types
i found out what "standart" dmg is for. its the raw infusion from ds3, aka highest damage at RL1 Weapon level 0. like 10 dmg more than quality or occult
9:51 I didn't know Rennala was weak to magic. Did my first run as a blaster caster and disn't remember having a problem with her until i remembered using Rocksling + meteoric staff against her, and that does physical damage.
I still can't believe that Elden ring doesn't have a good wiki yet. I remember that DS1 had a really good one, I think it was the wikidot one. DS2 had a good one as well. Ever since fextralife joined the scene all the wikis for these games fucking sucks.
So hear me out, wouldn’t using a piercing damage weapon with electrify armaments and a proper stats split of either dex/fth or str/fth make the best weapon in the game?
Annoying part about lighting spells, specifically the dragon lightning is almost all of it retardedly jumps into the air to use it, so you just get slapped out of the air after floating in a long animation. If it lands, it's going to do damage, but is it going to land...
For me my rank based on what made it easy in my first play-through slash Strike Fire Magic/Lightning I rarely used them unless a boss was obviously weak to one Pierce Standard Holy As far as combo Strike and holy usually destroyed tibia or death rite birds or any undead things Strike and fire is great against putrid and erdtree avatars Strike is great for rocky and heavily armored enemies, anything you would use a hammer for I most did slash and fire with bleed slash weapons and slash and lightning for Loretta or any other boss who are weak to lightning, slash is great for anything with skin and can bleed or in cloth armor I felt like most bosses got destroyed by slash and fire and bleed and the few that didn’t I used strike and whatever buff they were weak too, usually fire and sometimes holy for field bosses Never found use for pierce or standard Bosses were either weak enough to slash or strike Pierce and standard were usually neutral or if they were weak to pierce it wasn’t by much and never really found a Pierce weapon I truly loved My two fave weapons in first play through was bloodhound fang with bloodflame and watchdog staff
Faith doesn’t need a lightning damage whetstone, they have electrify armament. And it would scale too high. Faith is already too diverse. It doesn’t need any more
@@depressedpotato2847 seems like projecting, I am just being based. I would explain the pvp implications or overall balance but unfortunately your response implies you may need to run through every stat. I like youwy but his faith/str bias shows pretty hard. I am actually a faith/str main and it is really cringe to see the whole pity on lightning damage from faith when they have fantastic options that rival dex for weapons. I’ll put it this way to make it easier to understand the problem Electrify armament + standard weapon is about the same AR as a lightning weapon Flame however scales faster than lightning weapons, this is because caster elemental scalings on faith/magic are higher, str competes with it due to the two handing property, dex doesn’t get this. so it would make faith the objectively better option, I mean it kind of already is because of incant access… Honestly his BoG and Cragblade remarks are painful to listen to. Dex is widely known as the weakest primary stat while faith amongst the strongest. (It is a fantastic stat for hybriding with caster builds because of cast speed) Not sure why it should be made even worse. Faith is a fantastic stat and is incredibly fun to play but it really doesn’t need any more or pvp is going to become very one dimensional
@@depressedpotato2847 yeah running the numbers.... faith would be broken, it would have to be at minimum a nerfed version of it and even then, faith really doesn't need it. I mean, come on, have you ever played it... it is pretty busted.
Fun and interesting, though the topic is too general to make any definitive conclusions. I am a bad player who has trouble beating the game, even with a maxed mimic. Even I have no trouble with a weapon with stormblade on it - beaten the game with both a strength weapon and a dex weapon. Long story short, Standard Damage is ridiculous under the right circumstances.
Ranking damage types from the perspective of a pure damage run is useless. Folks should instead consider the selection of damage types available to them for their build. E.g. a strength-faith build gives max damage access to holy and fire, and you can level up a strike and a pierce weapon.
I agree with everything other than the Pokey weapons having the best move sets, they are literally the most boring one dimensional move sets in the game.
It really is not doe. The game has things you can choose not to do and things you have to do to compleate it, and it just happens that almost everything you have to do is resistent against Holy, while everything that holy damage is good against is optional.
Amigo, te equivocas y mucho. El mayor daño, lo producen por números, las armas contundentes, tipo: Giant Crusher ( el mejor daño de TODO el juego, te lo digo en inglés. The best damage in all game) GreatSword, Club, Great Club, Maces etc... With ash of war Crageblade. El daño de arma melee, contundentes, que no tengan filo, és por números el mejor daño del juego, y TODOS lo enemigos son vulnerables, a TODOS lo enemigos y jefes, les puedes hacer Stun.
holy damage being 8th or fire being 6th is ridiculous...Golden land trivializes like any part of the game excluding radabeast and fortisax (yes it trivializes pvp as well), (prior to this there are better holy options.... that last till mid game) and fire is objectively top 2 damage types due to multipliers in damage.... This has me questioning did you actually play this game with more than one stat? your constant insistence that lightning should have a flame equivalence is just pathetic.. since you have electrify armament... It literally already exists... and is actually better. stop trying to take away from other stats... especially dex... faith doesn't need anymore....stop insisting it dies... if anything try purposing a talisman that works with both or flat out purpose a nerf on faith because faith is just too broken... Your rhetoric is thinner than tissue paper. This video was not only sad to watch but outright wrong... Do better Youwy.. you always have done a good, just stop letting your biases leak into your videos...
If you disagree with how I rank them then that's fine but what information is wrong about this video? And lighting art infusion would be good if I wanted to powerstance weapons. You can't put electrify armament on both hands. Also the gameplay is proof that I actually play through the game using multiple builds so idk why you think I am bias. My first playthrough was with a holy build and the start of my channel was based on faith content so clearly it is my preferred stat. Also only pointing towards golden land for the reason that holy is good is just stupid. Every damage type has good options which is what I stated. The way I was ranking these types was based on what options are available and what the resistances are. So holy got at the bottom because the spell options are the worst and that far more enemies/bosses are resistant to holy more so than any other type. If you take away the ranking side of the video and just look at all the information I shared you wouldn't have a problem with it. But because your favorite damage types got lower on the list you got upset. Sounds like you're being the bias one
@@youwy Sorry for if I came out a bit negative. I totally agree with electrify armament issue that you brought up, power stancing would have been awesome, it is silly that you can't buff both, there should be means of retention or another option, possibly with a curved sword. There are however several balance elements to take into account when discussing lightning damage, faith after all is incredibly powerful. I actually have a lot of hours on this game my self and ran every build, but alot of this is personal preference.. xD (I ranked up 10 characters to min of level 150 on every build) Honestly golden lands just hits right, where placing that bad boy on a zwiehander kind of trivialized any NG cycle, you just have to wait till mid game. Honestly the only issue I have with holy damage is rada-beast and fortissax Prior to it you of course have the halo scythe, and sacred blade is actually optimal against the first two major bosses due to the option of having a infusement on your weapon. Blade knife is also a solid option with an effect on it, making it incredibly strong for later ng+ runs. These are quite more available then the lighting options outside of the dragon cult prayer book You also have areas where faith is objectively the best option, like fighting any undead including those in castle sol, and deathright bird (which are annoying) and like 50% of catacombs (albeit only the early game ones have undead) Fire Damage also has a few problems but typically it is just big stronk with a few enemies who are strong against it, mohg, fire giant and rykard are the only ones it is bad against but typically it is still worth while using on fire giant because of blasphemous blade (if you want to play easy mod xD) I do find the 40% resistance silly but it is almost justified by it's power. The spells on the other hand.... it is incredibly annoying that it is split between faith and int when you are going to want to invest into dex for casting speed, it's also annoying that dex influences casting speed, it should mind imo.... Dex having lightning is obviously a gripe you have.... while my opinion doesn't differ from yours, it would be a bad stat without it. Honestly I wished it had options unique to it's self like the crow's quills from ds3 or from blood hound's step to be unique to dex weapons. dex was done so weird in this game... (most mods that try to fix the dex/faith lighting thing just make it broken because a split scaling seal between dex/faith gives casting speed and numbers that become way too powerful, or they give dex high scaling bows, and barrage just kills everything within one use, I swear they should have kept the ds3 way of handling dex and let it scaled to 90 or made it the requirement to power stance like they did in ds2) It is also stupid how cost efficient dex is compared to faith with thunderbolt compared to honed bolt... you already played the other fromsoft games so you probably get what i am talking about
There is a note that explains why revenants are damaged by healing spells. Knowing the lore helps with your build and makes it more fun. I never get the people who play these games and couldn't give less of a crap what the story is...
Fun fact: people consume video games in different ways. Some people only need good gameplay, music and atmosphere and they’re satisfied. Others may actually need a really good story to keep them invested. Neither one is wrong as it’s all just preference. I’m a person that would get bored reading a lore tab but would gladly spend hours testing out the most random weapons/spells. These games are great because it caters towards many different types of players.
Pierce and lightning damage are the best. All the other physical negations are roughly the same. In terms of elemental damage, holy is 2nd best, followed by magic and fire is the worst.
Sorry to say, but this list is really stupid. None of the piercing weapons will ever be as good as the giant crusher. Two handing that thing can knock down 99% enemies you meet in just one of two hits followed by a crit. Especially if you use royal knight's resolve on it...Man, there's just too many things that are wrong on this list that makes me wonder if he was playing a whole different game.
