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Actually Korekiyo doesn’t really love his sister she sexually and mentally abused him causing Stockholm syndrome acting like he loves her it’s a defense mechanism to protect himself from his trauma
The danganronpa 1st class trials: Leon: I did it because she was trying to kill me. Teruteru: I did it to try to stop anything bad from happening. Kaede: I did it to try and stop this whole killing. The danganronpa 3rd class trials: Celestia: yea I did it for the money. Mikan: I got some weird thing that makes me remember my past Korekiyo: AHH MY DEAR SISTER
Honestly, I think sakura's death is the best cuz she gave up her own life to prevent anyone from killing each other and it actually worked! The students that they thought were left actually didn't kill anyone after she died
Leon:de thot attacked first Mondo:I was jealous of his Strength Celeste: *I just wanted some moneh* Sakura: *ded* Junko:She attacked my teddy bear Edit: Autocorrect actually made sakura satan
@@Thomas-ie7mu I do not know if this is supposed to sound rude or not, but it is very offensive, and there are people who take it literally. I have no idea why. 😂
@Cruthadair yea i agree, the lolita trope is a bit overplayed. And I'm really disappointed that the game didnt subvert the trope that she was based off of unlike what they did with other characters.
Korekiyo and Mikan are abused characters, so that's why they acted the way they did. Not justifying murder, but their reasons are not useless and meaningless. Mikan was always abused, including in the game, so the only glimpse of love she had was from Junko, which Junko took advantage of her weak state of mind. Only having Junko made her do everything to please her and still be loved since she was the only one Mikan had. About Korekiyo, his sister abused him, both sexual and psychologically (we can observe that in the game at the end of his trial), so it's understandable that he lost some of his senses and continued to live after his sister even when she died. My point here is to say that they're more than just "double murderers", unlike Celeste (which I also don't belive it's a bad motive, but it's different from the two in question), they weren't actually the one's in control of their state of mind, even after everything, that's how trauma works. Ps: Unlike Mikan, Korekiyo only killed Angie because she saw him organazing the seesaw method and she would've exposed him in the trial. Ps2: Mikan was brainwashed, just like everyone else (except from Chiaki), so that made her even more vunerable to Junko's trick.
@@roromi9843 true, but unfortunately, that abuse made him grow into who he was. Mikan, on the other hand, was brainwashed into becoming a Despair. When situational circumstance comes into play, it's usually up to one's personal morals to decide what's right, and I believe Mikan would have been more forgivable than Kiyo.
Feran Sancio personally, I’d rank Mikan above Kiyo because at no point did she intend to kill two people. Hiyoko just had the misfortune of walking in at the absolute worst moment and Mikan didn’t have any other option. Angie did the same thing, but Kiyo still went through with the ritual murder and he would’ve probably escaped if he had just stuck to Angie
I have to argue the Celeste case. Her motive is actually two fold, she wanted to escape+the money. Her flaw was killing Hifumi AND Taka. If she had killed Hifumi only, she could have easily pinned it on Taka. Like most murder cases, the harder you try to cover something up, the more likely you are to miss something. Simple murders, say stab and walk away are a lot harder to solve. Celeste was trying too hard and could have killed just Hifumi and gotten away with it, and got a lot less hate for it.
keeping hifumi alive for as long as she did was her real downfall, also having hifumi involved at all was stupid (sorry babey celeste please forgive me) if i were her i would use someone stupid, but not THAT stupid... maybe hina
You do realize that everyone recognizes that part of Celeste's motice was to escape, yes? That's a base line assumption. Even Teruteru, who had a noble reason to cause a murder, still admitted that a reason he went through with it and didn't tell everyone was because he wanted to escape. What business would Celeste have with money if she was still trapped? Escaping is part of the rules. I don't buy it as some two for one motive.
I think if she had killed Weed man instead of Taka it would’ve been different as taka had the whole personality switch and it might’ve affected his memories, also he probably would’ve been fine as he wanted to see Mondo again
I am majestic i think i’d rather have hiro die and keep taka alive, it’d make a lot more fans happy and keep someone more valid alive. then again they dont care about usefulness to the world
that's because while the video concept is good, the actual video itself is poorly made and not thought out very well. the creator doesn't understand the motives, used stock photos for every other word, and didn't even edit out the part they messed up (and instead chose to edit over it?)
@@ranpo_edogawa I was chill? you're the one using caps and putting words in my mouth so you can desperately prove a point that makes no sense. why don't you @ everyone in the comments section who has said similar things?
But Mikan was brainwashed into falling for Junko. She had little control over her actions because her mind was broken by Junko. That’s why I believe she’s more justified over Kiyo since he knew exactly what he was doing and aware of his actions.
Madison Spinner his sister was more controlling and abusive to Kiyo imo. Junko literally broke Mikan’s mind and her morality was completely inverted. I do honestly feel bad for Kiyo but then again he killed women because he THOUGHT it would be a good thing for his sister, but she hated him for it
@Kimono Gremlin I resonate with your statement so much but I also love Mikan cause she just wanted friends smh, she just happened to remember her past and do that ;-; I still hate her for killing two of my fav characters tho
Technically Kiyo is the same cause he was also brainwashed by the creators into believing that he had a sister that he had a thing with and was a serial killer and never learned the truth...
Potter Pusheen can Gacha! I wheezed when I saw this comment. I was just imagining she was probably thinking, “If you really kill me, can you bury me with the money please?”
Hot take, but I believe Celeste 100% lied about her true motive for killing, I mean, she is the Queen of Liars after all, and even Makoto can tell that Celeste was lying at the end. She also outright says that she didn’t kill for the money, but rather to fulfill her dream, the money was just a plus. I believe as time went on, Celeste had gotten more and more scared as time went on and was losing grip on her own sanity. So yeah.
My theory is that she came from a rather poor family. Whenever the game brought up her background, she refused to let anyone know about it even more than anything else. She hid her true name due to it being one of "a loser"; she lied about her background a bit more than was believable; she judged others that looked to clearly be lower in status very harshly; her "well-bred" persona was not genuine -- her temper against Hifumi after he didn't make her tea at the standard that she required it was highly undignified (it was a small little thing, showing that she was strict at playing in her created world to the letter); her supposed motive to live in a Castle of Vampires was highly associated with her persona -- that being her only motive would ruin the duality of her fictional self and true self; she died a common death (a car accident) only seconds after her Burning of the Versailles Witch execution (for her persona) had been set upon her to burn her alive (to symbolise that her creative, out-of-the-box plans blew up in her face . . . or rather, came back to kill her with her own fire); and finally, her true speech pattern and sound was informal, slightly gruff, and foulmouthed.
Also probably since that sort of motive might appear more suitable for the persona she had fabricated for herself as Taeko. She was trying to have this character of Celestia appear refined and sophisticated, but still quite shallow. Just my guess.
no celestia didn’t kill for her “aesthetic” she killed to leave the killing game, she just found two people who happened to shared a common weakness and decided to exploit it when she could, like she said said she wanted to escape more then anyone, i don’t think you really gave her enough credit, the money thing was just a plus to her but not her motive to kill
She outright says (well atleast in the anime) that she wanted the money. "When Monokuma brought out the money all I could think was 'Jackpot'" It was the greed that was her motive.
Celeste was steressed about being stuck in a killing came and consistently having to use her persona. Meanwhile Kiyo literally didnt give a shit about any of this. It was a trip to the grocery store for him.
I'll argue the Celeste motive on this one. Almost every blackened wants to escape that's why they become blackened. The added motives are extra motivation to keep the game on a schedule. Celeste hated the game, she hated being trapped and most of all she hated not having any control over the situation being forced to play along. So in order to regain some control of the game she proposed the extra night time rule and urged everyone to calmly adapt to the situation instead of panicing. All this is done to remove a lot of unpredictable elements from the game which could endanger her. She is vindicated on this multiple times, Leon breaking 'curfew' enabling Sayaka's plot, Mukuro breaking the rules resulting in her death, Chihiro breaking 'curfew' resulting in his death, Byakuya breaking the curfew complicates the trial. It's clear at this point that the others aren't really listening to her, she can't control them enough to stay safe within the game and so the only way to get on the "safe" side is to escape. The money "motive" isn't a motive as much as just a bonus. No, the real motive was Celestia's lack of control over the game, the catalyst of the case was Alter Ego, more specifically the conflict it causes between Ishimaru and Hifumi. Seeing a conflict that she could control Celestia jumped on the oppurtunity immediately to escape with her life and all the extra cash she needs to fulfill her admittedly vain dream. Problem is, with the rules as they are she can't just pour fuel on the conflict until one ends up dead as that would make either Hifumi or Ishimaru the blackened and if they were to point out her part in the case, she would be in a very vulnerable position for remainder of the game. She has to be the one getting her hands dirty and in order to avoid suspicion she needs a scapegoat, the conflicting parties both need to die, she won't make the same mistake Maizono made by framing someone who so easily could expose her as the culprit. She can't kill them both on her own so she orders Hifumi to kill Ishimaru by tricking him into thinking they're both getting out with Alter Ego through some percieved loophole. Being a controlfreak is Celestia's mayor character flaw, it's highlighted with Hifumi and contrasted by Yasuhiro, the bum who shares her name is a manifestation of everything she wanted to avoid being by becoming Celestia Ludenberg. The reason why Celestia was so obviously guilty was because she was too focused on controlling a killing game where she had been proven to have none. Even her execution shows this as Monokuma merely indulged her wish in order to deny her a graceful death at the last moment. The third chapter was the unravelling of Celestia Ludenberg in an enviroment where that domineering persona couldn't survive.
my favorite is gunhdam because he wanted to make everyone else eat when they were in the fun house thoughh i remember on a free time event he said he was a mix between a devil and angel i think and his dad as the devil because he abused him and his mom while his mom was the angel who did horribly cooking put gunhdam still ate her food .(lord im about to cry)
Oki one question about gundam what was the motive for him killing everyones like he sacrificed himself but why how was sacrificing himself gonna Improve anything
@@roisinhogan2566 all i know is that the motive was if anyone didn't kill they wouldn't eat and would starve there since anyone wasn't doing anything gunhdam stepped up and choose nekomaru i forgot what he said about choosing nekomaru for though (he wanted to be caught as the culprit but didn't admit it)
@@M1STA__ I can't remember exactly either, but both were in the same boat when it came to having a strong desire to save the others. He "said" that his existence was appalling I think, but I believe he targeted Nekomaru because the man would fight back at least.
@@roisinhogan2566 they were Trapped in the fun house and they didn't have food, but if someone killed other person they will be let out, so Ghundam did it to safe the others, it was something like that
18:20 I agree with the point that he was acting more unnatural, but I don't think he'd actaully hurt someone then and ESPECIALLY wouldn't if it was a girl. Mondo was always against the idea of laying hands on a girl, and sure wouldn't want Ishimaru doing that. Even if he was in a new form as "Kiyondo", he would have still known that Mondo would never want him doing that. When Celestia claimed that Ishimaru messed with her, I feel like something should had clicked in his mind that it didn't exactly match up.
You do make a good point, but think about it in Hifumi's perspective. Hifumi doesn't really know all that much about Taka or Mondo. He just kinda sees them as "School Guy" and "Angry Guy." So when "School Guy" starts acting angry and talking about how he's like "Angry Guy," Hifumi's gonna assume he's gonna do violent things, becuase that's kind of the general impression that Mondo gives to others, even if it's not true. Also, because of Taka's mental state, he's sort of unpredictable at this point. Sure, it might not be likely that he'd hurt Celeste, but the positibility IS there, especially if it related to Alter Ego: the only thing that is keeping Taka somewhat sane. Also, Hifumi highly trusts Celeste, so even if something did seem off to him, which I doubt, he would most likely have the benefit of the doubt and believe her anyway since, to him, why would she lie about this?
@@Wince_Media I do see you're point there, Hifumi wouldn't pay too much attention to those small details such as that because well, it's *Hifumi* we are talking about. On the other hand, I stand with you on a lot of points here. I look forward to your next video acatully.
Just a small correction: Mikan and Korekiyo committed double murder only because the other victim was unfortunate enough to walk in during the murder or the murder preparation. Not because they simply wanted to kill as many people as possible.
I dislike Celestia, BUT I’m certain that with that level of desperation to escape, her true motives had nothing to do with the money. Especially given her status as “The Queen of Liars”, she could have easily bullshitted all the European castle crap. Maybe she just took advantage of the money motive because she saw it as a bonus. You never know, she could have been plotting since chapter one, but got her plans cut short after Sayaka took the plunge and ended up dead.
Part of the reason she was desperate to escape, was that she was genuinely scared, but another part of it is because she didn't want to give up on her dream. She'd have enough money to make that dream a reality. I actually think her rather lavish dream connects to her identity crisis, so I don't believe she was lying on that part
Honestly it's hard to think of Gonta as such a low character because his choices are flawed, but he was never the smartest in the first place. He was very gullible when it comes to Kokichi's lies he literally always believed them. So yeah flawed motive, but still feel bad for him
Literally dumbass Shuichi went to solve that entire case too because... Monokuma told him to....? I never could understand that until I remembered his own complex feelings about whag happened when he solved his first case. Maybe this was him coping with the pain of his past, and committing to find the truth even if it brings pain and suffering to those exposed. I thought it was a pretty cool level of determination of his character, but still, Shuichi ended up indirectly killing Kaito for it.
@@The69thfret I take it that you either haven't finished the game, stan Kaito, or just don't understand his character. Because if he didn't want to help people, he A. Wouldn't have cried during Gonta's trial, OR LITERALLY SAYING HE WOULD LET HIMSELF BE EXECUTED TOO, B. Helped during the trials, C. Told Himiko to cry to make her feel better, or D. SACRIFICED HIMSELF UNDER A HYDRAULIC PRESS TO SAVE PEOPLE WHO H A T E D HIM. This is just my interpretation, and I'm not even a kinnie. He's a very complex character, and he isn't the person he lied about being.
Ok I feel the need to defend Celeste here: Her choice of a double murder was very in tune for her personality. I should remind everybody that Celeste didn't kill Taka, Hifumi did (albeit she is still responsible for both of their deaths). Celeste didn't have a double murder just for the sake of it, she did it so that she would be able to execute an elaborate plan. Celeste was always someone of high intellect and extraness and that reflected on her murder plan. Anything she did, she did to an elaborate degree. The game set an example to this when Celeste demanded Hifumi to brew her milk tea in a specific way. Compared to Mondo and Leon's murders, which happened in the moment, Celeste's was definitely more thought out. A double murder had never happened before and she used that as her opportunity to be unique from the rest. Looking into the later games, Mikan and Kiyo committed double murders by sheer luck. They only intended to kill one person but they were caught in the act (by Hiyoko and Angie respectively) and had to kill said person to remove any loose ends. Celeste killed Hifumi for the same reason. Celeste killed Hifumi to remove any loose ends to her plan as the accomplice was the most likely one to betray her. However, unlike the other two, killing Hifumi was her objective all along once again showing her calculated nature. Though the reason she committed murder was greed, the reason she chose two targets was to be remain on top and stand out from the rest.
I'd say Shinguuji's double murder wasn't luck because Yonaga "caught" him before he killed Chabashira. If hadn't killed her with the seance, they might not even have found the clue which led them to him being Yonaga's killer.
i cried when i found out the motive for hiyokos murder because it was just so sad, shed already lost mahiru, who was the only one who could help her tie her kimono and then the only floor length mirror is coincidentally in the venue where mikan is killing ibuki, like that is literally the definition of wrong place, wrong time
I think you misunderstood the mikan trial. Mikan states she knows she did a bad thing but she did it because it’s something junko likes. She dident do it cause it made her feel good, mikan even in despair form is not a self serving person. Both despair and normal mikan do things for others, despair mikan did it entirely for junko, not because it was something mikan would want to do regardless. But all that aside i never understood why mikan gets singled out for being ultimate despair, sure out of all of the kids, you only see despair mikan, but their ALL despair. It Dident matter who got the memory disease, anyone who got the disease would have gone crazy and killed, its silly to single mikan out when their all that way. Plus Mikans trial was not meant to be tragic or sad really, mikans trial is a foreshadow murder. When you go back and watch her trial it oozes late game spoilers/hints.if your attentive enough then you can figure out the plot twist right then and there. It’s not a conventional trial, but it’s more than just “mikan be crazy” so In that sense I think the trial was better than you made it out to be. I think your mixing up justifiable with sympathetic. To justify is to declare something right or reasonable. Something reasonable is something that makes sense, if you touch lava, then your hand burns. That’s a reasonable set of events. So mikan who was brainwashed and manipulated by junko, its reasonable to see why the murder took place. Not to mention it’s not like the murder was committed by a crazy person who did it of their own free will, like I said, Mikan was manipulated and brainwashed by junko, whatever state mikan was in after that was not the real mikan nor was she able to process things normally, and be conscious of it. As Brainwashing is such a thing we’re you don’t realize it’s happened. So regular mikan would never do such a thing, if you need to be brainwashed to kill someone then it’s not like you made the purpose decision to commit murder with a clear mind, it’s not crazy to justify murder if the murderer in question was brainwashed and not in their normal state of mind.
@@themoonisreallycool It's not justifiable. It's reasonable, but not justifiable. There's a difference. Mikan is one of my favorite characters, but it's still fucked up what she did.
I do not think that mikan do that because Junko Likes... I think that she do that because she think that "Izuru" would like that... I really think that her despair is because Izuru and not Junko. (think about the bed scene)
A part from Gonta's that I'm pretty sure the game mentioned, is that Kokichi told him that in all likelyhood, Miu was intending to kill someone, going as far as betting she would go after himself. Gonta, despite knowing Kokichi's way, still saw good in him and wanted to be friends with him. He also chose to commit the murder on the basis of living life alone after it was all done or to straight up commit suicide afterwards. Above everything, his warped sense of doing what's right for others is what drove him to kill.
@@tomgibson6801 It's hard to be sympathetic when you actually think about it. He tried to kill the daughter of basically his adopted dad without ever trying to fix things another way. He just tried to drop an anvil on this kid, and that's pretty fucked up. Yogi and Mimi were way better written. As for the case 3 dilemma, I think it has a lot to do with being smack dab in the middle of the game. In Ace Attorney, case 1 usually introduces the main threat and mechanics, case 2 gives you many supporting characters and introduces you to the world, case 4 and 5 are where you solve the threat. Case 3 is often where the game takes a break from the main events to tell it's own contained stories. In Danganronpa, case 1 has a big twist but is a very simple to introduce you to everyone, case 2 is also beginner friendly but adds a bit of confusing elements and a strong theme, case 4 and 5 is where things start to bubble towards the climax. Case 3 is just there for the writers to go all out on the insanity and shorten the cast of characters.
@@tomgibson6801 Let's be fair. The third case in Spirit of Justice had a really good motive for why the culprit did what they did. Arguably one of the best in the entire series.
4:30 This is canonically incorrect for two reasons 1) Mikan didn't want to "kill as many people as possible." Her target was Ibuki and only Ibuki. She had to kill Hiyoko because she was a witness. 2) From what I understand, there wasn't a kill cap in V3, so the "maximum amount of deaths is two" graphic has no justification in Kiyo's case.
Yep, I just played that case. Kokichi got angry at Shuichi lying about checking on him in the mansion and not seeing him where was supposed to be, so Kokichi revealed the truth.
I’m a big fan of case 4 in V3 but I feel like the motive would have been so much better if it was Kokichi convincing Gonta to kill Miu so Gonta could protect Kokichi. This seems very in character for both and honestly I headcanon that this was related to his motive.
Notice how in every trial 3 it's always the hated and loved killed Edit : What I mean by this is that There’s a Fan favourite that gets killed then there’s a character that majority of the fandom hates that also gets killed
the importance of Trial 3 is just to eliminate comedic relief characters that are still alive. Though its important to decrease the size of the group to emphasize the isolation the kids are facing, that's sort of a double edge sword because the rules of the killing game don't encourage multiple murders so the trials and their killers end up seeming ridiculous or unnecessary.
Ginger Cat Hiyoko= Hated, Ibuki = loved,, Tenko= loved,, Angie= hated, they mean that the chapter 3 victims were always a hated character, and a loved one
In Celeste’s defence, I don’t think her motive as as breaking in character as implied. She DOES have a pretty good grasp on what’s right and wrong, but she just doesn’t really care. I think out of all the killers in game 1, she is the least sorry, and as weird and as teeth-itching her motive is, knowing what type of character she’s built up to be, I wouldn’t put it past her.
For me it was more of a steady improvement. I absolutely dislike Celeste, my opinion on Mikan is indifferent to be honest and Kiyo is my favourite character. Yeah.
I hated all the case 3 trials because of how bad the motives were, and especially the one in V3 because they introduced the new school rule, making me think there were two killers and it turns out to be the same fucking person, I actually wanted him to live. Buuuut we all knew he wasn't gonna make it cause of his design at first sight huh
Also I feel like V3 case 3 had the worst killing methods. So you're telling me Korekiyo was singing and walking all over the place, jumping on a s e e s a w in the dark and his voice was even the whole time. Also it's so complicated that it makes it too obvious who was the culprit, literally if he settled for just Angie, it would have been way harder for us to solve the murder.
Hey, say what you want, but I've enjoyed Celestia throughout the game, and I could say her motive kind of matches her personality. She's quite material, pragmatic amd cold, why should she then care about everyone else's life. Kind of like Byakuya, but not as classy. Plus, the motive being so ridiculous that it's stupid for me shows how much she cares about her colleagues, I mean 'I don't mind them dying, might as well get something out if it, what the heck'
It's unknown whether celeste did the murder for the aesthetic, her skill of lying keeps her aesthetic but it's never stated that she truly did it for aesthetic or if she ever wanted a castle in the first place. It's not even known if she did the murder for money.
mikan’s motive makes more sense when you watch the anime, because **spoilers** mikan gets brainwashed by junko into killing them. Still, that’s just bad writing on the game Writers part as they should’ve explained it more.
Kiyotaka didn't deserve it. It would've been easier to kill Hifumi and blame it on Taka because of them having a argument about Alter Ego, but she left something behind, like her finger ring thing.
Kiyotaka was one of my favorite characters in the series and although Hifumi was manipulated he should've seen through Celeste's lies but he was a freaking moron who killed Taka and I hate him for it.
Seriously, by killing off Kiyotaka, his ENTIRE mental breakdown in the previous trial and attempt at changing himself lost their purpose and significance. Like, bruh.
Exaactly. Taka really did deserve to finish his arc. Just like Hiyoko they had arcs that were completely wasted since they died literally the same chapter as their arc. I would've loved to see Takas journey into being at least emotionally okay after mondos death, hell kill him off last if you didnt want him on the survivor cast, but my man didn't deserve to be killed by fucking *HIFUMI*
Danganronpa writers be like: “ok boys let’s spin a wheel to see who lives or dies and kill off any character it lands on regardless if that character is going through any form of character development”
Celeste's primary motive was to escape, which is something she admits she's wanted this entire time, contrary to her attempts to preach "adapting" to their new life. The money was more of a bonus, the icing on the cake. She was always planning to kill, but the cash was extra incentive. Also kork had an incredible motive precisely because of how disconnected it was from everything that was happening.
I- she literally lied about him sexually assaulting her tho for no reason like sorry if im wrong but that dont come across as sympathetic. She’s definitely more of a selfish character imo.
not to justify Hifumi cause Taka was my fav character, but something that I noticed is that in the flashback between celeste and Hifumi is that when celeste is talking to Hifumi she tells him that Taka RAP3D her and took pictures of her, if you pay attention the moment, Hifumi gets extremely pissed at this and I think tat this is also one of the motives, he thought the Taka had done something terrible to celeste and in some sort fo way he wanted to avenge her, even though this was kind of a secondary motive it is still there, I just wanted to say it because some people get really mad at Hifumi and say that he only killed Taka because of alter ego which is extremely stupid and he obviously wouldn't kill for that reason only, even tough he was yes thinking about alter ego along with other things, he was deeply manipulated by celeste and he believed in her plan of leaving the school, there's also the reason that you mentioned that is celeste told Hifumi Taka was going to kill him which is also one of the motives
Also worth noting that Celeste manipulated Hifumi into believing Taka would try to kill him as well, so he might also have seen it as a bit of self defense.
I THOUGHT HE JUST ASSAULTED HER edit: his talent is that he has the “super high school level moral compass”. you’re supposed to know right from wrong. that’s the point of a MORAL COMPASS
16:22 EXCUSE ME?? How DARE you use Gundham's blackened sprite for Hifumi?? This is UNACCEPTABLE, _HINATA!!_ THE WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING STILL *REEKS* OF _LAMB,_ *_HINATA-_*
Me getting excited for the video: *Sees Celeste at the bottom* Aight, imma head out. Ironically, for all that's worth, the motive of $$$ and to GTFO the academy and live out in a castle after spending your life lying through everything and gamble to get the money was the most *relatable* one. And Celeste had the most realistic and thoughtful motive and murder plan. Like, seriously, who would remember that she actually said "Those guyS" and the fact that without taking a photo of the scene, they'd be like "YOU KNOW WHAT WAS DIFFERENT? THE GLASSES, he was alive!" As her fatal blow (other than the E-book) Mikan and Kiyo killed more than one victim because they WITNESS the plan/murder in action, not that they were trying to get Hiyoko and Angie killed in the first place. For Celeste, it was to confuse everyone with the double layer of murders, she didn't commit both murders, she manipulated Hifumi to commit 1, and in all honesty, *if* her plan to kill Hifumi fail, it still wasn't her who did it to Taka thus she will not get convicted and to me, that is absolutely brilliant. Edit: I realized I wasnt making sense in some sentence lol, I typed this when I just woke up haha sorry.
@@charlottesocool to be fair, the video was wrong abt her and to many, she was either a dear character or the way she plotted her case was an eye-opener to them. It left and impact and to hear someone talk big abt listing top 10 motive only to not understand her character and blatantly just puts her in the bottom is disrespecting the fans and franchise as a whole. Am I too serious? Yes. I'm sorry, I just love the series too much 😰
Celeste tried way too hard. Even when I first played that case, during the investigation part I was like "uh surely you aren’t the one behind all of this right?" It was too obvious.
@Flariz ikr I if Celeste acted cool and collected like usual instead of screaming all the time and yelling that everyone was going to die maybe she’d be more believable. But even then she was the only living one to see the killer the entire time.
@@charlottesocool Because the video is flat-out wrong in its assumption about her motive. Celeste, Queen of LIARS, said she killed for the goth aesthetic, and the video maker just believes her without asking "what if that's a LIE?" Everything about Celeste is a lie; you gotta look deeper to see Taeko Yasuhiro and what she wants.
NEWS ABOUT PART 2: Good news! I am almost done with part 2. All I need to do is to create the video slot for number 1 and the ending. Usually this will mean that it will be done in about 2 days, but unfortunately, I have finals this week. This means that I have to focus all of my attention on studying and none of my attention on making the video. Expect it to come out next week. After that, I will probably take a break from making videos for a bit, but I have a lot of video ideas in the works, and the script for my next video is complete. I'm really happy you guys are liking my video, and expect to see more videos like this from the Wince Media channel.
GL on the finals, they can be a sucker. Also, Peko declaring herself Fuyuhiko's "tool" is the best thing she could have done for him. There's no reason for him to get angry at her. It was a good plan, but the execution was off.
Imma defend Mikan since y'know, I love her. Anyways, I'd say that Mikan's motive should probably stay at the same place however I want to get this out of the way since a lot of people misunderstand. I see why Mikan killed to cause despair, it's because she felt like Junko was the only one who cared for her in her life. She's never had anyone to give her an ounce of affection and even though Junko's affection was abusive, she had nothing else to compare it to. Once you have someone as precious as that, you'd do anything for them. That's why Junko took advantage of this fact. Since it's easy to manipulate and corrupt someone who is pretty much already broken. Anyways, I just wanted to get that out of the way since it's always bugging me. Though, I'm believe it could've stayed at the same spot or maybe even switch places with Korekiyo.
i like to believe that Kiyo had a mental illness or something and that the sister persona was just one of his delusions or split personalities. Danganronpa never used magic as an explanation to its mystery before so the idea that he had his sister possess him seems unlikely. Abuse can have a dramatic impact on people with mental ailments so yea i think it's plausible.
@@james-l1t yeah, i think that's probably the case seeing as the rest of the cast aren't like "holy shit guys he turned into a ghost ghosts are 100% real!" when he gets executed, they just treat it like any of the others.
@@james-l1t Maybe it was more of a placebo effect? Kiyo does seem to believe in seances and spirits, and since he has a case of Stockholm Syndrome he probably just wanted ways to stay close to his sister
@@james-l1t And I don't think he had split personalities like Toko, since Toko and Genocide Jack don't share memories. I think he's just crazy fr. I don't think there's ghosts in DR, not considering that one scene in despaire girls
This is not a kind of video that I've seen before, the topic's very interesting and I look forward to Part 2. It's actually quite impressive that you are able to look at the motive in particular and consider it separately from the other aspects, such as how sympathetic the murderer is, not a lot of people can be this objective when it comes to these things. (Also I have a lot of respect for you doing the research on the different "types" of murder.) For example, I was expecting for either Oowada to be high on the list or to be very annoyed at his placement. But you actually explained really well why he deserved to be that low on the list and it's breaking my heart. I wanted to try and "justify" it by saying he had to keep his gang together with the secrets motive and all, but at the end of the day that isn't why he killed him. Actually, Fujisaki's death is probably more tragic because of how unjustified it is. Shirogane should probably be slightly higher on the list? I believe she had slightly more reason to kill Amami than Enoshima for killing Ikusaba. The time limit was about to run out and if she hadn't killed him, nobody would have died and then everyone else could have been killed and the killing game would be over. Of course, ensuring the killing game continues is far from a "good" reason, but it is a slightly more "justifiable" reason, maybe? You have them at the same spot anyway and it's really on the smallest of reasons. Just to clarify, is Komaeda's placement on the list for killing himself, or for the attempted murder of the other 5 students?
Thank you very much Edit: Yeah, Tsumugi should be higher than junko on the list looking back at it. Especially since another part of Junko's motive is just...bad. But that's why I put the slot as 15/14. I can just say that Junko is 15 and Tsumugi is 14 now.
Wince Media oh I know, I wrote this after watching the video, I’m just saying when it first came up I was like ‘hold on what?’ 😂 still surprised that Kirkumi isn’t in that spot though 😂
@@Wince_Media you we're totally right about peko initially tho, when fuyuhiko was saying what he did about killing mahiru in his sister's stead he was only playing along with what peko wanted to do to get him out of there, when he got there he wanted to talk to her not kill her, it's peko who planned and set up the whole thing because she wanted to get fuyuhiko out of there, he did not 'call upon her to kill her for him' like peko said, his reaction after the murder was literally 'what the hell did you do?'. At the end of the trial he couldn't lie and peko herself said that it was a mistake, if he did have the intent to kill her he would have been ready to sacrifice everyone afterwards, but he didn't want to.
Patate is love, patate is life. The motive itself is OUT THERE which is the context why i said it, the same as junko and tsumugi’s motive. Under the context that she believed she was savings everyone as the president no, it’s not a dumb motive so I’m wrong in the context but the idea of a high school kid being the president is a bit bonkers. And yes I do agree, the choice is rational in the sense that most people would choose to save thousands of people at the expense of 16 people.
@@nocsiou i think it's because fuyuhiko WAS going to kill her though, fuyuhiko was explaining truthfully what happened but peko cut him off on his explanation. he hid the metal bat and said he didn't want to go through with it initially but what mahiru said aggravated him, that's when peko stepped in, she thought he wanted her dead from the beginning but didn't want him to become the blackened
there where some theories that Kiyo in V3 was a psycho a long time ago her sister was not seriously IN to him but in death she wanted someone to love which she didn't have a chance since she is already dying, she chosed Kiyo to love him very much but AS a brother NOT a lover, but since Kiyo was already in a mental state cause of his sister dying he taught that she loved him than just his sister some said that their relationship was forced by her like the act of making Kiyo his one and only loving brother but I just saw it on a vid
To add the the abuse and manipulation thing, in the trial whenever his 'sister' talks she always sounds forceful and controlling of Korekiyo, not to mention she very likely would have been an adult at the point the game took place, considering Korekiyo was 19, meaning the Korekiyo she would have been able to manipulate would have either been a older child or a younger teen, in other words, extremely impressionable, especially if it was someone he looked up to like he looked up to his sister, and without parents there would have been no one to help him realize that this was wrong when the only family he had in his life was telling him that this was good
Wait, Fuyuhiko didn't plan to murder Mahiru though? He just got very angry at her, that message you showed was Fuyuhiko talking about Girl E, AKA Sato, and that he killed *her,* right?
no he did plan to murder her, he didn't want to in the first place but when they got to the beach house to talk mahiru gets angry and says that he didn't had to right to kill the girl, Fuyuhiko gets extremely pissed and forgot about giving mahiru a second chance and not murdering he right away, but before he could Peko does it first
Wowie Zowie He was probably not going to go through with it though. He said it himself that he was looking for an excuse not to go through it. But then when he heard Mahirius response, he just snapped. I honestly don’t think Fuyu would’ve been capable of killing Marihu with a bat though. He’s so small. Mahiru is prob stronger and could overpower him.
I agree completely with Mondo's placement on the list, he struck me as such an honorable guy and I felt so betrayed that he would kill someone so weak and defenseless, he clearly betrayed himself too.
this is genuinely so off topic BUT THE FORT FRANCIS MUSIC PLAYING DURING HIFUMI’S PART ABSOLUTELY KILLED ME, the actual video is so entertaining and i love this but THAT is just the cherry on top
Hey there, I really enjoyed your video and the editing's pretty good, which I wasn't I expecting from a channel like this. I hope you keep improving and I can't wait for part 2(:
My #1 motive would be Tanaka's because Food is a basic need. Once I heard that was the motive, I was like, "Oh no". Prior to this chapter, all of the motives weren't exactly something that had to result in a death. Here, something had to happen or everyone would die from a very painful death.
Curious how you got to a count of 20 motives. My count was 22, and I forgot about Tsumugi and Junko. Aside from the blackened in each case, I counted Sayaka, Maki, Miu, and Nagito as attempted murders, and Hifumi, Chiaki, and Kokichi (2x) as accomplices. Even if I remove Chiaki from the accomplices list (which was admittedly a stretch on my part), I do still seem to be counting more as murders. Which of these did you not see as eligible? Also, I am a bit curious about some of edge cases I didn’t count. 1. Was Nekomaru an attempted murderer? He did fight with Gundham to the death iirc. 2. Are the people who merely messed with the crime scene accomplices? That would implicate both Byakuya and Hina. 3. Should Nagito be counted as an accomplice in Teruteru’s case? Beyond questions about the level of involvement, would he be counted twice in the same case? Cheers!
I'm gonna add an honorable mentions list for the murders I missed. I forgot Maki though OOPS .Nekomaru would have the same clot as Gundham but I didn't add him .I didn't add Byakuya or Hina, but I should have in the HMs .I didn't think about Nagito being an accomplice... I think it somewhat makes senese but's its also kind of doesnt IDK I've already made an HM video but I guess I'll edit it
