RANKING every Patch since Legion! Tier List 

Great ranking, but Chains of Domination is a little too high I think

Although the time-gating was a bit strange, Suramar into Night Hold was some of the best PvE content ever

Visions of N'zoth was the patch when I had most fun in WoW, played it all patch long :) so many builds possibilities with all the corruption, it was fun.. m+ was also good, Obelisks were really fun affix.

8.3 was absolutely the most fun I've had in a patch ever.

I get why you didn't like 8.2 but for me it's one of the better patches because of how good Nazjatar and Mechagon were, probably the best patch zones ever. Also I have essences in good memory, that was a good system.

Really good tier list that I mostly agree with. It is too bad that 8.3 launched in such a state because once the problems were fixed, it was the most fun I’ve ever had playing WoW.

9.1 deserves a G ranking for Garrosh.

8.3 was one of my favourite periods in wow. I agree corruption was underrated, I have fond memories of going pure haste/mastery% on my mm hunter, and being able to hit insane haste numbers with galecallers boon. The ability to feel like you are breaking the game like that is best placed at the end of an expansion cycle. I didn't care that much about covenants, and never really bothered to switch my conduits, but something I think doesn't get mentioned enough in criticisms of SL was how boring the conduits themselves were. I was playing enh shaman at the time and it was so uninspiring to see "lava lash does % more damage".

I think seeing a raid/dungeon boss, or dungeon tier list would be really interesting coming from you!

nzoth is S tier dude. ez. Most fun patch ever. Best raid ever.

Visions of N'Zoth patch is when I had the most fun playing WoW but ONLY in the later months after they added Corruption vendors and catchup with Cloak progress. Those last few months before SL came out were totally bonkers! 🥳🥳🥳🥳🤓🤓🤓🤓

Wow. Hearing you slander domination shards is so unfortunate. Definitely my favorite system of all time.

ToS is the one tier that broke me and made me not want to raid around the top 100~ range. Avatar before it got nuked by nerfs is one of the most miserable experiences I've ever had raiding, and knowing that KJ came right after who was basically as equally as difficult was demoralizing.

One hour Dratnos tier list video. A rare, welcomed treat!

End of BfA and SL are comparable to Tomb of Sargeras, but Argus was absolutely a cut-above. Incredible patch for open-world, alts, and other mini games besides the big 3 pillars.

I as well liked 8.3 (nzoth), there was quite high negativity at the time still but it was clear to me a lot of people still liked it, from simply seeing how many views random guide videos were getting. I even dare say 9.0 wasn't that bad, it just got horrible reputation due to long wait for 9.1. That was SL's main issue in general, lack of patching. Considering things are back on track in 10.0+, can only assume it had to do with covid delays and general blizz issues at the time.

You know how bad SL was when Dratnos put the first patch in "F" tier before even saying a single word about Maw, Choreghast and Legendary Craftings 😂😂 He did talk about Maw briefly only after talking about next patch with Korthia.

Ah the essences, I remember those where a PVP only sourced essence was BiS for PVE and by a HUGE margin too. 😣😣

While legion launch had a bunch of problems, i think the sole fact that it introduced m+ makes it s+ tier

Corruption fucking slapped and I absolutely will die on that hill. If you didn't like corruption, WoW isn't the game for you. 30 tank Nyalotha was some of the best memes.

An HOUR long video? 😮😮 I know what I am doing for next hour! 🤗🤗

I think you discounted the introduction of m+ in legion too much. It's been called the best feature to ever be added to the game.

Legion is remembered fondly by many because of the amount of content that it had and the introduction of M+, but the systems were imho the worst of all WoW expansions (i.e. the legendaries, the artifact power, the fact that one of the best trinkets of the expansion came from a World Boss, among many other gripes). The dungeon design was good for its time but overall I didn't like them as much as BfA, Shadowlands or Dragonflight dungeons. Nighthold, Trial of Valor and Argus were good raids, Emerald Nightmare and Tomb of Sargeras were boring for me, though the guilds I was in at the time might have contributed to the boredom. I had way more fun in every BfA patch than at any point in Legion.

My biggest counter here is that I really enjoyed the Nazjatar patch as a fairly casual player. There were a lot of meaningful grinds that I got to tie myself up in, it introduced me to the fun of M+, and had a cool raid with amazing trinkets. In hindsight they couldn’t do half those things again, and I’m way too hardcore now to enjoy engaging with so many of the systems (I don’t know how any mythic guilds were functioning when we can’t even get people to log on for M+ vaults), but I really enjoyed the lore and the zone.

Great vid, just some things I’ve noticed were missing while I’m still at the 8.3 part: - 7.2 solved like 85% of the issue with leg acquisition not just by further BLP and gear to further overpower world tours, but Broken Shore recompense caches had insane leg chances - 7.3 invasion points were somehow even better with dropping legs - On top of pre-immuning Argus chains, you also pre-died as a raid sans 1 tank up top, and the shaman that was already down there, to take the tree after one of Argus’ chains casts - Would deduct points from 8.0 for the removal of gearswapping and the GCD change, along with AP being a longer grind than it was in 7.3 - 8.2 Benthic gear. Awful, awful, awful rng farm because the tokens were accountwide which meant doing WQs/rares/treasures on every alt for effects that were better than Mythic raid gear - 9.0 Target cap and potion changes made M+ stale - Not having to do the covenant campaign for renown on alts was a change that took way too long

I think corruption was the first time gearing in wow was interesting and I've played since beta.

8.3 was the best patch in the last 4 years ive played

Damn i wanted to be venthyr warlock, esthetics, that spell looked so good yet it was doing twice less dmg then NF... so i had to bend a knee

nzoth S tier, battle for azeroth A

He said Mechagon is the weakest of the 4 mega dungeon?? Bruh that's literally my fav 😭

I loved 8.2!!!! So much to do 😊 i loved all the collectables and outdoor world content there was, and mechagone was super fun!!!! And TWO new zones that were both aesthetically amazing! But I didnt raid that tier... so maybe why i remembered it differently

There’s no way 8.0 is like 7.0, 8.0 made a lot of people quit the game

What's the worse on echo of nelth is that every time you have a new player it takes half a raid to make sure his WA is working properly 😅

Interesting to hear your perspective Dratnos. As a casual player, Rise of Azshara was one of the best patches they've ever done imo.

Reaping was a super-fun affix but getting into a group as a non-meta was basically Mission Impossible 😢

I'm playing since TBC and the most fun i've ever had in this game was Legion, from the beginning until Argus. All classes were so enjoyable. The rng with legendary items was the only downside for me, but still. It had the best dungeon design, m+ was a new thing, raids were awesome, Suaramar was amazing, i'd love to play it again.

Private aura video is the other thing you wanted to link (Echo of Nelth)

9.0 - heavily disagree yes, covenants stuff was not great, but at the same time it still introduced a lot of new and cool abilities, which a lot of players loved to a point where they got transferred to the talent systems (e.g. kyrian spear for warrior, shifting power for mages, weapons of order for monks etc.) in addition, torghast was really cool and new experience, dark souls vibe style. even though it was somewhat of a grind, it still was the aspect of the game that is lacking in dragonflgiht, which essentially just went back to raid, m+ and pvp content Overall, I don't think that the conduit energy restrictions and the covenants stuff was that detrimental to your patch experience unless of course you get hard from simming your character every time you loot a +2 i lvl piece of gear :)

Looking back at Legiondaries to Shitterlands, confirms to me that whatever people complain about in Dragonflight probably doesn't matter. We have nothing anywhere near as egregious as back then, Even if you're into professions and rep grinds in DF, it's still better than those older expansions. It's also interesting to see that Blizzard always managed to make expansions decent by the end - but in DF we just hold steady but kinda mid so far, with the worst move really being the annulet - we all knew trying support was going to get messy, I think it's a price we should be willing to pay for a season honestly. On mini-raids, I'd actually like to see them do a TBC style, with 2 smaller raids in a tier. Like 2x 5boss raids in different locations with different themes, but both the same ilvl/tier.

The most fun i've ever had was at the start of BFA! i played a disc priest and i just felt so powerful it was an absolute blast i will never forget how much fun i had during that exspansion!!!!

8.2 is divisive. I agree with your F toer ranking for high end PvMers. But its probably the greatest patch of all time for casuals/collectors. For someone that engaged with all of the content, my ranking is somewhere in the middle.

Mechagon is much better than dawn od the infinites imo

Dratnos can you make a tier list of dratnos videos?

Come on 8.2 deserve a C at least for the two new zones...

as a casual, dragonflight 10.0 being knocked down so far because of thundering is criminal haha, dragonriding and profession overhaul really elevate the game and the incentives to go out into the world with other players are really important to an MMO ecosystem

you forgot to do the private aura video link

SL Castle Nathria was a different level of raid than the previous ones. I had a blast every time I was raiding, doesnt matter if we wiped or anything.

Dr. Atnos for president

this isnt ranking patches... this is ranking M+/raid with random thoughts thrown in. Broken shore in A... smh

man i loved the visions of nzoth patch, i have like 950k coalesced visons or w.e the currency was

I personally would put 10.0 in A, very very close to S. It introduced talents, profession rework, a ton of outdoor content, essentially removed borrowed power grinds, and introduced dragon riding. Vault was pretty whatever, and the mythic+ affix wasn’t too good. However I don’t think it should go down to B for those things. I think overall 10.0 is the best patch in the games history

Tomb of Sargeras was one my favorite tiers because i as a prot warrior main finally got "Mannoroths Bloodletting Manacles". I played every single day since xpac launch too... I rerolled to monk like 2 weeks after i got that 😅

what patch from all of wow is S tier then Dratty ?

I think a good way to solve the leveling up problem would be to remove leveling and just make it so you have to complete the campaign on a character to unlock the content

It's pretty funny watching this I quit the game temporarily at every F or lower tier patch pretty early into it. Good to see past me knew what was going on

Largely agree with the rest of your takes (Visions of N'Zoth is too high IMO, too much credit given to "how it ended up/was intended" vs. "how it was for the majority of the patch in practice" but I sort of understand) but sorry Tomb is not an example of good raid design. Tomb is a pure garbage raid and I do not understand anyone that likes it. Very few redeeming qualities outside of maybe Sisters, mechanic wise. Mistress, bad fight, frustrating fish mechanic, having to immunity solo soak the Hydra Shot. Fallen Avatar wasn't "objectively great" it was FRUSTRATING and badly designed with too much dependence on immunities (AGAIN) and soaking much like the rest of the major raid fights. The reason you wanted to practice P2 is so that the first time you went into P2, you would kill it so you didn't have to see that dumpster fire again for weeks. KJ was one of the worst fights they've ever done, M SLG is the only one under M KJ.

Man I am really nostalgic for 8.3 , thats the patch I started playing and I loved Corruptions and Horrific Visions and the M+ Seasonal Affix... everything except the raid. The raid was mid besides Ra-Den imo I stopped playing in 9.0 not because I was fed up with the game but because I started playing too much genshin impact. I didnt like anything in 9.0 except my spec (aff) and the raid (sludgefist my beloved)

Possibly unpopular opinion: the bad part was acquisition. Otherwise it was the time I enjoyed the game the most. Edit: I liked my rogue with the frost shards. I was owning. Edit 2: I FUCKING HATED how even tho I could fly in Zereth Mortis, blizz flooded the zone with flying mobs to either daze us and fall or straight up banish us from the mount. DISGUSTING.

Beginning of Legion and BFA are F-. The sheer magnitude of the player unfriendly systems in Legion, the grind, the RNG, bricking your main with Legendaries. There is no universe in which 7.0 is not the worst patch of all-time. It was abysmal. 8.0 had many of the same problems, RNG, grind, player unfriendliness... but it also introduced the GCD changes, Azerite Armor, and had 2 dud systems in Warfronts and Islands. Also an abysmal patch. Agree that nothing since Legion has been an S-tier patch. Argus/7.3 was *close* but not quite there.

Legion : First raid was the best mood i had in raids ever (loving elf theme) Second raid was also good alright the gating of Suramar was kind messed up they could've done so much with that zone and the city itself. Still awesome Last 2 raids seemed meh, especially as a Survival hunter straight up hated by the community and then Blizzard adding a forced Raptor Strike into the rotation, although the simple Mongoose Bite spamming was alright as a rotation, just needed the Fury of the Eagle to be buffed or modified as a finisher like the Fury Warrior. And they also dared nerfing our only good secondary ability Fire bomb just because of PvP... Heart broken. After that the other two expansion in between were just meh, playable but just meh. When the setting of the expansion doesn't give you magic you just don't want to play at all. At least for me. I still keep fond memories of Legion despite of the farm and the random Leggo drops. I just wish i could've tried more classes/specs (Only had a BDK on the side)

Domination shards were NOT exciting. They were poorly thought out, cheap knock off, pick up out of a counterfeit bin in China, Wannabe Tier Set. Unholy was only to use as DPS, Blood was amazing for healers, and Frost was never buffed or reworked enough to ever see the light of day. your kidding yourself if you think Domination shards were exciting. I'd of rather played with a boring recolor of an older tier set that 2pc gave you 5 percent aura damage, and 4 pc gave you 10. that would of been more exciting than the rng and upgrading mess that was Domination shards. I would of rather raided in the Covenant gear you go through their campaign than ever use Domination shards. I don't agree with thoughts on abberus, but i'm not high mythic raider. right now i'm only 3/9, with 4 on the way if we can get our group to be consistent. I think its been fun, yes bit easier on the lower difficulties, but the fights are varied, Zskarn being my most hated. As a ret i'm on bomb duty so my damage tanks in this fight. I enjoy the clarity of Echo fight, the phase changes are nice and clean. Rashok is nice Sludgefist like fight. Honestly, there isn't a fight I just down right hate in Abberus. unlike Dawn of the Infinite where Morchie can burn in hell!!!!

N'zoth to S and I agree, have played since vanilla and that is the best of the best time on WoW in every aspect: PvP, arena was great where RBG not so much. PvDungeon, raid was very enjoyable as seen as guildless player and M+ was at its peak. PvWorld, Nightmares was insanely well made and progressed as it was power gated but still doable based on skill. And every area of the game was rewarding without leaving another in shade. You were able to go full use of procs from various outside class mechanics OR enhance your class abilities, as your liking as it should be. Just giga bis.

8.3 is the S-Tier for me. 10.1.5 is the F-. M+ Season for 2 weeks, the worst balancing in the history of the (M+) game. Melee Main and M+ Player here xD, cant wait for all the cool augmented boosted heros.

I started playing during *Shadowlands*. Videos like this help me make sense of things. I wish I could've experienced Visions of N'Zoth when it was current content, because I love that cosmic horror flavor.

you forget about the forced weekly thorgast grind for leggies and maw farm for sockets, how YOU COULDNT MOUNT UP IN MAW idk i think there should be a swamp ass tier that is with malicious intent of design, cause i can understand a hit and miss f tier but 9.0 was an atrocious patch for the players with all the unnececary limitations.

Dude Visions was sick - being able to play with BotE, practically 100% Crit and like 80% Haste as a fury warrior was like the power fantasy I never knew I had. Once I had my BiS corruptions, I was actually able to solo a whole side of pustules on the Carapace side, and it was glorious lmao.

Giving 7.0 a C is ridiculous. People bitch about two things, AP grind and legendaries. Think about all the great stuff that came with Legion launch. Putting it all on a scale would pretty heavily dip it towards pros rather than cons. Also, for the vast majority of players, the AP grind didn't exist.

I was not a CE raider until Shadowlands and now we just do heroic again. Legion was and is still the best expansion for non CE raiders even with the flaws. The artifact weapons alone make it the best casual and alt friendly and fun expansion. Combine that with class order halls and some of the coolest storylines in each zone and 7.0-7.3 has been the most fun this game has given me since Wrath. Some of my alts are still going back and doing legion content. I cant say that about any other expansion. I was hoping DF would be the same but it just is lacking. Raids are ridiculous with the mechanics and need for addons/weak auras and M+ is just not a fun environment. First time I have unsubbed from the game.

zskarn was not only a bad and annoying boss, it wasn't fun at all. i am a bit disappointed by the story... it's soooo slow only getting 5 min of content per patch feels very empty... especially fyrakk etc. very boring...the megadungeon helped but apart from that? not really much happened since launch, i hope the will deliver on 10.2

can someone explain why these tierlists are always S --> F like... what does "S" even mean? Why not just A --> G or 1 --> 6 or something like that. It just seems so odd.

Agree with most except for patch 9.0 and 9.2, Castle Nathria was the best opening raid an expansion has had. Patch 9.2 raid for me just felt terrible.. probably the worst end raid an expansion has had.

Introducing aug for the average player did not affect them. I think if your running 11-20s it was not important. I am just happy to see people with full gems/enchants in my pug groups.

Rise of ashara had some nice raid trinkets. :D I liked to stack up till execute and bam ;) Also the axe was super nice in lucky moments. But totally agree many patches had some problems that could hit you hard if you are a victim of the downsides. i came to the conclusion wow gets better if you dont play it to serious. Rwf as a player must be a horrible game. ^^

It's scary how they thought 9.1 was an acceptable patch. Virtually no collector's content and the new system was shitty tier that everybody knew was going to suck. Tazavesh was fun, but no mythic+ made it dead content after you cleared it. The raid's aesthetic was basically already ready from designing Torghast. Did all the dev time go into making the Painsmith fight be cool?

This is just reinforcing my disappointment that I missed out on Legion, lol. Oh well, maybe we'll see Legion Classic in 5-7 years or so.

Aight hear me out...yes Dom shards were shit ...but.... The winds of winter set was actually kinda interesting... it's not great and it doesn't make up for it but I do remember enjoying the effect and trying to pool up a ton of damage for a huge shield etc etc

8.3 was the funnist most broken system they ever put out it was awesome. it felt like the entire patch was damage control, like as if they had no idea corruption would be so strong but they're in to deep to nerf it so they just said fuck it and gave us the vendor. playing a broken spec with bis corruption and full mythic gear with sockets is probably the most enjoyment ill ever have in this game.

As someone who played dh in 8,3 for cutting edge. having about 2/3rd of my dps logs being determinded by twillight devestation or infinite stars or to be swapped for gushing. it was the least fun ive had playing wow ever. i disagree with some of your list, but i see where you are coming from

The worst thing is that we'll likely never get another patch like 8.3 again. It was too much "fun" for blizzard's taste.

Since there is an S tier but you didn't put any patches in it, it suggests you know/have experienced what an S tier patch would be but its just prior to the time frame in which you are referencing. What WoW patches from the past would you consider S tier?

Week one of Shadowlands M+ I quit playing until season 4. I wasn’t wasting my time on a system that was actively developed to hinder my joy of the game.

Visions of Nzoth is S tier for me, corruption was super cool and made all classes feel "op". raid was cool, I don't mind the use of older zones. The azerite grind was more or less fixed by this point as well.

Now that we’ve had 10.2, where does that patch go on your tier list?? Would love to hear!

You forgot to mention anything about the 2 dungeons introduced in legion after Karazhan. Cathedral of eternal night and Seat of the Triumvirate. The 2 worst dungeons ever imo

Guys don't worry I'm taking a break after we kill Sarkareth. They gonna do an S Tier Patch just to spite me.

Man i dont know if its just nostalgia but 7.0 gives me such good memories, all these new class order hall quests and mythic plus was such as good change. I got my best legos straight away so never suffered from that issue

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Dt4Rk1X3TGE.html This is so true. Blizzard level scaling sucks so bad in WoW and now D4.

I wanna dock visions of nzoth down a grade or 2 for the sole existence that is mythic xanesh and people really hate on corruptions and I agree since getting them was annoying and the rotation to buy them was unneeded but damn did corruptions make farming raid fun af

Man I'm such a sucker for tier list content Dratnos forgot to mention 7.2's atrocious grind for mana pearls and the gigga grind to get bis gear pieces from rng'd rng rolls.

dratnos normally I’m a big fan but you did a poor job with the straightness of the lines for the different tiers please do better in the future. I’m still a fan just disappointed this time

Shards was awful. Sylv mythic - oh, my stacks droped at the intermission. Cool.

I remember max rolling an arcanosphere at the end of the xpac and I would link it all the time lol. Wasn’t rly good for feral though

WoW finally fixed the turn off power when they stoped their borrowed power system in Dragonflight.

you were dogging all over shadowlands, and didnt even mention thorgast.. that speaks to how much bad shadowlands had

Would be hard to rate anything pre-legion on this list, since m+ didn't exist so it was barely even the same game.

I really did like the shadowlands dun, I thought they where fun. The only think i liked from that expan.

So...we come to the moments when we got nothing to cover so we go back to tiers 😂😂😂. Dead game lol...

Dratnos and MS Paint - still a better love story than Twilight xD

As bad as BFA and SL were, I still had by far more fun in those 2 than I am so far in DF. All the changes they've made are great, but the outdoor content is all braindead and feels unimportant to do. There are no solo challenges, at least not yet. Also, the theme is not very exciting. I loved Horrific Visions. I even enjoyed Torghast while it was challenging. Even the Maw was fun for the first month. The Nazjatar and Mechagon zones and meta achievements were very unique and fun to do.

Damn I used to not watch dratnos for some. Reason but I’ve really came around this season