Atlanta gets 73,000 for big games and could probably average about 60k for regular games if the upper deck wasn’t blocked of so the idea that they have too much seating is simply false
For purposes of soccer, Yankee stadium hands down the worst. Understand that its a nicer stadium than some over the other multi-use but playing soccer in a baseball stadium is a joke. Field is super narrow
Ranking Charlotte, Atlanta, and Seattle so low is shocking. Atlanta and Charlotte consistently get massive crowds, and Lumen Field is one of the best atmospheres in the league. All of these are wayyyy clear of trash like Dicks Sporting Goods Park...
It is all about clicks. I doubt he has been to any of the stadiums, and the fact that BC Place ranks so high being a "soccer-only stadium" (because the CFL does not count) and it is older than Charlotte, Seattle, or Atlanta's multi-purpose stadiums with much worse amenities, I'd rank those 4 stadiums Atlanta, Seattle (both built with soccer-specific lower bowls), Charlotte and finally Vancouver.
He’s obviously never been to Charlotte. Sure it’s not new and flashy, but it’s a decent stadium with everything an mls team could need plus you can’t really get a bad seat anywhere
He is ranking the stadiums not the crowds. It's not crazy to think that a modern soccer specific stadium is better than an aging NFL stadium never designed with soccer in mind. This is saying nothing about the atmosphere/crowd (as obviously Seattle, atl, and Charlotte all draw well)
Ridiculously obvious you haven’t actually been to the vast majority of these stadiums for an MLS match. You should probably rename this piece “I rate my favourite pictures of stadiums.”
Agreed, he really needs to take 2 seconds to say "home of the such and such soccer team" after saying the stadium name. Googling stadium names to figure out where the heck it is gets annoying.
Minnesota used to have the worse stadium setup with the Metrodome and the Met Center. Excel Energy Center, Target Field, US Bank Stadium, and now Allianz Field give the Twin Cities some of the best premium experiences in sports viewing.
BC Place is multipurpose and it is not soccer only. It’s primary tenant is it’s original occupant, the CFL’s BC Lions. Since they moved in in 1983. Pretty awesome dome since the massive renovation in 2012.
@@raulrojas4033 The Revs are a loss leader for Kraft, it fills stadium dates and drives traffic to the shops and restaurants (Patriot Place) around the stadium during Pats offseason. Also gets Kraft bookings for international friendlies and tournaments like the World Cup.
Gillette Stadium is without any doubt the worst in MLS. Maybe Bank of America/Soldier Field is comparable, don’t know cuz I never went there, but I can testify firsthand that Gillette is a horrible place for soccer😢
The Chicago Fire originally played at Soldier Field, but they built their own 20K seat stadium in 2006 and played their until 2019. They must have moved back to Soldier Field for the capacity. Once the Bears move out, maybe they'll do another major renovation to Soldier Field for the Fire.
and the fact the stadium was located all the way out in Bridgeview which is 40 minutes from Downtown Chicago & public transportation to it was non existent, which made it difficult for fans to come to games.
@@chrisguardiano6143SeatGeek Stadium in Bridgeview where the Fire used to play is the home of the NWSL's Red Stars, but they also struggle with attendance at that location.
Fire FC II play their MLS Next Pro games there as well, and they too struggle to get crowds in the triple digits. It's a beautiful field, though- easily the best looking one in MLS Next Pro.
They didn’t move back because they needed capacity. They moved back because no one liked to drive to the suburbs to watch the Fire. They hoped by moving back into the heart of the city they would grow their very small fan base.
Another major problem: the Fire have been TERRIBLE as of late. A small microcosm of what’s currently going on… we signed a guy named Barlow from NYRB. Their fans are thanking us for taking him off their hands…
Seattle and Atlanta should be much higher, as both fanbases have shown the ability to sell out the full stadium on occasion. Lumen Field in particular is an incredible environment.
I don't understand why they are building MLS stadiums so small. As you said, Atlanta and Charlotte are selling much higher than the capacity of every MLS only stadium. Atlanta averaged 45,000 a game last year. I honestly don't see why they don't stay in an NFL stadium if they have the capacity to sell that many seats.
@@donkraemer50as of right now they usually only fill up if they’re good. If they’re bad than they don’t sell as much. The Philadelphia Union is 2nd but still fails to sellout sometimes
Bank of America is not the worst having been there even though it’s oversized. Atlanta and Seattle were massively underrated by you, as Atlanta’s Stadium is Beautiful and Atlanta United have top 10 average attendance in the world for Football.
United are top 50 worldwide for average attendance. Seattle used to be, until they started scheduling too many matches during the week. But pre-2020, when most of Seattle's home matches were on the weekend, they had much higher attendance and would sell out a tarp-less stadium for all Cascadia Cup matches plus against Atlanta and both LA teams.
PayPal Park is nicer than you give it credit for. The open end provides a nice view of the Diablo Mtns and planes taking off/landing at the San Jose airport and you’re looking at the LOBINA (largest outdoor bar in North America) which is always packed.
Europeans see that if they want to see a football/soccer atmosphere that they're used to but in USA, the place to go is Seattle. They seem to understand it there, and Lumen Field is a good stadium for a good atmosphere. Either there or Portland.
All of the fans that Europeans make fun of are Seattle. They give good fans (like Portland) a bad rap overseas because of how cringy and boring the seattle chants sre
I've been to Exploria Stadium before and out of all the other sports venues i've been to in the United States Exploria was by far the cleanest and just overall the nicest to be in, idk if all MLS Stadiums are like that but I thought that was cool for MLS
the cincinnati stadium is for me no.2. the design, location, and exterior lighting keeps it high. the grand staircase is great. Plus mls is looking to build a hotel plus a soccer village around the stadium. No. 1 looks great but has a small capacity. No. 2 is green? It loses to cincy on overall location and redevelopment of a historic area of town (OTR) which includes a brewery district (breweries being reworked from a Brewery district.. Besides its built on the site of an old brewery and just across the street is a Sam Adams brewery.
slick shuda put more respect on seattle and atlanta, yes they are NFL stadiums but they have passionate fanbases that occasionally sell out the entire stadium even without tarps/curtains
Atlanta and Seattle should be so much higher on this list even though they play in a NFL stadium. both in top 3 for attendance. Atlanta averages 45,000 a game and both teams have sold out the hole stadium on some occurrences
I think Atlanta should be ranked low but not for the reasons discussed. It's designed for the NFL, turf that looks like plastic, and most seats are fairly far from the field. The first games at Georgia Tech's Bobby Dodd stadium, you were much closer, the views were actually better, and it was grass. It just needed more concessions, bathrooms, and a roof.
@@johananabraham1659 That's technically true, but I would say it's more designed to accommodate soccer rather than for soccer, e.g. playing indoors on turf.
@@sgmctague I see where you're coming from, but the turf is only there for sustainability purposes. Grass would be very hard to maintain with two teams playing on it at the same time, sometimes on consecutive days. I really wish it was grass, tho
I was just looking at attendance stats. Some of the teams that play in NFL stadiums pull huge crowds. Atlanta averaged over 45,000 and Charlotte averaged over 35,000, Seattle almost 32,000 per game last year. Why do they build the new stadiums around the 20,000 range? Many other teams average almost full capacity each game.
My theory is they're trying to be at a place where the demand for in person viewing regularly exceeds supply, in an effort to get more people watching on TV. MLS still struggles with those numbers. I do also think that some of these soccer specific stadia are built with the national team in mind. Against a lot of opponents, the USMNT could play in front of 70,000 people- as long as they don't mind that 40 to 50 thousand of them are cheering against them. Supporter culture for the national team is in a place right now where 20k or so is a nice number. You can get enough supporters to buy discounted tickets, travel, and fill 70 to 80% of those seats and some of the hostile anti-US fans are priced out of the rest of them. It's all part of the struggle to put our national team in front of a friendly crowd within our own country. Here's my suggestion. If you want to see larger soccer specific stadia, join the American Outlaws or a similar group, meet up and watch some games, and occasionally buy a ticket and travel to attend a game. Membership is 30 bucks a year. Get someone to buy it for you as a gift. See it up close and find out how we're doing with filling these stadiums as fans. If we get to a point where fans of the USMNT can be relied on to fill a 70,000 seat stadium for a Nations League match against Costa Rica or a Gold Cup match against Jamaica and the local MLS club will also fill a stadium that size 17 times a year for regular season games, then yeah, we will work with those numbers. At this point, however, there really are two different numbers to think about. This isn't just about MLS fans- with a lot of these stadia, it's also the infrastructure for the national team. Men's and women's too, I might add. Where are the women going to play, and what type of crowd size will they bring in? Yeah, I guess there's three different numbers to think about. And for sure, there are certain areas where it's more focused. New York City is more strictly focused on serving the MLS club, for example. But for a lot of these smaller market teams that are building a new stadium, they are thinking about two or three different sets of numbers and they usually build within the constraints of the smallest number.
@mmmcounts I actually did wonder if it had something to do with the TV contract. Maybe thier contract only allows certain capacity so more people will watch it on TV
so with citypark, the roof panels are supposed to resemble the pieces of the gateway arch. The glass paneling at the south end is the mich ultra club, and they kept all 4 corners of the stadium open so that the stadium can be connected with the "city". also too, it is expandable up to 25,000 seats if they deemed necessary
Providence park is actually so goated, not because of Oregonian bias, but it’s literally a MAX station for rail, and it is much louder than you think and it’s design
DRV PNK Stadium was built on the site of the former Lockhart Stadium, which was the home of the original Miami Fusion franchise in the early 2000s. The fact that a temporary stadium is a massive upgrade to the permanent stadium that used to sit there tells you why the Fusion didn’t last long in the MLS.
As someone who lives across the strait from Vancouver, I just need to comment on the opening map placing Vancouver in Alaska. Yes, I realize that maps are USA-centric, and so this is just a fun push-back that my citizenship compels me to do, politely. :) Yes, Vancouver is actually in that empty white space of nothingness, that doesn't exist on some people's maps. It's a secret, LOL.
While there was a slight blue streak above the border on the map shown, he disregarded the BC Lions and the CFL by saying the Whitecaps were the only tenant.
From the outside Allianz Field reminds me of the Allianz Arena in Munich. Allianz must like stadiums though cos there's also Allianz Park rugby stadium in London and I'm sure there's an Allianz Stadium in Sydney which also hosts rugby I think but rugby league as opposed to rugby union which for those not in the know are two slightly different variations of the sport (long story).
My clasification points 1to10 from the point view of the game presentation on TV 1. S. Louis =10 / 2. Nashville= 9.7 / 3. Minesota= 9 / LAFC=9 / ATX=9 / 6. S.Lake=8.6 / 7.K.C.=8.6 / 8.Cncinati=8.5 / 9. Columbus =8.2 / 10 Glxy=8 / Orlando=8 / Seattle=8 / 13. Red Bull = 7.5 / Mimi = 7.5 / 15. Philadelfia = 7 / Montreal = 7 / Dallas = 7 / Huston = 7 / Vancuver = 7 /Chicago = 7 / 21. D.C. United = 6.7 / 22. Portland =6.5 / 23. Charlote = 6.2 / 24. Toronto = 6 / Colorado =6 /26. S. Jose = 5.5 / 27. Atlanta = 4.6 / 28 New England = 4 / NYC = 4 What you want for good soccer game presentation on TV is the unbroken wall of people always in TV camera view and they reaction. And S. Louis stadium shows on TV camera unbroken wall of people always in the camera view , so the TV viewer can see people reaction to the game. So it gives the best TV game presentation.
Gillette Stadium is the worst to play on according to the players, Seattle is great when it is full the roof keeps the sound in, BMO in Toronto seats are comfortable and every seat has a close and great view of the field, there is more to a good mls stadium then what it looks like empty or the upper deck
I like how his explanation for the overhang was about “how much it rains in Seattle”…🤔😂 this guy has no clue that lumenz has broken numerous decible level records in its lifetime. Feels like his content is based off of common knowledge as opposed to hard hitting research and considering he mispronounced “Subaru”, I would testify that my notions are correct
Seattle and Atlanta near the bottom because "tOo MaNY sEAtS!" A bit of very quick research shows why they have the excess seats. However, as they're NFL grounds with NFL capacity, they must not be good for Seattle, Atlanta or the MLS .....
Love Allianz field. Coming from a guy who lives in St. Paul. Though, I wished they built it in a safer neighborhood. The midway area isn’t the nicest part but it is convenient with the light rail next to it.
You have a clear lack of knowledge about some MLS franchises. Lumen Field and Mercedes Benz stadium often sell out for MLS games, because Atlanta United and the Sounders are very well supported teams. Also it would be extremely difficult to build a new stadium in central Seattle, so this is a decent alternative.
Exploria has exclusive club level seating on the west side in between the top and bottom decks with club suites and the west club behind the upper deck with exclusive seating and dining area. Also was the first stadium in MLS to create a standing only supporters section, which has been copied on most of the new MLS builds. It also has one of the very best actual grass fields in MLS, with great drainage and impeccable, perfect grass for the playing surface. Granted, I am not saying it is the best in the league buy any means, but probably top 10 for sure.
The thing with Mercedes Benz is that Atlanta fills it’s supposed soccer capacity, which is around 45,000, so I think it could be a permanent home for them!
Cloud City is a strong contender for best arena in the Twin Cities and that's saying something considering we have four top-10 venues in their major-level sports (Target Field, US Bank Stadium, Allianz Field, and Xcel Energy Center, plus you can argue that Roy Wilkins Auditorium is one of the best venues for roller derby in the entire WFTDA, but we're HARDLY a major sport)
if allianz stadium had more seating area it’d be nicer, it looks very big from the outside, and i think the inside has a lot of potential to grow in seating and capacity
So wrong about Mercedes. I’ve been to so many games there. It’s a gorgeous stadium built with soccer in mind. It’s never empty and the fan atmosphere is probably the best in the country. The food and drink is also very affordable. Accessible by public transit too. It’s as close to perfect as possible.
As a Dynamo fan, Shell Energy (Formerly BBVA Compass Stadium) is ranked about right. I hope in the future it’s renovated to where the canopy covers all the seats like many of the other stadiums in the league do.
I'm a Dynamo fan and I've been longing for a roof renovation. When it opened in 2012, it was a top 5 stadium. We've quickly fallen behind by all the new ones and I feel like we're overdue for a new roof. With the seats being recently renovated, I hope the roof follows.
BMO Field in Toronto is technically a multi-purpose stadium. It was built as a soccer only stadium for the Toronto FC but the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL moved in there later on.
having Gillette stadium at 26...shows you don't know ur soccer. every game is sold out between 65-70k fans, the stadium is renovated the fans are passionate and loud for the full 90+ min without sitting... this should be top 3-5 on the list. do more research
He didn’t forget anything, just doesn’t care. He expects every city to have a flashy, new, modern stadium which he’s not going to go to anyways. BOA is a great stadium
PayPal Park is pretty decent. I love it. It's inline with EFL 1 or EFL 2 stadiums. The park behind the bar/scoreboard is great during match days. They have kids area, food trucks, and activities to do before the match starts.
I’m a bit surprised Toyota Stadium wasn’t ranked a bit higher. The pictures shown don’t really give it justice though. We renovated the south end, and it now has the National Soccer Hall of Fame as well as a huge indoor meeting area and a canopy for the south seats
As a Timbers fan, I would say that Providence Park is pretty good, however needs to demolish the Multnomah Athletics Club building (Building that occupies one of the side of the stadium) and convert that into seating.
Honestly Saputo Stadium in Montreal is super classy. Amazing stadium. I do think unless you have been... your rankings seem to be off. Dallas stadium is a joke compred to most.
At Providence Park here in Portland, the old building it’s up against is actually an exclusive athletic club. Known to be one of the largest indoor athletic clubs in the world.
it's not even a problem because they fill them for every game. I get having some nfl stadiums low, because they don't incorporate the MLS teams into the stadium with shops and other stuff. But Lumen Field and Mercedes Benz do that and it's criminal for them to be so low.
@@anthonyrivera0917 according to the trajectory, Atlanta would need a 2nd stadium that has the seating of at least 70,000 to 80,000 fans (which the newly built Mercedes Stadium currently has)...I don't think Atlanta United will be getting it's own stadium for that reason...
This guy just simply doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. He's just way off with a lot of these. Yankee Stadium is absolutely the worst ground in the league... BY FAR... and then he's got some really good stadiums ranked ridiculously low. He also has an old photo of Toyota Stadium before it got renovated. He clearly has zero knowledge of the league. He's just making up an order of stadiums based on total ignorance.
Wtf how is Bank of America stadium the worst stadium in mls have you seen the atmosphere if you’re going to rank these you have to have all of your information
