When making this video I realised there are many INTJ characters to choose from. Rather than making the video four times longer I figured I’d see whether people actually wanted more of this kind of content first. I will make a part two of this video if people want it! Some characters who will feature in the part two already would be: Michael Corleone, Beth Harmon (The Queen’s Gambit), Wednesday Addams and Saruman. Feel free to suggest some more INTJ characters! ~ Nathan
Aaaaaaalright, Nathan, we want more. Congratulations, then. You got an INTJ to like the video. Although it may not deserve it, due to the House MD fight I want to have. I definitely see him as INTJ, albeit an unhealthy one. Without going into too much detail, here's how every episode goes: he gets a case, in which every avenue has been exhausted by "normal" doctors, OR, conversely, he gets wind of some "routine" patient on his periphery, and his Ni spidey-sense tingles, subconsciously convincing him that there's much more to this patient, and that they need a serious diagnosis that everyone else is missing. His obsessiveness with solving the puzzle forces him to do so, without rest or let-up, even when commanded to stand down. He has a complete lack of Fe--the person's health, life, or whatever else means nothing to him--those things are just unfortunate components that come with the puzzle. He gathers his minions together, writes all the symptoms on the whiteboard, and has them Ne brainstorm what diagnosis fits them all. He himself doesn't partake in the brainstorming. He simply knocks down all the ideas that aren't good enough to fit. He doesn't have the ability to exhaustively run through the possibilities (at least, not without disproportionate amounts of energy), and he gets actively frustrated when he's knocked down all the minions' ideas and they can't come up with any more. HE can't come up with any more either, and doesn't even really try. He has no regard for authority or titles. He respects competence only. He even goes out of his way throughout the series to deliberately antagonize authority figures who get in his way, regardless of the many poor consequences for him. Until he wins. He can't stand (and refuses) performing tasks which he feels are beneath him, e.g. the routine, the mundane, the "detail work". He has minions for that. He's simply the big-picture thinker. Those, to me, show lack of Si. He always takes action (Te). He's never struck by analysis paralysis, which I think is emblematic of Ne-Ti/Ti-Ne. He has also accumulated a huge amount of knowledge over time, and much of which seems rather random, but it's never knowledge for the sake of knowledge (Ti), but rather knowledge to develop skills, and to apply them to the real world (Te). He's potentially permanently in Se grip, with his addiction to his pain-killers. As the episode goes along, and all seems lost--because the problem hasn't been solved and the patient doesn't have much time left before death--an interesting thing happens: he'll be doing something completely unrelated, usually in the context of conversation with Wilson, telling him why he (Wilson) is wrong about something, when he'll come up with analogy to show why he's wrong. It will be right in the middle of telling that analogy that he'll have the epiphany that saves the patient, because the analogy applies equally to everything that's going on with the patient. That's Ni at work, having taken in all the sensory information, letting it stew in the brain for a bit, then spontaneously having it reveal the answer to him, as if by magic. I think perhaps it's impossible to understand what Ni really looks like if one doesn't have it one's stack. But to me, he's textbook. (Um, thank goodness I didn't go into too much detail, huh?) As an INTJ, this was one of my favorite shows. My ISFJ wife tells me I'm just like him (not in a complimentary way). Please reconsider. Or I will reconsider my thumbs up.
I was thinking to suggest some anime character like *Lelouch* from Code:Geass, *Kiyotaka Ayanokōji* from Classroom of the Elite and (my fav one) *Oreki Houtarou* from Hyouka, but I feel like you haven't watch some of those anime. So, I probably suggest *Yelena* from AoT. If you done watched Steins;Gate, I can suggest Kurisu Makise
You had Moriarty, so please do Holmes/Sherlock (that is, how about a comparison between the two most well-known versions: Rathbone vs Cumberbatch). Also do Buckeroo Banzai (and if you haven't see that film, DO IT)...cus I've seen the actor who played him, Peter Weller, typed as INTJ, but it would be fun to see if his famed character was as well.
I love your argument on Snape with how Si has nothing to do with how he's obsessed with the past, I've always seen him as an ISTJ but this just gives me more reason to consider him being an INTJ
To me, Si is more about one's own reality and due to our reality being so heavily shaped by our past, the Si == past is a superficial trait. I've quite liked the description of the demon function being an undermining function, which, in the the context of Snape as an INTJ would fit well, as it does with many / all INTJs as they self-manifest past traumas throughout their lives as they perceive them manifesting over and over, even if they're not.
@@patrykj547 Snape is an "F" type for sure. All the major decisions in his life were determined by emotional / interpersonal concerns and value judgments, not rational concerns, and all of his major relationships have the character that they have because of the feelings-based dynamics that surround them. I also agree that he's a "P" type rather than a "J" type because a lot of his big moments come from taking spontaneous action in response to some event or other - heading off Quirrel during the troll attack, countering Quirrel's broomstick curse, doing what he does during Book Five, etc. - none of it's planned, he's a man of action in the moment. I'm less sure about his first two letters, but I have a hard time seeing him as anything other than FP. INFP is definitely a strong candidate.
@@patrykj547 Aren't INTJs outcome-focused? (a lot more than Ne types actually?) Don't underestimate INTJs' Fi too! A pretty unhealthy/obsessed INTJ can behave something similar to an organized INFP at times. Also agree that not all INFPs are fluffballs, and a lot can be pretty dark, and at least more complex!
I (INTP) was at a hot dog BBQ with an INTJ friend. A couple of minutes in, I poked at the my intended dog which was a 2" from the coals. The INTJ said, "It's not done yet." I said, "I know, I'm just checking it out." That encapsulates the difference between INTP's and INTJ's.
so with katniss, we never really see her devising plans in the books. when something big happens it is unexpected and fast, like her killing coin instead of snow. katniss really cant stand politicial intrigue and was just forced into that world because of her circumstances. she doesnt consciously plan long term, and instead just reacts to situations with clear cut judgement and action. she also doesnt seem like a judging type, just because her routines are often quick to change and she's good at reacting smartly to those changes, like in the first arena when she has to move often when attacked: that's how she survived, not by formulating plans and backup plans, but by making smart tactical decisions in the moment- i also think that's how she ended up killing coin. and she obviously works good in the physical world: practical plant information, archery, tying knots, singing, etc. i'm not sure she approaches her life the same as an intj would, who would probably put lots of more vision into what they want to achieve and do, when she just sort of hangs out and survives day by day. anyway, thats why i think katniss is istp
and i guess she does make plans in the books: like planning to blow up the career's food... but i think thats more short term planning, and she approaches it with such an open mind and shifts her pov when she realizes theres mines and does what she thinks is best to destroy the food in the moment. I heard that istp plan like katniss-- short day to day loose plans, and we often see katniss do this. she makes a few checkpoints and things she wants to do that day and does them to keep her routine. strategy=intj tactics=istp
She goes from one bad situation to another using Se to get out of a jam. Ni is in there (Ti, Se, Ni, Fe), but she doesn't seem to use it very well. She also seems to make most decisions based on subjective, not objective reasoning.
I've always thought Katniss is an ISTJ, especially in the book. She tends to just be reacting to whatever comes along and following instructions of other people who seem better able to see the big picture. She actually doesn't seem to understand what's going on behind the scenes most of the time.
This was a very good take. Although I still think that Katniss is an ISTP and I kinda expected more INTJ characters, this was a great video. Also, I hope you'll make an INTP one as well. Many people tend to see characters such as Alice from Alice in Wonderland as an INFP, just because she has an "imaginary world" and there are times when she cries. Personally I always believed that she's an INTP, at least in the original book and in the 50's movie. She always analyzes and wants to find what she considers to be the best explanation for everything that's happening in Wonderland. Of coursly, her logic isn't always the most brilliant one, but you have to keep in mind that she's six during the whole book. Also, XNTX children usually tend to get chaotic when it comes to their emotions because their Feeling Function is still undeveloped. Alice gets emotional only when she can't find the rational meaning behind things. Furthermore, when she's interacting with those from Wonderland she's always seeking for some sort of knowledge or wisdom from them, and she doesn’t really want to form any sort of genuine friendship or connection - only on a surface level. This thing particularly has to do with inferior Fe from my perspective.
I agree on your view of Snape's preoccupation about the past. I'm also an INTJ, and while it's true I don't tend to worry about the past that much, there's a few "traumatic" moments that will always haunt me, and those are mostly related to lost opportunities or bad choices that directly affect my present and future.
Great video ! For a possible part 2 here are some ideas : - Hercule Poirot - Gandalf - Mr Darcy - Ivan Karamazov Hope to maybe see them in part 2 :) Would love to see the ENTP next! Thank you
Perhaps, but I've heard people type both of them as INTJ, and I'd like to hear what our friend thinks about it. As for Gandalf, his typing seems to vary between the books and the movies (INFJ for the books and INTJ for the movies). I'm not claiming this is the definitive typing, but I find it interesting. Thank you for your response to my comment, anyway!
@@kat-h-leen I have recently watched LOTR, honestly for the first time all three parts, thinking that he is INTJ until I have noticed. To my opinion, Saruman is typical INTJ but there are a lot of differences that I have noticed in their functions. Not only because 1 is evil and another is good. Ni and Se ok the same, but varying in terms of Fe Ti and Te Fi is noticable.
@@owlsama567 Saruman is actually the INFJ, and Gandalf is the INTJ for sure. The key clue is the description of the characters before they travelled to Middle Earth to fight Sauron. Saruman was eager to travel to Middle Earth to find out as much as possible about the people and problems there, and volunteered to go. Gandalf was very angry that the gods were sending him to Middle Earth, as he preferred to be locked away, isolated with his studies and hobbies. He considered mortals to be beneath him, and that fighting Sauron to save them was a wasted investment. But Gandalf did his duties out of loyalty to his patron goddess. It was only later on that Gandalf came to appreciate the courage, strength and compassion of the people on Middle Earth. That's why he liked Hobbits the most. Because such a seemingly lowly and base creature that he once looked down upon, was capable of the most courageous and incredible acts. It surprised and humbled him so deeply that he even started smoking a pipe in Hobbit fashion. Saruman is an expert manipulator of men, as can be seen with his bewitching of King Theoden. A very INFJ trait if you ask me. Gandalf himself says in the book, that everything in the hearts of Men is known to Saruman. But there is simply something wrong with him. A deranged will to power, which grew over time. Causing Saruman to use this knowledge for his own gain. Also Gandalf was gifted the Ring of Fire. An enchanted ring which causes the bearer to radiate warmth, comfort and goodness, instilling allies with hope and courage. Perhaps to make up for his naturally crusty INTJ demeanour? Frodo calls him grumpy and serious.
I agree with you, Katniss is an INTJ. Katniss extraverts her thinking side with others, which makes her a Te/Fi user. She fails again and again to realize how social codes actually work and is particularly inept when it comes to decrypt social behaviors, to the point that she spends years of her life without realizing Madge Undersee considered her as a friend all along. It’s extremely clear that she filters her interactions via a Te-based way of interpreting reality. The main difference between Ti and Te stands in the location of the logical framework: Ti users develop it internally, Te users externally. Te users, having this “library” of logical facts outside themselves, project its organization on the external environment and are able to modify it without incurring in overthinking and self-questioning dynamics. Whereas Ti is prone to over-complicate reasoning to look for internalized inconsistencies, Te is prone to over-simplify it to look for a quick external conclusion - hence why, outwardly, Te users appear more confident and decisive than Ti users. Te makes up for a pragmatical way of thinking, and Katniss is as pragmatical as they come. I had forgotten to mention that Katniss used her NI in the Quartenary Massacre, being the only one to understand the symbolism of the words Wiress, about the arena being a clock. She also spent all her time planning how she would save Peeta and was meticulous with the other tributes to make her plan work. And when it came to killing Coin, it wasn't completely spontaneous, she even took something to commit suicide if it was necessary to take that measure. Her use of a bow from an early age was for survival reasons, not to connect to the external environment.
Katniss reacts to Rues death. Reacts to the rule change and Peeta dying. She reacts to Coins announcement of the games. She doesn’t have a far reaching plan. That’s Haymitch and Plutarch who are the planners. Perfect example of how she doesn’t have a plan, the speech she gives at district 12. And she has no care for the politics which inevitably sets up her and Gale not seeing eye to eye. Also when picking alliances she goes for the people that don’t annoy her.
Very much appreciate your love towards us, Nathan) Again, you mentioned several times that many characters have common features both for INTJ and ISTJ; isn't IT a good reason to make FINALLY a video of INTJ/ISTJ dichotomy) Like, it literally shouts for itself from your own mouth, and yet it's still absent. I like the point that INTJs firstly have a vision (Ni) and then make a plan to implement that vision into life (Te). That's a very true representation of my approach towards my personal projects. INTJ acting impulsive - is either in love, either in a grave anger, wrath, and can even kill, if there is a proper weapon nearby.
Posting this as a standalone comment, rather than simply a reply to Nathan's pinned comment, because I want to try to muster up some INTJ love for my House MD argument. I definitely see him as INTJ, albeit an unhealthy one. Without going into too much detail, here's how every episode goes: he gets a case, in which every avenue has been exhausted by "normal" doctors, OR, conversely, he gets wind of some "routine" patient on his periphery, and his Ni spidey-sense tingles, subconsciously convincing him that there's much more to this patient, and that they need a serious diagnosis that everyone else is missing. His obsessiveness with solving the puzzle forces him to do so, without rest or let-up, even when commanded to stand down. He has a complete lack of Fe--the person's health, life, or whatever else means nothing to him--those things are just unfortunate components that come with the puzzle. He gathers his minions together, writes all the symptoms on the whiteboard, and has them Ne brainstorm what diagnosis fits them all. He himself doesn't partake in the brainstorming. He simply knocks down all the ideas that aren't good enough to fit. He doesn't have the ability to exhaustively run through the possibilities (at least, not without disproportionate amounts of energy), and he gets actively frustrated when he's knocked down all the minions' ideas and they can't come up with any more. HE can't come up with any more either, and doesn't even really try. He has no regard for authority or titles. He respects competence only. He even goes out of his way throughout the series to deliberately antagonize authority figures who get in his way, regardless of the many poor consequences for him. Until he wins, because he's better, and he's right. He can't stand (and refuses) performing tasks which he feels are beneath him, e.g. the routine, the mundane, the "detail work". He has minions for that. He's simply the big-picture thinker. Those, to me, show lack of Si. He always takes action (Te). He's never struck by analysis paralysis, which I think is emblematic of Ne-Ti/Ti-Ne. He has also accumulated a huge amount of knowledge over time, and much of which seems rather random, but it's never knowledge for the sake of knowledge (Ti), but rather knowledge to develop skills, and to apply them to the real world (Te). He's potentially permanently in Se grip, with his addiction to his pain-killers. As the episode goes along, and all seems lost--because the problem hasn't been solved and the patient doesn't have much time left before death--an interesting thing happens: he'll be doing something completely unrelated, usually in the context of conversation with Wilson, telling him why he (Wilson) is wrong about something, when he'll come up with analogy to show why he's wrong. It will be right in the middle of telling that analogy that he'll have the epiphany that saves the patient, because the analogy applies equally to everything that's going on with the patient. That's Ni at work, having taken in all the sensory information, letting it stew in the brain for a bit, then spontaneously having it reveal the answer to him, as if by magic. I think perhaps it's impossible to understand what Ni really looks like if one doesn't have it one's stack. But to me, he's textbook. (Um, thank goodness I didn't go into too much detail, huh?) As an INTJ, this was one of my favorite shows. My ISFJ wife tells me I'm just like him (not in a complimentary way). Please reconsider. Or I will reconsider my thumbs up.
I think you're falling into some pretty significant confirmation bias. You've only looked at the things House does that confirm your theory. Let's look at some of the stuff House does that INTJs tend NOT to do. 1.) He's constantly in a disheveled state. While INTJs may not look like a photoshoot, they do often look like they are well put together. House does NOT do this. Now, as you stated above, whatever House is, he's not a healthy version of that type. And I can see an unhealthy INTJ getting to this state. Still that's at least a small strike against the idea of House being an INTJ. 2.) He lies. He lies frequently. INTJs would often rather say something they know will be harmful simply because it's true. They dislike lying, even if it's sometimes in their best interest to do it. 3.) He's manipulates people. If there is one thing an INTJ likes less than liars, it's manipulators. INTJs are absolutely loath to manipulate people. If House wants to convince a patient to do something, he tells them what he thinks they want to hear. An INTJ would simply tell them the facts and allow them to come to the same conclusion that was obvious to him from the start (and then be surprised when they don't because people just aren't rational). 4.) He goes to his team when he's out of ideas. In fact, he goes to his team FOR ideas even before he's out of ideas himself. INTJs tend not to do this. If they run out of ideas, they simply think harder. The idea of going to someone else to ask for help just doesn't occur to them. 5.) He often revels in the attention he gets. INTJs want to be the brains behind whoever is in charge. They do not actively look for attention and, in fact, tend to shun it should they get it. House often does the exact opposite of this. Edit: 6.) When something goes wrong and the team looks to him, he often says, "I don't know what to do next." INTJs have a plan. The have a 5 minute plan, a day plan and a muti-decades long plan. If something doesn't go to plan, they have a contingency plan. And then a backup pan for that, should it fail. House seems to be way more reactive than an INTJ would be. An INTJ would have already thought of what would happen and had a plan to deal with it. They're proactive, not reactive.
I agree on INTJ, but he's a pretty messed up dude so he is looping a lot which makes it's really hard to judge. Still I think he's INTJ when in his zone (white board sessions with his minions, intuiting the solution without empirical evidence, then experimenting without permission because it's the right thing to do) and Se when he is not (self medicating, not taking care of his physical or emotional needs).
Dr Wilson as the INFP. Sherlock Holmes INTJ. Dr Watson as the INFP. Hercule Poirot as an INTJ. Captain Hastings as the INFP. I could be wrong of course!
My favorite INTJ fictional character is Grand Admiral Thrawn from star wars. He finds the weaknesses of his opponents based on the art their cultures produce.
🤝 Sometimes it feels like only INTJs or people who deeply care about MBTI understand what an INTJ is, from the cliches and how apparently effective they can be as villains! Tbh Gandalf is also an example of a well done positive INTJ figure, who can still be absolutely ruthless and direct if needed :')
Re: Tommy Shelby is an INTJ. I recently started rewatching season 1, and since the issue is really a matter of if he's an introvert or extrovert, let's look. Episode 1) He goes alone to make a big dramatic scene for a gambling trick. He could have brought more of an audience, but didn't. He's alone for the red powder trick. He says himself that it's his job to be the thinker in the family. He's content with Arthur being credited as the head of the gang since his the older brother. The only groups he's with are either family or old friends. Episode 2) He continues to socialize with family or old friends. When he goes to take opium, he does it at home, alone in his room, not in an opium den with other people. He shoos other people off when he has to kill the horse. After he kills the horse, he doesn't seek out other people, but goes to the closed pub for a drink, He wants to be alone. He's an INTJ. He'd rather be alone than with other people. He'll go out for business but at the end of the day, he prefers his own company. If you want a contrasting ENTJ in a period drama who is running a business and upsetting a town, I'd recommend Anne Lister aka Gentleman Jack. She is always going visiting, going on parties, socializing in town. She's always calling or people or talking about her plans to call on people. She's such a classic ENTJ it alsmot seems like she was written after someone took an MBTI test. Though in fact, the show is written based on the diaries of the real Anne Lister. She even has the classic INFP girlfriend/wife.
Agree, Tommy is an archetypal INTJ imo. I relate to his approach to things in life (aside from the crime, mostly because I am too lazy to amass and oversee a criminal outfit) to the point that it feels like cheering for "one of my own." Especially trying to make everyone's life easier by executing a beautiful and well-thought-out plan that is ruined by their carelessness/short sightedness.
Absolutely fascinating series, please do continue this! I think a great place to check would be personalitydatabase, it doesn't have 100% accuracy or something, nor can you really fully type a character since you only get to see concentrated facets of their life, still, its better than nothing and you can go deep into the themes and philosophies these characters follow. You'll see more Protagonist or Antagonist first, because having an impactful character means they get explored more , thus bringing more out of their personality and the ways they think or behave. I'm an INFP myself, so thought I'd list some "INFP" characters' I've enjoyed watching that appealed to inner INFP in me, if it helps : Peter Parker Aka Spider Man - Lot more going on in his life than he lets own, Idealism, Romantic interests Barry Allen the Flash - Awkward, but also charming Frodo from Lord of rings - empathy Rajesh from big bang theory - confusion and inner goofyness again Tom Hansen from 500 days of summer - Perfect Love , "Expectations vs reality" Theodore from her - Again, this desire for deep companionship Mark scout : severence - being detached from office, busywork, the result oriented society Mike ross : Suits - Being "different" or like an outsider Charlie from perks of being a wallflower : Music Anime : Alphonse elric from Fullmetal alchemist - Inner goodness Kenzo tenma from Anime "Monster" - sadness, melancholy, despair. there's many other examples, but hope this helps! cheers!
Please do more of this style of content. This was a fantastic breakdown with examples of what makes them very much their type. Please, ENTJ next after pt.2 of INTJ!
Interesting analysis! I didn't think about "Silence of the Lambs" being "INTJ vs INTJ", which is exactly what made it entertaining! PS My wife wonders if movies made in the last few years have consistent MBTI character types. Have you noticed if recent Hollywood movies have more piecemeal/fabricated character types that are not necessarily consistent/realistic with respect to MBTI?
The character writing of recent Hollywood movies has been trending down significantly, so I would answer a resounding "yes" to your last question. -- an INTJ
The character of Katniss Everdeen is most clearly depicted in the books, but she has no stomach for or plan for any of these political moves or games. She occasionally calculates her moves in the survival arena, but most of her actions and fighting comes in the moment based on what is happening around her. And she very often finds herself making a move based on her own view of things and then realizing far too late that she has played into a political game she cannot understand. She has no Ne, and therefore cannot imagine all the potential machinations of the upper levels around her. To characterize her as actively playing any political game or scheming in any way is to misunderstand her character's motivations entirely.
Horatio Hornblower!! I am re-reading the books and LOVING IT because I feel the writer totally gets me. The character is lonely and introverted, but brilliant, calculating, methodical, a risk taker, passionate about being competent, terrified of failure, socially awkward, and full of bitter contempt for those beneath him who are fools or unimaginative or too sentimental or incompetent. I could go on and on but I think you guys get the picture.
House is difficult. I believe he uses Ti and thought ISTP worked, but I could see ENTP. He comes off alot like Sherlock, and I tend to type Sherlock as ISTP because of that call it as he sees it attitude, but their need for exciting and interesting cases makes me think Ne. Those are the only two characters where I genuinely consider every TP type, but I know for sure he is not an INTJ lol.
He IS Sherlock. Well, not quite. But the creators of the show wanted to do Sherlock Holmes in a medical setting. House/Holmes, Wilson/Watson, Vicodin/Cocaine, etc etc.
Katniss didnt have a plan to get rid of Snow .or kill Coin , it was an impulsive act after realising she was responsible for her sister's death and it's made clear at several points in the story that she doesnt have the patience or interest for the political game and struggle to play her role in it ( and doesnt want to play it ) , she plays it because the circonstances and people around her force her to and she often relies on other people to guide her , it's also mentaly exausthing for her . She also gets blindsided several times by people and their hidden motives .
I agree. You can see it more in the books, but Katniss spent most of the story reacting to what was in front of her and following instructions from other people who saw the big picture, which she generally didn't see. She definitely has Fe blindness, though. I think she's an ISTJ.
She's an INTJ, her thinking about her future with Gale, about District 12, about her sister and mother says too much Also, ISTJ are more aware to social events and prone to following rules INTJ has Ni , Ni is prone to rebellious act like Katniss SE as her weakest or clumsy CF proves as well that her not caring about social events and trends means she's an INTJ
The problem with this logic is that she is purposefully left out of the loop by a lot of people around her (because her actions are literally televised.) So, of course the 17 year old coal miner's child isn't going to know anything about the inner workings of the capitol. Also, interest in politics or the machinations of it doesn't mean INTJ. Conversely, a lack of interest in it doesn't either. I can see ISTJ, though. She freaks out when she finds out that she has to participate in the hunger games again, only for it to take way longer than she should to realize that Peeta is likely to participate too. Plus, she has to see things before she believes them, but being slow on the uptake could come from malnourishment, so that's a factor to consider. (Not to say that ISTJs are slow on the uptake. 😂)
I really love your arguments about Gus. I think the same thing about Snape can be applied to him as well, how it's his trauma that causes him to focus on his past a lot, but you did a great job highlighting his other Si quicks. I'd love to hear your other Breaking Bad universe takes, since other characters also seem to be highly debated. (*ahem ahem* Lalo)
I think that Silco of the amazing show Arcane would be an interesting case to analyze. The first impression is that of a cliche INTJ Criminal Mastermind, but there's so much more under the surface and he's quite a conflicted and troubled character... His last words have become infamous and they really drive home what a character he was... SPOILER: His adoptive daughter murders him due to a misunderstanding. When she realized her mistake, he mustered his last strength and said: Don't cry. Don't change. You're perfect. I'd like to further point out that he definitely values strength, but at the same time isn't gifted much by raw strength. He despises his enemy whom he deems as weak and yet he copies a lot of their mannerisms (upper-class style). Lastly, he loves plans and order, but at the same point he's an agent of chaos and corruption and the one girl he adopted encapsulates this chaos (or more precisely causing chaos and thriving in it). You might even argue that he knew that she would one day be his downfall and yet, he embraced his fate...
I see how people consider Katniss to be an INTJ, but from my perspective she’s very obviously an ISTP. Katniss definitely has Ni, but it clearly serves her very differently than it would serve an INTJ. Rather than scheming and planning like an INTJ, Katniss is reactive and tactical. She’s very much always in the moment and looking at what she’s going to do one to two steps ahead of her. When she does have a long term goal, it comes in the form of an Ni vision from which she is able to lock into that newfound sense of mission/purpose, but she is still able to adapt and react to changes quite easily. In the case of deciding to kill Coin instead of Snow, that was simply her Ni serving to clarify and redirect her vision, and she subsequently locked into that new mission/purpose with her Ti. Katniss, as an ISTP, represents fighting to survive without losing your humanity, while Peeta represents fighting to hold onto your humanity without dying, and The Hunger Games is a story that asks the reader to contemplate which of the two is of greater value.
I would actually make a case for Gus Fring being an ISFJ. He has this social "smooth" way of handling people and tends to prefer it when he isn't forced to be ruthless. And he seems to care more about things being handled the correct way (Ti) instead of the more rough but immediately efficient way (Te).
Great video! I have a few suggestions for more possible INTJs. Eren Yeager from Attack on Titan, although you don't really see this in him until the second half of Season 4, when he becomes an adult. Marlo Stanfield from The Wire, Edmond Dantes from Count of Monte Cristo (2002), Ray Donovan.
I completely agree that the RDJ Sherlock films were a great adaptation. I particularly liked the second one, not only because of all the badass action scenes like the train shootout or the factory escape scene, but the fact that Jared Harris' portrayal of Moriarty was outstanding even if the character was not particularly deep. They did try to add some "human" characteristics to him such as the fact he keeps a journal, likes to feed pigeons, and loves the music of Franz Schubert, but overall these just kinda play out as tendencies that go along with his evil workings. He is one of those villains that almost feel like an unstoppable force of nature until he shows the slightest crack which becomes his downfall. Still very underrated films, though.
I hope you'll watch Promising Young Woman. She is also typed as INTJ and the movie is very fun to watch. Although she won't magically appear on this list after you watch it, I still recommend the movie to you.
Interesting and valid analysis as always. (Agh, this will be the grandma ISFJ cliche, but, I notice some loss of weight...looks fine with this hairstyle and shirt but I hope you are eating properly and be healthy...)
This is not only fun and entertaining, but also very informative. This way, we can understand that although people have the same type, none of them would be exactly the same. This is also very useful for the people who are into writing and need guidance for character building (as we understand that you would do this with other types) And as for suggestions, I see that you wrote Saruman in the pinned comment. I thought Gandalf is the INTJ one, but I'm interested in your argument. And for other INTJs that came to mind (though I'm not sure you know some of them) are: 1. Red John from The Mentalist series 2. Mildred Ratched from Ratched series 2020 (this one is very debateable) 3. Albert Wesker from The Resident Evil series 4. Kazuya Mishima from Tekken series 5. Scar from The Lion King 1994 (is he or is he not an INTJ? Show me your perspective) 6. Andy Dufresne from The Shawshank Redemption 1994 7. Jay Gatsby from The Great Gatsby 2013 (Note that these are merely suggestions. I do not, in any circumstances, demand you to do them. The desicion is in your hands, and you already know that) And thank you for choosing us INTJs as the first one for this series, I agree that THAT IS love, we really appreciate it. Because though we don't usually admit it, we love validation.
Love the concept. Please do Lelouch from code Geass. He’s the only protagonist intj I’ve actually enjoyed. Then Mr Darcy from pride and prejudice, the quintessential intj romance story. And Revan from Star Wars, although you’d have to watch the big lore video for him he’s a masterpiece of intj values and vision.
I think you're right about House, I think people just get sucked in by the "death stare". I keep seeing Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal being typed ENFJ online, but I think people are falling for the "human suit". I'm not sure what type he is, but it definitely involves Se. Whether that's third slot Se, or the fetishism of the fourth slot, I'm not sure.
Based off my research and watching your explanations I find myself trying to type all characters in movies now. Would you ever consider doing a reaction on movies or series and then typing them in the reaction video, would be interesting so see how they get typed "on the spot" if if that makes sense?
Rodion Raskolnikov from Crime and Punishment Ivan Karamazov from The Brothers Karamazov Edmond Dantes from The Count of Monte Cristo (except for the young one at the start of the book) Hans Gruber from Die Hard Mr. Darcy from Pride and Prejudice Gandalf from The Lord of the Rings Michael Corleone from Godfather (esp. the first movie; he's more ISTP in the 2nd) Thanos from MCU Andy Dufresne from The Shawshank Redempion (possibly an ISTJ)
Please please do one with Rust Cohle from True detective, even if it's not one of these videos. The toss up seems to be between INTJ and INTP, would love to get your insight. Some other characters: Oppenheimer, Kat Stratford, Michael Corleone, Benoit Blanc
I don’t know if I agree with your assessment of Katniss because it seems she only plans things as they come up in the moment. It’s everyone else around her who does the planning and sometimes she even expresses disinterest in all the scheming, at least in the beginning. For the most part she seems only interested in getting back to her family and doing what’s best for them and also anyone she meets along the way who she grows to care about. It’s only when some of the plans that other people have come up with that she agreed to participate in come to fruition that she starts to really understand the role she can play in fighting against the Capitol. Many of the things she does on her own I think are instinctual or even accidental from flashes of anger and fear or just because she genuinely cares about someone. It’s just that these actions lead people to believe that she’s their savior but that wasn’t actually her intention at all. She didn’t set out to start a revolution. She’s an accidental hero. I don’t know what type she is but I think she’s got a good amount of Se. I’m guessing she’s an ISXP.
On the Walter White .. the Si - Ni swing would be likely whether Si or Ni dom as the initial cancer diagnosis that we're introduced to him with would likely cause such flip-flopping, and the consequences of those early decisions/actions perpetuate dangerous living where he's clearly outside of his comfort-zone forcing drastic use of unusual function combinations. I'm intrigued what the argument's gonna be for House being ENTP. He's one I absolutely see as INTJ in way too many ways and very few [high] Ne / ENTP indicators.
For me, one of the best, most realistic depictions of an INTJ female character is Caroline from the UK series Last Tango in Halifax. Would love to hear your thoughts on this character in a future video!
please do this for other types. I want to see one for my fellow INFPs. So i think. Gaara from Naruto, Naruto from Naruto possibly, he could also be an ENFP though but i think he's an INFP. Even sharing in the weakness INFPS would have. Beth Green, Morgan Jones, and a few others from the walking dead,
Hi there Nathan~ I would like to know your thoughts about Vasily Arkhipov. He is a Russian Navy high-ranked officer who prevented a possible nuclear bombardment during the WW2. Some say he's INTJ but I wanna know your thoughts. Thanks! ❤
On the theme of Star Trek. The character of Seven of Nine in Star Trek Voyager is eidely accepted to be an INTJ. Spock, depicted by Leonard Nimoy in the original series and the 80s / 90s movies is also seen by many as an INTJ.
Please type Fitzwilliam Darcy from Pride and Prejudice, Mathew Crawley from Downton Abbey, and Sherlock Holmes from the short stories of Sir Arthur Canon Doyle.
The reason I have finally accepted Katniss Everdeen as an INTJ is that her intuition leads her to know to use the ploy of the berries early on, to force her will on her enemies, and, at the end, to assassinate the next dictator before she does anything overtly that would convince a normal person. In both instances, she does not even try to explain herself; she knows that normal people would not understand. Peeta was more clever in the normal sense, but he was naive about the berries ploy; the one person who knew what Katniss was really doing was her nemesis: Snow, an evil mastermind INTJ. Further, Katniss was good at acquiring skills, and abysmal at matters of the heart.
I never really understood why Katniss was being typed as INTJ, ISTP makes much more sense. Especially when factoring in her pattern of behavior in the books as well as how she performs under pressure. She has a better grasp of her environment so SE is much easier to access and her rational is much more indicative of TI than TE. Her sense of logic is consistent with that of a subjective internal framework then that of a more extroverted objective one. And she thinks on her feet instead of relying on heavy methodical planning (Ni being in the third slot). That's not to say healthy INTJs aren't quick thinkers. It's just thinking on our feet is only really executed when we've planned a specific contingency in case of said event.
I had a number of arguments with an INFP friend who, before we learned the truth of Snape, swore he was a villain. INTJ me said, Nope, he's just not likeable, but he's a good man, and I knew that back when Lupin appeared in the books and turned into a werewolf in the woods. Snape, without thinking, immediately shielded the three kids who were his biggest pains-in-the-ass, placing himself between them and Lupin, with his arms outstretched to keep the kids behind him. As this was a reflex that happened in that instant, it showed his core nature. Snape was a good man.
He bullied harry for no reason, humiliated hermione publicly, showed bias for slytherin, insulted harry's mother..he was not a good man he was an adult bullying kids..
Imo, fictional characters are often way better to type rather than real people because they're often way more archetypical. Some villains being straight modelled after the INTJ type. Because real people are very complex you are much more likely to find lots of things outside of the archetypes. Writing an ultra realistic character with about as much complexity as a real person is almost undoable, one will have to generalise.
You don't need to fully flesh out a character but to make him more interesting, you need to subvert expectations. Silco (Arcane), would be a nice example of such an INTJ criminal mastermind. The way we expect him to do one thing and he does something different shows us that we still haven't fully understood him and his values...
@@edi9892 Well of course, you need to write complex characters because they are more interesting. But the complexity still wouldn't even come close to a real person.
8:23 yea before u said it (despite having watched that series like 15 years ago just partially) i was also like "huh isnt he like entp"? 😁spot on i guess
Dr Strange Paul Atreides Andy Dufresne I whittled down my suggestions to take out ones already suggested multiple times. I'm not sure all of these are INTJ, but would be interested to hear your thoughts
Dexter Morgan? Jack Ryan (different types in different version)? Jessica Atreides, President Snow?, Stewie Griffin, Wednesday Addams, White Rose, Elliot Alderson, William Murdoch
Love Katniss. But I was surprised to hear that the choice for her is between INTJ and ISTP. I though she was ISFP. I am gonna rewatch the movies just to be sure.
I was surprised to see thomas shelby on the list. But as an intj i feel like he is the fictional character i saw myself the most in. I believe this is due to the character being written by and played by intjs. Although no doubt he is an ENTJ he just acts on everything thought Id have in his story. Amazingly written and performed by Intjs 🖤
