RANKING Martial Arts Styles For MMA! Fighting Style Tier List 

The my kick up your arse is awesome. I have posted some light , improvised workout , with a bitbof martial arts inside .take a look don't mind my stomach I am 45

Already am and I am so glad I found you, you are absolutely awesome! :) Greetings from a german boxer.

Taekwoon do has a light foot work, it's a life saver on the ring .

No I don’t mind at all

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I remember when that match in the early days of UFC.

@@dr.floridamanphd That was so fucking badass. Too bad the Sumo lost

Blame Tank Abbott

are you sure? I thought this was to decrease the effeciency of Dragon Ball tournament enthusiasts, since you win in those by throwing someone outside the ring :P

dude there was an early ufc fight where someone tried to do that and the rule was made immediately after, I forgot who was in the match but its been tried

Facts 💯

Restomping the groing is the strongest kick in martial arts

I practice it everyday for Jon Jones

Restomp the groin

Ameri-Do-Te is so powerful that Seth couldn't include it without running out of space for the other styles, even if he brought back E tier.

Sanshou, not Sandu.

S - Complete martial art A - Excellent MMA bases B - MMA-oriented styles C - Good combat sports D - Bad combat sports F - Fake Martial Arts

Judo should be in B and switch with BJJ. Sure its not as well versed on the ground as BJJ but at least it does ground and stand up. BJJ weakness is not doing anything on the feet and being too comfortable on the ground.

@@fred4800 this is in the context of MMA. BJJ is much more useful than Judo in this context. You are guaranteed to have mastered another martial art for striking etc.

Yall seem to forget about gracie jiu jitsu

in my opinion muy thai sweeps arent taught properly

Add Dom Cruz, Khabib( or any fighter under Abdulminap)

I think he puts it in C bcs sport judo is more focused on the throws and takedowns, while the way MMA fights like UFC is set up gives an edge to striking and grappling. But I gotta admit, for street fights, Judo throws are fucking lethal.

@@iblamesamuel477 because It dosen't have follow up move ?

Muay Thai and Judo are my chosen martial arts. I greatly love both!

Stop using logic you heretic

You have a point. *gunshots* oh wait, you _had_ one.

@@liammullen2144 BURN THE WITCH!!!

Most wing Chun is watered down bullshit. Unless your learning from Duncan leungs inner circle disciples your not learning applicable technique

Also tell that to the Chinese army or every swat team in Virginia who train Wing Chun

Hahaha what’s funny is before I read the comment entirely I was going to comment “she must mean WB” 😂😂

Its not fair that one guy gets the athletic genetics and the looks. Save some for the rest of us, WB.

LOL, why she gotta do my boy like that?

@@SenseiSeth mate I think you're sexy

@@james4727 agreed, Seth looks handsome

As long as the bjj has takedowns and takedown defence then yes.

Muay thai lacks speed

@Goodie usually you cant win if you cant set up any kicks

@Goodie maybe u dont know the fact that kick is 5x stronger than a punch

@Goodie i didn't say that wrestling is not important, i am pointing out that you need those kicks to set up any moves

si esta infravalorado la verdad

That's why I don't understand why he ranked Muay Thai so low. Isn't that a huge part of Muay Thai?

I think Judo is great and the ability to dictate where a fight takes place is a massive advantage but the grip game being such a large part of Judo will keep it from becoming a major style in MMA.

@@TrendyTryhard the thing is the stance in muay Thai. The Thai stance is a major part of the game and the way they check kicks, throw teeps and such is very specific to Muay Thai. That's why I would agree with seth, that kickboxing translates better to MMA, because you don't have to change your stance that much and you don't have to CHANGE significant things in your style, you have to learn new things, which is always easier.

@@maxwellsdemon10 good points, thank you

"with nothing to really do" through their twenties hahaha

@@bombastikderteutone6858 Hah, I just meant that compared to other college sports it doesn't offer the same financial opportunities.

And then some professor usually just hands them a bjj black belt so they can claim them

Exactly, wrestling is a super popular high-school sport in the US, most of the other good ones don't even exist as a sport in high-school. So of-course a lot of very talented athletes growing up in the US, would choose wrestling and then end up being good at MMA also, but that doesn't mean wrestling is particularly good for MMA... in Europe/Asia wrestling isn't as big of a deal and equally almost no-one has a wrestling background...

@@namelikeanyother885 I took boxing and judo in hs, we had them as after school clubs. There was a lot of competition from other schools too. Not sure why they never got endorsed for official school sports even though the tennis and golf teams struggled to attract players.

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Depends on the karate and tkd. Kudo is karate but they fight closer to mma. ITF used to fight more like kickboxing when I did it in the 90s. WT is right where it belongs.

@@scottstout6836 Kudo is a fusion btw Kyokushin and Judo

@@scottstout6836 i mean if were playing fusions here than taekwondo WTF isn't bad Just add punching to the face, knee kicks and taking away the point system(in short just add muay thai) and you fix the whole martial art.

I love the fact that he almost threw up from saying that.

wrestling teaches ground game a lot of the other combat sports dont (which is fine), and actively reset to standing position if a fight goes to the ground or even clinches for too long MMA doesnt do that so obviously having/learning ground game is important but okay make it a weird take about respect/principals???

@@shenles I mean that is also true but you can't say that teaching/ principals don't have an effect on how people fight. If you have Person A who was taught from a young age to respect your opponent and only do enough to win the match compared to Person B who was taught to never give up or stop until the ref pulls you off are gonna fight very different

Agreed. Very unsung

And they all have punisher logos on their Ford f-150s

lol this is good

tha'ts a sick burn!! XD

se nota que nunca lo practicastes

@@David-ui1fb Crossfit, Aikido, or Krav maga?

Bro....... i love Muay Thai, but ITF TKD especially is just as badass, in North korea they kick rocks with the Turning Kicks.

TKD is pretty good as an addition to other striking martial arts, other than that, it sucks.

I went from TKD to Muay Thai. Always will love TKD, but am very happy I switched. Feel in better shape and just all around a better athlete, plus more dangerous but not really why I do it

@@dinner8204 I transitioned from TKD to Muay Thai and my power and very weird kicks have given me a good advantage when sparring. Although I do absolutely panic when I start boxing lmao

@@thatwolfensteinguy8954 it’s hard to trust anything from **North** Korea

They wanted you to inhale when you hit? wtf that's so stupid . Absolute mcdojo.

@@bloodsports94could’ve been not a strike but some sort of other movement idk

@@Wagadoogeythe basic of most martial arts is never inhale when you’re getting hit. Wth are they teaching

@@Balliiinn yeah I misread or maybe responded to the wrong comment i don’t even know what I was trying to say

Lol their training is literally off historical documents so I agree. Not in a bad way tho, because hema is super cool

As a HEMA-nerd I approve of this comment!

Yup

Kung Fu has to be high up there, there are hundreds of styles

Name 3 good ones

Yeah I keep hearing how the MMA rules are biased towards grappling yet most UFC events barely have a take down anymore and most main cards almost pure striking.

@@JJ-zr6fu Yeah, that's because of the modern rule set. Back in the day (UFC 1 - 9) it used to be grapplers winning all the time. It's a little bit weird calling it "bias" though, basically it was more of a real fight back then. So the issue is that a real fight is biased towards grapplers. The 5 min round rule is especially crappy and artificial. I can be on someone's back at the end of 5 min about to choke them, and we end up back on the feet. It takes less than a second to knock someone out, but I need a couple minutes to set up a submission, usually.

@@Shadowoftheoldones I completely agree also the energy spent setting up the submission and then to have the bell is a waste of energy as well

@@Shadowoftheoldones I want MMA to end rounds kinda like football ends quarters. As long as the "play" is in the middle of something happening, it isn't artificially stopped because the clock said so. They could even borrow the OT in the round from the next round if they are concerned about time. I just find this to be more realistic than resetting the fighters in the position they ended the previous round in. Also I don't think getting rid of rounds is great either because the small rest + the coaches advice makes for more entertainment anyway (plus it gives time for commercials. Money makes all the difference.)

The rules are still made for grappling you just won't get a fight if you lay on someone for 5 rounds to wear them out. In a real 1v1 fight to the death yes laying on someone for 30 mins probably the way to go but not to fun to watch.

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either way any type of tkd is pretty useless

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@@takashidiromano281 I made it in like 4th grade but am I wrong? Any grappler like me would beat any pure tkd guy

i expected this to be the top comment

This is so wholesome

Daido Juku and Gongkwon Yusul is two relativly unknown martial arts, which basically is Karate MMA and Taekwondo MMA, look em up. I've been blessed to train both of these for extended time. I also trained normal MMA for almost 10 years after the prior dojos closed down (it was in the same building and the Sensei moved to another country). I think Sensei Seth is completely wrong with listing Judo as a C. Read the whole comment to figure out the truth! But I think Judo and Muay Thai is basically all thats needed. Judo has throws AND submissions, all submissions that they have in BJJ! And Muay Thai is Muay Thai. But here is the most optimal way to become a MMA master: Learn karate OR (or both) Taekwondo head kicks + the snap maegeri. They have much faster head kicks than Muay Thai. Learn Muay Thai clinch, elbows and knees. Learn Judo because Judo has basically most of Greco Roman Wrestling but also all Jujutsu submissions. Look at Ronda Rousey, she was a Judo practitioner but a master of submissions! Learn boxing. Learn these specific branches of techniques and you'll become a master of MMA.

Thats what I always being saying. You cant believe how many krav guy said to me an average krav guy would win against an average mma guy

@@vipr1142 im just happy that tkd isnt completely useless as a practitioner of the art.

@@vipr1142 You are one hundred percent correct . How often will the average person be faced with fighting a professional ? Get good at what you said and then you will be hard to beat . Also never underestimate anyone in a fight , it could be for your life .

@@sheilagordon3115 Exactly. Never underestimate someone, thats often where legends fall in the sport of MMA. When they get so good, they underestimate their opponent and then they lose

I fucking hate the Judo slander. It pisses me off so bad. About 90% of BJJ practitioner can't throw for shit. That's a super necessary skill to learn.

This list is about if you train specifically, and only in that martial art, how well you would do in an MMA fight with MMA rules. Judo is awesome, and I would love to learn someday, but I think Seth's reasoning stands.

@@papasfavorites Well look at Ryan Hall, he got knocked tf out for rolling on the ground like a dummy. Judo not only teaches you various amounts of ways to takedown an opponent, but how to transition from throw, to ground, to submission. I don't see how it's lower than BJJ. Most BJJ gyms don't even practice standing at all. If anything, they should be the same tier. Khabib didn't do BJJ, he did Judo and Sambo growing up. That's why he can transition so well from takedown-ground control-submission.

@@marconopolo5723 I completely understand your point. On the same token, the average judo dojo probably doesn't practice that many submissions. We're comparing how the average martial artist would fare in MMA under MMA rules. That's the point. If you take an average Judo practitioner (not a competitor or black belt) who doesn't understand striking or practices very little/no submissions at their stage of training, and put them in the octagon, I would still have to side with Seth on that ranking. If you're speaking about having a base for MMA, where other arts can be introduced and added to mix the rulesets, then I would say judo should be ranked a LOT higher. We have to align on the context of the question before we can make decisions. Using just one martial art in MMA is stupid. That's why it's called mixed martial arts. It's about how well a single art practitioner could fare in MMA.

@@papasfavorites Sorry but I just can't agree with that because you can say the same thing for a BJJ guy. They're not going to know how to take anyone down, they don't even practice that, how will the fight end up on the ground then? They SHOULD be in the same tier. what I completely disagree with is putting Judo underneath BJJ. Honestly, people are submitted by arm bar, triangle, or rear naked choke most of the time. So to the argument "BJJ practitioners will be able to submit their opponents better" Those are the first three submissions they teach you in Judo. Judo sessions, at least in my experience, are 2 hrs long. 1 hr stand up, and 1 hr ground + stand up. I went to a BJJ practice once and it was only an hr long, and it honestly sucked. 15 min warm up, 30 min of 1 shitty stand up technique taught, and one submission taught, then 5 min of ground and 5 min cool down. because I went to a commercialized gym. Pretty sure there are good gyms out there but they should be the same tier.

I agree for WTF bro but I practice ITF and it’s practical based, check it out bro may be surprised 💯🥋

@@Joey-ee9vd honestly I really liked the grappling aspect to what I was learning,we spent as much time doing takedowns and submissions as we did striking,I honestly feel like I couldn't learn anymore from the new tkd

Yeah, I did traditional TKD for a few years and although we hardly did any sparring there was much emphasis put on power and form. Having transitioned to kickboxing I find that the hours of drilling perfect form for power and speed are something lacking in kickboxing. Many things like balance, leg dexterity and footwork never got to the same level as when Iwas doing TKD.

el taekwondo es bueno por si solo

@@David-ui1fb no lo es

Akido is butt

Aikido is so strong that it's illegal to use it in a cage

Well thanks for admitting your level of understanding

Aikido the only real combat sport

I like how exactly half of the current commenters understand irony. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

Pettis

Zabit is Sanda right?

@@boogeyman1016 yes master of Sanda but also has a black belt in TKD.

Edson and Valentina come from a muay thai background, they pick up TKD later. Also Benson is not among the fun fighter to watch at all ^^'

I think the fact that Muay Thai leg/head/body kicks have become the standard for almost every MMA fighter. Bas may have originally started in TKD but his fighting style is far more like a Muay Thai/Dutch kickboxer. Valentina is a Muay Thai champion, same with Edson, and again, their fighting styles reflect more of a Muay Thai school of thought (especially in the case of Edson), rather than TKD.

I agree, whenever people think of tkd, they think of sport/wtf tkd which is so much weaker

I watched a TKD vs Muay Thai fight between experienced fighters and the MT guy dismantled the TKD guy with brutality and leg kicks. I may be wrong but I can't see TKD higher than karate nor on par with MT.

@@yomommashaus which tkd was?

@@yomommashaus what style was the tkd guy using? if he wasnt using ITF or any varient with hands/elbows, i wouldnt be surprised he lost

@@yomommashaus Man, I guess you're talking about the modern taekwondo but did you have Idea how dangerous the old/traditional taekwondo is?

Not real

@@amazonfactoryslave7315 I'm afraid it is and is practiced by the Korean military.

The relentless physical strength….

It's weird to try to describe to someone. I think my second day on the wrestling team, guy tells me, "don't fish" (don't give up even if they've got the superior position or so far ahead it seems pointless). Always considered myself a practical person, you know, if there's no way to win, save something for the next match...no, that's not what we do here. Then there's the fact that you get cross-faced a fair bit. Seeing stars? Just keep on going. Nosebleed? Here's some cotton for the nostril; keep on going. I got both nostrils cauterized because I had so many nosebleeds. It's all about manipulating another guy who's resisting, and that's about it. I think it was either Bruce Lee or some Wing Chun guy in a book (with illustrations!) who's talking about using elbow strikes or this or that technique from close and I'm just thinking, really? You've got no POWER in some of the stuff they're talking about, because you're off-balance and no way to generate it if you face anyone who knows how to do takedowns and reversals. When a friend and co-worker showed me some Muay Thai, I'm thinking, that's the first time I've seen anything that would actually effectively use some close-in striking. I did TKD in college, after wrestling in HS. I got attacked late at night doing a cart run while working for Safeway. He gave me a rabbit-punch in the ribs from super-close range...took the guy down, banged his head against the concrete, he got his arms down, modified half-nelson and I can't choke the guy out effectively because I don't know how, but kind of an eye-opener in some ways. Never did TKD again. Fun kicks, fun point sparring, pointless flashy katas and other things about looks over substance... I wasn't a great wrestler, like some of the keyboard warriors who went all-state or were captain of their team or whatever. Just knew some basics and I wrested the unlimited weight class so my style's sloppier than some because I was mostly against guys shorter and heavier who were hard to move, and it was a LONG time ago...but that mindset helps you see through some BS. Maybe some other martial arts like BJJ have similar mentality, but a lot of others, even those that spar, don't seem to. TKD was a lot of fun, but if you're sparring for points, it's a way different thing.

@@michaelnurge1652 totally agree. I did wrestling in highschool and it’s given me such an “embrace the suck” mentality that no other combat sport seems to have. I saw an interview with a few Navy SEALs a while ago who were explaining how their past experiences helped them with passing BUDS. The runner said his running helped him with the huge amount of running they do. The swimmer said he was able to excel with the water portion of the tests. The football player said he was used to getting yelled at and working in teams. They all said BUDS was the hardest thing they had ever done in their lives. Except the ex-college wrestler. He said BUDS was just an extended version of wrestling practice. Same level of general difficulty, otherwise.

Same reason why muay thai is popular and effective - muay thai fighters are conditioned to be aware that strikes can come from anywhere and aren't scared of the opponent closing distance down because they've been clinched and elbowed in the nogging enough times.

@@timinator1178 lol that's great. I believe it

BJJ isn't as effective as it used to be because people know how to defend against it now. You need to know enough to defend yourself but most fights are not won using mainly Jiu Jitsu

I agree bjj takes so long to learn but then what are the alternatives to learn ground game good and fast

@@Mayanksharma-ss8xj Catch Wrestling

​@@deangullberry5148 Realistic alternatives there is none lol, catch is as rare as it gets, for example in my whole country there are 3 gyms total.

@@cahallo5964 sorry. don't know what to tell you

Yeah. I think judo should be at B

Izzy Adesanya is a great example of this, he's super technical but at the same time when he's firing on all cylinders it's like watching a video game character

Daido Juku and Gongkwon Yusul is two relativly unknown martial arts, which basically is Karate MMA and Taekwondo MMA, look em up. I've been blessed to train both of these for extended time. I also trained normal MMA for almost 10 years after the prior dojos closed down (it was in the same building and the Sensei moved to another country). I think you are completely wrong with listing Judo as a C. Read the whole comment to figure out the truth! But I think Judo and Muay Thai is basically all thats needed. Judo has throws AND submissions, all submissions that they have in BJJ! And Muay Thai is Muay Thai. But here is the most optimal way to become a MMA master: Learn karate OR (or both) Taekwondo head kicks + the snap maegeri. They have much faster head kicks than Muay Thai. Learn Muay Thai clinch, elbows and knees. Learn Judo because Judo has basically most of Greco Roman Wrestling but also all Jujutsu submissions. Look at Ronda Rousey, she was a Judo practitioner but a master of submissions! Learn boxing. Learn these specific branches of techniques and you'll become a master of MMA.

My favorite technique is Do Mawashi Kaiten Geri! Such a beautiful AND powerful technique. Probably the strongest kick you can throw if done correctly.

@@vipr1142 bro ur spamming that comment everywere, either your VERY salty or you sell a book or somthing for the first two marital arts

I think u should ratherly start Muay Thai for balance. TKD isn't really made for hard kicks. And the condition for the balance and taking kicks isn't that good. Also, Muay Thai also trains you to prevent sweeps and trips unlike TKD.

Agreed

Wing Chun in F. I agree with everything else

nah yo pondria al taekwondo y al muay thai mas arriba

I think if you were a _pure_ boxer, several of the things suggest as strengths -- because they are indeed strengths in boxing if you're good at them, clearly -- might be weaknesses or at least traps in MMA. The head movement thing can be very dangerous in steering you right into mid-level kicks. The stance and pressing could really open you up to leg takedowns. Obviously that's not to say that boxing isn't an excellent base for MMA once they've cross-trained it enough to apply it effectively.

Perfect

Judo is NOT a C tier. It has basically all techniques Jiujutsu has PLUS all wrestling techniques. It should be a *S* martial arts

@@vipr1142 having a technique is very DIFFERENT from practicing it. Judo focuses so much on stand up, and a lot of its throws depend on a gi to get good grip/clinch, and its hard to transition from striking distance to grappling because it doesn’t allow tackles. The ground game time is so limited, most players don’t practice complex ground game. Judo may not be significantly below bjj, but definitely noticeably below bjj in that list

@@Minsang1st Judo has everything that jiujutsu and BJJ has on the ground. Just that competitive Judo is limited, that its mostly standing up. But they do teach you armbars, triangle chokes and everything so You should read into stuff before talking.

I think bjj should have been S tier or at least a B tier + because of the rules of mma like he said they are Biased on grappling

@@vipr1142 if that was true then bjj wouldn’t have never been invented as a martial art in the first place the fact is that bjj is more Focused on the ground and judo is more focused on throwing the person to the ground and while they are both similar both still are their own style and because of bjj being focused on the ground more than Judo is because like you said you practice almost the same like bjj but like you said it is limited unlike bjj is so if thats the case then no wonder why bjj is at least a step ahead of judo

My oldman (ITF) would agree with you, but I did WTF till I got 1st dan, and it trains you to box with your feet. If you mix it up with other martial arts like boxing and wrestling, it's a big advantage 👍

Muay Thai should be 1 step below I think?

That’s awesome!

Yes; I attend a place that does a sort of combination of Karate, kickboxing, and grappling/wrestling. They call this "Krav." Lots of free rolling, lots of sparring. I have no idea how you would practice an eye-gouge.

@@RichardRohlin Where I train, we've only practiced eye gouges two or three times, and each of those times we practiced on these dummy heads. I don't know what the proper name for those is, but they're the same ones Icy Mike had in a video he did a while ago.

Funny follow-up story to this: I got a chance to chat with the founder of the school about his decision (which apparently only predated me by about a month) to merge his karate and Krav programs; he said he did it because he noticed Krav folks tended to be kinda lazy and undisciplined and karate fills that (and other gaps) in their approach.

I do Krav Maga aswell and I have a brown belt it's a form of mma I agree with you on the strikes leg kicks knees elbows palm strikes hammer fists and boxing

you can start at any age and be succesful, my first season starts in 6 weeks im 15 and a sophmore. wish me luck

@@Zach-dd2jp ... you still have a chance at being great starting in high school but you will have to out train and outwork your opposition. Not true that you can start at any age tho, considering After High School it's a Wrap unless you move on to Collegiate Wrestling... good luck

MMA is the best base for MMA , but not standard MMA which is Bjj , Boxing , Muay Thai , Wrestling . Just training in only MMA , while taking from any style as you should .

No you don't need to start young. GSP started wrestling much later in life when he actually needed it for MMA.

@@Ramin2340 ... GSP is a Phenom who worked heavily with the Canadian Olympic team...

I’m a wing chun practitioner, and I honestly agree with you. Wing chun is from an era where the people you would fight were either untrained or another traditional style. It’s useful in mma, but you won’t do well with it as your base.

@@ryanparsons3057 even though i'm responding in an offensive way id rather everyone trained in something rather than nothing. However here comes the stinger, wrestlers would dominate a Wing Chun or Akiedo practitioner in hand fighting in any practical sense

@@ryanparsons3057 I have a couple years experience in wing chun, but primarily train muay Thai. There are definitely some gems in there that can translate well. The emphasis on things like 'sticky hand' can be super useful when parrying, hand trapping, framing off your opponent. Often having that active lead hand and extended guard can come in handy.

I've trained in wingchun also. And luckily, one of my boxing coaches also trained wingchun/jkd. And he knew how to blend them together to make it work. As well as my willingness to apply it to my sparring. I like wingchun a lot, but I'm glad I didn't come up thinking it was enough. Lol.

@@lake0417 I spar with several wrestlers and a few sambists weekly. They don’t dominate. They are very good yes, but they don’t dominate.

Agreed, they are all great picks for MMA.

Don't forget Yu Sool

What is kudo?

@@jestersage8700 Japanese martial art, basically kyokushin+judo+boxing

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Yeah kind of shocked it wasn't S tier

Man, kudo would be in the same level as sanda! Its realy good!

Machida front kick :o

Those arts are almost useless by itself.

@@BoxingForTheStreets not always

How would u compare the effectiveness of karate vs muay thai

@@yusufhussain5663 In regards to what? Self defense, sport, recreational?

@@MasterMcFly112 self defense

Underrated comment. Most Sambists don't ever practice Combat Sambo and hence never use strikes. Sport Sambo is basically Judo with a little more wrestling.

He said that

So many guys in the ufc that fighters from Eastern Europe and asia that ufc fans label as pure wrestlers have in fact combat/sport sambo background.

Thanks!

Haven’t seen much of it, what I did see wasn’t my favorite

Im training both as well as judo at the moment and The big and vital difference is that Bjj and judo is basically all practical (sparring) while Japanese Jiu Jitsu is theory which is also the same with Aikido and Aiki-Jitsu. Say maybe your not able to sparr for what ever reason this style of training would be perfect, Think of it as Karates Katas or the "Bunkai" which are basically the same thing as Jiu Jitsu or very similar or form my perspective. It is useful I believe for self defence but I think you need to mix in some other style to compliment it. Yes you could I guess spar it but there is eye pokes groin strikes headbutts soccer kicks even bites... after all it was made for war, kill or be killed. I personally think Aikido or pre war Aikido can also be effective but to really unlock its worth it needs to be pressure tested, which Bjj, Judo do and do well. But of course there's no striking which is there downfall, pun intended 😉 Edit : Also there is a difference between Self defence and sport fighting which I think some people don't recognise, that is all. :)

@@SenseiSeth up here in canada the jujutsu schools have federations with tournaments. format when i was in it were either all grappling, kickboxing with throws, or kickboxing with throws and 30 seconds ground fight. leg kicks allowed, small gloves. you must wear a gi. before ufc the groundfighting and grappling tournies were not as widespread as the kickboxing with throws format, although BJJ/GJJ had already made inroads in the jjj community. I think Ernesto Boggs had something similar going in the US though I should clarify - never saw a lot of flying head scissors. Scissor legs to the body, sometimes.

Japanese Jujutsu would probably be a D tier on my list under Taekwondo which is C tier. I've trained in JJJ.. BJJ gives more useful skill for MMA.

No sparring, doesn't work. That's why Judo (which used to be called Kano Jujutsu) trumphed every single other jujutsu styles in a competition and became standard grappling martial art for japanese police. It's not about style effectiveness since it taught stuffs that you also find in BJJ, Judo, Catch Wrestling.....but it's more about training method

I agree 100%! Its kinda weird to think that a modern style of karate like kudo is more "traditional" than some so called traditional styles

This is a pretty good take but it's also fair to say that a black belt in taekwondo throwing an angle kick for real could break bone just as easily as a black belt in karate.

Agree, start TKD from 3 years old to 6 then from there u can change to Muay Thai, Kick Boxing or Sand and if you wanna become more advance in MMA then you can study wrestling, BJJ

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Because they don't want to be thrown. I've gone to a BJJ practice and I had my Judo Gi. They saw that and they refused to do stand up with me. They had other guys at the gym that used to be judokas and they all told me they refuse to do stand up with them because it hurts like hell when they throw them. They were better than me at ground work but they wouldn't have stood a chance standing.

@@marconopolo5723 I was mainly going to get my daughter some self-defense, but without standing, it's not practical. That and she saw someone change positions and dude dragged his sweaty nuts across the other guy's face and she said, "Nope!"

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@@marconopolo5723 I do judo as well and yes most bjj guys don’t like to engage and will usually pull guard if they stand up BUT…bjj starts on the ground because that’s where a fight will typically end up so why not start there? Now knee wrestling is stupid. I start standing unless I’m tired and will do takedown or pass

GSP is a Kyokushin black belt that crossed train in the other arts, but he's stated many times his base is karate.

@@kevionrogers2605 Kyokushin has no punches to the face and hardly any takedowns. That why he added boxing and wrestling

@@joelmatus9442 I have a 2nd degree black belt in Kyokushin from Daniel Tiger Schulmann, which is World Oyama lineage. We trained for low kick rules also known as K1 rules.

GSPs blast double leg is one of the most effective moves in UFC history!!!

@@kevionrogers2605 many mma fighters come from karate or tkd backgrounds, but their main striking isnt that.

I feel like my school is somewhere in the middle. We do a lot of punch/kick Vs block drills and Kata, but we also have sparring, sweeps/grabs etc.

All schools? I have practiced at 3 different BJJ schools (including Renzo's) and standing grappling gets taught in at least half of the classes...

It is definitely a problem in some schools though. Usually because the instructor has been a butt scooter their whole BJJ career.

@@moos2009 let me rephrase, most of the schools. Only one really had any focus on stand up game....

Been seeing that a lot more in the last decade it’s become more sporty and ass Scooting

I think you need to attend a Gracie (Renzo, Relson, Rickson, Rorian, Royce, etc.) JJ academy. They do tons of stand up.