Ranking EVERY Primary Weapon Tierlist After Patch Helldivers 2 Polar Patriots Update 

Wish they would give the Breaker more bullets..... like its GOOD, but man you are just CONSTANTLY reloading the god dame thing. Id go so far as to give it 18 rounds per clip. Hell Put it back up to 15 rounds, their was NOTHING wrong with the gun.... plus its STILL A SHOTGUN, best used at close range (IE BUG CLEAR KING, Less so for BOTS). Like i will use the PUNISHER over the BREAKER just cus I'm not constantly reloading. Fun fact, the Spray and Pray fires BIRD SHOT! Yes really, it actually says that. At least it makes for a good Anti Aircraft Gun vs all those Shrikers...... OR you can not be a dumb ass and just nuke the nest from the other side of the map with a RPG. The Crossbow is pretty fun in my option, its basically a Silent mid range sniper. Not grate, but its fun at least. Edit: your not crazy, the Scythe has always been grate vs BOTS since its just POINT AND KILL. But yeah that Scope SUCKS!

Laser Turret when? I want all Lasers!

Lol the last gun is a hated gun

😂😂

Alexus* skipping to the end

​@@braixendon5496We must do something about him.

They'll just gut everything based on number of users, all the while player numbers (the only number that matters) continue to go down sharply until they are left in the Destiny situation where nobody plays and the game dies. They are already going pretty quickly down that path. The balance person doesn't even play the game clearly because if they did the nerfs would be much less severe.

Alex is gonna wipe his ass with this tier list

I'm sure they got analytics. So they already know what guns are considered great.

Lol

Nah I hope they go by this list. The guns I love he says are average and the ones I think are meh or even garbage he says is good so I’m okay.

​@@nw3413 who? Lmfao

Don't you dare

This Alexus working with automatons for sure

​@@noble_lemon I hope he doesn't work for much longer

That fucking narcissistic twerp, i just wish he gets canned just like that neckbeard Spitz did.

Don't you put that evil on us Ricky Bobby!

If you say your fav weapon name the devs have a 50 50 chance of gutting it then throwing it in the trash

I felt like the first nerf was adequate, then the second killed it

F

Worst change in the game so far imo

They should’ve just removed the reflective mechanic. I’ve never seen it work for any weapon but that.

Hate what they did to the eruptor.

loose lips sink ships

I'm doing my part!

All guns are bad and nerfed..who uses sniper anyways? 😂 thats one usles teammate standing 2 hills behind triping his helping 😂

I really hope they don't nerf DCS, my beloved.

​@@georgi1905 that "useless teammate" with the sniper rifle is clearing out waves of devastators from a safe distance so you don't die when you run in like an idiot

I agree and I always said this too. But they also buffed the splash radius so the outer area gets the fall splash damage, it doesn't have damage drop off at the edges

It’s awesome. It can take out a group of chaff bots quicker than anything else out there. Plus it can stagger all of the higher level bots leaving them open for your teammates to kill them, or switching over to the AMR to pop off a headshot.

​@@TylerWardhahadude, yesterday there was a group of troopers so big that my teammate decided to toss an eagle on them. By the time his eagle marker had landed there were none left. 3 shots from the plasma and all 12 were dead.

While I do agree the Plasma Punisher is probably the best gun against bots, against bugs, even at challenging difficulty, it has too little ammo and the shots tend to detonate on corpses instead of hitting the target nearby or behind the big corpses. As bots break to pieces, that isn't an issue but bug corpses tend to litter and far too many bugs do well at closing the distance, forcing me into using the machine pistol a lot and running out of ammo.

@@firedrapeon6012 It's great against bugs as well. It bullies Brood commanders into oblivion and it absolutely wrecks when you just spam fire it into a breach. It works very nicely in tandem with the grenade pistol to take out bile spewers as well (grenade + 1-2 plasma shots wipes them). Plus, in a pinch, it can kill Chargers and Titans through damaged armor. It may be a little ammo hungry, but it's still highly effective. It's not uncommon for me to pop off for 500ish kills and no deaths.

Yeah I need to test it more!!!

Huh actually might have some utility if you were to stall for time for quasar cannon to go off cool down.

I love the precision strike, I think it's the best designed orbital in the game, and when combined with stun nades and now pummeler, it's an easy kill on charges and hulks. I love the LibCon, but wouldn't mind seeing it's stagger bright in line with the pummeler, that would make it perfect imo

I don't think you even need to hit weak spots tbh, not for chargers anyway. I stunned a charger mid charge shooting it's armour 😂. Prob be nerfed soon.

@@PaulK-ep4ng yes you do, unless you shoot their armor off the leg or something. Shooting their armor is useless

Thank you I feel it offers more value and better description, as well as being higher effort to provide that value

people are overdoing it, plenty of good options and many guns a small tweak off fully viable

​@@captaintruth majority of weapons slightly skim the surface of being "average" most are sinking in a vat of shit while the devs call them "good" or "balance" because you can still see some of the weapon floating in said shit. dont get me started with dead in the shit water support weapons or stratagems like the machine guns and rocket turret.

I actually don't agree using the term average at all.,because in helldivers 2 case, average means bad. The average gun is really bad. Like the liberator, diligence, liberator penetrator, adjudicator etc... They are all pretty bad and kinda feel all the same. If I choose any of those guns, I feel like I'm handicapping myself and I don't find any of them unique or special, they all do the same thing and they don't work well. The only guns that feel good and work well are the incendiary breaker (after the fire damage nerf, it feels over hyped now. It was nerfed by a lot), the sickle (barely. it's like a liberator with twice the mag size. But now lower damage.they should buff it to 60 since it has only 3 mags and to use it effectively, you have A LOT of downtime. The fact that it's "infinite" doesn't help much when the reload lasts 10 seconds, even if it's a passive reload. It's not a thing in it's favor ffs, for all the morons repeating that fact. I'd be way WAY happier if they made it a normal gun with 90-100 bullets in its mag, with 8 mags, instead of "infinite ammo" bs), the jar 5 dominator(for bots only. And barely as well. It's too clunky to use and hard to aim. Kinda bad when it has only 15 bullets in the mag, takes forever to reload and has a crazy kick). Some other runs are good but are not there. Like the scorcher. Its kinda decent vs bots but lacks the impact that it should, like it's great vs striders (if and when it actually works) but it's inconsistent. Vs other bots it takes like a full mag sometimes and it's painful. Many times even the smaller enemies eat a shit, like they have force field around them. Then the diligence counter sniper, which is good on paper but it's way too clunky and the handling is kinda bad. You have to hit heads or else it's like shooting blanks. Too situational in a game where you get swarmed. FK it. They just need to reduce the enemy health at this point of every small and medium by 30% for starters. Bile titans, chargers, stalkers, shriekers, hulks, tanks and big dogs can stay the way they are. But everything else is too spongy for what they are. Maybe they could give a 20% extra spawn rate so it's more fun as it stays difficult but you get to kill enemies instead of tickling them with half a mag to an entire mag. And stratagems would still be the best way because you could REALLY clean up a bunch of them. Oh and the 500kg bomb needs a small buff to it's explosion radius. It's heart breaking to watch it land in the middle of 100 enemies and it gets 8 kills. Or getting it to land right between the legs of titan and it shrugs it off like nothing. It should feel way more powerful than just a single elite target elite stratagem. It's used right now only to kill titans, maybe chargers, hulks and tanks. And it kinda works, 60% of the time, when perfectly timed and placed. Kinda lame for the biggest no b stratagem in the game. Same for the laser; It barely kills a single charger and titan, while it has only 3 uses and a 5 minutes cool down. It's the most overrated stratagem alongside the 500kg. I'd rather get more enemies that are easier to kill over less but spongy enemies. And all they so far is buff enemies right except a nerf to their head health months ago.

@@kato093 Ppl considering the "Pummeler is op" says alot about the game current state.

@@kato093 the breaker incendiary can handle an entire bug breach aside from chargers and titans by its self... how is that over rated? even on a fire planet on hell dive ive never used more than 3 heatsinks on a sickle and there is ammo all over the map and supply drops, it has good time to kill, great scope, great recoil and the infinite ammo is actually a think, its not just a think spouted by morons, you carry 3 weapons on you at a time, how about you prioritize targets and swap as needed, there is usually something you can kill with secondary or support weapon and by the time you do that sickle is already cooled down.... jar-5 its top tier, it hits like a truck, is accurate, the recoil when aiming down scope isnt much of an issue, while i certainly wouldn't bring it on purpose to bugs because of handling, much like the incendiary breaker its not awful when you do, high damage, high stagger, makes med enemies a joke have you actually tried the counter sniper since last buff? its not just good on paper... they greatly reduced the mass and the handling is fantastic now... one shot devastators in the head one after another after another.... ill give you the 500kg needs a wider radius, make the radius as wide as eagle air strike without the last upgrade i'll maybe give you the laser as well, either buff the damage a bit or remove the 3 charge limit, it already has a long cool down no please don't nerf enemies any more than already has happened, if you shoot weak points they all go down quick if you are having trouble hitting those weak points please go down a level or two and practice a bit more or adjust controller/mouse settings to find an easier control scheme that fits your play style better than default settings, don't make it so that people who want to have a skill based play style payoff lose any reason to play the game

Auto charge shot would be handy where it releases the shot for you as soon as it is loaded up. More of a conveince for casuals. It also doesnt feel like it has medium armor pen after testing maybe thats a bug but I just dont feel like it is working as intended.

Honestly it should start at at least 300, given the plasma shotty is 250. Then ramp up to like 500. And it'll prob be perfect. Although I'd have to test some stuff for real numbera

@@thiccfila I was just spitballing numbers so, same. But it definitely needs SOME sort of rework or something to be usable and not easily outclassed

​@thiccfila that's exactly what I thought but like the explosive damages does 250 and the direct hit does like 450

@@NOVA-hd7lh that would be worth it comparing to other explosive weapons and other weapons with similar rates of fire

I played with the scythe a lot before. The downside of laser weapons is you need a steady aim. Anytime you get flinched it sucks. The damage definitely helped it against bugs at least

@@thiccfila scythe was my go to weapon for about my first 100hrs in the game. I’m not killing anything any faster than I did before, it pops commander heads slightly faster

Scythe need a sniper scope. It pinpoint accuracy is rendered useles due to that shitass walmart reddot that is probably not even centered. If i could actually hit devastators heads with it from a distance it would be very solid weapon.

Yeah I might just be salty about the nerf could've gone on average

@@thiccfila I understand. They both nerfed the damage, and removed the stagger, in the same patch where they gave Dominator even more stagger, and even more damage. It didn't make any sense, and it ruined the feel of the gun. It's still useful, but it went from being one of the strongest bot weapons, to being very average. It used to be useful against bugs for single target, and staggering Stalkers, and the nerf made it equivalent to a slower firing diligence.

I competely agree. Slugger needs stagger back, that alone will be enough, imo, to bring it back to its former self. Plenty of other weapons now have stagger, and the slugger, considering its firing a singular shotgun slug round, should out of principle, have stagger.

😢And dont forget its damage! DAMN YOU ALEXUS KRECHENKAV😢!¡!!!!!!!!​@@jeremydorfschmidt1088

@@LeafMaltieze When I learned that the Balance Dev just plays on 3 and 4 difficulty I sorta hovered over the uninstall button for a bit. We play on Helldive primarily and its so eye opening now why a great deal of these nerfs dont make a lot of sense..... The Balance Dev has no clue what its like to play on harder difficulties.... (Also, that same dev made a few comments about only testing for about 15 minutes or so each time they test...... WOT!!!)

fun fact, the pummeler can also stun lock chargers and hulks if fired on their weak spots

@@isaktrondsen8830 True. You should make a how to video on this weapon. It is unique in many ways.

Shhh don't let them know, it'll get nerfed.

You also toggle settings to display reticle at all times which can allow you to aim while running much easier

ive also noticed that rather than flinching enemies, the pummeler dazes like an ems

They all feel pretty decent now tbh. They just seem like bot weapons

@@thiccfila I'm just confused why diligence and diligence counter sniper are in the same tier while one is a devastator oneshot and one is a twoshot. There is zero reason to use the regular diligence atm imo.

I explained my list at the beginning. The top 4 tiers are good S and A, ordering left or right is more important for that. So counter sniper would be in S tier. But regular in A tier. Diligence is a fine pick for bots imo. It feels good.

@@peterdavids1206 I hate the counter compared to the regular diligence. The counter is just too clunky / horrible handling. I'll take the diligence all day over the counter.

Interesting ... ill try normal diligence ​@@KickMe1177

I didnt use it pre buff but im enjoying using it as well, nice to get away from breaker lol

You're welcome

The RoF of 320 means this has a hard time killing anything besides fodder units.

@@Redguns4life That doesn't make any sense. RoF only influences time to kill not what you are able to kill. The LC makes bug missions so much easier it's ridiculous. It pushes back whatever is trying to get to you so even if you're on your last few shots in the mag and don't have the damage to finish an enemy you still bought yourself some extra time and space vs Hunters and Stalkers.

Arc Blitzer for me. Incredibly inconsistent but s tier when it's goes off without a hitch

Give the plasma punisher a try on bugs? Having a blast with it atm...

@@jakeg7033 clip size is way too small for me

Does the ship upgrade (+25% to fire damage) work on fire shotgun? I know its not mentioned in the list but considering how devs working...

​@@noble_lemonit says it only works on strats. So its meant to have no effect on the breaker, but who fkn kows at this point 😂

Lmfao.

Ikr I was thinking something similar 😂

Yet this is also under the pretense that you are not alone in these engagements. So being able to stun lock the likes of berserkers or even brood commanders will let the others sweep through the rest of the trash mobs so they can take that down later with no difficulty. It’s all part of how your combat ability benefits the team as a whole.

@@lolzism1 Well even if you say that, a dead enemy would be one less thing to deal with as a team...

@@Tamachii12 you can stun like 4 enemies at a time letting your team deal with them a lot easier. The thing shuts down devastators without needing to pick off a headshot. same concept as a stun grenade. you’re buffing your team’s TTK by reducing the enemy’s ability to return fire.

Lets pretend we cant miss, 100% accuracy. Why use a similar gun that does light pen and more damage, over a gun that can stunlock most trash enemies with slightly less damage and the same light pen? The normal gun might get more kills but there is a higher chance of bullshit happening because the only thing saving you is your kill power vs the other gun you still have kill power but now cc is also helping you. Or are you comparing a horde weapon with cc to the dominator that is way more focused at single target but has light cc because its just stagger and not a full stun effect like the smg?

It's also good for forcing things into an airstrike/DoT that are trying to escape. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing it stagger like the pummeler

Well try the pummeler lol

I love it too, but as a fellow LibCon lover, let's go ahead and push to have it's stun brought in line with pummeler to make it better at its job.

Hi sora 😞 I hope they don't nerf anything next patch only 50 buffs

Dot dmg isn't even that high, you have to go out of your way to stop shooting bugs before they die if you actually want to see it do anything. Literally everyone uses it like a breaker anyway lol

​​@@DanielLazzaramaaaan I love using it just because it feels so much like the old breaker, if not more powerful. I've never killed stalkers that fast with the breaker (old and new)

​@DanielLazzara yeah, the fire dot really only matters against hive guards and brood commanders. The smaller bugs die so fast. The fire is also great against a charger if you break their leg armor first.

Expect recoil increase and magazine reduced.

I saw a suggestion on discord that Eruptor projectiles should "erupt" shrapnel in a cone, personally love this idea so I'm spreading it around

@erichthegraham that would be better than no shrapnel. You would lose out a bit on uses though. One of the things that made the original shrapnel so good was how you could shoot behind something and still hit them. You could shoot into a group and damage everything in front of and behind the impact.

I had 50 hours playing the eruptor before the new patch, level 105. It was my favourite gun in the game. It is straight ass now unfortunately.

It's honestly just another liberator. I don't understand how it's not med armor pen tho

​@@thiccfilaTo be fair if it was medium pen it'd be a way way better lib pen. Which would be nice bc lib pen sucks

Never

It's also great for DoT/ airstrike as it forces them back into range. That said, this video has convinced me that it should have stun similar to pummeler, that should bring it to a good spot

Or you could just bring a gun that’s worth a fuck 😂

I’ve been using it since it was the 2nd weapon i got in the game

Ty, you gave me a warm feeling in my soul

If it gets buffed it'll be great

It has a good primary, grenade, and secondary. Every warbond launched with half the stuff bad. Pummeler is legit a top weapon but it's just not exciting since it's a ballistic and the reason it's good takes some thought behind it rather than oonga boonga

In its current state democratic detonations primary’s and grenade are average or bad, the grenade pistol is the only weapon there that I would consider good. I don’t necessarily disagree with people saying polar patriots is the worst warbond right now but I think it’s disingenuous to ignore detonations faults too

​@Brntnugget yeah they gutted DD but polar is probably the worst feeling at lunch, which is probably the worst problem.

Patriots has ONE terrible weapon. One average side grade of an assault rifle, one great weapon, one solid side grade secondary, and one good grenade. The problem is that nothing is flashy, stands out, or occupies a new niche. The main problem is that it is boring.... Not that it has mostly terrible weapons. But most RU-vidrs are saying it's bad and most people just listen to them, adopt their opinions, and don't actually try the weapons for more than a mission, if at all. And many people just look at the numbers to determine if a weapon will be bad when the stats don't show things like ergonomics, projectile travel speed, scope types, fire modes, and more. Plus, most content creators play on the highest difficulty and that level of optimization just isn't necessary on any difficulty below 7. I know, for a lot of people, common practice (among people who watch content) is to just emulate what the best players do but it simply isn't necessary for a large part of the player base.

Eh once you’ve hit lvl 50+ you play on helldive cause everything else is so easy, DD was sadly gutted, PP isn’t a horrible warbond though but i’d agree it’s boring and the unique weapon isn’t great

If its explosion pen is bugged, that explains why its so bad at killing hive guards.

True it's easier and more ammo but a fat opportunity cost just having a bad promary

I think it's cool that it allows you to get creative with you secondary and support weapons. Having Eruptor in the game soft buffs things like stalwart and laser cannon. That said, I'm gonna try playing with it exclusively for a day to determine what it needs. Somebody in the discord suggested they give it back the shrapnel, but make it "erupt" in a cone behind the projectile.

I know that it was also able to destroy rogue broadcast towers before the nerf, don't know if it still can.

@@thiccfila Depends how you define bad no? In my mind bad means it cannot do anything good at all, which is not wholly true for the Eruptor and certainly was untrue before the nerf.

@@erichthegraham Agreed and I am certainly not opposed to the cone suggestion either, it would at least allow for multi target clears.

Jump pack against bots? 😮 Sounds risky lol

@@JacobKelley-vw1pw less risky than a shieldpack, which many seem to think is required for bots

@@NopeAce631 I just can't see how jumping up high on difficulty 7+ and not getting a million rockets to your face. I can see it working well on the eliminate automaton missions though

@@NopeAce631 How would a shield pack be more risky? Lol and not required but on difficulty 9 it certainly does help. I use democracy protects perk so I don't have to have it but i try going for 0 deaths each run so it helps a lot. I mix up my stratagem fairly often anyways, keeps the game fresh

Honestly give me a Day with the balance team. Ive got ideas for pretty much all the weapons that would make them fun to use but also not too OP.

I thought about putting it in niche but honestly I bring punisher with my tier load outs against bugs

It is trash. You want a gun to KILL the bugs, not push them about...

With a higher damage will be nice (70)

That's treason and should be reported to your nearest Democracy Officer!

What?

@@witchBoi_Connor blazingboost ad????

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It doesn't. So it may be bugged, not sure.

It does not 4 tap hulk heads or else all med pen weapons would also do that Also the diligence counter sniper, dominator, and others all do this better. Dominator staggers everything when you miss the head

@@thiccfila Right, but the slugger is offering these with a reflex optic and a significantly larger magazine. It's expanding your short-range engagement capabilities and your burst potential.

Yeah I could've put it higher, I would go average

Lol wtf

I don’t think you know what underrated means

R/whoooosh

@@emanuelpovian1938 sarcasm

@@ProvidenceXIV mhm perhaps I’m retarded

Incendiary breaker + quasar is generally more well-rounded since it can also take out Bile Titans without relying on other stratagems. Only issue is if you get unlucky and run into a bile/nursing spewer world then you'll feel severely underpowered unless you bring the grenade pistol and/or impact grenades. Dominator + flamethrower will fair well on pretty much any world but you'll need stratagems to specifically take out Bile Titans. Both are good, just need to build for more contingencies through picking the correct secondary and specific stratagems.

I was about to say unless this dude is trolling the blitzer should be a LOT higher up the list. But maybe it's just how I use it and this dude hasn't played the game that long.

Yeah pummeler is one of my favorite right now I pair it with senator on bugs